45-minute claim on Iraq was hearsay - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Sty · 08-15-2003, 05:53 PM

Now it seems that the 45 min claim was on even shallower ground that believed before... I guess that Blair is going to step down pretty soon...

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/...020033,00.html

smooth · 08-15-2003, 05:58 PM

hmm, I kept reading heresy

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But hearsay is pretty shitty, too. What are you basing your assertion that Blair is going to step down on? I didn't see that in the article but I haven't been following British politics as closely as I was any more.

Sty · 08-15-2003, 06:30 PM

Ah, that was just my personal opinion what he should do in a situation like this... Our prime minister had to step down by just holding her office for a couple of months because she lied (about some secret iraq papers) on the face of parliament and lost the trust of the opposition parties and later from one of the major parties.

smooth · 08-15-2003, 08:34 PM

I agree with you from what I understand; I just wondered if you had heard him say it.

hiredgun · 08-16-2003, 09:11 AM

yes, it does seem that unless the direction of british opinion on Iraq changes drastically, blair will either resign or be ousted by his own party.

The_Dude · 08-16-2003, 11:18 AM

i really liked the guy till this. it seemed like he didnt have a backbone for himself and followed bush on whatever he [bush]said.

i think a vote of confidence is gonna come up pretty soon and that is the end to t.blair.

he's more popular in american than in britain......how sad.

stan the man · 08-16-2003, 06:35 PM

what is the difference between geogre w being mistaken about weapons of mass distrution and bush being mistaken about the 45 min

yes blair has a poor rating at home but i dont think he will be removed

the british economy cant take the blow

if he is removed then they have admitted to war crimes and that will cost a pretty penny

ill put $2 down on blair making it through a vote of nonconfidence

Dilbert1234567 · 08-19-2003, 10:54 AM

it takes us 22 min to nuke moscow and thats acros the artic, it would take (proximatly) 35 min to nuke bahgdad. i dont think iraq can hit us in 45

JamesS · 08-19-2003, 07:39 PM

If Blair doesn't go down, it seems to me some pretty senior advisors are going to have to bow out. The British press will most likely keep following the story until someone bites the bullet - Blair or otherwise.

If Blair falls, it will be interesting to see how the US media plays it vis a vis Bush and his really very similiar claims. Bush did, at one point, use the 45 minutes figure in a radio address.

Generally, the UK press is more tenacious than that of the US, but it would be pretty hard to ignore our biggest ally's leader being toppled in this way.

Sledge · 08-19-2003, 09:20 PM

Watch this news NOT erupt scandalously all over the face of the American media.

08-15-2003, 05:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
Sty Patron Administrator Location: Tôkyô, Japan	45-minute claim on Iraq was hearsay Now it seems that the 45 min claim was on even shallower ground that believed before... I guess that Blair is going to step down pretty soon... http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/...020033,00.html __________________ br, Sty I route, therefore you exist

08-15-2003, 05:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
smooth Junkie Location: Right here	hmm, I kept reading heresy . But hearsay is pretty shitty, too. What are you basing your assertion that Blair is going to step down on? I didn't see that in the article but I haven't been following British politics as closely as I was any more. __________________ "The theory of a free press is that truth will emerge from free discussion, not that it will be presented perfectly and instantly in any one account." -- Walter Lippmann "You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists." -- Abbie Hoffman

08-15-2003, 06:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
Sty Patron Administrator Location: Tôkyô, Japan	Ah, that was just my personal opinion what he should do in a situation like this... Our prime minister had to step down by just holding her office for a couple of months because she lied (about some secret iraq papers) on the face of parliament and lost the trust of the opposition parties and later from one of the major parties. __________________ br, Sty I route, therefore you exist

08-15-2003, 08:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
smooth Junkie Location: Right here	I agree with you from what I understand; I just wondered if you had heard him say it. __________________ "The theory of a free press is that truth will emerge from free discussion, not that it will be presented perfectly and instantly in any one account." -- Walter Lippmann "You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists." -- Abbie Hoffman

08-16-2003, 11:18 AM	#6 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	i really liked the guy till this. it seemed like he didnt have a backbone for himself and followed bush on whatever he [bush]said. i think a vote of confidence is gonna come up pretty soon and that is the end to t.blair. he's more popular in american than in britain......how sad. __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

08-16-2003, 09:11 AM	#5 (permalink)
hiredgun Addict	yes, it does seem that unless the direction of british opinion on Iraq changes drastically, blair will either resign or be ousted by his own party.

08-16-2003, 06:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
stan the man Insane	what is the difference between geogre w being mistaken about weapons of mass distrution and bush being mistaken about the 45 min yes blair has a poor rating at home but i dont think he will be removed the british economy cant take the blow if he is removed then they have admitted to war crimes and that will cost a pretty penny ill put $2 down on blair making it through a vote of nonconfidence __________________ long live the hud

08-19-2003, 10:54 AM	#8 (permalink)
Dilbert1234567 Devils Cabana Boy Location: Central Coast CA	it takes us 22 min to nuke moscow and thats acros the artic, it would take (proximatly) 35 min to nuke bahgdad. i dont think iraq can hit us in 45 __________________ Donate Blood! "Love is not finding the perfect person, but learning to see an imperfect person perfectly." -Sam Keen

08-19-2003, 07:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
JamesS Crazy Location: Land of the Hanging Chad	If Blair doesn't go down, it seems to me some pretty senior advisors are going to have to bow out. The British press will most likely keep following the story until someone bites the bullet - Blair or otherwise. If Blair falls, it will be interesting to see how the US media plays it vis a vis Bush and his really very similiar claims. Bush did, at one point, use the 45 minutes figure in a radio address. Generally, the UK press is more tenacious than that of the US, but it would be pretty hard to ignore our biggest ally's leader being toppled in this way. __________________ The tragedy of life is what dies inside a man while he lives. -- Albert Schweitzer

08-19-2003, 09:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
Sledge Pasture Bedtime	Watch this news NOT erupt scandalously all over the face of the American media.