Favorite Bush Adminstration Lies*
 

Just a place to vent....and I suppose discuss, the misdirection our leaders feed us. My favorite, still...."Iraqs WMD program"

This just seems like trolling waiting to happen.
I'll let it go for now but if the usual personal attacks start it will be shut down.

Considering that this assertion has been repeated by the highest leadership in BOTH major parties for at least 5 years, and right up to the Iraq invasion, do you think it is more likely that it was an intelligence failure or mistake rather than a "lie"? Do we hold the Dems and Republicans equally culpable for proliferating erroneous intelligence?

The fact that Bush calls himself "President" is a bit of a whopper.

Not a Bush lies but we shouldn't restrict.

France, Germany, and Russia were interested in the Iraqi's best intrest and not their oil/weapons contracts.

It is America's fault that we are poor and opressed.

The US is soley responsible for arming Saddam.

The US did the majority of the arming of Saddam.

Saddam was in complete complainance with the UN for the last 12 years.

A majority of the Iraqis wanted Saddam to stay in power and now that he is in power they want him put back into power.

There is a good start.

France is an "ally."

The UN is a fair and representative body.

Hillary Clinton cares about our troops.

The Bush tax cut was a tax cut for the rich, and it did not help the middle class.

Why because he won the American election legally and constitutionally? Or the WMD's that we declared, then known to be missing, that never got declared. Or you have the Kay document having material proof that Saddam and his WMD were in material breach of 1441. Plus Saddam has never proven otherwise that he didn't have the weapons which was his responsibility.

Bush lies, hmmmm.....

How bout "Combat is over" in so many words.

MAjor combat is over, Or do you still see warships firing rockets?

"Mission Accomplished"

Al Gore won the election.

That is one of my favorite lies too. Thanks for bringing it up.

It is not a lie, insofar as, Al Gore won more electoral votes, legally, and the Supreme Court ordered that the result, which they knew was false and incorrect, stand in Florida. Gore won Florida legally, but it was given to Bush by a crooked kangeroo court.

Sorry, but you are mistaken. The recount continued in Florida even after the election was decided, and it was determined that Bush won Florida, and thus the electoral votes.

What you are referring to is the "popular vote," which Gore did win.

And since when is the US Supreme Court a "crooked kangeroo court"????

LoL You slay me.

Gore won more popular votes, but as anyone can tell you, the electoral votes are what give you the state.
The votes were close, and after numerous recounts, that had BUsh winning in EVERY ONE, the supreme court said "enough counts, lets move on?"

Again you show your ignorance on this, and every topic, and your profound biased.

Gore had more votes in Florida. This is a clear, undisputable, fact.

Literacy is a good thing.

Please find me the final poll numbers from a reputable news source to back this up.

I voted for gore and I wanted gore to win. I think the electoral college is an old archaic institution that needs to be gotten rid of but that doesn't change the fact that Bush won the electoral vote. Your argument that Bush won Florida without any evidance is very weak. You would be better off arguing that Gore should have won since he had the popular vote.

Would it make you happy if I said "indisputable"?

Source, please.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/fe...flor-f05.shtml

Two newly published studies of the ballots cast in the US presidential election confirm that Democrat Al Gore was the choice of more Florida voters than Republican George W. Bush, who was installed as president after an unprecedented and anti-democratic intervention by the US Supreme Court.

One study was conducted by the Washington Post, the other by Tribune Co., which owns the Chicago Tribune, the Orlando Sentinel, and the Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel. The Post endorsed Gore editorially in the November election, while the Tribune endorsed Bush.

The Post reviewed computerized records of 2.7 million votes in eight of Florida's largest counties to examine the pattern of the so-called overvotes, those ballots on which computer scanners or other vote-counting machines detected votes for more than one presidential candidate and discarded the ballots as invalid. The newspaper did not recount individual ballots, but relied on reports from county officials based on machine tabulation of the invalid ballots.

The analysis found that of the more than 60,000 ballots in the eight counties showing overvotes—the bulk of the statewide total—Gore's name was marked on 46,000, while Bush was marked on only 17,000. This includes several thousand ballots in which both Gore and Bush were marked.

The 3-1 Democratic to Republican ratio among the overvotes was confirmed in the analysis of other votes cast by those voters further down the ballot. Three quarters of those who improperly cast a presidential overvote marked their ballots correctly for US senator. Of these, 70 percent voted for Democrat Bill Nelson, only 24 percent for Republican Bill McCollum, while 6 percent voted for third-party candidates.

The nearly 30,000-vote margin for Gore among the overvotes dwarfs the 537 votes which was Bush's official margin of victory in Florida. On the basis of that minuscule and highly dubious number, the Republican-controlled state government, headed by his brother, Governor Jeb Bush, awarded him the state's 25 electoral votes and a four-vote margin in the Electoral College nationally.

The eight counties examined by the Post included Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, Broward (Fort Lauderdale), Pinellas (St. Petersburg), Hillsborough (Tampa), Marion (Ocala), Highlands and Pasco. Four of these counties went for Gore and four for Bush. The pattern of more overvotes for Gore prevailed in all the counties, however, regardless of who won the county overall.

The notorious “butterfly ballot” in Palm Beach County accounted for 8,000 of the Gore overvotes, most of them double votes for Gore and far-right Reform Party candidate Patrick Buchanan, who was listed across from Gore on the ballot, with his punch-hole close to the names of Gore and Lieberman. Gore-Buchanan voters in Palm Beach County voted 10-1 Democratic in the US Senate race.

In the other seven counties, the largest group of overvotes were for Gore and the candidate who followed immediately after him on the ballot, Libertarian Harry Browne. Such a combination is incomprehensible as a protest vote, especially one supposedly chosen by 6,800 voters. It more likely reflects confusion among voters who thought they had to cast votes for president and vice-president.

Confirming the notion that the overvotes were largely intended for Gore is the fact that most of the third-party candidates on the ballot for president received more votes paired with Gore as overvotes than they did in their own right. In the eight counties, Socialist Workers Party candidate James Harris received a total of 300 votes, but his name was punched 12,600 times on ballots with Gore, Bush or another presidential candidate—42 inadvertent votes for each intentional vote.

The Republican head of the Florida Division of Elections, Clay Roberts, dismissed the Post analysis with an argument of stupefying cynicism, claiming that overvotes were intentional political choices. “People who are engaged in politics can't understand why people would overvote,” he said. “But there are valid reasons for undervotes and overvotes. For some voters, that undervote or overvote is their decision.”

The Post also found more than 15,000 voters in the eight counties who cast no recorded votes for any office or referendum. This suggests widespread difficulty with voting equipment, or major errors in the computerized count, or both, since it is impossible to believe that so many people turned out at the polls, many of them waiting hours in line, only to cast a blank ballot.

The Tribune Co. study examined ballots in 15 smaller counties—not including any of the eight in the Post study—that used paper ballots that were marked in pencil and then read by optical scanners.

While much public attention has been given to the punch card ballots that proved so defective in major urban counties, the rate of invalid votes was actually higher in these 15 counties, ten of which are predominately white and rural areas in north Florida. The reason is that these counties lacked the financial resources to have an optical reader in each precinct.

In the 26 counties that did have scanners available in each precinct, voters were instructed to put the ballot in the scanner themselves. In the event of an improper vote, the scanner rejects the ballot and the voter corrects the mistake and resubmits it. In the poorer counties, the ballots from each precinct are delivered to a central counting location. Voters who mark their ballots improperly have no chance to correct an error, since the mistakes are not detected until the ballots are fed into the scanner at the county seat. Their votes are simply discarded.

Counties with optical scanners in each precinct had a vote error rate of less than 1 percent. By comparison, punch-card counties had an error rate of 3.9 percent, and counties with optical scanners only in a central location had an error rate of 5.7 percent. In Gadsden County, the only black majority county in Florida, which used optical scanners at a central location, the error rate was 12.4 percent, and in some precincts as many as one vote in four was ruled invalid.

The poorest and least educated voters were obviously those most likely to make a mistake in casting their ballots. These voted overwhelmingly for the Democratic Party. As a result, the Tribune Co.'s recount of the 15,596 invalid ballots showed a gain for Gore of 366 votes, even though Bush carried 14 of the 15 counties.

A key factor in overvoting errors was the design of the ballot, almost as confusing as Palm Beach's butterfly ballot. In 13 of the 15 counties, the candidates for president were divided into two pages. Eight were listed on the first page and two, Monica Moorehead of the Workers World Party and Howard Phillips of the Constitutional Party, on the second.

Some 4,252 voters cast ballots for Gore or Bush on the first page, and then for Moorehead or Phillips on the second page. If those votes had been counted for Gore and Bush, Gore would have gained 564 votes, more than Bush's statewide margin.

It is a curious fact that the designer of the two-page ballot, Hart InterCivic, is a consulting firm based in Austin, Texas, headquarters of the Bush presidential campaign. The company said it followed a format sent out by the Florida secretary of state, Katherine Harris, Florida co-chairman of the Bush campaign and a member of the cabinet of Governor Jeb Bush.

There were other anomalies. Officials in Lake County, who are Republican loyalists, ruled that a presidential ballot with two marks on it—one by the name, the other a write-in for the same candidate—was invalid, although state law allows them to be counted. The result was that 628 legal votes were discarded, votes which went disproportionately to Gore. Including these votes would have cut Bush's lead by 122 votes. Gore would have gained another 72 votes from similar double votes discarded in several smaller counties.

Lake County also printed the name of Joe Lieberman in small type directly above the word Libertarian in the party label on the line below. As a result, nearly 300 voters in Lake County cast ballots for Gore and Libertarian Harry Browne, which were ruled invalid.

The Post and Tribune studies have gone virtually unmentioned in the America media, except for the newspapers that commissioned them. Not a single prominent Democratic Party politician has taken note of their findings.

Speaking on a television interview program January 28, House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt repeated what has become the standard Democratic refrain. He said that in his opinion, Gore had won the most votes nationally and the most votes in Florida. But, he added, his opinion no longer mattered, and he accepted the legitimacy of Bush as president, following the Supreme Court decision of last December 12.

Such comments, and the ongoing silence over the evidence trickling in from Florida, demonstrates how far the Democratic Party is from any principled defense of democratic rights. Prostrate before the right wing, this big business party is incapable of defending its own immediate electoral interests, let alone the social and political interests of working

Lebel, has stange Famous ever given any proof?

I haven't read the article yet but the first rule of valid sources is never count a website that ends in .org as a valid website. Why? Because they have agendas, and agendas cause bias.

Umm we asked for CREDIBLE sources...

Can you back it up without refering to a socialist webpage?

HAHAHAHA!

You get your news from the WORLD SOCIALIST WEBSITE?????


They didn't even bother to link to the "articles" so readers can research the issue on their own.


Next.

That article sure has a lot of speculation and assumptions. And then it has more speculation and assumptions based on previous assumptions and speculation.

Also, the logic is simply incorrect. Bush won the majority of correctly marked ballots, which are all that can be fairly counted. Any ballot which has more than one vote is automatically discounted and thrown away -- as it should be. You cannot suggest that Gore won, simply because incorrectly marked ballots happened to have votes for him more often.

This brings up another interesting point. There was a 3:1 ratio of incorrectly marked ballots for Gore than Bush. Does this mean that those Democrats were just too stupid to understand how to fill out a simple ballot, or maybe the ballot itself was racist? :rolleyes:

The people of Florida wanted Gore, that is clear. The votes, when impartially counted, showed that they wanted Gore. However, they were counted in the first instance by a corrupt Florida state (ran by GWB's brother) who had already decided to throw the state to Bush.

When the impartial forces came in to the count the votes, the Supreme Court stopped them before they could prove Gore won. All of these are clear and obvious facts.

Bush won the election by cheating the people of Florida - this was done by his brother's corruption, and the criminal actions of the Supreme Court, which acted deliberately to deby the people of Florida their democratic right, because they wanted to put their man in power.

And again do you have any proof to back that up?

The article I already posted explains several aspects of the fraud.

The credibility of your article is questionable at best. You can't believe everything you read. Especially when it comes from someone with an agenda.

To give an example, what are you going to trust more a consumer report on GM vehicles, or a review on GM vehicles found on GMs website?

"The World Socialist Network"!

HA!

Not in the real world.

I wouldn't give that source credit any more than if I got it from the ultra-right media or a tabloid.

I prefer to get my sources from those that are a bit less extreme,
more balanced and don't have an agenda.

The election is over, the president is not going to change,
even if you thought it was wrong, prevent it from happening again,
and if you're a U.S. citizen vote in the coming election this year.

BTW...while I don't appreciate many of the Bush Administrations policies or tactics,
I also DO realize that ALL adminstrations have their biases, spins & agendas.

Personally, I think if Bush was smart enough to fire Ashcroft,
he'd have a "sure-thing" this next election.
The War has become a moot issue, it's done, we're in there, we have to deal with it.
Protesting it is not going to change the past or our current responsiblity.

<a target=new href="http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/recount/"><b>NY TIMES: Exploring the Florida Recount</b></a>

<a target=new href="http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/politics/12VOTE.html">LINK - Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote</a>
George W. Bush would have won even if the Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount that the Florida court had ordered to go forward.


<a target=new href="http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/politics/recount/12ASSE.html">LINK - Who Won Florida? The Answer Emerges, but Surely Not the Final Word</a>
The comprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots solidifies George W. Bush's legal claim on the White House


<a target=new href="http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/politics/recount/12NUMB.html">LINK -Ballots Cast by Blacks and Older Voters Were Tossed in Far Greater Numbers</a>
Black precincts had more than three times as many rejected ballots as white precincts in last fall's presidential race in Florida.


<a target=new href="http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/15/politics/15BALL.html">LINK - How Bush Took Florida: Mining the Overseas Absentee Vote</a>
The winning margin included hundreds of flawed ballots.




<a target=new href="http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html">LINK - CNN: Florida recount study: Bush still wins </a>

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A comprehensive study of the 2000 presidential election in Florida suggests that if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed a statewide vote recount to proceed, Republican candidate George W. Bush would still have been elected president.

The National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of Chicago conducted the six-month study for a consortium of eight news media companies, including CNN.

NORC dispatched an army of trained investigators to examine closely every rejected ballot in all 67 Florida counties, including handwritten and punch-card ballots. The NORC team of coders were able to examine about 99 percent of them, but county officials were unable to deliver as many as 2,200 problem ballots to NORC investigators. In addition, the uncertainties of human judgment, combined with some counties' inability to produce the same undervotes and overvotes that they saw last year, create a margin of error that makes the study instructive but not definitive in its findings.

As well as attempting to discern voter intent in ballots that might have been re-examined had the recount gone forward, the study also looked at the possible effect of poor ballot design, voter error and malfunctioning machines. That secondary analysis suggests that more Florida voters may have gone to the polls intending to vote for Democrat Al Gore but failed to cast a valid vote.

In releasing the report, the consortium said it is in no way trying to rewrite history or challenge the official result -- that Bush won Florida by 537 votes. Rather it is simply trying to bring some additional clarity to one of the most confusing chapters in U.S. politics.

Yahtzee!

Thank you for taking the time to link those sources.

I wonder if some of the debaters will have the intellectual honesty to concede this point.

Here's a few lies...
As we all know, bush is looking into the leak of info about cia agent valerie plame. I'm sure he'll get to the bottom of it.;)

Lol. Touche'.

Plame is the only scandle the democrates have left. Everything else seemed to fade.

... I'm sorry... I know its old now... but I'm STILL laughing.

This guy posts a socialist page as credible.... go ahead and post Baghdad Bob while you're at it.

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/

misinformation for teh win

Its the only potential scandal they have left. If it turns out some low level nothing did the leak, they will have to invent a new one.

Oooh, ooooh, i have another:

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0011/02/se.05.html


I guess we all know how solid bush's aversion to nation building actually was. At least he didn't precede his statement with "read my lips".

Who hijacked this thread? I thought this was about presidential lies and not who won Florida. Man, this thread got WAY off topic.

Hate to burst your bubble but you can't really prove that you don't have something...

I mean how exactly was Saddam suppost to prove he didn't have weapons ?

He was to lead the weapon inspectors to the site where they were destroyed. Instead he led them on a wild goose chase. He could have handed the inspectors the documentation, and then led them to the dump, but instead he choose 12 years of starvation for his people. Good Riddance.

Clean Air Initiative.
Clean Water Initiative.
I chocked on a pretzel.
If elected, I will be a uniter, not a divider. The U.S. will not be an arrogant nation among nations.
Mission accomplished.
Buckle your seatbelts! Saddam has WMD! And he'll be coming after us!
Yellow cake.
Drones.
I want to get to the bottom of the Valerie Plame scandal. This is not how this administration operates.
Leave no child behind.
I don't know Kenneth Lay and have never talked with him. (You mean Kenny Boy?)

/Just a partial list.

I think that the ballot itself was flawed in such a way that it was easier to make a mistake when intending to vote Democrat than when intending to vote Republican. Had the Republican and Democrat spots on the ballot been switched, I think that the same mistakes would have been made in favor of Gore.

The issue is that the ballot is poorly designed, and should be replaced with a system that is easier to understand at a glance, clearly displays which candidate a vote is cast for, and allows the vote to be changed before it is registered wihtout invalidating the ballot.

Quote:

More Fuel For Fla. Election Fire WASHINGTON, June 5, 2001 (Photo: AP) Blacks were nearly 10 times as likely as whites to have their ballots rejected. (AP) A divided U.S. Commission on Civil Rights has concluded that minority voters were unjustly penalized by the way the 2000 presidential election was conducted in Florida. A draft version of a commission report was made available to a number of news outlets Monday evening — prior to being provided to all commission members. Three newspapers said the report, which is expected to be formally released at a commission meeting Friday, criticizes Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Secretary of State Katherine Harris for not making sure election procedures — including the types of voting machines and ballots used — did not discriminate against certain voters. But the commission inquiry found no "conclusive evidence" that officials "conspired" to disenfranchise minority and disabled voters, the report added. The Washington Post, one of the papers that obtained an advance copy of the draft report, quoted R. Doug Lewis, director of the Houston-based Election Center, as saying Bush and Harris had little control of the 67 county voting supervisors in Florida and that the commission showed "a lack of understanding about how the process works." The two Republican appointees to the eight-member commission told The New York Times they had not been consulted and suggested that providing parts of the report early could overshadow the full report when it is issued later. One of the two, Russell Redenbaugh, told the Times the report's conclusions of discrimination were not supported by the evidence and that its early release of the report was intended to further the political agenda of the chairwoman, Mary Frances Berry, who supported former Vice President Al Gore in the presidential election. "There are a number of people who are so displeased with the outcome of the election that they would do almost anything to cast a cloud over the legitimacy of the election and the legitimacy of this administration," said Redenbaugh. "Sometimes people who believe that their cause is a correct one lose sight of the procedural violations and believe that the means they pursue are justified by the goodness of the ends they desire." A spokesman told the Times that Berry declined to comment, saying she could not discuss the report before its formal release, since all the commissioners had not received a copy. The advisory commission has no enforcement authority and the Los Angeles Times, one of the papers that got an advance report, noted in its account that the Florida Legislature has already passed laws addressing a number of the commission's complaints. Unequal access to modern voting equipment and "overzealous efforts" to purge state voter lists most harshly affected blacks in the state that decided the November election for President Bush, the commission said. Fifty-four percent of votes rejected during the Florida election were cast by black voters, according to the report. Blacks accounted for 11 percent of voters statewide. Advisers tGov. Bush and Harris were angered by the report's early release. Harris' spokesman, David Host, told the Post the leak was "both fraudulent and shameful" because Harris' response is not due until later this week. The commission held three days of hearings, interviewed 100 witnesses and reviewed 118,000 documents. Some of the key findings: Blacks were nearly 10 times as likely as whites to have their ballots rejected. Poor counties populated by minorities were more likely to use voting systems that rejected larger percentages of ballots than more affluent counties. Some Hispanic and Haitian voters were not provided ballots in their native languages, and physical barriers sometimes kept disabled voters from entering polling sites.

I posted why the black voters were rejected and how they had six weeks to clear up the mess BEFORE the election, the people that ignored the mailings were rejected at the polls when it was too late to fix the problem.
In Florida convicted felons can not vote. All people that could not vote were sent a letter explaining why they were on that list. If it was not them, they had six weeks to mail back the flyer so the problem could be fixed. The blacks that were turned down at the polls didnt return the flyer, and it was too late to fix the problem.
Just as non registered voters can not vote, In Florida you have to return the flyers that say there may be a problem with your registration. Dont blame the polls when it was advertised on TV that you had six weeks to return the flyers, in the Newspapers and IN YOUR MAIL.
This is just one of the mistruths that Moore and those like him have been harping on, only telling half the story. Why did Blacks and Hispanics not return the flyers more than whits? I dont know. Go ask them.

Have his country invaded by a foreign nation playing policeman to the world and then have them search the country for over a year looking for WMD and come up with the same thing that the UN weapons inspectors did.................Nothing. :D


I don't support "President" Bush at all, however I do believe Sadam Hussien was a very bad man, and that the world is better place without him in power. Could "President" Bush of just said that instead of there is an imment threat from Iraq using WMD.


My Favorite Bush Administration Lie:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.":rolleyes:

Like him or not, don't put quotations around President. It's insulting. Whether you like or not, that's precisely what he is.

And as Endymon pointed out, all Saddam had to do was hand over the proper documentation. He failed to account for all of his weapons, and that is what lead us to this war.

Iraq produced tons of weapons: 550 artillery shells filled with mustard gas, 107,500 casings for chemical weapons, 157 aerial bombs filled with germ agents, 25 missile warheads containing germ agents (like anthrax), and other stuff I don't care to list; this is all stuff they've admitted to having. Iraq never properly told us, to our satisfaction, where these weapons went.

If this weren't enough, the Bush administration uncovered what they thought to be new threats of "weapons of mass destruction." Considering we haven't found anything yet, might this information have been false? Yeah, definately. But would it have been reckless and irresponsible of America not to react to this intelligence? Definately. "Well, we've received information that they've got weapons that could blow us out of the water, but considering we haven't actually been hit by any of it, shouldn't we just wait?" No, no, and no.

Side-tracked? Oh yeah, baby, but I don't much care for this thread's original use anyway. :p

Did Saddam have WMD's at one point in time? Yes, of course, we gave him many.

Did Saddam have scientists capable of producing WMD's? Yes.

Did Saddam cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors? No.

Besides, look at how far Iraq has came in the past few months. It has been less than a year and Saddam has been ousted and captured, his sons are dead, and an Iraqi government is starting to form.

That is A LOT of work.

Lots of work, indeed.


Tens of thousands dead, 16 hour power outages in many areas, millions still unemployed, etc, etc, etc

But it's justified because Saddam was an imminent threat who was going to attack the US any day now.

That's yesterday's rhetoric, though. It's gone from imminent 45 minute danger to potential programs perhaps being run by people who might intend to use them on Americans or their allies.


SLM3

99% of schools opened (

90% of power and water.

Salaries up 12 to 17 times

Real estate values up

Over 80% democratically elected local leaders

Less deaths this year than any other year in Saddam's reign, ( funny the safest year was the year the Evil Americans invaded)

Foriegn buisnesses investing in Iraq

Not bad in a few months.

I am proud of my President for taking the hard choice and standing up to a corrupt UN.

sources? I'd love to learn more.



SLM3

I could swear Saddam produced a 1000 some-odd page showing just that but the point I was trying to make is that it is impossible to prove a negative. I mean Endymon logically prove that you don't have WMD in your basement.

But I Didnt sign a treaty that said i would provide the documents to show you that i had gotten rid of the WMD and give you full and unfettered access to all the information you need to verify this.

And its not proving a negative, its proving a postive. Looking for the ruins of what existed is still a positive. Take what every leftie claims we sold them, put it in heap, and lead the UN inspectors to that heap. Then hand over the documents that go with it.

That was never done.

I have a clip of a video called "unpresidented" on my NoFX-The war on errorism cd. It shows how the polls were rigged in fla durring the election. And I like the lie bush told about putting money into the school systems. He's spent billions on this war and where the fuck is my education!?!

Right. . .noFX is about as credible as Baghdad Bob when it comes to politics.

I can show you statistics from various websites that allege that all the anti-war protests were staged by communists and muslim terrorist-sympathizers. . . that doesn't make it true.

He spent billions on education too. Now get your education like the rest of us and pay for it.

some sources would be nice or are we to take you on your word.
of course foriegn businesses are building iraq there all bush's buddies. it's still like a boys club.

your info seems a little off from what is being said on the news

as for salaries up 12-17% why are people still dying when they proteset they haven't been paid in months?

You misunderstood, the salaries are for the US businessmen who got no-bid contracts.

Thats 12-17 TIMES, big difference.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/G...on_031102.html
Mmmmm google is good.

ah the rich getting richer, or is it the boy's club?

that's great for the teachers but what about the rest of the people. thier still rioting because some haven't been paid for months

The teachers were the first ones I grabbed, I'm not here to do your homework for you.

Also if you did your homework you would know who was protesting and why. Its not 'the rest of the people', but two specific groups. Please go look them up.

Granted by Clinton, not Bush see the Haliburton didnt profit thread.

yes mom the other groups are the police officer, the military that was disbanded talk about a brainfart, the merchants, the doctors, anyone else i should mention. I can't express my views w/o calling names and cheers had to edit me

Get a job and pay for it, why the hell should I have to be taxed to GIVE YOU an education?

To bad I missed it :)

Anyways, there was a protest over some of the ex-army not getting their onetime payout of $40, and there was another protest by the police for only getting $60 a month when promised $120. All the reports I found were on the protest, no follow up stories of course to see if they got paid or not.

I looked and the only other thing I could find was a blurb about doctors on the socialist workers website. You can take that for what its worth.

If you have any current links please post them.

you didn't miss much i was in a bad mood at the time sorry for that even though you didn't see it. i'll take a look for links.

to many lies to chose from...

"The vast majority of my tax cut goes to those at the bottom end of the spectrum, by far."

My favourite lies are that 'Saddams WMDs can be armed and used agasinst us within 40minutes'. The truth of the matter is that Iraq has been known as a 'contained threat' since 1994, and was one of the weakest countries in the Gulf area, with as yet no WMD's found. Im also in stunned admiration of the way that he rhetorically twisted 'all out war and agression' to 'pre-emptive strike'.

One bush lie is the economy is getting better.

Willful delusion at its finest.

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Conflicts with the Patriot Act(s) so I don't know if this qualifies as a lie.

2Wolves

Not That It Was Reported, but Gore Won
Of course, this is all nice and dandy for voters that could actually vote, but for far too many, that simply wasn't the case. As the BBC reporter, Greg Palast, discovered and detailed in the 1st chapter of his book, _The Best Democracy Money Can Buy_, over 90,000 voters, mostly Blacks and Hispanics, were wrongly barred from voting in the Florida election by Florida Secretary of State, Katherine Harris, and Jeb Bush in an election "officially" determined by only 537 votes. Too bad the U.S. corporate media didn't find this fit to print either...

http://www.gregpalast.com/contents.htm

This should provide a good summary:

The Bush Administration's Top 40 Lies about War and Terrorism

Here is my favorite Bush lie:

"Let me finish please. But by far the vast majority of my tax cuts go to the bottom end of the spectrum. And this language about Governor Bush's only has tax cuts for the rich, sounds exactly like Al Gore." -- Bush on February 15, 2000, South Carolina presidential debate

Of course in private, he knew better:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...le592330.shtml

You can learn about the tax cuts and how much they did(or didn't) affect you here: http://www.ctj.org