Kate Hudson should die (caveat:I just wish she would shut up) - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Lord Humungus · 07-25-2003, 08:25 AM

If you don't listen to Howard Stern then you probably haven't heard the latest thing hes been playing on Kate Hudson. So I will inform you of what an ignorant, anti-american bitch she is. She was doing some interview and was commenting on Americans vs. the French. She basically thinks the French are civilized and kind and Americans are "disgusting creatures". I can't remember the quote exactly so if anyone has it, post it. She is living in some fancy dancy hotel in France and probably never stepped outside the hotel lobby. Don't get me wrong, the French have their good and bad people, as do all countries. But she has probably never encountered any of the gypsies or been down to the train stations in France. For her to say that Americans are annoying, disgusting creatures unlike the civilized French people is absurd.

It absolutely puts me into a rage when Actors think they have all the answers. Just because they play a doctor or politician doesn't mean they ARE a doctor or politician. They are so fucking ignorant and I hate that we give them so much power but I like to be entertained and I suppose thats the price. What do you all think?

If you get a chance, try and tune in to Howard and you might catch the clip hes playing of her and you too will never want to see another one of her crappy-ass movies.

MadShinji · 07-25-2003, 08:27 AM

Well ok then.

I personally doing get involved in this whole USA vs France thing.

What's the point?

seretogis · 07-25-2003, 08:39 AM

Howard Stern is the very definition of "disgusting uncivilized American", so Kate Hudson is right in a way. American trash culture that's spewed on TV and radio really needs to change. Do we honestly need another reality dating show or another loudmouth retard with a microphone that thinks he knows all the answers? The fact that Americans even watch this stuff is disheartening.

Lord Humungus · 07-25-2003, 08:54 AM

I must disagree with you in some aspects. I do agree that there is plenty of trash that has spawned on TV. However, if you ever watch TV in other countries, they are filled with the same crap. You can't point the finger at any one country and say "Only they are disgusting!". In regards to Howard Stern, if you were to listen to Howard Stern regularly you would know he openly acknowledges that he doesn't have all the answers. He merely gives his honest opinions that aren't subdued by any political agenda. He has strong patriotic opinions as he should because he lives in America and he is an American. He is honest and open to his listeners and that is respectable.

I was just pointing out that a young, uneducated actress (Kate Hudson) having the audacity to bad-mouth her own country (and the people) is despicable. She should move to France and never come back if she feels that way about America. Oh, America is so digusting but she has to have all the amenities that come with living in America.

LHFire · 07-25-2003, 09:26 AM

I am not trying to start a flamewar but ever hear of something called freedom of speech?. A person that is a citizen of this country has the right to say something about their own country before they could say the same about another country. I am sure howie is blowing it out of proportion and exaggerating as well.. I would like to see the quote though.. maybe she did say something to that effect. if she doesnt like it here she should leave. Too many people like to piss and moan and bitch but dont want to do anything to take care of the problems..

Kadath · 07-25-2003, 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by Lord Humungus
I must disagree with you in some aspects. I do agree that there is plenty of trash that has spawned on TV. However, if you ever watch TV in other countries, they are filled with the same crap. You can't point the finger at any one country and say "Only they are disgusting!". In regards to Howard Stern, if you were to listen to Howard Stern regularly you would know he openly acknowledges that he doesn't have all the answers. He merely gives his honest opinions that aren't subdued by any political agenda. He has strong patriotic opinions as he should because he lives in America and he is an American. He is honest and open to his listeners and that is respectable.

I was just pointing out that a young, uneducated actress (Kate Hudson) having the audacity to bad-mouth her own country (and the people) is despicable. She should move to France and never come back if she feels that way about America. Oh, America is so digusting but she has to have all the amenities that come with living in America.

*sigh* Look, just because you live in America doesn't mean you have to have strong patriotic feelings. Further, suggesting that someone should die for disagreeing with American policies is kind of ignorant. Come over to the politics board and swing away, but this is sort of the wrong spot for this.

FastShark85 · 07-25-2003, 10:43 AM

It's better to appear a fool than open your mouth a prove it. Kate Hudson proved it.

She's free to say whatever she wants. I'm free to say she's a moron. I'm also free to never spend a dime on any movie she's in.

The point about Americans that bash other Americans to foreigners is that the bashers lived in this country, enjoyed its protections and freedoms, profited from its world-leading economy, and then trash it to foreigners because it's fashionable or popular to do so in that country....remember the Dixie Chicks? How about Alec Baldwin, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Jane Fonda, Sean Penn?

Talent or no talent, they can all get the hell out if they don't like it. Just don't ask us to pay to watch their movies any more. They probably don't want money from us disgusting, loud, unmannered people anyway.

seretogis · 07-25-2003, 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by Lord Humungus
I must disagree with you in some aspects. I do agree that there is plenty of trash that has spawned on TV. However, if you ever watch TV in other countries, they are filled with the same crap. You can't point the finger at any one country and say "Only they are disgusting!".

I never suggested that there wasn't "uncivilized [insert country] trash" spewed on foreign television as well. Quality entertainment has been larely replaced with crappy reality TV shows around the world.

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Originally posted by Lord Humungus
In regards to Howard Stern, if you were to listen to Howard Stern regularly you would know he openly acknowledges that he doesn't have all the answers. He merely gives his honest opinions that aren't subdued by any political agenda. He has strong patriotic opinions as he should because he lives in America and he is an American. He is honest and open to his listeners and that is respectable.

Howard Stern was on a local radio station for a few months and I have to disagree with you here. Stern does not listen to argument, he calls people idiots or loonies and hangs up on them. Stern and Savage and other shock-jock DJ clones should not be given respect for merely saying whatever they think will get a rise out of someone because they are "being open and honest".

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Originally posted by Lord Humungus
I was just pointing out that a young, uneducated actress (Kate Hudson) having the audacity to bad-mouth her own country (and the people) is despicable. She should move to France and never come back if she feels that way about America. Oh, America is so digusting but she has to have all the amenities that come with living in America.

I'm all in favor of people moving out of countries which they don't like.

The_Dude · 07-25-2003, 04:40 PM

this is just like the dixie chicks thing, WHO teh fuck cares what she says.

personally, i dont listen to dixie chicks or kate hudson for my political info.

Zeld2.0 · 07-25-2003, 04:43 PM

They don't like it thats why they want to (try) and change it.

Fact of the matter is, you people saying they should just move out only proves you want to look like fools too. Yes some may seem to deserve moving out because they really are idiots, but the fact of the matter is, they get the choice and they have a chance to change things too. Voice in the gov't anyone?

While I can say that many celebrities should STFU because they really don't know all the answers - I will say that I have to respect the fact they are using their voice (even if its stupid routes but thats one's own opinion) - and people who say they should just leave the country... well.. thats more un-american than anythign they're doing by voicing their views.

Phaenx · 07-25-2003, 05:48 PM

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I am not trying to start a flamewar but ever hear of something called freedom of speech?. A person that is a citizen of this country has the right to say something about their own country before they could say the same about another country. I am sure howie is blowing it out of proportion and exaggerating as well.. I would like to see the quote though.. maybe she did say something to that effect. if she doesnt like it here she should leave. Too many people like to piss and moan and bitch but dont want to do anything to take care of the problems..

I've heard of freedom of speech, unlike yourself I also know what it means. You're free to say what you like, but everyone else reserves the right to call you a dumbass, because they also have that right.

Lord Humungus · 07-25-2003, 06:34 PM

Look. I didn't mean to start up a debate on the freedom of speech. Yes, we all have it. Yes we can all use it. I feel strongly that actors and actresses get paid way too much money and have too much power because we give it to them. They make millions upon millions of dollars for reading other people lines. Thats ok. I can accept that. However, I feel that they have a responsibility to behave appropiately. It comes with the territory of making millions of dollars for reading lines whether they want it or not. Being scrutinized by the public and the paparazzi is also part of the territory. However, bad-mouthing you and me in another country is shameful and despicable. She was addressing all of you and me when she called us "disgusting creatures". That is offensive and inappropiate. If you call yourself an American, than she was calling you a "disgusting creature". Does she have the right. Yes. Does that mean she should? I don't think so. Do you walk down the street and start bad-mouthing and calling people despicable names because you feel like it? Probably not because its rude. I don't appreciate being called a "disgusting creature" at all. If bringing this up makes one person never see any of her movies again then great. I respect all of your opinions.

Oh..and Kadath. You are right. She shouldn't die. The title was a bit far-fetched. She should suffer from extremem diarrea for months instead.

Phaenx · 07-25-2003, 06:51 PM

I hear that back in the day in Italy they'd force people to drink castor oil, and they'd literally shit themselves to death.

The_Dude · 07-25-2003, 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
I've heard of freedom of speech, unlike yourself I also know what it means. You're free to say what you like, but everyone else reserves the right to call you a dumbass, because they also have that right.

yes, u have the right.

but you are definately wrong in telling her to

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She should move to France and never come back if she feels that way about America

- Lord Humungus

Phaenx · 07-25-2003, 07:19 PM

Telling someone to move out because they're an ingrateful whore does not impede on anyones right to freedom of speech. The morality is of saying so is arguable, to say the least. There's nothing definate about it.

Rodney · 07-25-2003, 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by Lord Humungus

It absolutely puts me into a rage when Actors think they have all the answers. Just because they play a doctor or politician doesn't mean they ARE a doctor or politician. They are so fucking ignorant and I hate that we give them so much power but I like to be entertained and I suppose thats the price. What do you all think?

If you get a chance, try and tune in to Howard and you might catch the clip hes playing of her and you too will never want to see another one of her crappy-ass movies.

There are plenty of things worth getting into a rage about, but the opinion of one dumb actor isn't one of them. Anyway, rage is just what Howard wants out of you; translates to better ratings for him. Don't be manipulated.

Ace_of_Lobster · 07-25-2003, 07:42 PM

who is kate hudson?

reconmike · 07-25-2003, 08:03 PM

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Originally posted by Ace_of_Lobster
who is kate hudson?

Goldie Hawn's daughter who needs it

while staring at the american flag for a bit.

sixate · 07-25-2003, 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by Lord Humungus
I was just pointing out that a young, uneducated actress (Kate Hudson) having the audacity to bad-mouth her own country (and the people) is despicable. She should move to France and never come back if she feels that way about America. Oh, America is so digusting but she has to have all the amenities that come with living in America.

I couldn't agree more. If you hate all of us Americans... Get the fuck outa my wonderful country and never fucking come back you dumb bitch! Go live in France since she obviously thinks it's better over there. I am a loyal Stern listener and I agree with him about 99% of the time. He is absolutely 100% correct in this situation.

Kadath · 07-25-2003, 09:11 PM

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I couldn't agree more. If you hate all of us Americans... Get the fuck outa my wonderful country and never fucking come back you dumb bitch! Go live in France since she obviously thinks it's better over there. I am a loyal Stern listener and I agree with him about 99% of the time. He is absolutely 100% correct in this situation.

If I were to specify a quote that best identified the persona that sixate chose to portray here, this would be it.

sixate · 07-25-2003, 09:21 PM

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If I were to specify a quote that best identified the persona that sixate chose to portray here, this would be it.

And I'm very proud of my persona. Thank you for the compliment!

Kadath · 07-25-2003, 09:52 PM

It was neither a compliment nor a slight, simply an observation, but I laud you for your pride and confidence in yourself.

hobo · 07-25-2003, 10:21 PM

If America doesn't want Kate Hudson, I do

An American can have anti-American sentiments because it is America and they have the freedom to do so. I don't care that much about people's political opinions. Its hard to think of that stuff when you are with people and having fun.

Kate Hudson really is cute, isn't she?

Lebell · 07-25-2003, 11:02 PM

Don't know who she is.

Don't care who she is.

guthmund · 07-25-2003, 11:51 PM

You mean everybody doesn't listen to their favorite celebrity for politcal opinion?????

I find it ironic that the very ignorant disgusting creatures her little tirade was about are the exact demographic she whores out her acting "talent" to attract. And on a ignorant disgusting creature's radio show to boot.

She's entitled to her opinion, of that there is no question. She can stick her head up her ass just like the rest of us ignorant disgusting creatures.

samcat · 07-26-2003, 05:16 AM

I find it wonderfully ironic to hear people extol the glory of Free America and then rant on about how some celebrity or another should STFU or get out of the country. See the contradiction?

You want a free country? It involves people who don't agree with you saying so! Deal with it.

ninety09 · 07-26-2003, 06:46 AM

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Originally posted by Lord Humungus
It absolutely puts me into a rage when Actors think they have all the answers. Just because they play a doctor or politician doesn't mean they ARE a doctor or politician. They are so fucking ignorant and I hate that we give them so much power but I like to be entertained and I suppose thats the price. What do you all think?

Huh.. She was asked a question, and she simply answered it. Just because you disagree with her doesn't mean that she's ignorant.

seretogis · 07-26-2003, 07:08 AM

Actors are just members of the "ignorant uncivilized masses" who are in the spotlight.

Cimarron29414 · 07-26-2003, 10:45 AM

I think my problem with these actors( comedians, etc.) that make these statements has nothing to do with their message.

My problem is, through their occupation, they are given a platform to which the masses do not have access. We would not know her opinion, were it not for her starring in a few movies. Consequently, I think it is an abuse of your occupation when you are paid to entertain and instead use your position to forward your own political agenda.

I have a vote, and that is basically all I have, with the exception of Internet Forums. Kate Hudson should use her vote to civilize America, and use her voice in the media spotlight to tell us who she is sleeping with and what it was like to be raised as Goldie Hawn's daughter, etc.

ctembreull · 07-26-2003, 11:19 AM

I guess what I find funny about all of this is that so many conservatives say "Don't listen to those stupid celebrities, they're just using their fame to spout their anti-american propaganda".

Of course, there's either a deafening silence or a great well of back-patting and general agreement when one of those celebrities happens to say something that those same conservatives happen to agree with.

Case in point: Howard Stern. Also see: Dennis Miller.

While I don't need to mention how monstrously hypocritical this is, I do feel the need to mention the venom this debate over patriotism has injected into the national dialogue. All of a sudden, you can't disagree with the government without being labeled "unpatriotic." Let me make one thing perfectly clear: dissent is perhaps the single most patriotic form of speech. What's harder, to go along with the rest of the cattle or to actually care enough about what happens to your country to step up and say, "Hey, this isn't right"?

Without dissent, there is no discourse, and without discourse, there is no freedom. Without freedom, there is totalitarianism. It frightens me the distance we have traveled down this road, all in the short space of two years.

Or perhaps, Teddy Roosevelt said it best: "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president.. is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonous to the American public."

Cimarron29414 · 07-26-2003, 11:30 AM

Please do not assume that I am a Conservative because of my post. That is unfair.

If Kate Hudson used her moment in front of the camera to promote her favorite charity, her favorite car company, her favorite make-up, whatever, I disagree with it - only because it is an unfair advantage to those WITH a dissenting opinion.

If you agree or disagree with Kate Hudson, you can not possibly reach the same masses with a message because you aren't in a movie and Goldie Hawn's daughter - that has NOTHING to do with what the message is.

ctembreull · 07-26-2003, 12:42 PM

Cimarron29414:

I'm not assuming you're a conservative. I don't know where you lean. I was remarking upon the general trend in this country.

I agree that Kate Hudson had an unfair advantage, but then so does Dennis Miller. Fact is, we created that unfair advantage, we, all of us - because we gave celebrities that much power in the first place. Simpler, perhaps, to just accept that this is one person's opinion, and to let them have it without calling them a communist or worse.

The_Dude · 07-26-2003, 01:25 PM

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Telling someone to move out because they're an ingrateful whore does not impede on anyones right to freedom of speech. The morality is of saying so is arguable, to say the least. There's nothing definate about it.

what about wishing death upon them?

splck · 07-26-2003, 01:43 PM

I find is amusing that people get their panties in a knot over celebrities. Why does it bother people so much when a celeb says something that they don't agree with? Is it because they are jealous? More power to her for voicing her opinion, whatever it might be.

Phaenx · 07-26-2003, 01:55 PM

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what about wishing death upon them?

My wishing death on someone affects their ability to speak freely without the government interfering? They still have their rights, even if people wish they were dead.

ctembreull · 07-26-2003, 02:01 PM

Phaenx:

But then, it would be unpatriotic of me to say that I wish Barbara Bush had been born sterile, right? What if I wish that Ronald Reagan had had a brain hemorrhage and keeled over in 1952? Or that George II were dead? C'mon, let's find the level of this here debate.

Lord Humungus · 07-26-2003, 03:43 PM

I guess the main issue that irriates me is really the abuse of power someone like Kate Hudson takes advantage of. She knows the whole world is listening because its played for the whole world (not literally but you know what I mean). Do I walk down the street and yell at everyone that they are disgusting creatures because I feel like? There is no class involved with an action like that and its downright rude. If you heard they way she said it too, ugh. Its like its a big joke to her calling us all disgusting creatures. Its her right. Yes. I agree. But I still stand firm that just because its her right, doesn't mean she should call us all "disgusting creatures". Unless you think you are. Do you? Does aynone here honestly feel they are an "annoying. disgusting creature"? Im pretty geeky and proud of that but I ain't a digusting, annoying creature. Thats all I'm saying. That bitch needs to bite her tongue and not call me names just because she thinks shes all fucking high and mighty up there on her little pedestal. She doesn't know shit except how to order roomservice. She has no clue what French people are really like because shes never stepped foot out of her spoonfed little household. So I say, Fuck her for calling us all "annoying, disgusting creatures"! I won't be contributing to any her nights in those fancy dancy hotels eating her fucking corn flakes.

ps. I love you all

DocTrevena · 07-26-2003, 03:47 PM

You all seem to think that just because she is an actress that no one will listen to her... or think that just because they are a band no one will listen....

MTV's rock the vote ring a bell?? they signed up thousands of voters just because they are MTV.

How about when when an Actor/Actress does something incredibly stupid on TV or in a movie and some kid does it and gets hurt, Thousands upon thousands of people hold the movie or actor/ess responsible for the child getting hurt... words can be even more leading than actions..

my .02 cents

ctembreull · 07-26-2003, 03:47 PM

LordHumungus:

Absolutely, you're entitled to disagree with her. Wonderful. I didn't even see it, and I probably disagree with her too. My problem is that this thread has become a referendum upon Kate Hudson's patriotism, and that's quite frankly ridiculous.

Note also that I take issue with your contention that she "should die". Please see my earlier post and a few others in this thread for more details. You can disagree all you like, but calling for someone - anyone - to die for stating their opinion is rather reprehensible.

DocTrevena · 07-26-2003, 03:55 PM

It was attitudes like Kate Hudsons and the Chick with Dicks... I mean the Chixie Dicks... I mean the Dixie Chicks that got our boys spit on when they came back from VietNam... something that sickens me to this day... you may not be supportive of the war but at least be supportive of our troops who had the balls to serve instead of run away.

07-25-2003, 08:25 AM	#1 (permalink)
Lord Humungus Addict Location: The Outer rim of HELL	Kate Hudson should die If you don't listen to Howard Stern then you probably haven't heard the latest thing hes been playing on Kate Hudson. So I will inform you of what an ignorant, anti-american bitch she is. She was doing some interview and was commenting on Americans vs. the French. She basically thinks the French are civilized and kind and Americans are "disgusting creatures". I can't remember the quote exactly so if anyone has it, post it. She is living in some fancy dancy hotel in France and probably never stepped outside the hotel lobby. Don't get me wrong, the French have their good and bad people, as do all countries. But she has probably never encountered any of the gypsies or been down to the train stations in France. For her to say that Americans are annoying, disgusting creatures unlike the civilized French people is absurd. It absolutely puts me into a rage when Actors think they have all the answers. Just because they play a doctor or politician doesn't mean they ARE a doctor or politician. They are so fucking ignorant and I hate that we give them so much power but I like to be entertained and I suppose thats the price. What do you all think? If you get a chance, try and tune in to Howard and you might catch the clip hes playing of her and you too will never want to see another one of her crappy-ass movies. __________________ I am still searching for the movie this quote was in... "Make you strong, like bull", said in a russian accent Post here if you know anything...PLEASE!

07-25-2003, 08:39 AM	#3 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	Howard Stern is the very definition of "disgusting uncivilized American", so Kate Hudson is right in a way. American trash culture that's spewed on TV and radio really needs to change. Do we honestly need another reality dating show or another loudmouth retard with a microphone that thinks he knows all the answers? The fact that Americans even watch this stuff is disheartening. __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

07-25-2003, 08:54 AM	#4 (permalink)
Lord Humungus Addict Location: The Outer rim of HELL	I must disagree with you in some aspects. I do agree that there is plenty of trash that has spawned on TV. However, if you ever watch TV in other countries, they are filled with the same crap. You can't point the finger at any one country and say "Only they are disgusting!". In regards to Howard Stern, if you were to listen to Howard Stern regularly you would know he openly acknowledges that he doesn't have all the answers. He merely gives his honest opinions that aren't subdued by any political agenda. He has strong patriotic opinions as he should because he lives in America and he is an American. He is honest and open to his listeners and that is respectable. I was just pointing out that a young, uneducated actress (Kate Hudson) having the audacity to bad-mouth her own country (and the people) is despicable. She should move to France and never come back if she feels that way about America. Oh, America is so digusting but she has to have all the amenities that come with living in America. __________________ I am still searching for the movie this quote was in... "Make you strong, like bull", said in a russian accent Post here if you know anything...PLEASE!

07-25-2003, 04:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	this is just like the dixie chicks thing, WHO teh fuck cares what she says. personally, i dont listen to dixie chicks or kate hudson for my political info. __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

07-25-2003, 06:34 PM	#12 (permalink)
Lord Humungus Addict Location: The Outer rim of HELL	Look. I didn't mean to start up a debate on the freedom of speech. Yes, we all have it. Yes we can all use it. I feel strongly that actors and actresses get paid way too much money and have too much power because we give it to them. They make millions upon millions of dollars for reading other people lines. Thats ok. I can accept that. However, I feel that they have a responsibility to behave appropiately. It comes with the territory of making millions of dollars for reading lines whether they want it or not. Being scrutinized by the public and the paparazzi is also part of the territory. However, bad-mouthing you and me in another country is shameful and despicable. She was addressing all of you and me when she called us "disgusting creatures". That is offensive and inappropiate. If you call yourself an American, than she was calling you a "disgusting creature". Does she have the right. Yes. Does that mean she should? I don't think so. Do you walk down the street and start bad-mouthing and calling people despicable names because you feel like it? Probably not because its rude. I don't appreciate being called a "disgusting creature" at all. If bringing this up makes one person never see any of her movies again then great. I respect all of your opinions. Oh..and Kadath. You are right. She shouldn't die. The title was a bit far-fetched. She should suffer from extremem diarrea for months instead. __________________ I am still searching for the movie this quote was in... "Make you strong, like bull", said in a russian accent Post here if you know anything...PLEASE! Last edited by Lord Humungus; 07-25-2003 at 06:36 PM..

07-25-2003, 08:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
MadShinji Crazy	Well ok then. I personally doing get involved in this whole USA vs France thing. What's the point?

07-25-2003, 09:26 AM	#5 (permalink)
LHFire Upright	I am not trying to start a flamewar but ever hear of something called freedom of speech?. A person that is a citizen of this country has the right to say something about their own country before they could say the same about another country. I am sure howie is blowing it out of proportion and exaggerating as well.. I would like to see the quote though.. maybe she did say something to that effect. if she doesnt like it here she should leave. Too many people like to piss and moan and bitch but dont want to do anything to take care of the problems..

07-25-2003, 10:43 AM	#7 (permalink)
FastShark85 Psycho Location: In the garage, under the car.	It's better to appear a fool than open your mouth a prove it. Kate Hudson proved it. She's free to say whatever she wants. I'm free to say she's a moron. I'm also free to never spend a dime on any movie she's in. The point about Americans that bash other Americans to foreigners is that the bashers lived in this country, enjoyed its protections and freedoms, profited from its world-leading economy, and then trash it to foreigners because it's fashionable or popular to do so in that country....remember the Dixie Chicks? How about Alec Baldwin, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Jane Fonda, Sean Penn? Talent or no talent, they can all get the hell out if they don't like it. Just don't ask us to pay to watch their movies any more. They probably don't want money from us disgusting, loud, unmannered people anyway.

07-25-2003, 04:43 PM	#10 (permalink)
Zeld2.0 Cherry-pickin' devil's advocate Location: Los Angeles	They don't like it thats why they want to (try) and change it. Fact of the matter is, you people saying they should just move out only proves you want to look like fools too. Yes some may seem to deserve moving out because they really are idiots, but the fact of the matter is, they get the choice and they have a chance to change things too. Voice in the gov't anyone? While I can say that many celebrities should STFU because they really don't know all the answers - I will say that I have to respect the fact they are using their voice (even if its stupid routes but thats one's own opinion) - and people who say they should just leave the country... well.. thats more un-american than anythign they're doing by voicing their views.

07-25-2003, 06:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	I hear that back in the day in Italy they'd force people to drink castor oil, and they'd literally shit themselves to death. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

07-25-2003, 07:19 PM	#15 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Telling someone to move out because they're an ingrateful whore does not impede on anyones right to freedom of speech. The morality is of saying so is arguable, to say the least. There's nothing definate about it. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

07-25-2003, 07:42 PM	#17 (permalink)
Ace_of_Lobster Crazy	who is kate hudson? __________________ "Hundreds of men must have told you how beautiful you are. Would you displease the gods to hear it once more? I wouldn't. Im young and I hope to see a god before I die." -Patera Silk

07-25-2003, 09:52 PM	#22 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	It was neither a compliment nor a slight, simply an observation, but I laud you for your pride and confidence in yourself. __________________ it's quiet in here

07-25-2003, 10:21 PM	#23 (permalink)
hobo Archangel of Change	If America doesn't want Kate Hudson, I do An American can have anti-American sentiments because it is America and they have the freedom to do so. I don't care that much about people's political opinions. Its hard to think of that stuff when you are with people and having fun. Kate Hudson really is cute, isn't she? Last edited by hobo; 07-25-2003 at 10:25 PM..

07-25-2003, 11:02 PM	#24 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	Don't know who she is. Don't care who she is. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

07-25-2003, 11:51 PM	#25 (permalink)
guthmund big damn hero	You mean everybody doesn't listen to their favorite celebrity for politcal opinion????? I find it ironic that the very ignorant disgusting creatures her little tirade was about are the exact demographic she whores out her acting "talent" to attract. And on a ignorant disgusting creature's radio show to boot. She's entitled to her opinion, of that there is no question. She can stick her head up her ass just like the rest of us ignorant disgusting creatures. __________________ No signature. None. Seriously.

07-26-2003, 05:16 AM	#26 (permalink)
samcat Upright Location: Calgary	I find it wonderfully ironic to hear people extol the glory of Free America and then rant on about how some celebrity or another should STFU or get out of the country. See the contradiction? You want a free country? It involves people who don't agree with you saying so! Deal with it.

07-26-2003, 07:08 AM	#28 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	Actors are just members of the "ignorant uncivilized masses" who are in the spotlight. __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

07-26-2003, 10:45 AM	#29 (permalink)
Cimarron29414 Still Free Location: comfortably perched at the top of the bell curve!	I think my problem with these actors( comedians, etc.) that make these statements has nothing to do with their message. My problem is, through their occupation, they are given a platform to which the masses do not have access. We would not know her opinion, were it not for her starring in a few movies. Consequently, I think it is an abuse of your occupation when you are paid to entertain and instead use your position to forward your own political agenda. I have a vote, and that is basically all I have, with the exception of Internet Forums. Kate Hudson should use her vote to civilize America, and use her voice in the media spotlight to tell us who she is sleeping with and what it was like to be raised as Goldie Hawn's daughter, etc. __________________ Gives a man a halo, does mead. "Here lies The_Jazz: Killed by an ambitious, sparkly, pink butterfly." Last edited by Cimarron29414; 07-26-2003 at 10:56 AM..

07-26-2003, 11:19 AM	#30 (permalink)
ctembreull Crazy Location: Silicon Valley, CA, USA, Earth	I guess what I find funny about all of this is that so many conservatives say "Don't listen to those stupid celebrities, they're just using their fame to spout their anti-american propaganda". Of course, there's either a deafening silence or a great well of back-patting and general agreement when one of those celebrities happens to say something that those same conservatives happen to agree with. Case in point: Howard Stern. Also see: Dennis Miller. While I don't need to mention how monstrously hypocritical this is, I do feel the need to mention the venom this debate over patriotism has injected into the national dialogue. All of a sudden, you can't disagree with the government without being labeled "unpatriotic." Let me make one thing perfectly clear: dissent is perhaps the single most patriotic form of speech. What's harder, to go along with the rest of the cattle or to actually care enough about what happens to your country to step up and say, "Hey, this isn't right"? Without dissent, there is no discourse, and without discourse, there is no freedom. Without freedom, there is totalitarianism. It frightens me the distance we have traveled down this road, all in the short space of two years. Or perhaps, Teddy Roosevelt said it best: "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president.. is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonous to the American public." __________________ Mac "If it's nae Scottish, it's crap!

07-26-2003, 11:30 AM	#31 (permalink)
Cimarron29414 Still Free Location: comfortably perched at the top of the bell curve!	Please do not assume that I am a Conservative because of my post. That is unfair. If Kate Hudson used her moment in front of the camera to promote her favorite charity, her favorite car company, her favorite make-up, whatever, I disagree with it - only because it is an unfair advantage to those WITH a dissenting opinion. If you agree or disagree with Kate Hudson, you can not possibly reach the same masses with a message because you aren't in a movie and Goldie Hawn's daughter - that has NOTHING to do with what the message is. __________________ Gives a man a halo, does mead. "Here lies The_Jazz: Killed by an ambitious, sparkly, pink butterfly."

07-26-2003, 12:42 PM	#32 (permalink)
ctembreull Crazy Location: Silicon Valley, CA, USA, Earth	Cimarron29414: I'm not assuming you're a conservative. I don't know where you lean. I was remarking upon the general trend in this country. I agree that Kate Hudson had an unfair advantage, but then so does Dennis Miller. Fact is, we created that unfair advantage, we, all of us - because we gave celebrities that much power in the first place. Simpler, perhaps, to just accept that this is one person's opinion, and to let them have it without calling them a communist or worse. __________________ Mac "If it's nae Scottish, it's crap!

07-26-2003, 01:43 PM	#34 (permalink)
splck it's jam Location: Lowerainland BC	I find is amusing that people get their panties in a knot over celebrities. Why does it bother people so much when a celeb says something that they don't agree with? Is it because they are jealous? More power to her for voicing her opinion, whatever it might be. __________________ nice line eh?

07-26-2003, 02:01 PM	#36 (permalink)
ctembreull Crazy Location: Silicon Valley, CA, USA, Earth	Phaenx: But then, it would be unpatriotic of me to say that I wish Barbara Bush had been born sterile, right? What if I wish that Ronald Reagan had had a brain hemorrhage and keeled over in 1952? Or that George II were dead? C'mon, let's find the level of this here debate. __________________ Mac "If it's nae Scottish, it's crap!

07-26-2003, 03:43 PM	#37 (permalink)
Lord Humungus Addict Location: The Outer rim of HELL	I guess the main issue that irriates me is really the abuse of power someone like Kate Hudson takes advantage of. She knows the whole world is listening because its played for the whole world (not literally but you know what I mean). Do I walk down the street and yell at everyone that they are disgusting creatures because I feel like? There is no class involved with an action like that and its downright rude. If you heard they way she said it too, ugh. Its like its a big joke to her calling us all disgusting creatures. Its her right. Yes. I agree. But I still stand firm that just because its her right, doesn't mean she should call us all "disgusting creatures". Unless you think you are. Do you? Does aynone here honestly feel they are an "annoying. disgusting creature"? Im pretty geeky and proud of that but I ain't a digusting, annoying creature. Thats all I'm saying. That bitch needs to bite her tongue and not call me names just because she thinks shes all fucking high and mighty up there on her little pedestal. She doesn't know shit except how to order roomservice. She has no clue what French people are really like because shes never stepped foot out of her spoonfed little household. So I say, Fuck her for calling us all "annoying, disgusting creatures"! I won't be contributing to any her nights in those fancy dancy hotels eating her fucking corn flakes. ps. I love you all __________________ I am still searching for the movie this quote was in... "Make you strong, like bull", said in a russian accent Post here if you know anything...PLEASE!

07-26-2003, 03:47 PM	#38 (permalink)
DocTrevena Upright	You all seem to think that just because she is an actress that no one will listen to her... or think that just because they are a band no one will listen.... MTV's rock the vote ring a bell?? they signed up thousands of voters just because they are MTV. How about when when an Actor/Actress does something incredibly stupid on TV or in a movie and some kid does it and gets hurt, Thousands upon thousands of people hold the movie or actor/ess responsible for the child getting hurt... words can be even more leading than actions.. my .02 cents

07-26-2003, 03:47 PM	#39 (permalink)
ctembreull Crazy Location: Silicon Valley, CA, USA, Earth	LordHumungus: Absolutely, you're entitled to disagree with her. Wonderful. I didn't even see it, and I probably disagree with her too. My problem is that this thread has become a referendum upon Kate Hudson's patriotism, and that's quite frankly ridiculous. Note also that I take issue with your contention that she "should die". Please see my earlier post and a few others in this thread for more details. You can disagree all you like, but calling for someone - anyone - to die for stating their opinion is rather reprehensible. __________________ Mac "If it's nae Scottish, it's crap!

07-26-2003, 03:55 PM	#40 (permalink)
DocTrevena Upright	It was attitudes like Kate Hudsons and the Chick with Dicks... I mean the Chixie Dicks... I mean the Dixie Chicks that got our boys spit on when they came back from VietNam... something that sickens me to this day... you may not be supportive of the war but at least be supportive of our troops who had the balls to serve instead of run away.