Hey FOX NEWS, It's PRIME MINISTER, you collective bunch of ignorant hacks!
 

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Fuck me...

That is like us stepping on the ol' Stars and Stripes. What would the average yank do?

I think someone should get fired over this. Is this what has become of news, and the people employed in the business?

Doesn't anybody fact check articles anymore?

Are you mad at FoxNews or just mad because the liberals got thrown out on their arses?

I'm mad at ignorant American assholes, and your avatar is offensive and not funny.

I wonder if they even know that Conservative and Liberal
mean very different things than they do in the US.

Prime Ministyrion was too long?
We would still be asking, "Yea, but who was President?"

Don't fret. The easiest way to understand their intended audience is to watch their broadcast edition for thirty minutes, including the advertisements. (goes for left/right/center)

We're just the nutty idiots down south.
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It's Fox and who cares? Although I doubt that the Limbaughs and O'Reillys will point out how ignorant and idiotic it is for a supposed "fair and balanced" news service to make such a 2nd or 3rd grade like mistake.

Who knows maybe Fox has decided the Canadians need to start calling their PM, President.

Now a rant.......


Notice how quickly some people changed the subject to attack those of differing political beliefs instead of giving an opinion on the topic....... classic.

There was no true political position taken in the topic, just someone pointing out Fox screwed up.

Yet, someone tried to turn it into the liberals attacking Fox because there is no difference between calling someone President and PM...... I guess. :rolleyes:

"I have no opinions, I don't care about the news, I just crucify liberals every chance I get." :rolleyes:

BTW, I agree with Daost, I have said it before and to mods, I find NCB's avatar very racist and juvenile...... but freedom of speech and all that.

all papers make mistakes but this one should not have been made at all, websites make them even faster.

But...

Whatever happened to Editors actually editing???? I see lots of times in articles bottom addendums for corrections from politics to travel articles.

How about we change the US title to Commisar then see what you have to say on the subject. I'd hardly say the margin of victory by the conservatives was the Liberals getting 'thrown out on their arses'.

You do know NCB that we will most likely be going back to the polls in 18 months give or take a few, so the yank neo-cons don't need to be popping the bubbly already, Harper will be kept in check so he doesn't get to far up dubya's ass.

I like the rest agree that your avatar is very racist, seems funny yet typical that you'd be making fun of someone who was tortured in your yank prisons. I wonder how you'd feel if someone had an avatar of a yank getting his head lopped off, you'd probably be up in arms.

Did you expect anything less than that Pan? I know I sure didn't, they can't even give an opinion on something without trying to drag political beliefs into it.

To his defence, I did post this in Tilted Politics, instead of General Discussion. Dragging political beliefs into this place is encouraged, I think.

And having said that, let the record show that I defend nothing else he has to say.

/ben runs off to find new avatar

1. FoxNews is and has been a target of the Left since its inception. If this was CBSNews, it would be chalked up as an honest mistake and the anger filled post would not have been posted. To think otherwise is both naive and intellectually dishonest

2. The avatar is a politcal statement. Me and my family have experienced true racism and discrimination, so please spare me the lecture. Youre white and come from a privilaged background and wouldnt know what racism really is if it hit you square in the face.

3. This is a private website and thus there is no freedom of speech. The owner and mods have granted people here that freedom and we should all be thankful for that privledge.

I've always found this to be a great avatar Ben, there really is quite the resemblance between dubya and a monkey.
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Hahaha, yet again telling people what they would have done, you have no clue what people would have done NCB, to think you do is just stupid.

Another funny one, you seem to know a lot about people you know nothing about. If you're saying I come from a privilaged background, then I hope you have some proof of this, otherwise you look rather ignorant and seem to think you have the market cornered on the sad story. :rolleyes:

I wasnt talking to or about you. Read my post a little more carefully and you'd see that

So how is a President different than a Prime Minister, truly?

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I don't find your Avatar racist or discriminatory.

I find it FUCKING OFFENSIVE, that's what I find it.

There are better and more effective ways to make political statements than to run an avatar like that.

You are right. This is a privately owned website. No freedom of speech. I hereby make my request public: I want you to change your avatar, in the spirit of the TFP. If not willingly, I request that the powers that be do it for you, to show you that statements such as that have no place here.

Don't tell me what I would have done if it had not been Fox News. Again, to presume that I have a certain political agenda is faulty. I am shaking my head at Fox News, and would have done the same to CNN, BBC, NBC, CBS, anyone else. It was a stupid third-grade mistake, as posted above.

yes, that is offensive. Our country right next door and an editor was too ignorant to catch that one?
If I were you, I'd write a really nasty note.

I see. So because someone pointed out a mistake and because they are Canadian and took offense..... that makes them evil and hating Fox News. Thus they can't be offended, post the mistake and say so.

wow...... so much for freedom.

Even though most of the time I find Ben to be very fair (although at times he is more to the right than I) and about as neutral (as far as partisanship goes) as they come on this board.

And you have proof I never experienced racism????? You have proof my life has been priveleged?

BTW there was no lecture it was my OPINION. And I stood up for your right to keep it. Yet you turn my opinion and personally attack me?

True, but Hal and the mods do a damn good job of protecting our right to speak freely. If they didn't I have a feeling your avatar would have been gone.

I find it offensive and racist but you know what..... I accept and respect your right to hold whatever beliefs and whatever meaning you care to put on that avatar.

Yet, you refuse me the same respect by attacking me for my beliefs and saying what I feel about it.... interesting.

thrown out on their asses? I don't think that happened, and I don't think that BigBen is too upset with that,not that I would speak for him. Just my interpretation.

question, why is everybody upset over your avitar of Elphaba singing? That is the Wicked Wich of the West isn't it? Or am I missing something?


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having read through some more posts, I see that your avitar is racist and involves torture. I'm not in the "Know" in this respect, so most likely am missing something.

To further elucidate the "thrown out on their asses" comment: The Liberal party of Paul Martin received fewer seats in the election than the Conservative party of Stephen Harper (103 to 124). In Canada you need to win 155 seats to form a majority government. So, the conservatives hold a slim lead and form a Minority government, along with a very strong Liberal and left of Liberal opposition.

A vote of non-confidence, usually a budget vote, can bring the government down if the Conservatives all vote, and there are more than 124 combined votes against it. This is basically the scenario that prompted this election.

Hopefully that doesn't happen again too soon. Sometimes I think that the Yank method of scheduling Federal elections every 4 years is more efficient/stable.

So, based on the numbers, you could say that the Conservatives have been "thrown in on their asses" and it's their government to lose now.

it's unprofessional, ignorant and insulting that a media conglomorant(sp) like Fox would report such an error. I mean, get real. It's not about how much American's know or understand about Canada, our system, culture and way of life. But if you are going to report on a change in government in one of the worlds leading econominic nations and the US's largest international trade partner (and visa versa) then at least do some bleeping research!!!!!!

Afterall though, this is Fox so it's sort of expected. They'll probably report some story about how Harper is right of center an wants to merge with the US and form one big country.

It's no different then when conservative jump on CBS and the NYT for their bias. The left and right both have their whipping boys and FoxNews is one of the lefts. And oh, l little irony: Canada doesnt allow the transmission of FoxNews channel :lol:





Yes, you are privilaged. You reminded us several times in tax cut threads that your father is a millionaire who would love to pay more in taxes.

Amen. Props to them for that


Attack you? How, by quoting you? I dont attack anyone on this site. Their beliefs yes, but never personally.

Do you know why it would have been chalked up to an honest mistake had CBS done this? Becaue CBS is more dependable that Fox News for truth. They use less 'spin' than Fox News. It is not unreasonable to asume that this may have slipped through due to disinterest in Canada and it's governmental system. It could have also been ignorance (Fox News: what's a Prime Minister?). Fox News has a track record that we have to take into account when looking at a 'mistake' like this one. To ignore that record is "both naive and intellectually dishonest".
I'm white and I was born into a mostly white community. One could even call me previlaged. Of course that has nothing to do with whether one has dealt with discrimination, and everyone knows that. Someone claiming they know discrimination any better than anyone else clearly has no sense of reality.

Fox thinks it's the center of the universe, and this serious error only drives that point home all the faster.

Mods, please note:

I am having a very bad day at work. I really can't say it any clearer than that. Please excuse my very Un-BigBen like atitude and posts. I am shooting from the hip on this one.

NCB, short of inviting you over to my house and showing you that in fact I DO get Fox News (channel 67, if I remember correctly), how can I tell you that you are again, for the thousanth time today, mistaken?

By The Way, you are not invited over.

Then Fox News has only recently been allowed to broadcast in Canada. When did they start btw?

And oh, I love Canada and would live in Vancouver in a heartbeat. :)

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Can I come if I bring honey?

Got this as a response to an email I sent to Fox about the screw-up, hopefully they actually fix it, yet they still try to blame it on the AP.
No idea when they started, but I remember visiting my parents in the summer and sure enough Fox was there, so it wasn't recent that they were 'allowed' to broadcast, it's been going on for a while.

Pray tell... what racism have you faced? I can tell you what I have (I'm white btw).

Gotten ass kicked because of race? Check
Gotten ass kicked because my GF's cousins didnt like me dating their race? Check
Gotten denied plenty of jobs because of race? Check
Been told I would have got the scholarship if I were a different race? Check

Wow... so how pray tell have you had it so rough?

This is really a serious error? Wish there was this much resentment when all those Katrina stories were proven false, those "mistakes" actually matter.

We can make a huge thread all about media bias and both sides would have plenty of ammo. And I'm not sure if you want to compare track records either; your side wouldnt fare too well. However, it was a minor error that clearly got past the fact checkers and editors over there. Its not like it was something that led to the deaths of people overseas, like a certain Newsweek story whcih was proven false. All it did was upset a few Canadians and give fodder to those who love to whip FoxNews.

I'm sorry :icare:
It will improve :)

Let me put it this way....Lets say you go and routinely shoot people. Then you go kick someone in the nuts. You're still wrong for kicking someone in the nuts. It just seems less bad because you shoot people all the time.

Good points, but I'm not complaining. It's just a little much to take when privledged white liberals (not an attack just a fact that pan has disclosed himself in previous threads) declare racism when they have been fortunate enough to live in a bubble.

So again because Fox News isn't aired in Canada ALL Canadians must hate Fox News and none of them have a right to speak out against something Fox said that pissed them off?

And he has pointed out that he would have been just as offended by any other news source.... but you keep ignoring that little tidbit.

And what bias was he jumping on again?????????? Calling the PM Canada's President is biased?


Key words MY FATHER. And no I state my father believes that he should pay his fair share to make sure the system that helped him helps others.

I have also stated my father was extremely poor growing up, my parents started out very poor with me. As most families, it wasn't until my sister and I left that my father made as much as he does now.

But me personally, Yes I have stated I have seen reverse discrimination, I have been attacked for the color of my skin, for my religious views and so on. Nor have I exactly lived a "priviledged life". My mistakes and addictions have taken me to levels not many have gone to and I wouldn't call them "priviledged" in any respect other than for me to look back on and appreciate what I have now.


We agree on something.




Well, lets see you say I was priveledged and truly know not of my history. You attack the fact I dared express an opinion about your avatar, while defending it's being allowed...... and then you bring into what past posts I have said about my father and thus conclude I must be priviledged.

Truth be known I haven't talked to my father since the divorce (I couldn't get him OSU alumni tickets anymore..... poor guy). He considers me a failure because in his eyes I haven't succeeded in life. And not once since I left home did he ever help me, nor have I ever expected him too.

He also hates the fact I am closer to my mother than him.

But he's an asshole who only talks to my sister when he wants tickets to the Fiesta Bowl or wants to use her for something.

So unless you know the whole story...... don't assume anything.

And if you want to know my life history and the prejudices I've seen and how "priviledged my life has been ..... I'll gladly tell you, just ask.

Then he gets offended way too easily.

As for the other statements, we'll agree to disagree. And yes, it was ignorant of me to assume what you have been through in your life. My apologies

I can live with that.

And I sincerely thank you for the appology.

Writing what I did about my father was the most rage I have expressed in his direction for sometime and it was very therapeutic..... so thank you for that in some odd way.

What I find interesting is that in two threads now I've seen more than one complaint about NCB's avatar and it's offensive nature... and yet... no mods have stepped in yet.

I personally find it offensive, not because of what's depicted, but that you (NCB) would make light of your country acting horrificly towards the captives you had in Iraq... disgusting... If I were an American I'd be ashamed of you. Hell... I still am and I'm Canadian.

Well, all they care about here in terms of avatars is that there isn't any feces or underage people. It doesn't have to make sense.

What's offensive about it Ace?

Lets see, you're making light of the torture that your countries soldiers inflicted on captives that were under their supervision. Is that enough of a start for you? Seems from your avatar at least that you condone torture, so I guess then you are alright with the beheadings, or am I mistaken?

NCB

Come over to my place and I'll torture and humiliate you. THEN I'll publicly humiliate you by posting the pictures I took. THEN chuckle about it and create a "humorous" image making light of what I did to you.

would YOU be offended by this?

You do know that stress positions are not considered torture right?

Are all Canadians this offended by someone making a mistake on a AP article? So much for the relaxed neighbors to the north. Welcome back Canada, goodbye Canukistan, its a baby step but I'm pleased.

P.S. they corrected the mistake.

it's possible. Next election, we should put that question on the ballot. (T-minus 18 months...)

A President is head of state = he (or she) PRESIDES oer the country.

A Prime Minister is head of a parliament = he (or she) has to carry the vote in cabinet, and on the floor of the house.

In Canada (and the UK, where I am from) the Queen is the Head of State. In both countries the true power rests with the government, and in the UK the Prime Minister exercises the "Royal Prerogative" and can go to war on the Queens behalf, and pass certain amendments to laws using the "Order in Council" process.

Fundamentally however, if the title is "Prime Minister" it is rude to use the wrong title. If GWB was called "Dictator" or "King" or "Tzar" of the "Unified Territories of America" the Marines might just be sent in... :lol:

If?? Hell, that's said a lot in here, with the occassional Hitler reference thrown in for good measure


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It always was Canada never was canukistan,:rolleyes: that was just a word used by yanks such as yourself who couldn't stand that Canada made their own decisions about what things we should or shouldn't be involved in (Iraq,missle defence)

No one really cares if you're pleased or not, you don't factor into the decisions we make up here and I for one am glad for that. Although I wouldn't be too pleased anyways as has been stated before it is only a minority and they won't be able to do much of anything without help from other parties so don't pop the champagne open yet and think you'll have an ass-kissing government up here.

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They appear to be quite a bit faster than Dan Rather in fixing inaccuracies.

Curse your post, Marv. Now I feel the need for coffee.

I thought Canuckistan was a term of endearment.

/Ben runs off to ask Mal...

Maybe he could change to one of these "inoffensive" ones. I haven't seen anybody whining about them.


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Mine's offensive to Blofelds. Of course, none of the above are blatently racist.

Man I see Canadian liberals are as mean spirited and bitter after a loosing election as American liberals. Just because I'm pleased that the Canadian government has changed hands, even if its only a minority government, that in no way implies that I would expect them to be an American puppet. Despite what your liberal party ran as adds, voting for a government friendly to the US does not mean the US will somehow magicly control Canada. I think its hilarious that the Canadan liberals ran under the banner that a voting conservative was somehow voting for US domination of Canadian politics.

I thought it was quite amusing and its true.

I once 'won' an argument with a liberal and she called me a homophobe, which was very odd since the argument had nothing at all to do with homosexuality.

I've seen Mal use it and it's always been in a humourous sense which I have no problem with at all.

But the context that ustwo used it in is making it seem like we were communists yesterday and today we're 'normal' because the evil liberals aren't in power anymore. Thats what I meant in my post, just to clarify my position.

That was one ad they ran, they hardly ran under that banner, I guess it was the only one you saw though. Not bitter at all, I didn't even vote for the liberals, so I'd hardly call myself a liberal. You may not expect them to be a puppet, but I bet you sure hope they are. Oh well, we'll be doing it all again in a year and a half and then we'll see how that turns out.

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(Not sarcastic). I missed the racist one. Which one is it?

NCB's: it looks like Elphaba to me tho...

:confused: are we seeing the same avatars?

oh... he changed it. Prior to the button, there was a small figure, in a black cloak singin the 'I'm a little teapot' song . It looked like the wicked witch of the west (her name is Elphaba) of Wizard of Oz fame.

The above comment was made in reference to Daoust's "Mad at American Assholes..." statement.

Both statements are what I see passing for political discourse over and over again. What I don't understand is why. If nothing else, it shows a complete unwillingness to discuss anything political in a real sense. How one can consider this political discussion is beyond me. If it weren't for a few big words scattered around here and there, this thread would appear to have been written by a group of rival cheerleading squads. Go, team, go!

In fact, every thread in politics ends up this way. This is, of course, the same sort of behavior we see from our president and just about every other politician in office. But still, aren't you capable of putting some thought into discussions without trying to turn things into an insulting, juvenile, finger-pointing spiral of pointlessness? And by saying "you" I'm not refering to Ustwo alone, but to the whole group of you who continually have these types of "conversations" over and over again. Regardless of the topic, all that is discussed is "conservatives" and "liberals".

How is that any different from grouping us all into little "Ford vs Chevy" fans? As if every "conservative" or "liberal" really think exactly alike. I find it baffling that someone is immediately labeled into one group or another by stating which television channel they happened to see a news story. Absolutely unbelievable. Do you really believe that? If so, you do yourself an injustice.

Politics is an interesting topic. But, for those who take it seriously, it needs to be discussed with those who are willing to give it the respect it deserves. Otherwise, it's just pointless.

When you have key philisophical differences in opinion, it will be like any philosophical discussion, pointless.

I could debate the merit of a flat tax with another conservative in a respectful manner, but how does one debate the merit of flat taxation with someone who thinks wealth needs to be abolished?

One thought is so alien to the other, so bizzar to their world view, that they would be seen as almost insane to have such a view.

And such is where we are.......

And BTW my story is true and really did shock me. It was 1992, and I wasn't used to dealing with the radical left, her comment blindsided me and I won't ever forget it.

It was one of the Abu Gerhib prisoners... :hmm:

I didn't realize that... I thought it was just some weird internet person wearing a black cloak. Now I understand this hullaballoo.

That explains it. Although now I'm worried because my avatar is the bad guy from "The Ambiguously Gay Duo."

I am grateful for the avatar change, whether it was done willingly by NCB or by the insistance of a mod.

Everytime I saw it, I was reminded of what has become of the principles for which I thought our country was known. When those photographs were first published, I saw that we had lost our moral standing throughout the world. I didn't object to the avatar, because I think we should never forget what we did.

Back on topic: My morning paper devoted an entire paragraph to an inside page regarding the election in Canada. That is as equally shameful as Fox getting it wrong.

And this is the bottom line. The idea that Canadian politics are somethying insignificant is symptomatic of the center-of-the-universe-itus that infects us. Canadian politics has a great deal to do with international poltics, as well as American economics, politics, and sociology.

It's funny how those who want freedom are considered to be 'wicked', eh Elphaba? ;)

Doesn't the Prime Minister PRESIDE over the House of Commons?

That would make him a president, and his time a presidency, even if that isn't an official title.

I'm thankful for the change because it became somehow tagged with Elphaba, a voice of reason an calm in these grounds. Yay, Elphaba. I'll follow your research to the ends of the Earth. Thanks for the great stuff you've provided.

I think they are just "misunderstood." :D

PS: Leto, Elphaba would never sing, let alone sing the "tea pot" song. Elph is from the book "Wicked", not from the Wizard of Oz. The Wicked Witch of the West was never named in the movie or the book that preceded it.

Nope that would be the Speaker of the House of Commons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_of_the_house
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker...use_of_Commons

Yes, truthout and personal jabs are great reason and research.

Some of her attacks have been quite over the top, she made some wonderful comments about my wife in general discussion.

I suspect that you are one of the very few who see Elphaba's enormous and intelligent contributions in this way. And by very few, I mean maybe 2 or 3 people out of hundreds. Why do you suppose that is?
If you'd like a list of your personal attacks against other members on TFP, I can compelate that, but it'll take more than a few weeks.

I have to include my 2 cents ( 1 1/2 cents if you convert it to American funds ). This is my opinion for those that choose to use it to benefit themselves or condemn me for apathy. "Try not to be offended by buttons, shirts, ball caps, or anything else with an expression on them." There is a big difference between someone wearing a button with a saying, slogan, or picture you don't like, and burning a cross or painting a swastika on your front door, or of the place you worship. I used to have a T-shirt that I loved to wear around people that had such phrases that were either anti-African-American or anti-Jew. This is what it said:

"It's all about mind over matter....I made up my mind that you don't matter."

-tenchi

Thank you! I warn you that most of it is collected from Truth Out links from other sources. That Ron Paul (R-TX) speech is obviously some sort of liberal/socialist/commie piece that only TO would publish. :rolleyes:

I'm pleased that Ustwo has spent so much time in Truth Out name recognition. :icare:

Never mind, Will. This is an example of why we are encouraged to use the back button.

yes, i read the book about 4 yrs ago, and connected the avatar figure with the witch character. I know the name from the book, and the character from the old movie. The avatar was a dead ringer. Not everybody is aware of the goings on of the abu prison.

I suppose that might be true, but I would have hoped otherwise.

And irony is the word of the day, folks.

it's a question of media exposure. I wold love to be in the know of everything that has occured, globally. And I do know about the goings on of the prison in IRaq, however, a 2 cm avatar figure can be anything to anybody, and it is hard to make a connection sometimes. From what I could see, I still don't see the connection that animated figure and those pictures of prisoners on a leash.