Superbelt

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...c&e=2&ncid=721
Whoa! What can I really say to supplement that? Terrorists WANT Bush in the WH as long as they can get him because he is useful to them as a lightning rod to attract more converts to their cause.
And basically, because Democrats and Kerry won't put up with their shit and take steps to defuse islamo-facism.

Terrorists = fire
Bush = gasoline
Kerry = flame retardent blanket

Mojo_PeiPei

How do you figure Kerry will take steps to defuse Islamo-facism, and how do you think that will be more effective then Bush?

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Superbelt

lots of reasons, and that is a thread to itself.

Mojo_PeiPei

Realistically, do you think it could be a bluff and some reverse psychology? If they put their eggs in the basket with Bush, someone who has brought the fight to them. If they are "on board" (if you can even call it that) with Bush perhaps they figure it will turn voters away from him. Bush is a man of conviction, for right or wrong he sticks to what he does (excuses are different). Kerry being your typical political pollster, a fare-weather politician if you will, would get used and abused by these guys.

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Superbelt

No, I don't think so. In the grand scheme of thing, this "endorsement" means nothing. Not many americans are going to see it, or let it be part of their decision if they do read it.

I think Kerry will do just what they are afraid of. Remove the reason that terrorism drives are going so well by pulling the US out of a commanding role in Iraq.
I think Al Qaeda partied like it was 1699 the day we invaded Iraq. They didn't like that countrys leadership anyway and it gave them an issue to use.
Kerry, whether you think it is a good attribute or bad, wouldn't have gone into Iraq without the UN as a central part of the show. And that would defuse alot of the potential hate that could be generated against America.

Mojo_PeiPei

Very insightful, I don't even disagree really. All I have to say is that just because some fucks in Al Qeada were getting down to boogie because of our actions, doesn't mean we shouldn't have acted, nor should it be an issue in a future.

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Superbelt

Heh, ok, I will concede it's possible it is reverse psychology. But you must also concede it is equally as possible being reverse-reverse psychology. Such as in the glass-switching scene from The Princess Bride:

Overall, this article gives me the chuckles.

Superbelt

I would also like to add that I think they want bush in office because they believe he can precipitate World War III in the middle east. The Islamic Extremists DO want this. They believe WWIII, will unite the arab world under one cause. And they believe the arab world will be able to defeat america. They think this will be the ultimate jihad and that God will be on their side, so of course, they can't lose.
And Bush invading Iraq, and threatening Iran, Syria and Lebanon just make that scenario look more and more real to them.
I think they love this guy being in Office. They want their World War.

Mojo_PeiPei

I'd be more then happy to give it to them.

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Superbelt

I'm sure we could turn the whole place into a glass crater, and quite easily.

But I think it would cost us a couple more 9/11 level events in the US in the process as part of their war effort.
A war against the entire arab world wouldn't stay contained in the middle east. Not like the last two. This one will come to our shores.

Mojo_PeiPei

Place would probably turn into an Anti-Muslim police state. I say we just turn Israel loose on them now.

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Paq

ummm...

nuclear war=bad

just letting you know...I don't know what WWIII will be fought with, but WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones....

israel loose in the mideast is not a good thing.

and frankly, i can completely understand why al qaeda wants bush in power: He gives them a reason to recruit and a focal point of actions.

ever stop to think that compromise isn't weakness, just levelheaded thinking?

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Boo

Anyone that believes that our foreign policy is all GW Bush needs to realize that it takes more than one person to run our country. Checks and balances people.

Does anyone really believe that this is an article from a true terrorist? Smells like propaganda to me. It must be true, I read it on the internet.

I disagree. Is the Iranian Aircraft carrier steaming to the Gulf of Mexico? Maybe the Saudi KC135 can refuel their F-15s once or twice on the way to Florida, but I think we would intercept. While they might get a few hits here and there. We would totally envelope them with more smart bombs and guided ordinance that they would never get an offensive force off their own soil. The subs would slip in first, then the stealths, then out and out plummage. What scares me is after we backed out of Iraq too soon, would we go overboard just to be sure the job was done? Just how ugly do the terrorists want it?

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Lebell

Unlike the Spanish, I don't vote according to what terrorists want.

Thanks, but no thanks.

I'll make up my own mind.

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Pacifier

Bah! This statement is just ridiculous.
Spain voted against a lying goverment, a goverment that told them the ETA was resposible although they already knew it wasn't true. A goverment that was planning a putsch to stay in power, a goverment that went into a war noone in spain ever wanted.
it is the same as with france and the "axis of weasels" as soon as some nation practices democracy and express their own opinion, america starts the namecalling.

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Lebell

BS.

The race was neck and neck and *just* before the election this attack?


And you can direct that elsewhere, especially since I didn't call any country or it's citizens names.

So I raise your "Bah!" with a "Feh!"

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lordjeebus

I think his point is that, had the Spanish government reacted to the attack differently (ie. not immediately blaming ETA and ruling out Al-Qaeda without evidence), the voters may have voted differently. That is, their reaction may not have been to the attack, but to the way the government responded. (I think it's a bit of both -- terrorists and a poor government reaction)

Imagine if on September 11th Bush immediately blamed the attacks on some domestic militia, even after Al-Qaeda took responsibility. I think everyone would be pretty incredulous and/or suspicious.

Pacifier

The attacks showed what this spainish goverment was about, it brought back the lies it told during the iraq war.
the attacks didn't chanced the election, the actions of the conservative goverment did.

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Superbelt

Sorry, I guess I didn't make it clear.
I don't mean military contingents of the arab nations would be coming to america to wage war.
I mean the war would come to America in the form of individuals smuggling themselves in to set off bombs, poison water supplies, release biological agents in stadiums and attempts to smuggle nuclear warheads into a large city... etc.

filtherton

Another proud supporter of john kerry.

dy156

Brer' Rabbit- "Please, Please don't send me to the briar patch!"

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Terrorists- "Please Please don't elect John Kerry!"

shakran

And who would fall for the briar patch today? Of COURSE the terrorists want Bush in office. For over 2 years he's been making a lot of noise about eradicating them, and has never come close. And when he DOES do something, he goes after the wrong guys. Shoot, they're much safer under Bush than under someone else who would see the terrorists attacking us, and then go after the terrorists rather than going after a country he holds a grudge against.

Mojo_PeiPei

I'm seriously not trying to talk down to anyone, but you and others like you in your nickelodeon diplomacy don't get it. These ass clowns don't want compromise and they don't want peace, all they want is death and destruction. They want the fall of western civilization, and to see the ultimate removal of the evil zionists and the great white satan.

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pan6467

Not the wicked "Feh!"

To be honest I don't know what to think of this article. Since 9/11 we have been good about terrorists and were before that. But to some degree we are giving up more civil rights and we do live in fear whether we admit it or not.

The only true way to end this in my opinion is to leave the Arab world alone. To tell Isreal we'll support them only in defense and that they must give equal rights to all citizens. Tell the Arabs that as long as they leave Isreal alone we will not in any way interfere with thier country.

Then we work on alternative fuels and get away from oil.

I know it's unrealistic and the rantings of a madman........... but why? Isreal claims to be innocent of all this hatred, that the Arabs are doing it all.

The Arabs say the same about Isreal.

I say if Isreal minds thier business gives equal rights to all including the Palastinians the Arabs have nothing to yell about.

If the Arabs leave Isreal alone and punish their own if someone transgresses. Again, noone has anything to yell about.

WE ALL HAVE TO SHARE THIS WORLD IT IS NOT THE DOMAIN OF JUST ONE COUNTRY, ONE RELIGION, ONE RACE OR ONE SEX. IT IS IN FACT, BIG ENOUGH TO SUPPORT EVERYONE EXCEPT THOSE THAT WISH TO DESTROY OR CONQUER HER.

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filtherton

You left out the fact that they want bush to be the next president of the united states of america. There are many people who would probably put a two term bush on the same list as "death and destruction" and "fall of western civilization".

Islamofascists (heh.) like bush because he is coming close to paving the way for iraq to become the islamist state that obl always dreamed it could be. On top of that, he's doing it in the name of the war where we're supposed to be hunting for obl and his ilk.

iccky

I'm of the opinion that if we let the terrorists influence our decision in the presidential race, then they have already won.

But seriously. The terorists want to start WWIII. They can't do this by themselves. The only way to do it is to provoke us to do something stupid. Then people get angry at our stupid action that kills civilians, embarasses islam, etc and support the terrorists. Seeing the terrorist's strength, we are more likley to do something stupid, causeing a ton of tdamage and further strengthing the terrorists. The result... WWIII.

The terrorists probablly think Bush is more likley to do something stupid. So they probably want Bush to win. But they might be wrong. So it doesn't really matter.

matthew330

But seriously, the terrorists can't start WWIII, they don't have the capability. I think we all agree there is a significant population of people who are whack job islamic extremists that are making pretty damn good use of the only thing they have available to them. Scare the crap out of a few weak minded countries with a few bombings, and create tension amongst the countries of the relatively civilized world.

matthew330

so know you know OBL's dreams filtherton...congratulations, pretty impressive.

filtherton

And you know his capabilities. Maybe the intelligence industry should tap us in the war on terror.

Zeld2.0

Yeah gotta love how everyone here is suddenly an 'expert' on terrorism, terrorists, and what they are thinking.

Gee, why need a CIA when they can just ask us!

Boo

You did, but what would really happen if these people were out in the streets doing this sort of thing? Martial law? National Guard monitoring movement. State militia and armed citizens shooting anyone that even looks like a terrorist? Stadiums would be full of terrorist suspects. Yes, we would lose some people, but we would suffer minimally compared to the homelands of the terrorists.

Nothing that a few thousand terrorists could do comes close to what 1 each 1959 B-52 could do to a country the size of Iraq. Cruise missiles with tactical nukes.

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filtherton

It wouldn't be much of a discussion if everyone was like, "Well, i guess i don't really know enough to comment". Even though it would be the truth.

Paq

and lemme guess, you'll be glad to give them all the death and destruction they want...

Support bush, eternal war for eternal peace. There is even an instruction manual on it by Orwell.

sorry, i really have nothing relevant to say other than that. Everything else is just obscenities.
I just honestly cannot understand how someone can see the answer to this as "let's blow them up" Sure, i'd love to "blow up" the real terrorists, but bush and co aren't even attempting that...

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losthellhound

Hmmmm another mention of 1984. As a side note, I'd love to see how many times media has referenced 1984 in relation to the war on terror(ism) (I refuse to call it the war on terror because terror isnt what the US is fighting.. They cause it, they are a part of it, but you can't fight an emotion, you can only try to stop the causes of the emotion)

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Paq

I was thinking about that as well. I only read 1984 in 1997 or 98 or so, and was blown away by it. I look at today, 2004, and see far too many similarities as i am going to assume most of the "elite media (bill oreilly term)" sees.

Kinda scary, but i read ta least one or two instances of 1984 mentionings a day...minimum. it'll be on everything from cnn to faux news to msnbc to the daily show to just bill maher to just random spots or else i'll overhear it.

so yeah, i'm with ya, i would hate to know how many times it's mentioned in a day here...

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hammer4all

Don't cave into terrorists' demands. Vote out Bush!

Mojo_PeiPei

Its unrealistic to address what everyone refers to as the "root of terrorism". Please could someone inform how they plan to challenge a set of ideals passed on by a backwards repressive religion, fostered in a culture that hasn't changed since the dawn of time. America is not now, nor in the past, done/doing ourselves any favors in how we deal with these people. We are not the problem, it just doesn't help that we got in bed with the STD-ridden Mid East, because now we have Ganasphyilaids.

So I'll have to say this again, maybe it will finally register with some of you people out there. We are dealing with Sociopaths. These people are not rational human beings, and there is no dealing with them, there is no talking to them. All they know is the way of the sword, so I will oblige them and let them die by it.

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Zeld2.0

Yeah because you know every terrorist out there right?

Look at those Americans who have felt wronged enough to fight back/bomb - not all are sociopaths, many are misguided.

Please stop trying to be experts on others - and i question if your idea of killign them all makes you one also? Obviously you show little compassion for them... oh wait, because suddenly we're automatically qualified experts we are better.

Just take a step back and look for a bit

Mojo_PeiPei

Anyone who knowingly and willing kills civilian non-combantants is a sociopath. And yes I do know every terrorist out there, they are scum and they are not worthy of compassion.

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tecoyah

OK.............interesting take on human psycology.

Question, christians killing abortion doctors, terrorists?
Shall we now kill all christians?

Drug dealers, killing other drug dealers, terrorists?
Shall we now kill all drug dealers?

Governments, killing thousands of civilians in wartime, terrorists?
Shall we overthrow the leaders?

Isreal, assasinating palestinian leaders, terrorists?
Tactical nuke should clear that right up.

Terrorism is relative to the observer, and a very difficult line must be drawn. While I agree that some fraction of terrorist groups are completely insane , and cannot be apeased. Simply destroying anything WE consider "evil" is only going to make some borderline factions, fanatic.
Much of the violence, we have created ourselves as the richest, most powerful, and one of the most corrupt nations on earth. We need to create the path to freedom from terrorism, with a strong hand, and a fair mind.

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