How to stop muslim terrorists
 

now before I get flamed, I realize that not all muslims are terrorists or what have you. But it cannot be denied that they are there, and they want to do people harm. So here goes:

A ship captain some time in the 1800 caught a set of muslim terrorists who were trying to blow up his ship. Realizing such attacks would continue in an attempt to destroy his ship, he came up with an ingenious way of stopping them. He had his men cover their bullets with pig innards before loading them in the guns used to execute these terrorists. Posters were put up warning other future terrorists of what would happen if they tried to attack this captains ship.
Pass this on to anybody fighting overseas with the armed forces.

The terrorists would not believe that a matyr would be excluded from heaven for such reasons.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.htm

Genocide! That should fix it.

The fact that you think this is a good idea horribly offends me.

Edit: That was directed at Ballzor. I did recognize Phaenx's sarcasm.

Well, Phaenx is certainly correct. Killing all Muslims would stop Muslim terrorism... Whether it's the right thing to do is another matter, of course. :)

A partial solution may be to force governments to take responsibility for their citizens. If you harbor known terrorists and refuse to stop them, you're in fact aiding them. Therefore, it is imperative that governments around the world work together to stop these morons. Of course, education and such also help.

Bingo.

Should the IRA be done in the same way? oops I have some Irish friends. Worst. . . some are Catholic some are Prodestant. Worse even yet some dont mind being a part of the UK.

Like I've said in various other threads, as long as there is an educational system (in Saudi Arabia, imagine that) which promotes Anti-US sentiment and the benefits of martyrdom there will always be suicide bombers.

In about 3 million years, none of this will matter anyway.

i remember this.

some ol' democratic senator forwarded this message to his colleages and this started some backlash toward him.

how about this, if we kill all christians, wouldnt that eliminate all christian terrorists too? hm...i think we should all hang 'em up on the cross n nail 'em. that should discourage any future attacks.


quoting dragonlich

same situation here.

wow, i've never heard of that

Dont get me started :hmm:

I dunno if you were joking or not, but if you're a muslim stranded on a deserted island and there are only pigs to eat, it's ok. So I doubt they would care if bullets had pig guts on 'em.

doubt they would do that.

some muslims are extremely dedicated and prolly wouldnt do so.

Arabs not to get learned and fast. Shit is only going to get worse aslong as we let the current Islamic world carry on as it is. This will sound harsh but the Islamic religion as a whole needs to get uprooted, or at least ROCKED. This is kindof extreme but honestly all the problems of the world can be attributed to the Islamic influence (for you moderators I am refering to the heirarchy not so much as the people as a whole). Look at Sudan, Libya, Iran, Pakistan, Saudia Arabia... horrible places breeding more troubles then they are worth. Level them.. reduce them to dust. Like it was said in Swordfish they bomb a church level three mosques, they bomb a city block, tactially nuke an entire city. I am sick of dealing with these fucks, enough is enough.

HAIL THE KNIGHTS of TEMPLAR

maybe we should be trying to stop ALL terrorists.....

Tell that to a few altar boyz

genocide is always cool. I've got a question though: you're better than the terrorists, why?

you know, by the time people are throwing grassroots suicide bombers at you, beating them up more isn't going to help.

The "buried with a pig" idea isn't that stupid, for while it will have a minimal effect it may have some small effect and the cost is virtually nil. (a few pigs, hell you can even use ones that are otherwise unfit for consumption)

the only way to make this stop is to make them stop hating us. To be honest I don't know how to do that, but I'm pretty sure it isn't with bombs.
The only think I can think of is trying to destroy there culture... pepper them with enough McDonald's, cell phones and bad sitcoms and after a generation they won't be quite so bomb crazy. (but thats last generation is going to be *very* ugly)

If you want to see how poorly raw aggression works take a look at Israels luck with it. I remember a few months where every other week they laid siege to Arafat's government and it just increased the number of bombings.

as far as killing them all goes, well I suspect thats a joke and I'm going to treat it like one. .

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genocide is always cool. I've got a question though: you're better than the terrorists, why?

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I'm better cause I'm not some pussy who thinks that playing their own game is mean... boo fucking hoo. These are people that would love to get their hands on you, and kill you for no other reason then you are a (I'm assuming) a white (christian?) westerner. Beat them at their own game, eliminate them.

P.S.
The only reason why Israel eye for an eye situation isn't working for them is they have shown enormous restraint. They whomped on those Arabs 5-times in half a century. More over aslong as you have fucks like Arafat dicking around behind the scenes nothing is going to get done.

Sure would. But then that's completely out of context since we're talking about solving our problems, in a completely facetous manner as well =D.

From whomevers perspective one does any actions against another believes they're in the right for whatever reason. THe opposing side will obviously see differently. So it boils down to a new / or old? type of evolution- who has the bigger guns.

Maybe it is better that a certain percentage of the human population goes away; then maybe the democrats and republicans will stop verbal jabs at one another and throw down.

The Timothy McVeighs can finish off whatever targets they have planned.

The neonazis and black panthers can tear each other apart.

Whoever is left can finally find some fresh ideas to hate each other about.

are you saying there are no christian extremist groups in the country now?

Heh the pig stuff isn't really going to happen IMO because most of the muslim terrorists are extremists who THINK they are following the religion but are NOT.

I've been to the middle east a few times and i will tell you that most people there are very nice and live a very religious life and simply wish to live their own way. Of course there are always the assholes and extremists. Sound familiar? Oh wait pretty much every country is that way.

Now then if you think about it, you do realize that not all Muslims support the same goals? There are many different areas - Arabs are just a small group in the whole that comprises all of those who practice Islam.

Much the same as Christianity where differnet groups / areas / peoples have different national goals.

Ironically though, out of all of this if you think about it, is the fact that terrorism is their only weapon now. If they had a large standing army that could challenge the U.S. or whatever nation really, they wouldn't really resort to it, but thats probably a worst point for us.

Short term- they are thinking in a war mentality, and the best way to stop them is just to defeat them decisively, and to ensure that terrorism is doomed to fail, always, as a method to reach said goals, and in fact will only lead to setback and loss on the part of the terrorists.

Long term- cut the funding, make certain countries (Saudi Arabia, for one) start educating their youth for the modern world, and not "jihad". Education is the only solution long term, but might have to be manually initiated by us, if we expect any change in our lifetimes.

Education goes both ways. Our own country needs some seriously because I can honestly say that our very own society has deteriorated considerably in these years.

And yes education is the only real long term solution. Short term is only going to come back and bite us in the ass later.

Piss them off enough then their will to get a nuke will only be greater. Last thing anyone wants to see is a mushroom cloud over Manhattan.

But I don't think we need to enforce our own beliefs into their education system - its not just that but its also a collective effort by all countries to fix the issues.

I'm sure all those people would like to get their hands on me. Especially the innocent people simply living out their lives, the innocent little boys and girls, etc. Not liking us, protesting agaisnt us, etc. does not make them guilty combatants.

The terrorists target innocent civilians directly, just as you're now suggesting that we do. You hypocrite. You're as much a coward as the guy strapping dynamite to his chest.

Well I'm going to have to say that if you have to kill to feel safe then you are being the scared one now.

I don't recall any in this country who are actually blowing people up, unless you count individuals like the toad who was bombing abortion clinics and stuff. Not being an expert on terrorist groups I wouldn't know, I can say for certain I haven't heard of any christian groups on the news killing people.

In any case, what I was saying was genocide on christians wouldn't solve the muslims problems, because for one, they think the jews are bigger terrorists then we are, and jews aren't christians, and two, not all anti-terrorism folks are christians. Lets say you did kill all the christians in the world, would we still be at war with terrorists, kicked the talibans ass and continued to bring our shizzle to their grizzles? Yes. If all the muslims in the world were dead, would there be any muslim extremists left over to blow people up? No.

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I'm sure all those people would like to get their hands on me. Especially the innocent people simply living out their lives, the innocent little boys and girls, etc. Not liking us, protesting agaisnt us, etc. does not make them guilty combatants. The terrorists target innocent civilians directly, just as you're now suggesting that we do. You hypocrite. You're as much a coward as the guy strapping dynamite to his chest.

Why, that's not very nice. Not accurate as it turns out as well:

cow-ard

One who shows ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain.

In this case, I don't think either are cowards. The morality is another question altogether however. Is it worse to kill a soldier or a child? I'd say whatever means takes us to the best possible end works for me, a life is a life, if you have to kill some to preserve many then do it. As for genocide, I think the numbers will show that it's unfeasable and downright evil, even if it would work.

Personally, I would see the KKK as the Christian equivalent of Al-Quaida. The difference is that the KKK are in the preparation stage.

Both groups needs to read their books better.

That's a whole other thread, but they're far from a Christian equivalent of Al-Qaida.

And you'd like to kill innocent people just for being Arabs? If a bunch of terrorists bomb a church, you want to bomb three mosques full of innocent worshippers in retaliation? The people that you want to kill aren't even responsible for what you are "punishing" them for.

Your mentality is not any different from that of a terrorist. You would have us punish the innocent in order to deliver a message to terrorists. Terrorists also use innocent civilians to deliver messages. That simply isn't the way things should be done.

Isolationism

don't even get started on isolationism ;)

though it would stop a lot / most of terrorist acts ;)

Tried it, didn't work.

thats not entirely true though phaenx

the era of isolationism was shattered by world war 2 because we thought we could stay out of a global war even though we were a pretty key figure / a roadblock to the goals of many nations...

and it effectively ended with the attack on pearl harbor which was attacked by a very different force from terrorists...

now im no supporter of isolationism but i do think that a lot of hte interventionist policies we HAVE been doing over the years haven't always been the greatest things to do...

isolationism in the form of not being involved in a lot of issues (not to mention israel being at the top of that list) probably would've stopped a lot of terrorist acts but who knows what the alternative is really anyways... no other dimension to find out (yet) :rolleyes:

The Russians would have long since stomped our asses too.

Well thats the point that I didn't mention / forgot in my other reply.

The reason isolationism was gone was due to WW2 and its aftermath <<-- key!

Because of the crumbling of the old European empires and nations, there was suddenly a huge power vacuum. Before the 20th century one could see numerous empires in contention.

Now suddenly after WW2 there was a power vacuum and two nations emerged that were powerful - the U.S. and the Soviet Union.

Because of its duties in the war, the U.S. realized it could NOT just sit out and not help those nations devastated by war.

The Soviets for their own reasons (mainly Stalin being the one here) decided to take their share.

Now don't get started on the starting of the cold war -there are literally thousands of books out there on who and what exactly started it and theres always a differnet explanation.

But the key IMo is the aftermath gave the U.S. little chance to go back to isolationism - they realized they couldn't.

But if you think about it, had there not been a Soviet Union (mainly had their leader Stalin not been a wacko IMO) things might be a lot different. Had they had a guy like say Gorbachev who was willing to have peaceful co-existence, hell even trade and what not, things would be quite differnet and isolationism might actually be appealing.

OH yeah its almost customary to add this part to any discussion on the start of hte cold war (or mention!):D :

"There are now two great nations in the world, which starting from differnet points, seem to be advancing toward the same goal: the Russians and the Anglo-Americans...[E]ach seems called by some secret design of Providence one day to hold in its hand the destinies of half the world."- Alexis de Tocqueville, 1835.

Zeld2.0, you say that WW2 came upon us because of a power vacuum. Now, suppose the US were to return to it's isolationist ways... wouldn't that create an even larger power vacuum, which would lead to world-wide chaos?

For example, with the US gone, what would stop North-Korea from invading the South, China from invading Taiwan, Israel's neighbors from invading them? The US is a source of stability in these areas of the world, and with them gone, all hell would break loose.

Of course, I could also point out (and do now) that isolationism can't possibly work in today's world, with all the interlinked economies, global mass communication and cheap air transport to and from the US. It simply won't work, because the US needs the world, and the world needs the US.

what about the olympic park bomber, he considered himself part of an "army of god". oh yeah, he also bombed 2 abortion clinics n a night club.

if you dont remember, a lot of members in saddam's govt were christian and if you think that saddam's govt supported terrorism.....

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i dont know how you can even THINK of genocide as a solution to terrorism. that thought never even remotely crossed my mind.

there are a lot of jewish terrorists in isreal that carry out attacks (no, not the isreali govt, but independant groups that counter-attack).

so, we should do what hitler did?

Whoa, whoa, and whoa. I think that we have established the fact that genocide was a BAD idea and the guy who suggested it got his ass handed to him. The thing about Christian terrorists is, there are militant groups out there, look at Ireland for one. Now the Olympic park bomber was a nut, completely crazy, an isolated incident. The KKK is not in the preparation stage by the way, they're in the falling by the wayside stage, their heydays are gone, people have become more intelligent and more accepting and have seen the KKK for what it is, an idiotic group that thinks the South did secede and that they can do whatever the hell they want. And, The_Dude needs to chill, cuz the information we got about Saddam's whereabouts when we almost got him and quite a few other things came from the Christian within his government. Stop making things so personal. Education is the key to solving the problem of Muslim Extremists, if we teach these guys that they don't have to blow themselves up to make themselves heard or change something that they don't like, then the Al-Qaeda network will go down like the KKK has. Also, whoever said that the governments need to take responsibility for their citizens is completely correct, that's how we stopped the KKK, by the FBI hunting the guys who were causing trouble and setting them straight and denouncing them as criminals, we effectively put a stop to something that could have become extremely ugly. If the Muslim nations that harbored these terrorists did this, I guarantee that the memberships in these groups would go down heavily. And that my friends is how you stop Muslim terrorists.

pretty well said archer2371 :D

Sorry.

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Please look up the word "facetious," as well as re-reading my other posts.

Perspective?
 

We cannot stop "Muslim Terrorism". Stopping it, would be paramount to saying we can establish one world-view, which is unfeasible as well as unwise.

The terrorists are politically motivated. The fact that they are muslim is incidental. The terrorist activities are the only way that they can see their goals being achieved. It's a horrible way to look at it, but history proves that it's also a very effective way. Look at Chechnya. During Clinton's time we heard about them, then nothing. It took the Chechans capturing 1000 some people for their political agenda to be put back into the public sphere. For an even more striking, and woefully unknown example look at Israel. Very few realize that a key development to the emergence of Israel was Israeli terrorism against the British. This prompted the Brits to hand over the matter to International Arbitration and allowed Israel as we know it to be born.

These Muslim terrorists, if you take time to listen to what they are saying often do not even hide their naked political ambition. This makes "muslim terrorists" such a horrible misnomer. Not only does it villify Islam, but more importantly it overlooks the goals of the terrorists. Goals, that if realized, would cause a cessation of violence.

If you seek to curb "Muslim Terrorists" you need to be wiling to compromise on their political demands. Yet when people view political ambition through a distorted view of religion, it makes the conflict far more "good v evil" and a resolution far less achievable.

inkriminator, we *cannot* compromise in this instance, simply because compromise with extremists is impossible. They want it all, and won't stop before they get it. How do you compromise with a man like Bin Laden, who wants the whole world to become Muslim before he'll stop his campaign???

No, giving in to terrorism is *never* the answer. You should give in to groups that do not use terror instead. Talk to the more peaceful extremists, because they are the ones that might be willing to compromise. And more importantly, they're not the ones that are murdering your people.

If you do give in to terror, you're basically telling them that they'll get their way eventually, which might lead to *more* terrorism in the long run - after all, it worked once, so why not another time?

That's simply untrue. He wants the infidels [Americanos] out of Saudi Arabia; a Palestinian State; A Chechan state; A kashmiri state; Jews out of Jerusalem; America out of Iraq; Saddam out of Iraq; The Sauds out of Saudi Arabia; The king of Egypt deposed....and the list goes on and on.

It is dangerous to simplify one's enemy because then it is much harder to understand why they do what they do.
Compromising is not condoning. Compromise can be used to stop senseless violence. Israel/Palestine for example. The aims of the terrorists are understood by all but the utmost right. They want a Palestinian state, not to kill all infidels. You can stop the terrorism by compromising in the political arena, which is what these people want.

Why do they resort to terrorism? Because they feel politically impotent. It seems pretty simple to stop the terrorism would be to help in their political ambitions...assuming that they are reasonable of course. Something like a Palestinian state for sure, Kashmiri as well and if one would want to stretch it Chechnya

The way to stop Bin Laden is to give him exactly what he wants - that would take the wind out of his sails. We give him what he wants, but on our terms.

What he says his goals are:
1. U.S. Troops out of Saudi Arabia. Hey, we already did this - we just needed to take over Iraq so we'd have a place to put them! Wahoo!
2. What the hell else does he want anyway? I think his real gripe is with Saudi, et. al. not being democratic. Well, Saudi has already said they will institute some democratic measures and democracy is headed for Iraq and hopefully Iran too.

He will lose support from his supporters if all that he has been calling for is also what we want and he can no longer trumpet for them

jbrooks544: U.S. Troops out of Saudi Arabia. Totally awesome. We probably shouldn't have been there in the first place, and that was his major point of contention to begin with. For the second point, that's a good question. But doesn't it seem ridiculous that he would want democracy?

As far as his supporters go, remember that he's a very rich man, and he'll continue to have supporters as long as poor Arabs continue to desire money. I mean, families are being paid to send their kids to explosive deaths for a comparative pittance in Israel. The situation is destitute.

Abdul you are getting mixing up a lot of your terrorist groups/supporters up to clarify:

Osama is NOT a rich man. His family is exceedingly rich, but his fiscal ties have been cut and his assets frozen. He does not have money, and when he did he did not support "poor Arabs" doing suicide bombing. What he did support was the Afghanistan resistance against the Russians. The American gov't, as I'm sure you well know, also helped finance him at this time. What you are thinking of is the supposed 25,000 award that goes to the family of a suicide bomber which was sponsered by Saddam.

Again, it is very important to know thine enemy.