Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community (https://thetfp.com/tfp/)
-   Tilted Politics (https://thetfp.com/tfp/tilted-politics/)
-   -   Albright thinks Bush hiding bin Laden (https://thetfp.com/tfp/tilted-politics/39343-albright-thinks-bush-hiding-bin-laden.html)

Jesus Pimp 12-17-2003 09:01 AM

Albright thinks Bush hiding bin Laden
 
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=36182
Quote:

Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright told Fox News Channel analyst Morton Kondracke yesterday she suspects President Bush knows the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden and is simply waiting for the most politically expedient moment to announce his capture.

Kondracke made the announcement about what Albright told him backstage before an appearance on another Fox show on "Special Report With Brit Hume."

Kondracke was incredulous that a former secretary of state could believe something like that about a U.S. administration.

"She was not smiling when she said this," offered Kondracke, who believes Albright is serious about the conspiracy theory.

Madeleine Albright


Albright is on a media tour to promote her new book, "Madam Secretary, A Memoir."

She was mildly critical of Bush administration policy in Iraq on camera in later appearances on "The O'Reilly Factor" and on MSNBC's "Hardball With Chris Matthews."

"I'm one of these people that said I understood the 'why' of the war, but I didn't understand the 'why now' or the 'what next,'" she told O'Reilly. "I still have a lot of questions. And I think that we don't know, frankly, what the effect of Saddam's capture is on the general situation in Iraq. President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld have, in fact, warned about violence still going on, and the effect within the rest of the Middle East of a prolonged trial or an execution or generally how he is treated."
It's pretty sad if it were true that the Bush Administration is using the capture of Osama and Suddam as publicity for his re-election campaign.

Liquor Dealer 12-17-2003 09:05 AM

Re: Albright thinks Bush hiding bin Laden
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Jesus Pimp
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=36182


It's pretty sad if it were true that the Bush Administration is using the capture of Osama and Suddam as publicity for his re-election campaign.

Santa Claus is gonna' bring him down the chimney on Christmas Eve. Do you honestly believe that the US has bin Lade in custody and are hiding this fact so it can be released at the last moment for political gain? This is about as much bullshit as Reagan and Iran having a delayed deal on the hostage release.

Jesus Pimp 12-17-2003 09:17 AM

Not in custody but they most likely know or have information where he is hiding.

Liquor Dealer 12-17-2003 09:33 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,106012,00.html
WASHINGTON — Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright insisted Wednesday that she was just kidding when she wondered aloud whether the Bush administration is holding Usama bin Laden captive, waiting to break him out at the best political moment.



It was a "tongue-in-cheek comment and was not intended in any other way," Albright told Fox News.


Lokks to me like she stepped in sumthin'

Jesus Pimp 12-17-2003 09:54 AM

Ha ok :lol:

OFKU0 12-17-2003 10:26 AM

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if what she said had some truth to it. Conspiracies theory are just that.Conspiracies. Matter of fact I won 100 bucks from a friend cuz as soon as I saw Bush in Bagdad, I said Saddam will be caught by Christmas.

I think the U.S knows exactly where Osama is and is just waiting for the opportune time to pick him up. Kinda like a drug sting. They want as many paticipants as possible especially Al-Queda.

If the U.S doesn't have a clue where he is then with all the technology and manpower, I would have to say that they are then as dumb as a bag of nails. Really a guy who needs kidney dialysis treatments riding around on a fucking camel. Yup.

Tophat665 12-17-2003 10:40 AM

Albright is not McDermott. When Madeline Albright says something to this effect, even in jest, it makes McDermott look vaguely reasonable.

While I think she may have been expressing a rueful joke, I tend to think that a woman who's been the Secretary of State under a Democratic president would be particularly careful about this sort of thing when at the place where that president was most often reviled. Therefore, whether or not she thinks it's probable, I have got to think that there is some part of her that thinks it's possible. That says a lot to me about her opinion of Shrub and how much to inflate her public misgivings about the handling of the Iraqi debacle to arrive at an estimate of her private misgivings.

Still, time will tell.

Superbelt 12-17-2003 10:54 AM

Re: Re: Albright thinks Bush hiding bin Laden
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Liquor Dealer
Santa Claus is gonna' bring him down the chimney on Christmas Eve. Do you honestly believe that the US has bin Lade in custody and are hiding this fact so it can be released at the last moment for political gain? This is about as much bullshit as Reagan and Iran having a delayed deal on the hostage release.
Hostages taken 11/4/1979
Reagan Inaugurated 1/20/1981
Hostages released 1/20/1981

it was just an amazing coincidence that They were held for over a year and then released the same day Reagan was inaugurated eh?

Even his daughter provides evidence that he was working this in the back channels.

Liquor Dealer 12-17-2003 11:04 AM

Re: Re: Re: Albright thinks Bush hiding bin Laden
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Superbelt
Hostages taken 11/4/1979
Reagan Inaugurated 1/20/1981
Hostages released 1/20/1981

it was just an amazing coincidence that They were held for over a year and then released the same day Reagan was inaugurated eh?

Even his daughter provides evidence that he was working this in the back channels.

I don't think I'd rely much on the daughter for info. Got even one more source?

Think about this - A do-nothing, turn the other cheek prez is going out of office - one is coming in who will rip your other cheek off! Which one do you want to deal with?

Ustwo 12-17-2003 11:18 AM

Re: Re: Re: Albright thinks Bush hiding bin Laden
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Superbelt
Hostages taken 11/4/1979
Reagan Inaugurated 1/20/1981
Hostages released 1/20/1981

it was just an amazing coincidence that They were held for over a year and then released the same day Reagan was inaugurated eh?

Even his daughter provides evidence that he was working this in the back channels.

The Iranian's hated Carter and were terrifed of what Reagan would do. Reagan being an 'cowboy' and Carter being a 'pussy'.

Go figure they released them that day.

ARTelevision 12-17-2003 11:24 AM

We're in the middle of a global war on terrorism.
I expect my government to do what it does for strategic advantage. Psy Ops is less brutal than Special Ops.

All forms of advantage taken during wartime by smart governments are about strategic advantage.
Political advantage is a subset of strategic advantage.
This includes managing as much of the flow of information as possible and managing the timed announcement of whomever is in custody. I hope the government is not telling us exactly what information, assets, and resources it is in control of. If we know it - the enemy does too.

It's naive to think otherwise.

onetime2 12-17-2003 11:29 AM

Yet another politician being stupid. If nothing else, she should have known better than to say something like this even jokingly.

Now as far as those who think it's true...Ummm, yeah that's it. And I suppose Bush will plant him alongside a bunch of wmds in the center of Baghdad a week before the election.

And as far as the whole Iranian hostage thing. Carter's efforts towards the end of his Presidency, before Reagan was sworn in, were increased exponentially trying to free the hostages. To claim it was all Reagan and the "fear he instilled" or his "backroom dealings" is crazy.

Superbelt 12-17-2003 11:40 AM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Albright thinks Bush hiding bin Laden
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Liquor Dealer
I don't think I'd rely much on the daughter for info. Got even one more source?

Think about this - A do-nothing, turn the other cheek prez is going out of office - one is coming in who will rip your other cheek off! Which one do you want to deal with?

Sure, I have Carter, Patty and author Robert Parry.

Quote:

"Another thing I kept quiet about was my horror at how the hostage situation was being discussed inside the Reagan camp. Since my contact with my father [Ronald] was limited, most of this was filtered through my mother [Nancy]. The phrase 'October Surprise' kept cropping up and was soon campaign rhetoric. The more I listened, the more I realized that they were actually dreading the thought that the hostages might be released--if it happened at a time they thought would be inconvenient for their election plans."
--Patti Davis (formerly Patricia Ann Reagan), The Way I See It

"[I] think the hostages' release...had to do with a deal, struck before the deal-maker was in office."
--Patti Davis (formerly Patricia Ann Reagan), The Way I See It

"The Iranian parliament was meeting and we had every information from Bani-Sadr and others that they were going to vote overwhelmingly to let the hostages go. And at the last minute on Sunday [two days before the election] for some reason they had adjourned without voting.... The votes were there, but the Ayatollah or somebody commanded them to adjourn."
--President Carter, interviewed in The Village Voice

"The CIA Old Boys were reeling. In the 1970s, exposure of their dirty games and dirty tricks made the Cold Warriors look sinister--and silly. Then, President Carter ordered a housecleaning that left scores of CIA men out in the cold. In 1980, the CIA men wanted back in and their champion was former CIA director George Bush. With Bush and Ronald Reagan in power, the old spies could resume their work with a vengeance. The temptation was to do to Jimmy Carter what the CIA had done to countless other world leaders--overthrow him."
--Robert Parry, Bush and a CIA Power Play, February 29, 1996

Superbelt 12-17-2003 11:43 AM

Yes they had reason to be afraid of Reagan too. And Reagan was so fearful he gave them 8 billion in siezed Iranian property after he was in office and gave them immunity to being prosecuted for the event

http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0825448.html

Yes, Carter who was giving them nothing was the pussy, while Reagan who gave them billions plus immunity was the cowboy!

Sure :rolleyes:

Sparhawk 12-17-2003 11:48 AM

Here's another way to look at Carter's handling of the Iranian Hostage Crisis:

Number of American Civilians killed: 0
Number of Innocent Civilians killed: 0

Sounds like a success to me...

edited so that I can still squeek out a point...

onetime2 12-17-2003 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sparhawk
Here's another way to look at Carter's handling of the Iranian Hostage Crisis:

Number of Americans killed: 0
Number of Innocent Civilians killed: 0

Sounds like a success to me...

You might want to up that number of Americans killed to 8 to include the failed rescue attempt.

Sparhawk 12-17-2003 12:22 PM

Ah yes, forgot about that, thanks.

onetime2 12-17-2003 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sparhawk
Ah yes, forgot about that, thanks.
No problem.

silent_jay 12-18-2003 04:00 PM

are politicians born with foot in mouth disease or do they pick it up along their careers? bush has no idea where osama is and hasn't since the failed attempt in Tora Bora what a year and a half ago. (not sure on the timeframe)

Phaenx 12-18-2003 04:37 PM

Well, you have to give them a little credit. The media watches them constantly, and there's an entire army of people waiting around for you to say something to tear you apart about.

That's not to say this statement wasn't stupid, it most definately was. If it was an off the cuff kind of thing, and wasn't a calculated incident meant to do harm to the Bush administration (which I don't think it was), you can't fault someone for being stupid once in a while.

silent_jay 12-18-2003 05:29 PM

agreed Phanex good point, everyone is entitled to screw up once in a while.

Tophat665 12-18-2003 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by silent_jay
agreed Phanex good point, everyone is entitled to screw up once in a while.
It's when they screw up consistently day after day for 3 years or so that you really have to wonder;)

kiwiman 12-18-2003 07:00 PM

It seemed like an off the cuff comment between two people.

If she had gone and said it on, say, Larry King, then there would be cause for alarm.

America knows roughly where Bin Laden is, Pakistanis are just making it quite tough to find exactly where. If they could have him now, why wouldn't they get him?

Saddam and Bin Laden in one week, what more of a boost do you need? Once they find the WMDs, there won't be much to complain about.

Ustwo 12-18-2003 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by onetime2
You might want to up that number of Americans killed to 8 to include the failed rescue attempt.
Don't forget the marine killed when the hostages were taken.

silent_jay 12-18-2003 08:39 PM

true if she said it on a more credible news channel. was it fox who put geraldo in with the troops? hope someone got fired over that.

good point about the marine forgot that one

Ustwo 12-18-2003 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by silent_jay
true if she said it on a more credible news channel.
Would you consider CNN to be credible?

silent_jay 12-18-2003 08:55 PM

not a big fan of CNN. how about you? I think CNN is one of the worst newscasts at least if you want to get different stories they seem to hit a lot of dead time where they need filler and then they bring in Dr. Gupta for some reason. I watch the BBC or the CBC most often not to say that either one of these are always credible, but a little better than CNN

onetime2 12-19-2003 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ustwo
Don't forget the marine killed when the hostages were taken.
True, but I wasn't counting the initial action, just the response to the hostage taking.

silent_jay 12-22-2003 09:00 PM

there are no real "credible news agencis out there now there are so many that they compete for the same stories and you can go from channel to channel and basically see the same thing. the only reason i mentioned the BBC and CBC is because they give a different perspective on thing and they also have a lot more stories on parts of the world that might not be heard from otherwise.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:46 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
© 2002-2012 Tilted Forum Project


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360