WW2 yes, Hitler was able to do what he did to Jews and "liberal thinkers" because he sold to the German people a vision of the master race which was in part Christian.

The Huns, Vikings and Mongols killed millions????? Hmmmm didn't know that, considering during those times there weren't that many people on Earth. They were after land but their religion never came into play.

Rome did not decimate cities, they laid siege and if necessary did battle them, but in the end they would make peace treaties with those cities stating Rome would protect them, but allowed those cities their freedom of religions.

What about Manifest destiny, the tribes in North America, South America, the Polynesians, the Africans, the Indian sub continent, China during the European imperialistic/ colonial age?

Not lies, facts.

True, Christianity doesn't promote the violence it once did, nor have wars between the denominations it had when they were all forming.

But, if we look at the history of how the churches ruled the areas, the militant structure based on religion, the "we must kill or convert" thinking that was prevelant in those times, we find the same thinking now.

Perhaps, it is a part of religion's aging that accepts violence, hatred, prejudices in order to convert more. Fear, jealousy, prejudice work wonders in keeping a population suppressed into a controlled belief.

Watching how "Christians" will bomb abortion clinics, form groups like the KKK, tell people how to vote, form prejudices and hate groups in "His name" and so on, yes those are extreme examples, but we don't hear Pat Robertson speaking out on abortion clinic bombings, burning crosses and so on, do we?

So why do we expect every Imam to speak out against their extremists?

Especially when religion can be a great tool for power and control.

Ah, yes the Hitler was christian/used it to motivate his final solution. What don't you ask the polish catholics, or hell, any catholics of the region how Hitler treated them.

Really? We're taught in Christianity there are master races? Point that out in the Bible.

There weren't that many people on Earth? Are you serious? One city alone had over 2 million... yet there were not many people alive.

Mongols killed between 200,000 to a million people IN ONE CITY when they took Baghdad. But dont forget when they took all of China, massacred everyone in Semirechye, estimated massacre of 1.5 million inhabitants of Khwarazmian Empire, conquoring of Korea, Northern India, and the areas above the Caspean and Black Seas.

The Huns? Read up on Aquileia and why it no longer exists (Hint: Used to be the Jewel of N. Italy)

Actually their religion DID come into play. The Mongols believed that life in the afterlife depended on the successes of one's life. The Vikings believed that dying in battle was the only way into Valhalla. The Huns believed in the prophecy of Atilla's sword, which was granted by one of their Gods.

Thank you. If anything Hitler was Pagan. The rituals for their SS were taken from pagan rituals and symbols. While very few shared with Christianity, if you can show me where Christian symbols were used go ahead (and not the Iron Cross, that belonged as a symbol of Germany for millenia).

Every major religion has had it's "Dark Days", so to speak.

I believe the point here is that Islam is one of the only religions to explicitly advocate violence towards people of differing backgrounds; It's either convert or die. Most of the other mainstream religions advocate peace before violence and don't seem to take a hard of a stand against people of differing religions (Though, in the Old Testament, God did command the Jews to completely destroy the pagans).

I've read arguments that suggest the Islamic world is going through the early stages of a religious reformation, not unlike the Protestant Reformation of Europe.

What sucks is the reformation seems to be going backwards, more countries with Sharian law are popping up, not going away.

I believe I stated he used it to sell his persecutions.



Yes, I am very serious and show me in the history books where a city of 2 million was taken out completely (every living person) pre-nuke. Actually show me a City (not a region, not a country) where there were 2 million people living before 1800.

You have proof, let me see the history books can I have a link? As a former history major, I would be very interested in seeing this as I have never even heard of this.

Really, and there were 2 Million in this city also?


I'll grant you that.


I did not say Hitler or the leaders was doing it in the name of Christianity, they sold the idea it was being done in the name of Christianity. And yes, he killed the Catholics too, because they were not "part of the Christian master race" he "envisioned".

And no, Hitler nor the leaders were Pagan.

I am not going to argue this anymore, my point obviously was lost. My point is that Christianity went through their time of "convert or die" terrorism and violence (and the differing denominations did it also). So we cannot blame nor condemn Islam as a whole, as some people seem to be doing.

When we have our "church" leaders appologize for abortion clinic bombings, the KKK, burning crosses, manifest destiny, and so on, then I'll expect an appology from the other religious leaders.

Until then, I see organized religion for what it is, a way to control masses by fear and to gain power by promising a better life on "the other side".

Ok, 1 million in Ancient Rome. And London had a population of 1 million in the 1800 census.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258)

Thank you for the link it was an interesting read, I do appreciate it.

Accoding to one Congresswoman, Marilyn Musgrave, the culture war is not with muslim extremism.... the greatest battle we face today is with gay marriage:

I believe that when you’re in a cultural war like this, you have to respond with equal and hopefully greater force if you want to win this battle. But this battle is the most important issue that we face today, and what an honor it has been to serve in the United States Congress and carry the Marriage Amendment.

Last time, we were 54 votes short in this legislative session. That’s 9 votes more than we had last year. But there is much work to be done. So I hope that you will realize how high the stakes are. The future is grim unless we do what we need to do to win this battle. We need to elect people to positions of authority in the states and in the United States Congress, and we need to fight the good fight for our children and our grandchildren. Thank you very much

I only added this because I think the respective histories and messages of Islam and Christianity have been played out pretty well here and are on the verge of becoming repetitive.

http://www.gulfnews.com/world/Spain/10070077.html

Looks like some people are finally speaking up. The PM of Spain simply states the truth that no one bats an eye when Muslims demand extermination of entire races and never apologizes. Yet when the Pope quotes a long dead leader everyone on both sides is up in arms.

Wow, sounds like the Middle-ages and the crusades all over again. The human race is so stupid.