Bush should know better than this.
 

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...168/4s8z4.html

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President Bush signs American flags for workers at Beaver Aerospace and Defense after speaking about jobs and economic growth in Livonia, Michigan, Thursday, July 23, 2003. President Bush, in campaign-style speeches in states vital to his re-election, sought Thursday to make sure voters give him credit for rebates heading to millions of taxpayers this week. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

THAT is REALLY bad.


www.maraz.com/usa/flaglaw.htm

That is for the legality of it. This is an actual american law that our President broke.

Someone should be having a field day with this...

Personally I don't put that much value in a symbol...

stupid law.
stupider Bush.

Meh. Hard to beat the pretzel incident.

This is a bit stupid, but really, how many of those little plastic flags are going to end up on the floor after the speech anyhow? Sad that we've relegated our flag to decoration/souvenir status.

agree

That would be a federal law...wouldn't it?

WHAT!? IMPEACH HIM!

All the libs are gonna make a big deal about this, but they all ignored the fact that Clinton straight up lied to them and played them all as stupid fools. Gimme a break. This is just dumb.

Sure is. I'm waiting for one of the democratic (I no longer capitalize that word, suck it) presidential nominees to bring it up, they've slammed him for dumber things.

hold on...........who was making all the fuss about the flag flying on the learning center??

now that your great leader has tarnished it, you got no prob?

The intentions here are completely different, The_Dude. The people in Oregon want to take the flag down because they hate America, Bush is signing flags because he was asked to first of all, and second because he didn't know it was against the flags etiquette. It's easy to call him stupid now that we know it's against the law, but how many of you knew that law before this article? Chances are unless you were in the boyscouts or something you didn't, I'd be surprised if 1 out of 10 people on these forums knew how to properly put a US flag on a wall, or crossed with another flag.

Its hypocrisy eveyrone posting here - don't know why either side is trying to make a big deal. On the other hand people really need towatch what they defend and shrug off because it really does piss me off to see how easily people are going to bend jsut because soemone else does it.

Thats a pretty dinky flag he is writing on there.

Exactly. And who the hell woulda thought signing a flag would be illegal when burning one isn't!! America haters who burn our flag should be locked up for life with no chance of parole.

burning a flag is freedom of expression, a sign of protest with something.

but signing it ??



btw, i really dont care about this topic, just arguing for the case of arguing and it's fun.

Burning a flag is freedom of expression? Bullfuckingshit. Expression of what?

Burning a flag is an expression all right. It shows that you hate America and what it stands for and that you have ZERO respect for all the people who died so you can live free in the greatest country on the planet.

Those people that signed the World Trade Center Flag are in violation too? Here's a cup of shut the fuck up people....


Burning the flag for hate against America is okay with me for all I care. :D Why? It cost them money for them and more money for us. Surely you thought of that did you? :D

it's not a sign of hate for the entire nation, just a specific part of it.

As usual, I disagree with you 100%. Burning the flag is disrespecting every aspect of America, not just a specific part. The flag is a symbol of freedom which has been made possible by all the people who have died in defending and building this country. If someone hates a specific part of the country then go ahead and protest, but if you burn the flag then you're an America hating asshole who has no respect for the country you live in and the people who built it, and you should be punished. Yes, our country is free, but people should show respect. What the hell ever happened to patriotism?

personally, i wouldnt burn a flag. i just dont see no point in doing so. it's just a piece of cloth.

but, if somebody wants to do that, i can see why they would. i guess it's whose eyes u are lookin thru. in your eyes it means a lot. maybe in the eyes of the flag burners, it doesnt.

The people who burn it know what it stands for and the fact that they disrespect that is bullshit. I can't see any reason to ever burn the flag. As far as I'm concerned, they're dickheads that abuse their freedom.

Sixate.. Personally I agree with you on the same stance.. But when it comes to destroying my flag that I own on my property.. They have no right to do that and it disrespect everything..

Then again when it comes to retire the flag.. We burn it.. For them burning the flag.. It's only giving the flag the honorable way out rather than throwing it in the garbage :D

Way to fucking derail the point and cover up for your fearless leader, like always. Bush defiled the flag by writing on it same as a hater might by wiping his ass with it. You respect that flag 100% or not at all. How hard is it to treat the flag according to the set rules? You don't write on it, wear it in clothing except as a patch, fly it in the dark (unless illuminated) or in the rain, fly it in a state of disrepair, or burn it(expect when retiring a flag no longer in condition fit to display). That, or you do whatever you want. Myself, I'll go for 100%. I don't fly the flag, don't wear it, don't defile it. I like consistency in behavior. So if you want to talk about respect for the flag, sixate, hold your leader to the appropriate fucking standard, okay? Don't do a bait and switch with flag burning. Bush fucked up. Admit it, and we can move the fuck on.

Since I didn't comment on him signing the flag I now will for you. He was a fucking moron for doing it. Period. I just simply brought up a point about how Clinton lied his ass off to people and they didn't give a shit and now these same people want to bash Bush over this.... I just find it to be dumb. Did you have a problem with you're fearless leader (Clinton) lying to you? I bet you didn't. If Clinton did this nobody would've said a word and if Bush did what Clinton did he woulda been out of office in 2 weeks. I just get annoyed how they are both treated differently. You can't deny that they aren't. If you must know I think that Bush is a complete idiot. He never did a single thing that I approved of until he started to drop bombs. You may think I'm a republican, but I'll never call myself one. My political views are very conservative (obvious), but in general I hate all politicians. They're all a bunch of liars, but I think the libs lie more. ;)

I just want to say I agree with sixate 100% and he said it better than I could. Even though he is a little harsh on Bush, Clinton and all politicians really.

wait a sec....why are we dragging clinton into this?

that poor man was miles away!

Yep, Clinton lied. That rat bastard. He got a hummer and didn't even tell us all about it. Oh dear. Whereas several hundred American deaths are the result of a series of Bush lies - not spin, not mistakes, lies - spread out over the last couple of years.

Yes, it's dumb. But it's exactly the sort of cheap-shot, photo-op punditry that liberals have been on the receiving end of for several years now. Personally, I find it mildly amusing, but no more than that. Besides, if we're gonna impeach George II, we might as well do it for a good reason, not something simple like signing a flag, or getting blown in the Oval Office.

Waitasec, isn't that what started the thread? Is that how this works, anything bad about Bush and all of a sudden you start in about Clinton? That's not exactly logical, now, is it?

I'd be interested to know just why you're so eager to forcibly displace people by means of highly energetic reduction-oxidation reactions. Just what is it that makes you say that Bush did everything wrong UNTIL he started spreading body parts across a significant portion of the Middle East?

Another question: did you, by any chance, serve?

My main concern here is the tendency to shout "No, look over here, Clinton was a liar back when he was in office" every time Bush is criticized on the board. I dislike that you assume I supported Clinton for lying, but I really don't see how it's at all pertinent to Bush signing a flag.
And "you're" means "you are," "your" means "your."
And, because I've wanted to say this ever since I ran into you: That big, loud and bald guy sure plays some real hardball. :)

I think its funny how anything a politician does is put under a magnifying glass... these people are just that PEOPLE... they make mistakes and have faults just like any other human being... if someone like say Bono from U2 signed the flag would anyone be making a big deal about it?

Yes.

First, I've already said a few times that I was just pointing out how Bush and Clinton are treated differently. If the shoes were reversed then this fucking flag signing shit wouldn't be an issue and we both know it.

I'll tell you why I'm "so eager to forcibly displace people by means of highly energetic reduction-oxidation reactions". Because I love to see weak ass ignorant dumb uneducated countries get blown to bits by my big badass country. We need to show the entire Middle East, who all support terrorists, that we won't take any shit. They fuck around and they die. As far as I'm concerned we didn't kill enough. If I was running the show there wouldn't be a living person in the entire Middle East. Bush is still a moron. I doubt that he even made the call on it.

Lastly, what the hell does me servinving anything have to do with my opinion?

Hehe. Trust me I know the difference. It was late as hell and I was tired, much like I am now. So if you see any retarded spelling mistakes try to ignore them. ;) Good to see you have a sense of humor among all the arguing.

Well I had to respond to that saying because quite honestly IMO really more than half of the people out there waving the flag aren't patriots but just people really high up in nationalism.

Its great having patriotism but then again most americans don't know what the difference between nationalism and patriotism is (hell some don't even know what nationalism is) so I guess I can't blame 'em - but it does really irk me that most use flag waving for the wrong things.

*sigh* where is that "who fucking cares" picture when you need it.

Personally, i do find it ironic that he was signing the flag, little/dinky or not, still its defacing it.

And i gotta agree with the_dude, buring a flag is a freedom of expression, its basically the same as burning the consitution to protest something(symbolizing we dont care about it) or whatever, but, still bush is quite the dumbfuck.

Why would a boyscout be expected to know something like this when an former Texas Air National Guard airman didn't?

*Me - who WAS a boyscout but never actually saluted the American flag (figure it out)*

Sixate:

I have one question to ask.

Is this, in fact, your honest opinion?

Serious question, yes-or-no answer.

Well would you rather see him write something on a flag or hear him talk: tough one.

Yeah, he should know better. Somebody might run that through a spell checker.

I love how people are still Clinton bashing. Every time a republican does something they only argument you get is well Clinton did this, Clinton did that. It makes me laugh. Clinton lied to try and not lose his wife. Most men would do the same. Was it wrong? Yes but not as bad you all make it out to be...so drop it. It is over, over by more than 2 years. Find a new argument.

Now about the subject at hand. I am sure we all agree that this is a pretty stupid thing to make a fuss over. Writing on the flag really isn't that big of a deal. The one thing that pisses me off about most people is that they cannot think about things from the other person’s position. If this was Clinton writing on a flag, you would be in an uproar about how unpatriotic he is and how he should be removed from office for it. So remember that when your defending Bush.

I really don't think it is a big deal. Yes, I knew the law about the flag. I think that was part of 4th grade American History. I understand though, he was being a celebrity and signing flags for fans. He wasn't thinking about laws at them time. Not a big deal. He has done worse.

Something interesting that I just found about the law that applies to this case.

LINKY



It looks like according to the law he didn't do shit wrong. The law basically says he can do whatever the fuck he wants. So how about we all STFU about this stupid topic....

And at the very end:
Can you forward me a link to this proclamation? Because it has to be a public one to the nation. He can't just change the rules by doing something that violates them.

Flag laws need to be repealed -- if someone is protesting, they should be able to burn, write on, chew and digest, or otherwise manipulate the flag as a symbol of the US.

As for Bush, that was pretty stupid of him. He should have signed their tits instead, like Clinton would have. :D

hehe

Wow.

Thats all i have to say.

I didn't think he was that bad of an idiot untill now.

This just fucking pisses me off i'm really to pissed off right now to

reply much to this thread. I'm big on flag credo. It angers me when people wear clothing with the american flag on it.

What a fucking douche bag

To clarify: You "love to see weak ass ignorant dumb uneducated countries get blown to bits by [your] big badass country."

:hmm:

Nothing personal here, but that's just about as small-minded and jingoistic an opinion as it has ever been my misfortune to come across. I'm quite sure you're a fine fellow and lots of fun at parties, and I'm certainly not about to tell you what to think or why you should think it.

But I do understand now a good part of why I find myself always in a position of having to apologize for my country whenever I'm abroad. And I can only hope that someday, you'll meet someone from or in another country who's bigger than you, stronger than you, and not quite as tolerant as I am.

Well heck,there's no women's panties for him to sign.

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I can see why Bush signed the flag, he thinks he plays on a sports team called Team America and he's the head coach.
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I wonder if he can spell potatoee.

Generally, it's bad policy to travel to a country that's hostile to the United States, unless it's France or something, ha cha cha cha cha!

Anyways, I agree with Six in the sense that it was a good idea we invaded ignorant pissant nations such as (but not limited to) Afghanistan and Iraq.

The funny thing is, you take my comment out of context. It's directed directly at all the countries in the Middle East who support terrorists (I thought I made that clear). Someone needs to take a stand againts them and I'm happy as hell that we are doing that.

Then the U.S. had best stop making these terrorists in the first place.

1. Modern Israel

2. Mujahadeen

3. Saddam

4. Pinochet

5. Uncle Ho

6. bin Laden

The enemy of my enemy is NOT necessarily my friend. Blowback shouldn't suprise us any longer

2Wolves
-bush spits

You didn't, actually. Your comment came in the context of dropping bombs in general. The Middle East wasn't mentioned. But now that you *do* mention it, I presume then that you also support invading Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Qatar, Oman, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Jordan, Palestine, and Israel. Hmm... I don't think I left anyone out. You see, it's not just governments who sponsor and support terror - it's the people, too. In fact, in most cases, the government has nothing to do with it, but terror happens anyway. So are you basically saying that we should reduce all of these countries to so much scorched earth, that we have some capacity to judge who supports terror and who does not? Are you okay with a little collateral damage? Are you cool with seeing women and children, doctors and teachers, artists and musicians put to the sword right alongside the ones who really are bad guys? And how d'you plan to separate the "bad guys," which is a small percentage of the population of the Middle East, from the ones who merely think we as a nation are a collection of walking scum, which is the rest of the population?

Sounds more to me like someone needs to take a stand against us.

I do travel a fair bit. I always seem to find myself apologizing for being an American. It's not just the Middle East that hates us, dude. It's a very non-trivial portion of the entire freaking world.

You favor invading someone because they're ignorant, or because they're a "pissant" nation?

so any country has to right to stand up, aka invade, "ignorant pissant nations"??

Most of my friends and family say they get a warmer response when they state they are Californians rather than Americans during their travels abroad.

Smooth:

I'll have to try that.

How about taking a stand against the "terrorists" in NI?

Or have they got too many "Special Interest" groups? Enough to ruin the "Special Relations" GB enjoy with the US?

(PS its not that Great).

But, the point of all this is, he defaced the "American Flag" - "Ol' Glory". And if section 2 of article 4 (fictional references) realises that it's ok for the "Executive Officer " to do this and "All Men Are Created Equal", why can't Osama, and Jerry, and Jim, do the same?

EDIT: All damnit, ALL!

The law regarding the desecration of the flag was overturned with Texas vs. Johnson (1989). Still, Bush should know better.

Well, I think that ererytime a media org. gets on TV and depicts a scene of gross negligence towards a US flag they should also show the folowing link... LINK


Sorry my spelling is atrocious, but I was educated in the US.

I wouldn't worry yourself about it if the world hates us, they hate each other too, always have.

I said I was in favor of invading Afghanistan and Iraq, it's just a coincidence they were ignorant pissant nations.

That's funny, If a Dem did that it'd be on the news in a heartbeat b/c a Rep. would say it was a crime!! Hilarious!

Quite a heated thread we've got here.

First off, I think Bush is an idiot extraordinaire; second, I could give a shit less what he signed, when he signed it, or if the autograph hound went home and rubbed the ink-stained flag all over his naughty bits.

There is far, far too much going on in this world for us to worry about where the president put a sharpie. The fact that this even made news makes me angry at our media because they chose this story over one which I'm sure carried more importance. This is what we should be angry about, not some factory worker creaming his pants over a misspelled presidential autograph.

If anyone actually checked out the link, the caption didn't make a fuss out of it at all. Bush is still an idiot though.

I couldn’t agree more. So is it a crime when you look on the flags we buy at Wal-Mart and they have a little "made in china" writing on them? There is far too much wrong with this administration than King GW the II signing flags. It was once said that you should choose your battles wisely and put fight into what needs to be fought for. With all the things going on its kind of disheartening to see people trying to use this as ammo against the Republican Party when there is so much more effective intelligent ammo out there.

Not a bright move. Surprise. I wonder if those American flag thongs crammed up people's asses are in regulation.

It's not desecration if they're hot.

the presidents signature can not be considered defacing, if the pope signed a bible would people be screaming about that

I'm pretty sure it's not a crime to sign a Flag, or fly it at night, or in the rain, or lower it without playing taps at noon...if anything they're guidelines, protocols if you will.

As usual this thread has turned into a battle of protocol violations. Hummers in the Oval office vs. Sharpies ink on a table top center piece. Lying under oath vs. murky intelligence references in a state of the union. Is there any other type of intelligence? Who the fuck wouldn't want a little knob slobbing at the ole office? I do have to question the judgement of his choice of 'moped' though :)

We've definately got to get a grip on things.

I wonder how the recipient of said autograph felt about it? While he might appreciate the vitriolic and utterly nonsensical references to 'defiling' and 'defacing' of said woven symbol (in this case probably plastic) I doubt he would concur with those two characterizations.

The value of that flag has probably gone through the roof since Bush will likely never sign another one :)

-b-

aaaah, what? John Paul/George...Bible/flag? Therefore not defacing? Must have skipped that day in school.

(neat that only ringo is missing, huh?)

That doesn't even LOOK like bush, good fucking god.

And for any of you who will call me on it, just take a loot at him. His hair looks totally different, style and color. He holds his head differently. What else? His suit looks like a POS old thing, prez gets nice and shiny suits. Obviously, it could be him but I'd doubt it.

You don't see the resembalance?

http://www.anvari.org/db/fun/World_T...ush_Monkey.jpg

:lol:

I see it!

Jesus Pimp, that's fucking hilarious!

He served in some form of military right? Don't they teach respect for the flag?

Frankly, it doesn't surprise me that President Bush signed the flag. But he still should be taken to task for it. It doesn't mean he should be impeached and isn't, in itself, a reason not to vote for him. However, anyone who wants to be President of the United States should know better. Even if it was not against the law, I would think that he would consider it disrespectful.

I have also got to say that Republicans have got to get over Clinton. Yes he spanked the Republicans for 8 years and they never seemed to be able to bring him down, no matter how hard they tried. It is amazing to me that the Rep. party is still running against him. It is the same vitriol that many Libs/Dems had for Nixon and they kept running against him and his parties excesses. They successfully ran a Carter who couldn't pull off a second campaign and thus began the Reagan/Bush era.

Actually, on second thought, keep running against Clinton rather that real issues. It might just help the Dems get back into the White House.