the 17th Congress of the CCP:princelings mean legitimacy十七大 太子党是合法性的来源?
 

As outcome of the 17th Party Congress,Xi Jinping, a princeling, whose father is elder Xi Zhongxun, was set as heir presumptive to Hu Jintao.

In the new 25-member Politburo, Xi and his fellow princelings, which come from families of former high-ranking officials, occupy about ten seats. Today,the booming princelings are children of Mao Zedong's red veterans.

The princes of Mao Zedong's Red Army men, however, are the most acceptable in China today.At least,the democrats should know,they are well fed,not so hungry!

Bo Xilai, the trade minister and son of Bo Yibo, one of the eight "immortals" who ran China with Deng Xiaoping.

Liu Yandong's father, Liu Ruilong, former vice minister of agriculture.

Li Yuanchao's father, Li Gancheng, was vice mayor of Shanghai.

Wang Qishan, a "princeling" son-in-law of late vice premier Yao Yilin.

Zhou Yongkang's father,Zhou Yiping, former Vice Commissar of the Commission of Science, Technology, & Industry for National Defense.

Yu Zhengsheng,the son of former Tianjin mayor and minister of the First Machine-Building Ministry Huang Jing (whose original name was Yu Qiwei).


新一届中央政治局委员：习近平、王刚、王乐泉、王兆国、王岐山、回良玉（回族）、刘淇、刘云山、刘延东（女）、李长春、李克强、李源潮、吴邦国、汪洋、张高丽、张德江、周永康、胡锦涛、俞正声、贺国强、贾庆林、徐才厚、郭伯雄、温家宝、薄熙来

政治局常务委员会委员：胡锦涛、温家宝、吴邦国、贾庆林、李长春、习近平、李克强、贺国强、周永康。

习近平，政治局常委中的一颗新星，与外国有着良好的关系。美国财长鲍尔森是他的私人朋友。习近平的父亲习仲勋是中国的开国元勋，曾任政治局委员、书记处书记。

李克强是70年代末高考恢复之后第一批北大学生，曾任北大学生会主席，共青团中央书记处第一书记。
值得注意的是，在政治局的25名成员中，接近一半的人有着与习仲勋同样著名的父亲或是岳父。也许共产党领导层认为，这样的"太子党"会对党更为忠诚。所谓"太子党"指的是高干子弟，包括裙带关系者。在十七大新出炉的中委及候补中委名单，知名的"太子党"将近二十位。

薄熙来的父亲为中共元老薄一波；王歧山的岳父为前副总理姚依林。至于俞正声为前机械工业部俞启威之子；张德江父亲则为济南军区炮兵副司令员张志毅。刘延东，农业部常务副部长刘瑞龙之女。李源潮父亲李干成担任过上海市委常委、副市长。

"太子党"受重用在军中更为明显。军委委员、空军司令员许其亮，空军原副政委许乐夫之子。二炮政委彭小枫，父为抗日将领彭雪枫。成都军区政委张海阳，为前军委副主席张震之子。沈阳军区政委张又侠，父为中共第一代上将张宗逊。军科院长刘源，父为前国家主席刘少奇。总政副主任刘晓江，为前总书记胡耀邦女婿。

另外，根据"远东经济观察"的报导，90%资产在1亿美元以上的中国人是高干子弟，那么将最富有中国人的代表选入"商会"领导层也是顺理成章的。

OK, they're not a majority in the Politburo, and China isn't exactly a bastion of democracy. What exactly are we discussing here?

I'm sceptical of any new users who immediately jump into the politcs forum with obscure threads(tend to be trolls or people plugging sites).

Regardless, I'm not sure what's to discuss either.

Yeah something is odd in this post. Whats up with posting in Chinese?

the link in his profile to his homepage goes to another forum. This is all looking weird to me

Somewhere in China an internet cafe just got shut down.

Assuming TFP is viewable in the People's Republic of China, Yin Minhong seems to be using this site to voice some level of decent. I certainly don't have a problem with decent of an oppressive government, but all recent things being considered I'd not be surprised if things like this risked TFPs removal from China. Frankly, considering how active our Politics section, I'm surprised it didn't happen already.

The OP is about the "princlings" being a system of control.

朋友 我们带来了不起的新闻从西部前线 -> censored
 

朋友 避免违背和风险干预由政治局请记住张贴用英语和是肯定避免所有幽默 讽刺 或讽刺的形式在政治论坛 -> censored

Translation: Please avoid violating the rules. Remember that you're risking exposure(?) to the Chinese gov by posting this. Please avoid satire in the political forum.

Holy crap, are you KIDDING me??? The OP is a spammer, TFP is probably viewable in China and the government does not give a shizz about this dinky little messageboard in cyberspace.

Sorry, but true.

Gah, posts like this just reveal the pervasive ignorance we Westerners have about the east. Once again, sorry, but true. Red scare is soooo 1960s.

Don't forget that I'm very, very smart.

This is google China: http://www.google.cn/
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2006/...-in-china.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4056255.stm
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6426.html

If a forum became noticeably problematic, they, the government of the People's Republic of China, would have no qualms about preventing Chinese citizens from accessing it. China does not have free speech that you might find in the US or Europe (among other places).

Don't forget you're feeding a troll and this forum is so insignificant that the government doesn't care.

Baiting users into an argument... I don't really see it. I mean most posts in TFPolitics are intended to spark debate.

BTW, if this is a troll, you're feeding it, too.

Just a thought - but if the post is not in English, how can moderators check the content.

We checked the content of the English part. We also agreed that it was most likely posted by someone who'd never be back but that the discussion might have some value. So far, it looks like we're right.

If you plug in basic Chinese into a translator, you can usually get the gist of what they're saying.

Nah, just speaking out against the misconceptions about my motherland.

"Motherlands" are overrated. I don't get the concept of being loyal to the government and people of a place you happen to be born into.

How about a culture?

I was born and raised in the States.

Whatever, go ahead and attack me for .... uhh.. having some cultural/ethnic pride? Or.... wanting to dispel the fearmongering?

Fear of the Sleeping Dragon is the new Orientalism.

A government spying on it's people is culture? You sure you want to go down that road?

HAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAAAA!!!!!!

A people's history that dates back to 2000 BC sure as hell is culture.

Mmmhmm, considering America also spies on its people and we consider ourselves VERY cultured.... we're walking that road, brother.

:rolleyes:

Whatever, man.

China's got a rich and diverse history. It will rise up as a world superpower on its own, without relying on the West.

Plenty of local Chinese have a bad impression of Americans as loud, obnoxious, know-it-all, arrogant ignoramuses and hypocrites who decry the Chinese government while aggressively courting cheap labor. Wonder why.

There's a long history of Western countries (and Japan) trying to invade and carve up China. Hence the caution about opening trade up. Ain't nothing wrong with focusing on domestic growth. Who wants to see McDs and Starbucks' take over China when you can get awesome homegrown fastfood chains and homegrown industry?

Please, go ahead and argue for the sake of FREE SPEECH FREE SPEECH! And condemn China for its censorship but you don't live there and you've never been there (it seems) and you aren't going there... so it's nothing but uninformed armchair protesting from a citizen of a country that's equally guilty of censorship and misinformation.

We've got our own problems in the States to deal with. Like the severe lack of World Cultures education in our schools. Or the censorship. Or the human rights violations. Or the preemptive war. Or the lack of health care. Or the income gap. Or the way the lack of information and proliferation of media spin conveniently keeps our citizens ignorant and easy to herd like cattle.

Sounds like it's time to get educated.

You're not addressing my point. The thread is about boycotting the olympics because China's government is oppressive. I cite as an example of this internet censorship (something that hasn't hit the US yet), and you say something about culture. Okay, I say to myself, what does spying and censoring have to do with culture? Then you reply with "We've been around for 2000 years!" Um, actually people have been in China for hundreds of thousands of years, and the Xia dynasty was 2070 BCE (something anyone can figure out with wikipedia). But none of that has jack to do with the thread.
So because one US administration has screwed the pooch in a major way the US and China are on equal footing? Or is it that the behaviors of the Chinese government are inexcusable and instead of addressing them, which would go along with the thread, you're deflecting?
It's relying on the west right now a great deal, and the reason it didn't develop as a superpower on it's own was because of partisanship and xenophobia in the 1400s. Hilariously, it was because China was a unified "culture" that 30 years of poor government caused expansion to come to a standstill allowing Spain and thus Europe to gain a strong lead. Of course, you know all about that being educated and all.

The point is that stupid government is China's worst enemy, and oppression and censorship is massively stupid.
Tell you what, guess how many time I've been to China, then guess how many friends I have there. Then guess what that has to do with being educated about a region or country.

Here is some information for the uninformed.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/...in531567.shtml
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/world...t.exclude.html
http://www.cfr.org/publication/11515/
http://www.cecc.gov/pages/virtualAcad/exp/
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/filtering/china/
So because we have problems no one else does? Or we should just ignore them?

You know, while I have a lot of respect for Chinese culture and China as a whole, I think you might want to tone down that jingoism.

China has a very dark history as well, with 10's of millions dying of starvation in the last 60 years, by a government worried more about politics than the lives of its own people.

so it's nothing but uninformed armchair protesting from a citizen of a country that's equally guilty of censorship and misinformation.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9067/tenij2.jpg

And still, don't ask for too much freedom.....

Actually no, not unless you are counting homoerectus as people.

The oldest humans there would be about 60,000 years and thats pushing it,

Well Homo Sapiens showed up around 200,000 years ago, but you're right in that fossil evidence only has samples of humans there dating back 67,000 years. I stil have a strong suspicion that humans were there long before then, but it's not really relevant.

Thins Willravel and Ustwo agree on:
Theism
China

Things Willravel and Ustwo don't agree on:
Everything else

Looks like list #1 is growing. :tumbsup:

Actually its mitochondrial evidence that put the earliest possible in the area around 60,000, haplogroup B. Now maybe their were humans there prior but for that to be true, all of those humans have died out and have no living descendants on the planet, at least not unless they lived there, all went to Africa and then left again.

I agree 100%.

When I hear motherland, or fatherland, or homeland - I get worried. It seems like a ploy to get people scared or aggressive. (Did you say something about my motherland?)

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