Saddam
 

Does anyone think the U.S. will ever find Saddam?

Yeah, I don't think it will much longer now. Hes the next rat to be exterminated. They are closing in on him.

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Given the history with Osama Bin Ladin it's 70/30.

The odds are that high only because Saddam is so tied to Iraq.

As always money talks and b.s. walks and Saddam has lots of walking around money so we'll see.

It will be interesting to see if he's "silenced" immediately so as not to inconvienence previous American presidents. Historically speaking of course.

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He will likely take his life before getting captured....
Then in the eyes of the Arab world he will be seen as a martyr..

In the eyes of the extremists perhaps. In the eyes of most normal Iraqis, and most normal moderate Arabs, he's still a bastard that will go straight to hell.

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The Army is really stepping upand putting the heat on Saddam, they say he is moving every 2-4 hours. Also I am not so sure that he would take his own life, there is definently a chance, but if you look at all the stuff he has done to keep his power and stay alive it would all be a waste.

Another thing I really don't think anyone except for Saddam/baathist loyalists would see Saddam as a Martyr. If you know your history Osama and Saddam aren't buddies, infact in the past (right up until the first gulf war) Osama was pleading with the Saudi's to deal with Saddam rather then have us American's do it. Saddam was secular, therefore most* extremists hate him.

Osama probably hasn't been officially found and killed yet because of the threat of a "final command" to al Qaeda, to be executed upon his death. Osama isn't the brains behind al Qaeda, so keeping him alive until a majority of sleeper cells are shut down isn't that harmful to us. The US and Pakistani government have made it pretty clear that they know in what region of Afghanistan that Osama is hiding, and that he's not moving.

I think we will find sadam, the real question is will we kill him when we find him or make him stand trial?

I say kill him

Well, rumor has it that Saddam liked playing dress-up with women's clothing so perhaps sending him to jail wouldn't be the worst punishment.

I think he's as good as dead - money does talk - it talked loud and clear and when it did the ugly brothers died. Money will talk again and this time Saddam's chances of staying on the loose will come to an end - he'll probably have the opportunity to choose how his end will come about but I'd almost bet you he doesn't have the guts his two asshole sons had when their time ran out.

Not if he hides with those wepons of mass destruction.

Ok, call me a crazy left-winger, but, tell me again why we invaded a sovreign nation recognized by the United Nations and are currently hunting down its last reigning ruler?

I realize this is a flamebait question, what I am asking is, what gives the American government and military the right to be hunting him down?

Do you people believe America has some special right to invade nations we don't trust with WMD and hunt down their leaders?

What if a foreign power decided that America could not be trusted with all the WMD we currently possess and invaded?

What if they were hunting down our Leaders and had even made a deck of cards with their faces?

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As for will we find Saddam, very likely. He will be lucky if he gets the same fate as Manuel Noriega, a framed-up trip to a Federal Prison, more likely he will be "recovered" dead.

I never get people with this mentality. You could always kill him after the trial, and it would just seem a heck of a lot more legitimate that way. Why so gung-ho to forgo the process all the time?

I'm not defending the guy, but we have to keep certain standards on how we deal with people like him. The rule of law and such.

because Saddam is a murderous bastard that deserves to die, and because he refused to cooperate with the UN weapons inspections for over 12 years. Call me a crazy right-winger (you'd be wrong, by the way), but tell me why the US *shouldn't* invade a country to remove such a regime? How on earth can you justify not doing anything by pointing at international law, and then claim that the party that does decide to invade is evil?

I believe everyone has a right to invade nations they don't trust with WMDs if their leaders are as evil as Saddam is. Yes, that includes the US. If anyone has the balls to invade the US over their WMDs (and succeeds), they are welcome to make a deck of cards with the US' leader's faces. In fact, if the US ever turns into an evil dictatorship, with the government killing millions of it's own people for thinking bad things, then I'll applaud anyone that goes in to liberate the US people, with or without UN approval.

Noriega was a bastard that deserves his punishment. Saddam will be even worse - I hope the US gets him alive. I'd love to see an Iraqi mob tear the bastard to pieces. Okay, that's a bit excessive, but you get the picture - he deserves to be punished for what he did.

Unilateral Action
 

Why should the US not invade?
Because we are not the world's police force. We may be the self-appointed "Superpower", but several nations opposed our actions who were on the UN Security Council.
Technically, we began a unilateral action to enforce UN resolutions without consent of the ruling body, the UN.

How can I justify not doing anything by pointing at International Law?
Without the Law or UN to support our actions, aren't we criminals.

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I believe everyone has a right to invade nations they don't trust with WMDs if their leaders are as evil as Saddam is. Yes, that includes the US. If anyone has the balls to invade the US over their WMDs (and succeeds), they are welcome to make a deck of cards with the US' leader's faces. In fact, if the US ever turns into an evil dictatorship, with the government killing millions of it's own people for thinking bad things, then I'll applaud anyone that goes in to liberate the US people, with or without UN approval.

Careful, China might be listening and your giving them ideas.
Based on this same belief of justifiable unilateral invasion, we should be invading North Korea, Pakistan, Syria, Cuba to name just a few.

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Noriega was a bastard that deserves his punishment. Saddam will be even worse - I hope the US gets him alive. I'd love to see an Iraqi mob tear the bastard to pieces. Okay, that's a bit excessive, but you get the picture - he deserves to be punished for what he did.

Noriega was a US created puppet leader that was installed into power so the US could control the Panama Canal. When he threatened to not let the US use the Canal anymore, he was suddenly a threat to US National Security and promptly removed.

Saddam is also a US created puppet leader that was installed to start a war with Iran as retaliation for the US Embassy Hostage situation.

When Saddam was no longer cooperative with the needs of the US, his paycheck was cutoff. In return, Saddam decided if the US wouldn't pay him anymore, he'd get the money from Kuwait and you know the rest of the story.

The two Bush administrations paint Saddam as an evil man. Could he just be a puppet who no longer serves the master?

Re: Unilateral Action
 

[Noriega was a US created puppet leader that was installed into power so the US could control the Panama Canal. When he threatened to not let the US use the Canal anymore, he was suddenly a threat to US National Security and promptly removed.

Saddam is also a US created puppet leader that was installed to start a war with Iran as retaliation for the US Embassy Hostage situation.

When Saddam was no longer cooperative with the needs of the US, his paycheck was cutoff. In return, Saddam decided if the US wouldn't pay him anymore, he'd get the money from Kuwait and you know the rest of the story.

The two Bush administrations paint Saddam as an evil man. Could he just be a puppet who no longer serves the master? [/B][/QUOTE]

Don't forget that the Clinton administration also labled him as an evil man. Also Sadam was in power way befor the Iran Iraq war started.

Re: Re: Unilateral Action
 

Sure, Clinton labeled him an evil man, his actions as a man who murders his own citizens for a political agenda is evil.
I don't disagree Saddam is evil, because of actions as a oppressive dictator who crushes all opposition with lethal force and genocide.


What I disagree with is the US invading Iraq under the guise of "freeing" the Iraqi people.

If that's really why we went, we have quite a few more countries to unilaterally invade. North Korea and Cuba come immediately to mind.

I find it much more likely we invaded Iraq and are hunting down Saddam so the US can control Iraq's crude oil supply. And on a personal note Bush Jr is paying Saddam back for the attempted assassination of Bush Sr. And the assassination attempt on Bush Sr was payback for previous dealing that went sour between Saddam and Bush Sr which came to a head during the first Gulf War.

While this is true, it doesn't mean Saddam didn't become a puppet to the US for the purpose of a war with Iran. The Bush Sr and Saddam political relationship began during Reagan's presidency.

FYI, you all know Bush Sr was Director of the CIA before he became Vice President, right? Heard of Iran-Contra before?
The Bush family vendetta with Saddam is 2 decades old.

I seriously doubt that saddam will ever be caught. He ran the country for years, surely he's got allies that will keep hidden, even with the huge bounty on his head.

The problem is that the current government needs to condemn the Reagan-government if they want credibility in the Middle East.
That will never happen, and whatever happens to Saddam will just be a reminder to the people in the Middle East that being a friend of the US means nothing in the long run. The long tradition of support to Israel just means that it becomes really clear which side was designated the enemy to start with.

I can't shake the feeling that the current Iraq conflict is nothing but Bush Jr. trying to correct daddy's largest mistake - betraying the rebels after the first Gulf war. The problem is that nobody will care. It's too late.

We'll find him Nostradaumas predicted it