Possibly. There's also the chance for a riot if he -does- win: fuckheads come in every skin color, and riot-prone fuckheads need little excuse. Black fuckheads may riot if Obama loses (Whitey done ripped us off again!), or if he wins (Our boy's in charge now, we can do whatever we want!). White fuckheads may riot (or worse) if Obama wins, or even if he looks -close- to winning. Either way, it's a good possibility. Hence why I live on a dead-end road in the middle of nowhere.

Not if past incidents of rioting and looting are any example. If NOLA '05 and LA '93 are anything to go by, the top priorities of Military and Law Enforcement will be:

1: Saving their own skins.
2: Going nowhere near anyone actually dangerous. (See 1)
3: Disarming the people being targeted by the looters and rioters, whom the cops and Nat'l Gaurd refuse to confront.
3a: Don't forget to keep the guns, even when several Federal courts order their return. For best results, sell aforementioned guns to drug-dealers and "coyotes."
4: Abusing, arresting, and brutalizing the now-disarmed citizenry.
5: Going on TV for 6 months afterward to praise their courage and heroism in containing the violence and preventing the outbreak of lawlessness.

I have not heard anything about this martial law. Is this true, can it be verified? Why isn't it in the press? If it is true then it is very disturbing and an outrage.
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Why wouldn't they ask it? It would be dereliction of duty if they didn't.

I would like to hear their responses as well.
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Why would there be riots? There weren't riots in the previous elections.

Because "Dereliction of Duty" is Item #1 in the American Mass Media Job Description. They've spent the last 30 years dropping the ball, and you don't have to re-read all of Hosts Posts to see that.

Because there wasn't a black man running in the previous elections. Many urban blacks have a tendency to riot and demolish things when an issue doesn't go their way (Obama losing), and while white-initiated riots are rarer, they tend to be more destructive and homicidal (Tulsa 1927, Rosewood, Draft Riots, etc). I half expect riots no matter -who- wins; blacks rioting if Obama loses, whites rioting if he wins.

As I said below, fuckheads of any race need little excuse to smash things and steal whatever's not nailed down. And the world is, sadly, full of fuckheads.

I'm more concerned about possible uprisings and riots over a collapse of the U.S. financial system, than I am about possible uprisings and riots over a black man (not) winning the office of President.

Back in the 1930s, the majority of Americans were used to simple if not financially poor living. So, when the Great Depression hit, the majority of Americans were already tough and practical people. Not so with today's last two or three generations, who've grown up amidst abundance, prosperity, and over-consumerism. Furthermore, there is a sense of entitlement and individualism amongst the last two or three generations, which did not exist amongst the generations hit by the first Great Depression.

This is a good point. But I think perhaps this is more about both of these issues: The economy is hitting the skids while the next president may (or may not be) a black man. What we have here are the issue of rich vs. poor and the issue of race all coming together at once. This is shaping up to be a dire time in the U.S. And now you have domestic militarism....

Not good.

As I post this, the Dow is down 0.5% and the S&P is down 1.1%.

Yeah. This "Calvin & Hobbes" comic strip, which someone posted in another forum here, comes to mind...

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u.../tfp/bill2.gif

:shakehead:

I know I was only a squid, and not one of the guys feet to the ground, but as a former military man, I would ashamed to be part of this unit. This flies in the face of everything this counrty is supposed to be about. I'm moving to Austraila where the people are still at least some what sane.

Yeah, I would agree the media has dropped their end of the bargain with rare exception (NPR, BBC are still good). Sad state of affairs that.

I'm not convinced that a "black man" running in this election will cause riots. Unless there was shenanigans going on at the ballot box but otherwise, no.

Heh, I thought of the same thing.

Farmer Brown looks a bit like McCain.... :surprised:

You, Sir, are a credit to the Navy and the uniform you wore. Thank you for your service, and for keeping faith with the American people and the Constitution. Thank you.

I'm not either, but they ('the government') do not want to guess wrong. And after seeing what happens in poorer neighborhoods during the election, those long lines and 2 polling booths in downtown (which may or may not work) compared to 50 for about 10,000 residents in the rich suburbs. It may provide the spark.

I'm sure alot of people are thinking it is about the election of a black man, but did anyone consider that Oct 1 is the start of the fiscal 4th quarter in financial markets? Does the government know more than they are letting on and could this be the reason for military units being deployed for 'crowd control'?

I will admit I don’t trust what the government has turned into, so I of course see this as a bad sign.

If anyone has the time; it truly is worth the read to take the free courses FEMA and your local state’s emergency management administration offer.

It may just be that Oct 1st is the start of the next fiscal year for the US government...?

I hadn't thought about that. good point.

I feel safer already :):paranoid:

Reminder: you do not currently have the right to defend yourself from law enforcement, and I would imagine that this extends to military personnel in the instance of martial law. If you are being attacked, flee to the nearest police station and try to contact an attorney as you're getting to the police station.

please refer to your particular states laws regarding this claim. I do know that some states specifically define conditions where one can indeed claim self defense against law enforcement while many other states outlaw it in any instance.

Church, synagogue, mosque... any house of worship is where I would go before any law enforcement location...

Sanctuary... Sanctuary...

Someone tried that at my dad's church a few years back. The police walked right in and arrested him.

I don't think that works any more, even for Jean Valjean.

I don't think hiding out in a church ever really worked except for a few truly Sacred places.

Still works and still happens in many cases. Maybe your police officers had a warrant, or your father didn't stand up enough to the law enforcement officers to DENY them entry to PRIVATE property.

Seems to work in the Philippines, Canda, and, Ohio, Chicago, IL...

The state mandates that you do not have the right to defend yourself against the state.

Ha!

I'm glad I had the wherewithal to clobber a copper or two in the uk before taking to toes and legging it in the past.

I wonder what Republicans make of both that, and the bearing of arms by the police and citizenry. :-/

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If they'd stolen something, shot someone or acted against the interest of the state in some other way, I'm pretty confident the sanctity of the place of worship would be taking a back seat. Right at the back. In reality, as I would hope most people know, illegitimate labour which is not actively, brutally removed is generally acting in the interest of the powerful.

ok people, since i'm currently at work and unable to view this on the servers, please take a look at this video and summarize for me. thanks.

US Congresspeople Told Martial Law Would Be Imposed if Bailout Bill Didn't Pass - Boing Boing

I've met Congressman Shermon, I don't believe him to be a conspiracy theorist. Naomi Klein was discussing the same thing the other day, about the threat of the Dow dropping 1000 points a day and how martial law would be enforced. It's too much of a coincidence. It's also way too much of a coincidence that martial law started so close to the election.

IMPORTANT: If you see military officers a your polling place, please take cell phone pictures of them and post them online. I expect voter intimidation. If you are responsible for a polling location, do not allow soldiers anywhere near the building. I'll be at my dad's church doing the same.

we're already under martial law?

Martial law started about a week ago.

maybe it's martial law 'lite' for now?

As far as I'm concerned, any military personnel around my area attempting to provide law enforcement will summarily be ignored. They have no legal authority.

Yes, it's not full martial law. Still, any martial law means we're in martial law. Anywhere this military unit is, there will theoretically be martial law.

BTW, I have no idea where they are. Anyone hear anything?

a bunch of crap...

"martial law" to make the chicken littles into a new kind of sheeple. sorry that's not the martial law you are talking about... these are not the droids you are looking for...

more fear, more fear, keep pumping things up with more fear... *sigh*



Marshal Law called for Bailout Vote - ReaderRant

so, the gist of the video is burgess' 'feelings' about the house being under so much strain and stress of democrat overbearing the republicans, he feels it's martial law. what a doofus.

Soldiers are for other places. Police are for here. When soldiers are here, acting as police, it's called "martial law".

The army has, as of October first, stationed a unit inside the US to act as an on-call federal response in times of emergency. They are trained for domestic operations. It's a dedicated assignment that's intended to deal with "civil unrest" and "crowd control".

I like this Congressman Sherman. I watched the second part also and he had some great explanations out of the bill as to what was happening.

And I do believe Martial Law was probably threatened.

It is so sad when our leaders have become so much more influenced by money and power that they are willing to sell those that elected them and they govern down the river and not even blink.

Actually, that would be called breaking the law.

Of course, it's both.

stationed....

you've got troops stationed not 25 miles from you just like I do... it has been like that for decades.

so far, it's still a FAR cry from martial law. If we were under martial law the economic crisis we're experiencing now would be 10000x worse. I have family that has seen the president of the country declare martial law. I have family that has lost their senate and congressional seats because the president dissolved the house of congress.

this is nothing like martial law, lite or otherwise.

cyn....the DEPLOYMENT of the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team to NORTHCOMM with a "dedicated assignment" is not the same as being STATIONED near you or me.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas

This new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

Army Times

IMO, such a "dedicated assignment" has not been authorized by an act of Congress...I would like to see Congressional hearings to determine if there is a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act (and/or other laws)

I don't disagree with that dc, but do you or I see military patroling the streets of DC (I'm not sure of DC since it isn't a state so military may move more easily there) or NYC? do you witness any servicemen containing and controlling people, setting curfew, or controlling sections of cities?

I disagree with the sky is falling cry of declaration of martial law.

Thank you, DC. People from Fort Bragg can't normally be deployed to do crowd control during a protest. The 1st BCT can and likely will.

The point is that Cynthetiq is correct, this is not "martial law."

Martial law usurps or is in place of civil law, it's not some quaint way of saying the soldiers are outside our houses.
Last I checked we still have all our civil laws in place...even the brigade is under control of civil authorities or in joint with them.
This folding of agencies under the umbrella of the dept. of homeland defense confuses things, but ultimately it still currently falls under civilian and not military command.