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RAMONES!!! 06-15-2003 07:11 AM

Few Iraqis Meet the Deadline for Turning in Their Guns
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Jun14.html
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BAGHDAD, June 14 -- The Iraqi guard at the entrance of the police academy, one of several places where citizens could surrender illegal weapons to U.S. occupation forces, shook his head when asked how many had met today's deadline for handing over guns without penalty.

"We've had plenty of reporters, but no weapons come in," he said.

A two-week weapons amnesty program designed to reduce the number of heavy armaments in the hands of Iraqis ended today with scant results. Nationwide, 123 pistols, 76 semiautomatic rifles and shotguns, 435 automatic rifles, 46 machine guns, 162 antitank rocket-propelled grenade launchers, 11 antiaircraft weapons and 381 hand grenades had been turned in as of this morning, according to the U.S. military. There seemed to be no last-minute rush.

U.S. officials, while describing the response as light, were quick to explain that the goal was never to disarm Iraqis, but principally to inform them that banned weapons must not be carried in public. As of Sunday, it will be illegal for Iraqis to carry weapons in public without a permit. Nor can they possess or hide machine guns, high explosives, weapons designed to destroy armored vehicles or aircraft or arms that fire ammunition larger than 7.62mm. However, troops will not go house to house in search of such arms. Rather, the U.S. military will rely on "actionable intelligence" in making raids on suspected caches.

No one knows how much weaponry rests in Iraqi civilian hands. Farmers carry rifles into their fields, and motorists routinely pack pistols and AK-47 assault rifles in their cars. Rare is the wedding celebration that does not include a fusillade of rifle fire to greet the happy couple.

As ambushes of U.S. troops have increased markedly in recent weeks, getting guns off the streets has become a priority for occupation forces. Commanders have reported several busts of weapons caches, including one today that uncovered 300 tank and artillery shells, 475 rocket-propelled grenades and 1,000 light arms.

Still, it is not clear how public possession will be curbed. In Baghdad, a city of 5 million people, less than half the Iraqi police force is on duty. They lack squad cars and, in any case, take to the streets only in the company of U.S. armored or heavily armed jeep units.

At a district police station in eastern Baghdad, military police Lt. Andrew Sherzinger said only two Iraqis had dropped by to surrender weapons -- one machine gun and a grenade launcher -- during the amnesty period.

"It's hard to figure the effectiveness of the policy anyway," Sherzinger said. "According to the rules, it's okay to keep an AK-47 in your home. But if there are 20 males in the house, does that mean each can have a rifle? That would be enough to arm a militia."
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well..

The_Dude 06-15-2003 02:07 PM

like they expected a mass turnout in the first place.


what incentive do they have?

offer them something in return, preferebly cash and you can see 'em flowing in

seretogis 06-16-2003 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by The_Dude
like they expected a mass turnout in the first place.


what incentive do they have?

offer them something in return, preferebly cash and you can see 'em flowing in

Yeah, I'm shocked that they didn't offer a weapon-buyback program. We could buy the AKs for $50 per weapon, and then sell them to Iranians. :D

KillerYoda 06-17-2003 01:39 AM

I wonder if the NRA is okay with this?:p

seretogis 06-17-2003 01:54 AM

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Originally posted by KillerYoda
I wonder if the NRA is okay with this?:p
At the moment, Iraq has more freedom when it comes to firearm-ownership than we do in the US. If I'm not mistaken, Iraqis are still allowed to own fully automatic rifles, they just need to keep them in their homes for personal protection.

Sparhawk 06-17-2003 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by seretogis
At the moment, Iraq has more freedom when it comes to firearm-ownership than we do in the US. If I'm not mistaken, Iraqis are still allowed to own fully automatic rifles, they just need to keep them in their homes for personal protection.
I see a mass migration of NRA members in our future. ;)

The_Dude 06-17-2003 04:28 AM

that's less conservatives we have to worry about! (JOKE!, dont take seriously)

seretogis 06-17-2003 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sparhawk
I see a mass migration of NRA members in our future. ;)
Naw, I've shot a full-auto on a couple of occasions and while it is "neat", it's not something that I would spend hours lobbying for the right to do.

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Dude
that's less conservatives we have to worry about! (JOKE!, dont take seriously)
Omg, don't make me get Harry Browne to kick your butt! :D

Sparhawk 06-17-2003 05:56 AM

I've done the 3-round burst. Next time I go to Panama, though, I'm playing around with an AK-47 *grin*

subaqua 06-17-2003 07:02 AM

Maybe the coalition (see, spreading the blame) should start an incentive scheme whereby local villagers collect up weapons, and in exchange for every automatic weapon handed in we agree to sweep clear an acre of land for mines and unexploded cluster bomb munitions.

win/win situation, surely.

Scipio 06-17-2003 08:54 AM

The Iraqi populace will always be armed. Suppose you lived in Dallas, only there were no police. Wouldn't you want an AK-47?

Hey, at least Saddam's gone ;)

geep 06-17-2003 09:52 AM

I think in Iraq an AK-47 is more of a fashion statement than protection. It didn't stop Saddam from rounding them up and planting them in mass graves.

Daval 06-17-2003 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sparhawk
I see a mass migration of NRA members in our future. ;)

Now wouldnt that be nice!

Macheath 06-17-2003 02:42 PM

Any NRA members who went to Iraq wouldn't be alone, they could hang out with Franklin Graham's Christian fundies.

They could build God and Gun Clubs with golf courses, rifle ranges and towering churches of glass and steel - keep the unsaved out with razor wire and gun turrets.

"Your ass may belong to my M-16 but your soul belongs to Samaritan's Purse"

reconmike 06-17-2003 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sparhawk
I see a mass migration of NRA members in our future. ;)
I have plenty of hardware, I dont need to go to Iraq again to use it.

KillerYoda 06-17-2003 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Scipio
The Iraqi populace will always be armed. Suppose you lived in Dallas, only there were no police. Wouldn't you want an AK-47?
There are police in Dallas?

Easytiger 06-18-2003 04:04 PM

The irony of Americans disarming people...


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