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This is bs ment to garner support against global warming by saying look no one can prove it. Thats because the word 'prove' in science is a very strict term. Scientists have shown massive correlation but to show causation is much more difficult. Just because no one can prove it is true doesn't mean it is not true.
While were at it we should start a few more challenges disprove 1 of the following: God does exist God does not exist Macro-Evolution is real Macro-Evolution is false That me drinking a can of coke this morning will prevent a massive earthquake in China. Very few things in science can be "proved" to be true. Instead things are shown to likely be true with a certain amount of confidence. |
so it's cool if I live like Al Gore, practically speaking?
Cool man....... I'm ready to buy my H3, throw on a thoughtful bumper sticker that would make the nobel committee proud (and head off any middle fingers from angry college kids)...what else can I do....hmmm this games hard. I don't even really want an H3. GLOBAL WARMING SUCKS!!! |
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Hehe I got a perfect score on the global warming test.
I'm such a perfect little brain washed conservative:hyper: |
Since Steve Milloy (= contest judge) doesn't believe there's any proof of human evolution either, I guess it's a valid contest.
Ottopilot, do you have an opinion that you want to discuss/defend on this subject, or is this just a troll? |
Come on, guys, this is serious. We might lose Malta.
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Gimme another couple years....then ask me again
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Another current prediction is that the sun is entering a solar maximum but you can't buy gain votes complaining against the sun. |
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Would you also find it scientifically interesting if Philip Morris hired someone to put up a website asking for proof that cigarette smoking causes cancer, and nobody won the contest? Would you also find it scientifically interesting if Jimmy Swaggart hired someone to put up a contest telling evolutionists to put up or shut up, and nobody won the contest? Would you also find it scientifically interesting if a flat-earther created a web contest for round-earthers to submit their “proof”, and nobody won the contest? Is this how you form your personal scientific beliefs, by surfing the web for contests? If you answer all these questions in the affirmative, then you’ve won my contest, and “proven” to my satisfaction that this thread is a parody. If not, then maybe there’s a little fodder for discussion somewhere here. |
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Just as know one will ever prove the existence of anything paranormal to the satisfaction of the godly James Randi, know one will ever prove man-made global warming to the satisfaction of these guys. The real trolls are the UGWC (whatever the fuck that is), & JREF. They lure them in with the money, tear any evidence to shreds (which is easily done, no matter how compelling the evidence), then dismiss all comers. I'm sure they must then pat each other on the back, & congratulate each other on their flawless logic.......... |
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Personally I think this, like many things, gets hyped completely out of proportion. Yes, global average temperatures are rising. We know this. The IPCC has shown to a reasonable degree of probability that the cause of this warming is partially anthropogenic (caused by humans). They arrived at that conclusion largely through meta-analysis and synthesis of hundreds of seperate reports. This is an indication that there may be something to the assertion that global warming is a man-made phenomenon. I'm not invested enough to go through the sourced articles in the 2001 report, but I think it's interesting that meta-analysis was the main source of concern, given that meta-analysis is somewhat unreliable. I found it interesting that the IPCC highlighted the flaws in their own analysis method multiple times; in particular they showed two different numbers for the degree to which warming has impacted various species, citing different exclusion factors used to arrive at the separate conclusions. Basically, global warming at this stage should be categorized as a hypothesis. Initial analysis of trends does show a correlation between anthropogenic factors and increased global temperatures, but the conclusion that we're destroying the planet by driving our cars too much is far from certain. On the other hand, global warming does make a great political platform. Take from that what you will. |
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Has anyone else noted the endless back and forth on the causes of Climate Change, and the simple conclusion that we all use the debate to avoid actually dealing with this unfortunate reality?
I have noted a pattern in the larger issue, in that most persons of any education on the subject tend to agree we are experiencing an increase in temperatures, at a rate not seen before in the records we can gain access to. This leads to a conclusion that perhaps we should address the impacts such changes will have on our species as a whole. Yet, instead of trying to deal with expanding desert areas, fluctuating weather patterns, changes in ocean levels, and damage to coastal areas expected from this climate change....we spend our time beating the long dead CO2 horse, and try to find blame for something that is likely to hurt many people over a very long period of time. Why cant we all just agree to disagree on the causes, and focus on the actual issues? |
My thoughts exactly, tecoyah.
Why do we need to prove or disprove our negative impact? Why not find out what positive influence we can have? |
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So the argument is actually highly relevant. |
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However, you can't find a solution when you don't know fully what the problem is. We have an idea (increasing global temperatures), but we don't know the causes or effects with enough affirmation to state the problem and go about solving it. |
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If it’s a parody, then I compliment your comic instincts. If not, then I have to conclude, sadly again, that irony is truly dead. |
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There's alot of anger of the contest, but not alot has been said about the GLOBAL WARMING TEST. Has anyone learned anything?
....of course not. |
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I agree, it is important to know what the causes are in order to be able to find solutions, however, I don't think the determining factor of whether or not there is anything we can do is directly (or only) related to whether or not global warming is anthropogenic. I believe that there are things we can do if we know the cause even if global warming is not anthropogenic. The actual cause will be the determining factor of whether or not there is anything we can do. For example, IF the (only) cause is the sun and we know it, can't we work on ways to protect the earth from the effects of ths sun? |
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As statistics is only a means of determining correlation and not causality (drink a Coke a day to keep the earthquakes in China away and what naught), does that mean we shouldn't take care of the planet? Last I checked it would take a millennium to terraform Mars and I am one of those impatient people for cool stuff like terraforming a planet. EDIT: gotta go with Tecoyah on this. Regardless of how responsible human beings and human technology are towards causing climate change, it can't hurt to think green. |
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Look, nobody's saying global warming isn't happening. Temperatures have gone up in the last century or so; the exact amount and the causes are open to discussion, but that it's happening isn't. How do we know that this is a bad thing, though? I mean, sure, species are going extinct. Go talk to the dinosaurs, they'll tell you that's been happening for hundreds of millions of years. Ecological systems are changing; that happens too. Your last statement actually highlights a lot of the misunderstanding, I think. The sun isn't the sole cause here, because there is no one single cause. There's myriad small causes and factors and circumstances that, when taken together, seem to indicate that there may be a problem. Or maybe not. We don't really know because, as Ustwo pointed out, the whole thing is far too complicated for us to be able to really effectively isolate any one individual case of cause and effect. Quote:
You can try to disprove the whole heliocentric solar system thing, though. Y'know, if you want to. |
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I used the word if and capitalized it on purpose hoping that no one would think that I was saying the sun is the cause. I was just try point out that there may be non-anthropogenic causes that we may be able to resolve/avoid if we knew what they were. I was trying to say that it is possibel that we can do something about non-anthropogenic causes as well. |
Well here is a scientific test. In order to determine the extent of anthropogenic causes towards climate change, I will require all nations and people of the world to Think Green, as it is, and adopt all environmentally friendly systems. This will allow for controlling one of the variables in order to observe the affect of all other variables. Evaluations can be made however-the-hell-often you feel like it. This would be the most expensive test ever conducted: do you know how many people and companies I would have to bribe!
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Imagine we do something to lower the global temp, hurray! Then we get two volcanic eruptions....oh shit... |
Isn’t “The world is waaay too complicated, how could I have possibly known this would happen” the Official Motto of the Darwin Award?
If it isn’t, I think it should be. Maybe we should take up a collection to have it inscribed on every winner’s grave stone. |
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