Willravel

In 8 years Chelsea will be old enough to be President, 8 years after that, it could be one of the idiots in the Bush family. We could be looking at an indefinite Bush or Clinton presidency.

I might vote for Chelsea, she's a smart cookie.

SecretMethod70

Precisely.

First, I actually prefer Obama's policy positions. His technology stances are particularly to my liking, and I was very happy to hear that he has consulted with Lawrence Lessig regarding some of them. It makes me hopeful for the future of copyright under an Obama administration.

Second, I prefer Obama's character. Clinton is, as they say, "more of the same" in terms of politician character. There are lots of complaints to be made about the way politics plays out in this country, and many people eventually shrug it off as "that's just politics." Lawrence Lessig made a video explaining why he supports Obama (which I posted on TFP and linked to in my signature), and his examples of Clinton blatently twisting Obama's words and actions to give a wrong impression against him are very concerning to me. Not because I think it makes her worse than the average politician, but because Obama provides a rare opportunity to reward someone who does what he can to avoid playing by those "rules."

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levite

Hillary is, for better or worse, as electable as anyone out there. If the Democratic Party nominates her, I'll vote for her.

That doesn't mean I have to like her or support her.

As much as I am vastly indifferent to Barack Obama, given his lack of any notable political accomplishments, I still think it'd be better to roll the dice on New Boy than to go with Hillary.

I think she is a ruthless political opportunist who has no agenda except power for herself. The only thing of any substance she did as First Lady was to support universal health care. The first thing she did to gear up for getting elected to the Senate was to sell out health care reform by taking money from HMOs, insurance companies, and Big Pharm. She's been a supporter of this idiotic war, and her activism in the Senate on any kind of progressive issue you might mention has ranged from tepid to non-existent. She has taken every opportunity she can to cozy up to the Republicans, and to take campaign donations from anyone who will hand her money.

The only difference, in my mind, between her and McCain or Huckabee is which wing of the Republican party they come from.

And yes, that's the only difference. If anything, her balls are probably bigger than theirs.

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allaboutmusic

Oh I was just referring to the comment about including the potential Hillary years... that would take Bush-Clinton up to 9 terms of office.

Chelsea Clinton for president? She seems like a smart enough cookie, but I'd be a little concerned about the influence of mommy and daddy.

ubertuber

Yes. That's my bad. I don't mean to indulge in hyperbole when the truth is bad enough.

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rlbond86

The secession wasn't his fault. He put the Union above all else.

n0nsensical

Well, shit, if Larry Lessig supports Obama that's good enough for me. Its not that I hate Billary, its still better than any Republican by name, but they will do anything short of prostitution for votes and they've already been in the white house far too long (but not as far too long as the George Bushes). Im still not entirely convinced that Hillary is human, she could definitely be a robot that repeats a set of approved talking points and cries on demand. I still can't believe women vote for her; what kind of feminist would have Bill for a husband? I got out and voted for Obama in the California primary.. that he lost (he did win my county).. but other states are looking better.

guyy

Hillary is where she is because she's wired in with the Democratic Party elite. Without "super" delegates she'd be even further behind Obama. This is because she doesn't have as much popular appeal as Obama. Perhaps she could still defeat McCain & Huckabee, but i don't think she's the strongest Democratic candidate. She's the most predictable candidate, which makes her more attractive to the status quo.