Sparhawk

Suuuure it is...

*wink* *wink*

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madp

You're right, my bad: Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are flaming racists. I stand corrected.

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Ustwo

madp - You know that the democrats hide from their racist past by claiming all the 'bad' democrats became Republicans. Ironicly its the Republican party which has had the highest ranking blacks in the country in its ranks, unlike the Democrats.

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Endymon32

I wouldnt go that far, they both extort money from whites AND blacks.

Man/Amazing

It wasnt a funny joke, ppl will forget about this very soon so Hillary has nothin to worry about.

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Strange Famous

"Jokes are supposed to be funny"

If Hilary Clinton finds racial stereotypes funny (and this was not even a funny joke if you ignored the racist element) I would suggest she is utterly unfit to hold any public office where she is supposed to represent people of all races and ethnicity's.

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jumpingbeans

What a dingbat........you have to be aware of your surroundings........these are our leaders..Yippeee

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Sparhawk

The irony is putting blacks in high ranking positions with one hand, and disenfranchising thousands of them with the other. And if democrats hide from their racist past, then republicans have turned their backs on Lincoln's noble legacy.

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madp

Hawk, honestly. . .how the hell have blacks been disenfranchised by the thousands?!!! Did Bush rescind the right to vote? Did he kick them off of their private property? Did he remove them from their jobs? Honestly, I want to know when and how this horrible crime was committed. I'll start a movement to impeach Bush. . . just give me one factual example of how he has disenfranchised Americans of color.

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madp

In all honesty, I believe there are still racists of <i>all</i> ethnicities remaining in <i>both</i> parties. But, they have all become very adept at hiding it because their racism is subordinated by their quest for power. Neither party's hands are completely clean or completely dirty.

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Strange Famous

Black Americans cannot be racist

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madp

I categorically reject that statement.

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Strange Famous

Racism is about power, and the afro american does not have the power to be a racist. Blacks can be prejudice, as easily as white', but they cannot be racist, at least in America or Europe.

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madp

I categorically reject your definition of "racism." It is a politicised definition concocted by racists who believe their racism is justified.

<i>Institutionalized</i> racism is related to power. Racism as a stand-alone concept is not.

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Dilbert1234567

i found it funny. it was an aside and was not ment to be serius, its not the worst thing ever said and she should not get flack from it.

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Sparhawk

There's several thousand articles about this happening in Florida during the 2000 election - the sad thing is no one probably would have noticed if Florida hadn't been so close.

Florida's flawed "voter-cleansing" program
Secretary of State Katherine Harris hired a firm to vet the rolls for felons, but that may have wrongly kept thousands, particularly blacks, from casting ballots.

When you bring up Bush you're probably thinking George, but this was his little brother, Jeb at the helm of this fiasco.

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timalkin

And I guess it is the fault of white people that so many blacks are felons.

Sparhawk

You sound a lot less ignorant when you actually read the article and respond to what's in it, ie citizens who have never committed any crimes are purged from the voter rolls because they share the same name as a convicted felon.

While we're on the subject though, Florida is one of fourteen states that disallows ex-felons from ever voting again. Interesting thing though, is that Florida has the most of any state, with roughly 400,000 ex-cons who don't have the right to vote, out of an estimated 1.3 million nationwide.

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timalkin

So it's the fault of white people that many black people have the same names?



I don't understand why black people are mentioned at all. I would assume that many white people also faced the same problem.

Sparhawk

No, it's the fault of the firm hired by Florida's Secretary of State, Katherine Harris. Here's the link again, this time read it:

http://archive.salon.com/politics/fe...04/voter_file/

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Strange Famous

The election was a fix, and I think everyone knows this by now - Al Gore won the election. The ballots were cooked and a fake result sent out by Bush's brother, and the Supreme Court legally endorsed what they knew to be the robbery of the American people's democratic right. America is no longer a democratic state, and cannot be called one until a president is installed who is elected by the people.

I dont know how the subject got to this though, I thought we were discussing Hilary Clinton's racism?

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madp

All due respect, Hawk, the article you cite is written by Gregory Palast, a known and self-avowed liberal muckraker. It would be akin to me citing Sean Hannity to prove my point.

That being the case, Palast uses alot of innuendo, but never gets beyond the conclusion that:

<i>" the large number of errors uncovered in individual counties suggests that thousands of eligible voters may have been turned away at the polls. </i>

Key phrase: <i>"may have been"</i>

Even in the liberal Washington Post Op-Ed pages, they claim that 2,000 ex-felons and mistakenly identified law abiding-citizens were stricken from the voter rolls, yet there is no confirmation of how many actually tried to vote (voter turnout, obviously, is frequently less than 35% in certain communities).

Also, the article points out that the purge accurately found known felons who had illegally voted in previous Florida elections (was this a "disenfranchisement" of law-abiders?), but fails to state a number (perhaps too big of a number to meet the purposes of the Post's liberal agenda? )

<i>"The list did catch many felons who had voted illegally in previous elections. One was Jeffrey Key of Tampa, who served more than three years on a 1989 armed robbery charge and resumed voting in 1992 without applying to have his rights restored. In 2000, he was turned away from the polls.</i>

This, in a state where <i>"thirty-one percent of the state's black men are barred from voting because of prior felonies", </i> and in a state where <i>"9 out of every 10 African American voters"</i> vote Democratic, one can only conclude that non-Democrat voters have been screwed over by illegal voting by African-American felons for years.

The sword cuts both ways.

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