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You dont intend to address Beck's offensive comment and the response (and pressure on advertisers) by those who were offended, but would rather play a game of "gotcha" with some dubious comparison by posting unrelated videos. Hey, that is your right as well. :thumbsup: |
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The guy is a total snake oil salesmen, but the left has become blind now that Obama is in power. |
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There is no "the left"...that is the biggest difference between the big tent Democratic party and Obama supporters (from the blue dogs to the near-socialists) and the small tent, much more ideological rigid Republican party. |
those sorts of distinctions amongst different political viewpoints would require that conservatives and their libertarian copies actually make differentiations when they indulge the game of throwing around labels. who knows where that sort of thing would stop? maybe soon the fatuousness of the entire "reverse racism" meme would become obvious too.
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Let's see ... Obama sat in Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years, but his ears were covered during his "favorite uncle's" racist rants. Now, "them Jews" won't let Jeremiah near Obama.
Obama was caught making racist assumptions about a white cop. Backpedal time! Obama chose a racist (okay, she's a sexist too) for the Supreme Court. Unless you wear blinders, by now it is obvious that Obama is a racist. Tell me, did Walmart quit selling Kanye West cds after this little jape? |
I knew Wright was coming back. Maybe we should start talking about Lewinski. Or the Keating 5. Or the Iranian hostages.
And for the record, Kanye West is retarded. Everything that comes out of his mouth is more stupid than what came before it. He's not the president and he's not a prominent member of the news media. |
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This thread is a great example of the strategy "If you've got nothing on defense, go on the offense."
Nice to see Marv has had no trouble fitting Obama into the "But Clinton did it too" paradigm. |
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Lewinski was a white girl that sucked off a white president. I don't recall Obama ever publicly calling for Clinton to get hummers from black interns as well- in the interest of affirmative action. |
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Obama attended the largest church in Chicago where on occasion the minister made racist remarks (if taken out of context) = Obama is a racist. Obama appoints a women who served on the board of an Hispanic advocacy group and ruled on the "wrong" side of an appeals court affirmative action case = Obama is a racist. Color of Change, the organization promoting the Beck boycott, advocates to empower the minority community = Color of Change is a racist organization. |
is this particular ad pulling campaign in any way similar to how the dixie chicks were treated?
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one way to look at the use of the "reverse racism" canard in all it's forms is as an attempt by those who wield conservative-speak to position themselves as arbiters of the debate. in the process, they try to set the terms of the debate. it's an obvious move for rhetorical power. to the extent that these moves seem to elicit short responses from others, they work for a time. but the fact that there's nothing to the term "reverse racism" or the logics built from it or the attempts to link one or another abitrarily chosen factoid that may or may not have anything to do with glenn beck or the boycott to it gets in the way.
conservatives are not in any position to try to take over the question of how glenn beck's actions are to be evaluated, or to set the terms for thinking about the boycott. conservative discourse has lost it's power to speak to or for anyone but conservatives. |
Also of note: racial awareness and advocacy isn't racism.
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not sure if that was directed at me RB, but what your saying is that only white people are racist? there's no such thing as "reverse racism"? I'm not a conservative. I think people like beck and limbaugh are morons, who intentionally spew misinformation in order to scare people into their way of thinking. I know alot of people who take what they say as cold hard fact and it's infuriating. If beck is making racist statements on the air then I agree with the company boycotts. I honestly don't know if he is because I don't watch his show.
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rahl---i should have made a separation. the attempt to insert conservative-speak over this debate is an attempt to control the debate itself. that i see no reason not to simply laugh at. conservative-speak isn't in a position to set the terms, particularly not when the action in question is directed against one of the talking heads who helps articulate conservative-speak.
my personal view of reverse racism is that it's utter nonsense. i'm not interested in going through this argument again here, not only because it's been done to death, but even more because doing it would basically hand conservative-speak what it's usage in this context is after---it would situate it as a necessary frame of reference. it isn't. it's an arbitrary frame of reference hodge-podged together that really functions to link petit bourgeois resentment in the contemporary period back to the reconstruction period. same idea, different register. so no, i'm not arguing with you over this point. you or anyone else. that's the end of that. |
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Sweet.
It was actually a response to Cimarron29414's concerns that Beck didn't seem to be guilty of anything but having unpopular opinions. I'm fairly sure the reason this boycott thing is all happening is the "Obama is a racist" or "Obama has a problem with white people" comments. He's certainly not the first person to race bait, and he's not even the worst offender (see the Lincoln-Douglas Debates for what I think was the worst race baiting in American history), but he sure is guilty. |
Question, is it also race baiting when Al Sharpton makes the same kinds of statements about white folks?
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thanks, i have little interest in this discussion since I am not a fan of race-baiting at all. just was curious when I perused the new posts and say your comment to rahl.
I'm all for the commerce to work the magic it works, voting with your wallet is a great way to get your point across. |
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Get real. Inversion of ideals and situations seldom gets you "the inverse is true, otherwise the initial concept is a sham." The world isn't that simple and cut & dry. |
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Of course there is a double standard. That's because of our history. The key thing, however, is to realize that the double standard applied against non-whites is not so bad as it has been in the past—but they are still there.
The term double standard doesn't quite work for me, though. We normally use it to imply an unfairness. For example, it would be a double standard to pay minorities less than whites based on race. What we're talking about is more of a differing standard, as we wish to view things from both directions, not only what is deemed unfair historically. The standard we apply to issues of blackness differs from what we apply to issues of whiteness, and this because of our history. There is no White Entertainment Network or White History Month for a reason. |
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There's a reason I've never heard of any of those. Their roles in society are quite small compared to the work the NAACP.
Beck's race-baiting and race based fearmongering are a serious issues. When Beck said President Obama has "a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture", what he was doing was not informing people of factually verifiable information, but was inventing an issue where it doesn't exist with the clear intent of causing racial tensions. There are already going to be racial tensions when we elect our first non-100%-white president, but exacerbating it by giving racists validation is inexcusable. This is something people need to take seriously. More of Glenn Beck's race-baiting... |
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I am not saying that to discuss what ethnic group does this or that, just to point that when someone says "you don't have a white version of this or that Black group," that is incorrect. /end of derail |
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I agree with Will. I welcome and encourage factual information, from pundits and talkshow hosts, on why Obama would potentially be trying to screw Americans, or why his plans wouldn't work, or why government-run healthcare will suck.
But lies with potentially dangerous consequences I am definitely not OK with. I would not have stood for "Bush hates jews," or other inaccurate things without proper backing up. If somebody actually did have a taped conversation from Obama in office where he did show hatred for an ethnic group, I would definitely like to be informed. |
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These shows are meant for one thing: rabble-rousing. These men are demagogues, and they get high ratings for being that way. Anyone looking for facts--or even rational criticism--need to seek elsewhere (and likely already do). |
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