Originally Posted by onesnowyowl (Post 2518444)

What about a donation of time? I volunteer almost every election in some way. This election I've been volunteering with a PAC associated with Planned Parenthood. During the primaries we simply wanted to get the message out that McCain is a pro-life candidate and scores a 0 with NARAL in regards to abortion rights. I'll probably start volunteering with a specific campaign soon. I don't have a lot of money right now, but I do have time :)

Originally Posted by dc_dux (Post 2518492)

So much for privacy!

Originally Posted by abaya (Post 2518508)

Well, do you think it should be private?

Originally Posted by abaya (Post 2519056)

Hmm, odd... I'm not on the list. Maybe it takes a while for them to add on the newest donors?

I've been talking with a few of my friends from college (evangelical university, mind you), and several of them have made donations--to Obama--in the last week or so.

I find that quite interesting (and cool)--they aren't fooled into voting for him based on moral faux-conservatism, and social justice plays a much bigger parts in the votes of the evangelical 20- and 30-something generation than it does for the older generations. And yes, many of them are moms, but there's no identification with Palin there. I'm happy to see that.

The only die-hard Republican I know (and I have a lot of conservative/religious friends!) is someone who is not religious in any way--she's financially conservative, though doesn't care for the moral legislation bit of her party... so I'm working on that point with her. ;)

I would not be surprised if the majority of my old college professors will be voting for Obama as well--there's a reason that many of us graduated from that university with surprisingly liberal attitudes (even those who still remain in the fold). The bio profs are all evolutionists, for example, and I know they won't stand for Palin's creationist stance.

Originally Posted by Tully Mars (Post 2519065)

Yeah isn't it odd that educated people tend not to be social conservatives?

Originally Posted by abaya (Post 2519056)

Hmm, odd... I'm not on the list. Maybe it takes a while for them to add on the newest donors?

I've been talking with a few of my friends from college (evangelical university, mind you), and several of them have made donations--to Obama--in the last week or so.

I find that quite interesting (and cool)--they aren't fooled into voting for him based on moral faux-conservatism, and social justice plays a much bigger parts in the votes of the evangelical 20- and 30-something generation than it does for the older generations. And yes, many of them are moms, but there's no identification with Palin there. I'm happy to see that.

The only die-hard Republican I know (and I have a lot of conservative/religious friends!) is someone who is not religious in any way--she's financially conservative, though doesn't care for the moral legislation bit of her party... so I'm working on that point with her. ;)

I would not be surprised if the majority of my old college professors will be voting for Obama as well--there's a reason that many of us graduated from that university with surprisingly liberal attitudes (even those who still remain in the fold). The bio profs are all evolutionists, for example, and I know they won't stand for Palin's creationist stance.

Originally Posted by Tully Mars (Post 2519065)

My Aug. and Sept. donations are not on the list. If you're using a CC you have to enter the zip code of that CC's mailing address. I used my current address and got nothing, then switched to my drop box mail forwarding addy and found me.

Yeah isn't it odd that educated people tend not to be social conservatives? A few hundred years ago it was the earth is flat and the center of the solar system. Now it's 6000 years old and evolution is a crock. Least now we're not burning people at the stake for not agreeing with the church, least not yet.

Originally Posted by jorgelito (Post 2519730)

Yes, exactly. I do think you people have to give us more credit here. We are not monolithic in our beliefs etc. Conservative does not equal "stupid" or uninformed. It always shocks me when liberals discover we actually have a mind of our own. It is that disconnect I think that separates us and is harmful. Mutual respect can go a long way.
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I am very educated thank you very much but I am very much socially conservative as well as my parents who hold Phds and are highly respected in their fields. This attitude is appalling. That somehow conservative people are stupid, It is precisely this attitude that cause the elitist liberals to lose credibility. That type of liberal backward thinking is why you lose votes from the common man, the people you despise and insult.

Originally Posted by jorgelito (Post 2518722)

I have a problem with political donations. It feels wrong somehow. Like bribery or corruption.

Originally Posted by jorgelito (Post 2519730)

It is precisely this attitude that cause the elitist liberals to lose credibility.

Originally Posted by marcelval (Post 2520218)

It's sad that our political system has come to revolve almost totally around money. I have donated both in the last election and this one. I finally came to the realization that the only way I could make my voice heard was with my wallet. Unless we reform our system to one of fully publicly financed elections (with no exceptions and loopholes) our politicians will always need to look to get money from private sources, and those sources always expect something in return.
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Originally Posted by marcelval (Post 2520218)

It's interesting that you do not wish stereotypes placed upon your own thinking, and yet you seem to be unable to use the word Liberal without preceding it with the word elitist. Well I don't believe conservatives are stupid, but if you mindlessly keep referring to me as an elitist just because I hold different values, then I might change my mind.

Originally Posted by Tully Mars (Post 2520175)

So do you believe the earth is 6000 yrs old and that evolution is a crock?

Originally Posted by jorgelito (Post 2520241)

No. Like I said, I'm socially conservative, not scientifically conservative.

Originally Posted by Tully Mars (Post 2520259)

So let me get this straight. I post-



And you respond with-



Then I think part of our disagreement then is how we're defining social conservatism. In my post I attempted to define the type of social conservatives to which I was referring- those people who do believe the earth is 6000 years old and that evolution is a crock. By your latest response I'm lead to believe you feel I should have used the term "scientifically conservative" rather then social conservative. After reading your first response I had to go back and make sure I didn't state "all conservatives are uneducated and stupid." Which of course I didn't state. I stated "Yeah isn't it odd that educated people tend not to be social conservatives?" I then went on to define the type of conservative I was referring to-



Your response to that was-



Since you do not seem to believe the things I pointed out I'm a little lost why you would find my attitude appalling. I'm also confused why you would think-



Again if you yourself do not believe the items I pointed out why would you think it's "backwards thinking?"

As for-



I try not to despise or hate people. In my experience these type of feelings have a much more negative effect on those doing the despising and hating then those being hated and despised.

As for insulting- if you were insulted by my post I apologize. But I have to say I read your post and I find many reasons to be insulted myself. You have me thinking backward and despising people. If I had thinner skin, which I don't, I would be insulted.

Originally Posted by jorgelito (Post 2520338)

It really comes down to in the same way liberals don't like to be generalized or painted with the same brush, neither do conservatives. Perhaps we could all do well to keep that in mind. Sometimes things can get pretty lopsided around here which is why I respond. The attitude I am referring to is more of a directed general application. The overall feeling that many posts have a derisive attitude to any brand of conservatism in general.

Originally Posted by Tully Mars (Post 2520355)

I think part of the problem is the labels we end up assigning people. Which is why I tried to define what I meant by "social conservative" in my post.

Originally Posted by Tully Mars (Post 2520355)

I don't believe the vast majority of conservatives would approve of the way the Westboro Baptist Church conducts themselves. Nor do I think the majority of liberals would agree with the Earth Liberation Front activities. There are extremes on both ends, no doubt about it.