Kate Hudson should die
 

If you don't listen to Howard Stern then you probably haven't heard the latest thing hes been playing on Kate Hudson. So I will inform you of what an ignorant, anti-american bitch she is. She was doing some interview and was commenting on Americans vs. the French. She basically thinks the French are civilized and kind and Americans are "disgusting creatures". I can't remember the quote exactly so if anyone has it, post it. She is living in some fancy dancy hotel in France and probably never stepped outside the hotel lobby. Don't get me wrong, the French have their good and bad people, as do all countries. But she has probably never encountered any of the gypsies or been down to the train stations in France. For her to say that Americans are annoying, disgusting creatures unlike the civilized French people is absurd.

It absolutely puts me into a rage when Actors think they have all the answers. Just because they play a doctor or politician doesn't mean they ARE a doctor or politician. They are so fucking ignorant and I hate that we give them so much power but I like to be entertained and I suppose thats the price. What do you all think?

If you get a chance, try and tune in to Howard and you might catch the clip hes playing of her and you too will never want to see another one of her crappy-ass movies.

Well ok then.

I personally doing get involved in this whole USA vs France thing.

What's the point?

Howard Stern is the very definition of "disgusting uncivilized American", so Kate Hudson is right in a way. American trash culture that's spewed on TV and radio really needs to change. Do we honestly need another reality dating show or another loudmouth retard with a microphone that thinks he knows all the answers? The fact that Americans even watch this stuff is disheartening.

I must disagree with you in some aspects. I do agree that there is plenty of trash that has spawned on TV. However, if you ever watch TV in other countries, they are filled with the same crap. You can't point the finger at any one country and say "Only they are disgusting!". In regards to Howard Stern, if you were to listen to Howard Stern regularly you would know he openly acknowledges that he doesn't have all the answers. He merely gives his honest opinions that aren't subdued by any political agenda. He has strong patriotic opinions as he should because he lives in America and he is an American. He is honest and open to his listeners and that is respectable.

I was just pointing out that a young, uneducated actress (Kate Hudson) having the audacity to bad-mouth her own country (and the people) is despicable. She should move to France and never come back if she feels that way about America. Oh, America is so digusting but she has to have all the amenities that come with living in America.

I am not trying to start a flamewar but ever hear of something called freedom of speech?. A person that is a citizen of this country has the right to say something about their own country before they could say the same about another country. I am sure howie is blowing it out of proportion and exaggerating as well.. I would like to see the quote though.. maybe she did say something to that effect. if she doesnt like it here she should leave. Too many people like to piss and moan and bitch but dont want to do anything to take care of the problems..

*sigh* Look, just because you live in America doesn't mean you have to have strong patriotic feelings. Further, suggesting that someone should die for disagreeing with American policies is kind of ignorant. Come over to the politics board and swing away, but this is sort of the wrong spot for this.

It's better to appear a fool than open your mouth a prove it. Kate Hudson proved it.

She's free to say whatever she wants. I'm free to say she's a moron. I'm also free to never spend a dime on any movie she's in.

The point about Americans that bash other Americans to foreigners is that the bashers lived in this country, enjoyed its protections and freedoms, profited from its world-leading economy, and then trash it to foreigners because it's fashionable or popular to do so in that country....remember the Dixie Chicks? How about Alec Baldwin, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Jane Fonda, Sean Penn?

Talent or no talent, they can all get the hell out if they don't like it. Just don't ask us to pay to watch their movies any more. They probably don't want money from us disgusting, loud, unmannered people anyway.

I never suggested that there wasn't "uncivilized [insert country] trash" spewed on foreign television as well. Quality entertainment has been larely replaced with crappy reality TV shows around the world.

Howard Stern was on a local radio station for a few months and I have to disagree with you here. Stern does not listen to argument, he calls people idiots or loonies and hangs up on them. Stern and Savage and other shock-jock DJ clones should not be given respect for merely saying whatever they think will get a rise out of someone because they are "being open and honest".

I'm all in favor of people moving out of countries which they don't like.

this is just like the dixie chicks thing, WHO teh fuck cares what she says.

personally, i dont listen to dixie chicks or kate hudson for my political info.

They don't like it thats why they want to (try) and change it.

Fact of the matter is, you people saying they should just move out only proves you want to look like fools too. Yes some may seem to deserve moving out because they really are idiots, but the fact of the matter is, they get the choice and they have a chance to change things too. Voice in the gov't anyone?

While I can say that many celebrities should STFU because they really don't know all the answers - I will say that I have to respect the fact they are using their voice (even if its stupid routes but thats one's own opinion) - and people who say they should just leave the country... well.. thats more un-american than anythign they're doing by voicing their views.

I've heard of freedom of speech, unlike yourself I also know what it means. You're free to say what you like, but everyone else reserves the right to call you a dumbass, because they also have that right.

Look. I didn't mean to start up a debate on the freedom of speech. Yes, we all have it. Yes we can all use it. I feel strongly that actors and actresses get paid way too much money and have too much power because we give it to them. They make millions upon millions of dollars for reading other people lines. Thats ok. I can accept that. However, I feel that they have a responsibility to behave appropiately. It comes with the territory of making millions of dollars for reading lines whether they want it or not. Being scrutinized by the public and the paparazzi is also part of the territory. However, bad-mouthing you and me in another country is shameful and despicable. She was addressing all of you and me when she called us "disgusting creatures". That is offensive and inappropiate. If you call yourself an American, than she was calling you a "disgusting creature". Does she have the right. Yes. Does that mean she should? I don't think so. Do you walk down the street and start bad-mouthing and calling people despicable names because you feel like it? Probably not because its rude. I don't appreciate being called a "disgusting creature" at all. If bringing this up makes one person never see any of her movies again then great. I respect all of your opinions.

Oh..and Kadath. You are right. She shouldn't die. The title was a bit far-fetched. She should suffer from extremem diarrea for months instead.

I hear that back in the day in Italy they'd force people to drink castor oil, and they'd literally shit themselves to death.

yes, u have the right.

but you are definately wrong in telling her to

- Lord Humungus

Telling someone to move out because they're an ingrateful whore does not impede on anyones right to freedom of speech. The morality is of saying so is arguable, to say the least. There's nothing definate about it.

Re: Kate Hudson should die
 

There are plenty of things worth getting into a rage about, but the opinion of one dumb actor isn't one of them. Anyway, rage is just what Howard wants out of you; translates to better ratings for him. Don't be manipulated.

who is kate hudson?

Goldie Hawn's daughter who needs it :D while staring at the american flag for a bit.

I couldn't agree more. If you hate all of us Americans... Get the fuck outa my wonderful country and never fucking come back you dumb bitch! Go live in France since she obviously thinks it's better over there. I am a loyal Stern listener and I agree with him about 99% of the time. He is absolutely 100% correct in this situation.

If I were to specify a quote that best identified the persona that sixate chose to portray here, this would be it.

And I'm very proud of my persona. Thank you for the compliment! :)

It was neither a compliment nor a slight, simply an observation, but I laud you for your pride and confidence in yourself. :)

If America doesn't want Kate Hudson, I do :)

An American can have anti-American sentiments because it is America and they have the freedom to do so. I don't care that much about people's political opinions. Its hard to think of that stuff when you are with people and having fun.

Kate Hudson really is cute, isn't she?

Don't know who she is.

Don't care who she is.

You mean everybody doesn't listen to their favorite celebrity for politcal opinion?????

I find it ironic that the very ignorant disgusting creatures her little tirade was about are the exact demographic she whores out her acting "talent" to attract. And on a ignorant disgusting creature's radio show to boot.

She's entitled to her opinion, of that there is no question. She can stick her head up her ass just like the rest of us ignorant disgusting creatures. :hmm:

I find it wonderfully ironic to hear people extol the glory of Free America and then rant on about how some celebrity or another should STFU or get out of the country. See the contradiction?

You want a free country? It involves people who don't agree with you saying so! Deal with it.

Re: Kate Hudson should die
 

Huh.. She was asked a question, and she simply answered it. Just because you disagree with her doesn't mean that she's ignorant.

Actors are just members of the "ignorant uncivilized masses" who are in the spotlight. :D

I think my problem with these actors( comedians, etc.) that make these statements has nothing to do with their message.

My problem is, through their occupation, they are given a platform to which the masses do not have access. We would not know her opinion, were it not for her starring in a few movies. Consequently, I think it is an abuse of your occupation when you are paid to entertain and instead use your position to forward your own political agenda.

I have a vote, and that is basically all I have, with the exception of Internet Forums. Kate Hudson should use her vote to civilize America, and use her voice in the media spotlight to tell us who she is sleeping with and what it was like to be raised as Goldie Hawn's daughter, etc.

I guess what I find funny about all of this is that so many conservatives say "Don't listen to those stupid celebrities, they're just using their fame to spout their anti-american propaganda".

Of course, there's either a deafening silence or a great well of back-patting and general agreement when one of those celebrities happens to say something that those same conservatives happen to agree with.

Case in point: Howard Stern. Also see: Dennis Miller.

While I don't need to mention how monstrously hypocritical this is, I do feel the need to mention the venom this debate over patriotism has injected into the national dialogue. All of a sudden, you can't disagree with the government without being labeled "unpatriotic." Let me make one thing perfectly clear: dissent is perhaps the single most patriotic form of speech. What's harder, to go along with the rest of the cattle or to actually care enough about what happens to your country to step up and say, "Hey, this isn't right"?

Without dissent, there is no discourse, and without discourse, there is no freedom. Without freedom, there is totalitarianism. It frightens me the distance we have traveled down this road, all in the short space of two years.

Or perhaps, Teddy Roosevelt said it best: "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president.. is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonous to the American public."

Please do not assume that I am a Conservative because of my post. That is unfair.

If Kate Hudson used her moment in front of the camera to promote her favorite charity, her favorite car company, her favorite make-up, whatever, I disagree with it - only because it is an unfair advantage to those WITH a dissenting opinion.

If you agree or disagree with Kate Hudson, you can not possibly reach the same masses with a message because you aren't in a movie and Goldie Hawn's daughter - that has NOTHING to do with what the message is.

Cimarron29414:

I'm not assuming you're a conservative. I don't know where you lean. I was remarking upon the general trend in this country.

I agree that Kate Hudson had an unfair advantage, but then so does Dennis Miller. Fact is, we created that unfair advantage, we, all of us - because we gave celebrities that much power in the first place. Simpler, perhaps, to just accept that this is one person's opinion, and to let them have it without calling them a communist or worse.

what about wishing death upon them?

I find is amusing that people get their panties in a knot over celebrities. Why does it bother people so much when a celeb says something that they don't agree with? Is it because they are jealous? More power to her for voicing her opinion, whatever it might be.

My wishing death on someone affects their ability to speak freely without the government interfering? They still have their rights, even if people wish they were dead.

Phaenx:

But then, it would be unpatriotic of me to say that I wish Barbara Bush had been born sterile, right? What if I wish that Ronald Reagan had had a brain hemorrhage and keeled over in 1952? Or that George II were dead? C'mon, let's find the level of this here debate.

I guess the main issue that irriates me is really the abuse of power someone like Kate Hudson takes advantage of. She knows the whole world is listening because its played for the whole world (not literally but you know what I mean). Do I walk down the street and yell at everyone that they are disgusting creatures because I feel like? There is no class involved with an action like that and its downright rude. If you heard they way she said it too, ugh. Its like its a big joke to her calling us all disgusting creatures. Its her right. Yes. I agree. But I still stand firm that just because its her right, doesn't mean she should call us all "disgusting creatures". Unless you think you are. Do you? Does aynone here honestly feel they are an "annoying. disgusting creature"? Im pretty geeky and proud of that but I ain't a digusting, annoying creature. Thats all I'm saying. That bitch needs to bite her tongue and not call me names just because she thinks shes all fucking high and mighty up there on her little pedestal. She doesn't know shit except how to order roomservice. She has no clue what French people are really like because shes never stepped foot out of her spoonfed little household. So I say, Fuck her for calling us all "annoying, disgusting creatures"! I won't be contributing to any her nights in those fancy dancy hotels eating her fucking corn flakes.

ps. I love you all

You all seem to think that just because she is an actress that no one will listen to her... or think that just because they are a band no one will listen....

MTV's rock the vote ring a bell?? they signed up thousands of voters just because they are MTV.

How about when when an Actor/Actress does something incredibly stupid on TV or in a movie and some kid does it and gets hurt, Thousands upon thousands of people hold the movie or actor/ess responsible for the child getting hurt... words can be even more leading than actions..

my .02 cents

LordHumungus:

Absolutely, you're entitled to disagree with her. Wonderful. I didn't even see it, and I probably disagree with her too. My problem is that this thread has become a referendum upon Kate Hudson's patriotism, and that's quite frankly ridiculous.

Note also that I take issue with your contention that she "should die". Please see my earlier post and a few others in this thread for more details. You can disagree all you like, but calling for someone - anyone - to die for stating their opinion is rather reprehensible.

It was attitudes like Kate Hudsons and the Chick with Dicks... I mean the Chixie Dicks... I mean the Dixie Chicks that got our boys spit on when they came back from VietNam... something that sickens me to this day... you may not be supportive of the war but at least be supportive of our troops who had the balls to serve instead of run away.

Three points:

One, I resent the implication that I somehow "ran away". I registered for Selective Service, as do all American men, at age 18. If called, I would have served. I would have done so perhaps unwillingly, but I would have served. Tell me, did you serve in uniform? I'm genuinely curious now. And how do you feel about George W. Bush's having gone AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard?

Two, if those attitudes to which you refer were truly that common, then perhaps more attention should have been paid to the dissent in this country rather than marginalizing it and outright ignoring it. The same goes for right now. The alternative is totalitarianism, the essence of groupthink. You may disagree with those "attitudes", but that makes them no less valid than your own. And it's quite obvious that the Dixie Chicks aren't alone in their opinions.

Three: I do not support this war, but I do support our troops. Specifically, I mourn for all those killed and I want each and every one of the rest back home, whole and healthy. That's the purest form of support that can ever be offered.

None of your arguments, though, offer any justification for the treatment of dissenters in America. There *is* no valid justification for the marginalization of any opinion here in America. It's that whole "all men are created equal" thing.

Having read up about the circumstances surrounding his AWOL status I don't think it amounts to anything other then Bush is a goof ass. He claims a request for leave was made and his immediate superiors approved it, but it was denied by their superiors, this happened while he was helping with the campaign for his father running for governer I believe.

(Here's an article regarding it)

And that's coming from a liberal.

Actually, it wasn't his father's gubernatorial campaign. His father was with the CIA by that time. In fact, it was for another conservative, in Alabama. And there is no record of him being granted leave - only that he failed to show for a phyisical and drug test and had his flight status revoked.

My question remains, though: how does this make you feel about supporting Bush on military matters, given that he did "run away"?

I can guarantee you that if it had been Clinton, we'd have never heard the end of it.

Kate Hudson is an actress. Her views will not shape this country or any other country. She has the right to say whatever she pleases, just as I do. If you could speak your views on television you would anger many people also.

UT and A&M do it all the time, so I wouldn't sweat it :D

well, even if they do, they dont mean it.

Well, Clinton did run to Canada and was a fugitive from the law when he ran for governer of Arkansas, and got Carter to give him a pardon, but that's beside the point.

I always had trust in Bush in his handling of our military even though you claim what he did was "run away." I knew about this way before we even went into Afghanistan.

How would you characterize Bush's term of service, if not as "running away?" It feels like people need something to believe in, someone to follow, and they can't accept or acknowledge any flaw or weakness in that leader, so they wave them away. Can you elaborate on why you've had trust in Bush for so long?

It certainly wasn't a stellar service record. By all accounts he was fairly irresponsible, but in no way was he "running away." If you want running away, talk with your boyo Clinton, who literally "ran away."

again, PLZ dont drag clinton into where he is not needed!!

Oh, but he is. Don't get mad now that my point is this line of questioning is hypocritical. Which has ironically been a liberal spearhead for accusations lately.

This has nothing to do with the war. I am a proud American, but there are many of us who are extremely obnoxious. And Germans who come to the US are terrible dressers - sandals with black socks and shorts? Hey, nobody is perfect.

Hudson is a snob, but didn't say anything horrible. This is just an overreaction. The Dixie Chicks knocked Bush...come on...please - I think he's a decent president, but he clearly is not the brains of the operation. Listen to him speak, then listen to an articulate speaker like Tony Blair and see why some people might be "embarrassed" by Bush. It was certainly OK to knock Clinton - of whom I am no fan - for all those years without being un-American. Given the war and everything, it was a dumb thing to say, but again, this is such an overreaction.

God bless the brave troops who face grave danger every second of every day. Thanks to you all!

...quick, look over here, clinton, blah blah blah don't think about bush and what he does, clinton got head, he did worse than bush, he's worse than bush, bush isn't as bad as that guy you liberals liked...

Actually, it's quite germane. I didn't have complete trust of Clinton in military matters because he didn't serve. The point here is that Bush did, in plain fact, go AWOL and hasn't been called on it. Clinton, well, you heard an awful lot about it - 10,000 articles and more - when he was running for President. And there you have it: the double standard. Your willingness to trust a deserter to act as commander-in-chief is evidence of that.

Everyone takes what actors say with a grain of salt, because of the power and the prestige they have. They can't ever be truly down to earth because they are with people who hide behind their money. Hudson has a right to say what she wants, buts she has to know that most people don't give a crap what she says anyways.

ctembreull:

In regards to Kate Hudson dying; I did state after the fact that my "title" was a bit far-fetched. It was more an expression of my disgust for her not to be taken literally. However, if she did die, I wouldn't shed a tear.

You are sumarian, you will not be upset, so I will be upset for you! *flames light the sky*

I didn't bring it up, so hush =).

He hasn't been called on it because it's silly political spin fodder. He did return to his Texas guard unit and served until he requested an honorable discharge, which he recieved. He was an excellent pilot, he did indeed serve, and he doesn't even run the military by himself. Why shouldn't I trust him with the military? Did we lose the last two wars? Sure didn't, he's doing a fine job.

LOL!!

those wars were against enemies with 1/10000th our strength.

if u're gonna rate a president on winning wars like that, i'm sure that i can be a good prez.

It's every single bit as relevant as Clinton's Vietnam years. It also calls into question his fitness for the office - just as Clinton's draft-dodging did. So again, why hasn't he been called on it?


He never actually returned to his unit. And he was given an honorable discharge eight full months before his term of service was to end. The entire thing is shot through with evidence of political patronage and string-pulling.

And the question of whether or not we lost the last two wars is misleading at best, or a strawman argument. We supposedly went into Afghanistan to capture Osama bin Laden "dead or alive." We have not done so. We ostensibly went into Iraq to disarm that nation of weapons of mass destruction. We have not done so; we have not even found said weapons.

The question of victory is always shaped by the political objectives of a war. We have not met those objectives; at best, we have not lost these wars, but we have not concluded them, either.

Hey, the opposition here is making their case that he's a bad military leader by lying about an insignificant occurance 25 years ago.

I can't reply to your Clinton statement on the grounds that every time I do I'm accused of redirecting blame. Just kidding. I honestly didn't care about his draft dodging when he was running for office because I wanted to vote for other people for so many different reasons. What Clinton did was criminal, what Bush did was stupid, this is why he hasn't been called on it, because no matter what the democrats accuse the Republicans of, they know what their guy did was worse.

Whether he returned or didn't is not certain, Ctembruel. It's very likely there was string-pulling going on, but we're discussing whether or not what Bush did was desertion, and it's not, he served and was legally discharged.

That's so very moot my hands are starting to hurt thinking about how much arguing we'd type for the next 30 pages if I got into it. I'll just say that we're not done in both places, but if we were to leave now I would still think of them as victories.

I would like to bring us back to the overriding question of Kate Hudson.

Let's not start recounting Florida ballots.

Well, there's nothing left to say about Hudson. Humungus already retracted his wish for her death, and we're all in agreement that people are allowed to have opinions, and celebrities are going to use their position in the spotlight to express how they feel. Nothing much more to discuss about Kate, really.

My last word on the topic:

Phaenx: All the information you will require on the topic of going AWOL is right here

Everyone else:
On Kate Hudson: Her opinion, her right to use her time in the spotlight to use it. Your right to disagree with her. Not your right to call her unpatriotic nor to wish her death. At least not publicly. You can think it as long, as hard, and as loudly as you want, but stating so in public is, well, beyond the pale.

Actors and actresses can have opinions too. If it isn't yours, don't get all mad. Watch an actor who has your opinion if it means that much to you.

I will personally watch any actor/actress that is good at what they do. I don't care about their opinions. People who do and get all mad and verbally abusive about it *probably* (as in maybe but not definately) have the same mindset as those who burn witches. That mindset would be:
"They are different, kill (or get rid of) them!"

I personally like to see Kate Hudson. I think she is adorable and all kinds of cute. I also think Dennis Miller is funny. Who cares what they think, as long as I am entertained :)

She said ''Sometimes I'll be walking down the street and I'll hear some American and I'll just go, 'Of course they hate us, of course they can't stand us. We're the most annoying, boisterous creatures in the world.' I mean we come in and we eat mounds of food, and we're like, 'Where's the ketchup for our French fries.' I'm like, 'Shut up.''

I am not positive if this was the interview in its entirety. I don't see the term "disgusting creatures" here, but maybe she said it in some other part. If this is the entire disparagement, I'm not as upset about it as I was initially. She just sounds like an annoying boisterous creature to me. Is she American, by any chance?

Uhh because we're the winners in the game of the world and france are a bunch of pussy losers.

Yeah your really good with riding them bikes huh? Let a guy with one testical own you.

Must suck now that we own Iraq, to bad you can't steal their oil any more.

God i hate the french they're a useless country.

You do realise that 1 testicle would make no difference for bike riding right? Infact no testicles would be an advantage. Having only 1 might also be an advantage. It means you won't be uncomfortable and have your nuts squished while biking for hours.

Kate Hudson should live. We all agreed on that. I didn't know who her mother was until this thread, interesting. She doesn't look like her mom.

Only have one thing to say - American plumbing far superior to French. (Except for low water volume toilets. But nobody is perfect.)

I don't understand that one bit. I just know that what you say is true in the literal sense. American toilets have no power.

Japanese toilets are something to brag about. Let me tell you!

I've seen those japanese toilets. Those are... yeah, don't use those.

To everyone on this board who hates people for speaking their mind, I have some important information for you:
OUR COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE. One of the foundations for the formation of our "great nation" was the fact that we can speak out against the government. So, the next time that you spout your opinion on someone else's opinion, remember that you are exercising the very same right that the person you are against has used.

kate hudson is still a dumb bitch and can kiss my ass.

I think Rush Limbaugh should just shut the fuck up. Just because he has a microphone and is nationally syndicated doesn't mean he has all the answers. I mean, does the blowhard even have any education beyond high school? Does he have any experience serving in the military? Has he ever held elected office. Hell, has he even ever acted before in a bona fide Hollywood movie? What gives him the right to hold an opinion? Why should he be given an unfair advantage over the rest of us to spread his message? - - however ignorant or inaccurate it may be. [I am on topic, right?]

That doesn't mean they had to like each other. They ALSO didn't say "I hate this place. Bye, I'm going to France."