Not to mention illegal according to our treaties.

This may have been a good idea four or five years ago, however now it's to late; The damage is done. This and many other thing are nothing more than a ploy to draw the American's attion away from the sad facts at hand. Anyone found our presidents birth certificate yet... No, yet we put the California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger through pure hell just to govern a state. WoW Arnoled has done more for America in way of helping people than Obama has or ever will. Let me stop right there or I will step on some toes here. Get the Facts people, oh thats the problem; That why there are so many people at these Town Hall meeting, we can't get the facts!!!!! Hummm, I thought that our goverment was there to protect and help us. Oh well, better luck next time around I guess.....

I agree with you that the worst economic downturn in more than 60 years was not Obama's fault.

Many economist believe Obama's overall stimulus program (ARRA, TARP... more than "cash for clunkers") has helped stabilize the economy and bring it out of recession more quickly than otherwise would have been likely:
Cash for Clunkers? A minor piece of the recovery puzzle that will certainly not help the US auto industry in the long-term.

Great another troll for us to have to debunk every other day... You should really read past posts before spouting of ignorant crap like this. Pretty much everything you have said has been debunked almost daily. I'm not going to waist my time debunking the same lies again.

So let me get this right, you expect me (another troll) to believe that you have read the bill on health care and are the foremost expert on it as well. ( Pretty much everything you have said has been debunked almost daily.) Arnold Swarchenegger has opened many inner city gyms, has made movie after movie, brought Mr. Olympia to the national level for the world to come togather and compete. I could go on an on about how Arnold Swarchenegger has helped the USA. Sad to say for Obama, all his efforts were put in the projects in one area that is no better of now than when he started it. Well there I go agin spouting of ignorant crap! Then enlighten me in the error in my knowledge of Obama, his health care plane, what he has done in his past to help the USA. Why it is hard for him to be open with the American public and stop flipfloping back and forth with what he believes. Stop lieing. (I'm not going to waist my time debunking the same lies again.) Please do not, I would hate for this Troll to have to list more facts. Now as for the us part of your rant, where are they? Oh and where is that birth certificate? After he was born in another country he was moved to the US. Ok forget the birth certificate, where is his green card?:orly: Well better luck next time. Your kind are sad, you would rather rant and rave and call people names than to help them to understand your point of view, if you even have one! I'm new to this site and I like to hear people's opinions and learn facts about different things. However only to find sad people like you and I'm guessing that he speaks for all of you because he used the term us in his statement. It leaves little to wounder about why we are where we are today with people like this. Keep up the good work.....

Take a deep breath......ok, now nobody was talking about the healthcare bill, they were referring to the numerous posts about things like Obama's birth certificate(which has been proven he is a citizen and born here). Your initial post seemed intentionally inflamatory, that was why you were called a troll. That may not have been your intention but it came off that way. Welcome to the site by the way!

You brought up a lot of things that have been thoroughly debunked and are not at all related to cash for clunkers. That is why you are a troll.

What does Arnold have to do with cash for clunkers? what does Obama's birth certificate have to do with cash for clunkers? What do the town hall meetings have to do with cash for clunkers?

You came into this thread and posted a bunch of unrelated talking points many of which are from the crazy wing of the conservative movement.

If you want to be a constructive member of this forum then you should really try to stay on topic and fact check what you post before you post it.

It's been touched on, and may not really belong in this thread, but in some areas of the country (one example being Detroit MI) they are knocking down homes in order to increase demand, and inflate the prices of other homes.

Similar to perfectly good cars being destroyed, perfectly good homes are being destroyed as well in the hunt for the elusive recovery...

I'm just curious how Arnold was put through "pure hell" when we elected him as our governor. The only focused criticism was the allegation he groped a woman and after he apologized it was over and done with.

Now that the dust has settled car dealerships are busy twiddling their thumbs again, and the net gas savings is only equal to a single day of US gas consumption. Also the net cost of the program was $1.4 billion. I'm not impressed.

It's too soon to tell anything. Automobile inventories are at a 24-year low. Right now dealers have fewer incentives to offer discounts so soon after the program and with inventories so low, and consumers have fewer options to choose from.

The dust hasn't settled yet. At least the country isn't sitting on a huge inventory. That in itself is a common indicator of a recession. When people need to replace their cars in the near future (it will happen), where will those cars come from? Oh, maybe Detroit, for one.

This isn't entirely true - the dealerships have certainly reduced their inventory through this program. However, the union contracts REQUIRE that X number of cars are produced a day/week/month. Thus, the program has simply moved the inventory from the dealers to the car company warehouses. I've seen images of OCEANS of new cars in parking lots waiting to be shipped to dealerships who aren't buying.

This program will go down in history as gallactically stupid (and unconstitutional).

They can downplay the significance of the environmental benefit all they want but a reduction equivalent to 1 day's use of gasoline is significant.

I know that I wouldn't have purchased a car to replace our 20 year old junker if it wasn't for the CforC money. We were going to junk it this year and just drive our truck which gets about 11 mpg. Our new car gets about 25 mpg. There must be others with a similar story so maybe things would be even worse without this program.