Bush claimed Iraq was a throbbing hub of terror. It wasn't, but it is now.
Great insightful commentary. We're doing to Iraq what we did to Iran. When will we learn?
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I hope Bush wins the next election so that he alone can be held responsible for the Iraqi fuckup.
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True, but that will still happen no matter who wins the election, it's not like there's a way out of Iraq even if the democrats win. |
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One word for what this thread is about: Irony. :D
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I think it is time to reinstate the draft so we can have our share of draft-dodgers and malcontents just like Vietnam. |
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Then we'll pay to put them through college because we value learning over killing. Then we'll help them buy a house because we value raising a family over killing. Then we'll....just like last time. |
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-- paraphrased from R.A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers. if i had a copy of the novel, i'd have the exact quote. edited to fix a tag or two. go me. |
we're far far far away from the draft.
it'll be the final blow needed to bring down gwb. |
Even the slightest hint of that at this stage will mean total defeat for Dubya...
And I don't think there is any need for a draft in the current situation.... |
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The potential, in Iraq and Afganistan is that we cannot leave. And, to top it off, the environment is once again against us. |
The environment isn't even close to as harsh as the jungle of Vietnam.
Currently there are very few situations in which a draft will occur: - War with North Korea and they hit us with a nuke first - War with China - War with other major world power In all cases you can't disagree with a draft if you would like to win. |
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Thanks for doing your duty to country. |
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Perhaps you were thinking of when Johnny Rico was in OCS: Quote:
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I hate to see any soldiers get killed and I don't think is war is all about iraq. I think it is a show to people over there that you bomb the US and we will take out someone maybe you next time
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...or the "Paving the way for Fundamentalist Assholes"-approach.
So far, it's been facelift. Afghanistan is in the hands of druglords who couldn't give a damn. Sure, Kabul is under control, but the rest isn't. I could understand the whole situation if the US forces were given what they needed. Funding, troops, etc. But they aren't. Because the US government is afraid to get ousted next election. Normally I couldn't give a fuck about soldiers in a professional army. But this is getting ridiculous. If the troops aren't getting what they need to take control, the whole Iraq situation will have been a sacrifice for approval ratings and nothing else. Saddam Hussein has been the largest obstacle when it comes to Al Quida's goals for a long time. Now he's gone. This will come down to either an expensive long-term situation, or a total fiasco. So far it seems as if the Bush regime is valuing short-term approval ratings more than long-term stability. |
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True.
But the current moves are just so cynical it amazes me. I think it's a huge mistake, though. Not talking about International politics, but the ratings. :) The administration is putting itself into a catch-22 situation. The budget is an issue, so there is reluctancy to send in more troops, which would be needed to take control of the situation. The military knows what they need, nobody listens. And we're rapidly getting closer to the point where the loss of American lives in Iraq will become an issue. When that happens, Rumsfeld will declare Iraq "fixed", and call home the troops, no matter what. That's my guess. But hey, I'm the cynical type. |
See, this is what happens when you lauch a unilateral pre-emptive strike against a country that did not attack you, and for that matter, had no intention of ever attacking you.
God loves the little guy sometimes. George W Bush has lead America into the abyss. |
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The quote is not part of her reply, it's in her sig.
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You are right. I just liked her sig that's why I quoted from that.
I think it's right to say that the number of followers or the way a decision was made doesn't necessarily say anything about wether the decision is right or wrong. In the case of iraq quite a lot of people said: "Let's bomb them to pieces. That should solve the problem." Many others said: "War is not the answer". Now I think things will get worse quite a bit before they can even start to get better. If I mixed sth. up before, i'll try to improve next time. |
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