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GreyWolf · 10-19-2009, 06:47 AM

Oklahoma abortion law to put patients' details online | World news | guardian.co.uk

I'm against abortion, but I figure I won't ever have to make that choice, so I generally stay silent. But this strikes me as absolutely ridiculous. While not posting the actual names, there are answers to 34 questions for each abortion to be posted on-line. I assure you, I could identify most people in Oklahoma with their responses to 34 questions. How, in any leap of illogic, can the woman's education level really relate to the need for an abortion right now?

I don't particularly want to debate the right or wrong of abortion... I see this more as the intrusion of government into areas that can in no way be considered their business. Laws of this nature are becoming more common, more intrusive, and more draconian.

Baraka_Guru · 10-19-2009, 07:14 AM

Do they post similar information about women who give birth? Why or why not?

Derwood · 10-19-2009, 07:38 AM

Disgusting. How can you attempt to write legislation that absolutely destroys Doctor-Patient confidentiality?

Plan9 · 10-19-2009, 08:17 AM

"Suh halp meh, Gee-sooz!" Dumbass white people again.

...

Good take on it, Baraka. I was thinking about ruling in United States v. Virginia (1996): "The state may not rely on overbroad generalizations about the talents, capacities or preferences of women." Something about this messes with that outta spite... after the fact, ya know?

filtherton · 10-19-2009, 08:29 AM

While I see no problem with collecting data like this for public health research purposes, it seems to me that this is more an attempt to intimidate women into not getting abortions. The thing about collecting data for public health research: you don't want your data collection methods to bias your data. So if you really want to study SES data with respect to abortion, you'd gather data in a way that would encourage women to participate.

Plan9 · 10-19-2009, 09:09 AM

Undue burden'd!

Baraka_Guru · 10-19-2009, 09:24 AM

More like....

Neopuritan'd!

(Let's get to the source of the matter.)

Why not make the "ab'rshinist murderers!" wear a scarlet "A"

"A" is for abortionist, kids! See what happens when you murder the innocent unborn children of GOD? Public shame!

Make her wear it. Make it the size of an underdeveloped fetus and have her sew it on her shirt or coat, right ever her womb.

They should be made to feel their guilt, and it should be made public.

Plan9 · 10-19-2009, 10:13 AM

Who's this god guy and why is he always involved in politics?

Baraka_Guru · 10-19-2009, 10:16 AM

Careful.

Are you trying to get burned at the stake?

Strange Famous · 10-19-2009, 10:33 AM

This revolting invasion of privacy cannot be legal, surely?

Willravel · 10-19-2009, 11:33 AM

Legal seems a fluid term with fundamentalists.

I hear there will be a DDOS on it if it actually launches.

girldetective · 11-02-2009, 03:42 PM

There are laws collectively called HIPAA, which prohibits acess to public health information from Just Anyman.

Whats next? Stoning of these women, murder, inundated with judgmental mail? Poor, poor precedent as usual with these types of groups.

dksuddeth · 11-03-2009, 08:59 AM

well, this information has about as much business being posted online as does the names of concealed hangun license holders. which is absolutely none.

despicable. stay classy OK.

wooÐs · 11-03-2009, 09:17 AM

Sounds like a marketing scheme.
Coupons for repeat customers maybe.

10-19-2009, 06:47 AM	#1 (permalink)
GreyWolf Sober Location: Eastern Canada	Posting Abortion Details On-line Oklahoma abortion law to put patients' details online \| World news \| guardian.co.uk I'm against abortion, but I figure I won't ever have to make that choice, so I generally stay silent. But this strikes me as absolutely ridiculous. While not posting the actual names, there are answers to 34 questions for each abortion to be posted on-line. I assure you, I could identify most people in Oklahoma with their responses to 34 questions. How, in any leap of illogic, can the woman's education level really relate to the need for an abortion right now? I don't particularly want to debate the right or wrong of abortion... I see this more as the intrusion of government into areas that can in no way be considered their business. Laws of this nature are becoming more common, more intrusive, and more draconian. __________________ *The secret to great marksmanship is deciding what the target was AFTER you've shot.*

10-19-2009, 07:14 AM	#2 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	Do they post similar information about women who give birth? Why or why not? __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

10-19-2009, 08:17 AM	#4 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	"Suh halp meh, Gee-sooz!" Dumbass white people again. ... Good take on it, Baraka. I was thinking about ruling in United States v. Virginia (1996): "The state may not rely on overbroad generalizations about the talents, capacities or preferences of women." Something about this messes with that outta spite... after the fact, ya know? __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake." Last edited by Plan9; 10-19-2009 at 08:24 AM..

10-19-2009, 09:09 AM	#6 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	Undue burden'd! __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

10-19-2009, 09:24 AM	#7 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	More like.... Neopuritan'd! (Let's get to the source of the matter.) Why not make the "ab'rshinist murderers!" wear a scarlet "A" "A" is for abortionist, kids! See what happens when you murder the innocent unborn children of GOD? Public shame! Make her wear it. Make it the size of an underdeveloped fetus and have her sew it on her shirt or coat, right ever her womb. They should be made to feel their guilt, and it should be made public. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot Last edited by Baraka_Guru; 10-19-2009 at 09:27 AM..

10-19-2009, 07:38 AM	#3 (permalink)
Derwood Who You Crappin? Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	Disgusting. How can you attempt to write legislation that absolutely destroys Doctor-Patient confidentiality?

10-19-2009, 08:29 AM	#5 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	While I see no problem with collecting data like this for public health research purposes, it seems to me that this is more an attempt to intimidate women into not getting abortions. The thing about collecting data for public health research: you don't want your data collection methods to bias your data. So if you really want to study SES data with respect to abortion, you'd gather data in a way that would encourage women to participate.

10-19-2009, 10:13 AM	#8 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	Who's this god guy and why is he always involved in politics? __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

10-19-2009, 10:16 AM	#9 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	Careful. Are you trying to get burned at the stake? __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

10-19-2009, 10:33 AM	#10 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	This revolting invasion of privacy cannot be legal, surely? __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

10-19-2009, 11:33 AM	#11 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Legal seems a fluid term with fundamentalists. I hear there will be a DDOS on it if it actually launches.

11-02-2009, 03:42 PM	#12 (permalink)
girldetective sufferable	There are laws collectively called HIPAA, which prohibits acess to public health information from Just Anyman. Whats next? Stoning of these women, murder, inundated with judgmental mail? Poor, poor precedent as usual with these types of groups. __________________ As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons...be cheerful; strive for happiness - Desiderata

11-03-2009, 08:59 AM	#13 (permalink)
dksuddeth Junkie Location: bedford, tx	well, this information has about as much business being posted online as does the names of concealed hangun license holders. which is absolutely none. despicable. stay classy OK. __________________ "no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything. You cannot conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."

11-03-2009, 09:17 AM	#14 (permalink)
wooÐs Sitting in a tree Location: Atlanta	Sounds like a marketing scheme. Coupons for repeat customers maybe.