pyramid thoughts??
 

Just a random thought after i saw watching a show about pyramids on television. It said that with the technology we have today we most likely can't build pyramid like the ones in Egypt. If that’s the case then how did the Egyptians build them??? Do you think there was some kind of race of beings that lived back then helped them??? Aliens came to earth and built them??

What’s your thoughts

Holy crap, that show was crazy. Look at the stuff we've built with our technology. Things a lot taller, heavier, and stronger than the pyramids. I saw a show on PBS where they tried to build a smaller pyramid WITHOUT the technology of today, using only levers and whatnot. Some of the guys on the show were engineers, and they actually did a pretty damned good job. Now assuming you had thousands of people, lots of time, and some of the greatest early mathematicians in the world, I'm sure you could pull off building structures as great as the pyramids, or even far greater for that matter. It is all about diligence and tenacity, I believe, not technology.

Herk

I suppose we can't rule out the possiility of something else, but I think that most of the evidence points to what Herk said; "diligence and tenacity".

I would agree with Herk also on this point. If we are able to make the things we can now then we can easily make a pyramid we just need to have the patience to do it and the will. I would like to see a huge group of people make a pyramid somewhere in the US. I think that would be pretty cool to have our own.

shoot...we cant even build houses anymore to last like ones built 100 years ago...I believe we couldnt build a pyramid now that would stand the tests of thousands of years like the ones in egypt have.

well shani not many buildings today are made to last 1000+ years and the pyramids were. We can indeed build things to last for a very long amount of time, especially something relatively simple like the pyramids ( no electricity, stone, no pipes, no vents)

Herk-

I actually have a copy of that show where they try to build a miniature pyramid using ancient techniques. Its call "This Old Pyramid". It was a Nova presentation. If anyone has a chance to see it its great. They have a bunch of different 'experts' come on and try to use different methods that they think the ancients used. One of them fails miserably and a fist fight almost breaks out between a bunch of archeologists.

This seems to be about the same as I feel about it. There was a level of pride those people had back then. It took many hundreds of thousands of men to build them. And many, many years.

But the most interesting thought I ever heard about the "conspiracy" went something like this:
The Egyptians were great record keepers. They had a very thorough language and alphabet. That being the case, why - when building the most magnificient structures ever built, and considering the millions of man hours spent on it - would you not record one thing about how it was built? No diagrams, no charts, nothing.

We may never know the truth.

people now are a lot 'softer' too, the slaves didn't have much choice and they were used to harsh conditions, together i think the millions of them could have done it.

To address the documentation question: it is possible that the pharoah that ordered the construction of the pyramids thought himself to be a great man and wanted history to think of him as a god. Following this, he might have ordered all records destroyed in order for his accomplishment to be singular in history. He wanted to be the only man to have these great wonders.
Just a guess.

alot of the ancient libraries were burned to the ground. i think it was the library at alexandria that held over a hundred of homers writings, and then it was burned down
and now we only have the illiad and the oddesey.thats a possible explanation for what happened to any documentation.
also the pyramids line up with the 3 stars that make up orions belt if you go back to
10,500 b.c. there is also another temple in kambodia that lines up with the constalation draconis.
if you've ever heard of edgar cacey he would go into trances and is said to have
told about the times of atlantis. basically he said the atlantians built the pyramids in egypt and south america before the destruction of atlantis. he also said beneath
one of the feet of the sphinx is a chamber that hold the records of atlantis.

if there was such a chamber it would have been discovered.
also, who cares whether it was egyptians or atlantanians? neither had bulldozers and fork lifts and cranes.

Yes i think that we could make them......of course you do realise how much time it took just to make 1 of the great pyramides.....no one is ever gona waste that much time and resources on anything like that again..

i will, lets do it.

ahh i have got to see this then

Sweet! I almost suggested that it was Nova just becuase of how great the show was, but I wasn't certain. I'm glad somebody could vouch that the show did, in fact, exist. Whew.

I'd love to get a copy of every Nova ever shown. I'm sure that would cost several hundred dollars though.

Herk

that's because the pyramids were already there!

btw: "Egypt" is a derivation of the Greek word Aegyptus

When were they already there? When they were built? When egyptian culture as we know it are credited with their building? I don't understand. And at what point were they not already there?

Also, whomever built these pyramids, I assume, had a great capability to communicate just because of the need for teamwork to create such a thing. So, why would they not have recorded it either?

Herk

I've had similar thoughts lately. The US as a whole (IMO) just doesn't have any great, iconic structures. Sure, we have some tall fucking buildings, but those just don't seem as impressive as something like the Sphynx or the Pyramids.

What I'd like to see, is a gigantic, truncated pyramid with a sky scraper build on top of it -- then the "capstone" of the pyramid on top of the skyscraper, with the all-seeing eye etched onto it. It would look something like the great seal on the $1 bill (except instead of the capstone floating, it would rest atop a skyscraper). Would this be kick-ass or what?

Sounds like the free masons are taking over. :)

1. if they were already there, who built them and how come they are covered with egyptian writing

furthermore, how come carbondating didn't prove that the pyramids were
pre-egypt

2. what does it matter where "Egypt" came from

Uh-oh, nobody believes in Carbon dating anymore. Except, intelligent people that is.

It has been. Ground-penetrating radar has been used and a network of tunnels and rooms has been located under a paw of the Sphinx. The Egyptian Government refuses to allow excavation, and has forbidden some of the researchers who found it from entering the country. It is widely suspected by conspiriologists that this is the hall of records of the Egyptian branch of Freemasonary. If the Masons were around back then, they would be a prime suspect in the mystery of the pyramid's creators. Or, it's possible that all of the plans for the pyramids were deposited in the hall of records and sealed under the Sphinx.

Additionally, the Sphinx shows signs of erosion that indicates rain damage, and completely inconsistent with expectations of wind and sand erosion. Egypt hasn't been a wet landscape for thousands of years before those widely believed to have built the pyramids settled the area. It is probable that the Sphinx, and possibly the pyramids, were built before they settled there. If I was looking for a place to settle while walking across the continent, and I found pyramids and a sphinx sitting there in the sand, I'd conclude that the area had some sort of significance and sit my ass down right there and build a civilization.

That's pretty much my take on it as well. It's so interesting.

I sure as hell wouldn't call it a waste

thank you mr self destruct, i wasn't aware of that:)

There is some truth there.

Some modern scientists date the Sphynx to over 10000 years old. Long before the Egyptian civilization.

But some more incriminating evidence of the egyptians is the head of the sphynx. Many believe it to be modeled after the head of an egyptian god (cant remember which one). But have you ever noticed how small it is? The sphynx is thought to have originally been a complete lion. But when discovered by the egyptians, it was merely a head sticking out of the sand. The ground was that high then. Theories have led to the idea the the egyptians merely recarved the head at the request of their leader. It might make sense. :confused:

Also, in the scientific community, there is a LOT of weight being given to the water erosion. That, in itself, is enough for me to doubt that the egyptians built it.

I have also heard theories about the tunnels. It has not been completely dis-allowed by the egyptians that they search for them. In fact, I think they were even considering further investigation into it. But ground penetrating radar ain't perfect. We use it at work to find underground utilities and pipes. Sometimes changes in density can come back as a pipe, or tunnels in this case.

Oh, and carbon dating doesnt work on rocks or stone. They have been here for millions of years. :D

I find it hard to believe that something which we assume was built by some living creature, to entomb some living creature, does not contain anything of biological origin. So, assuming that there is something of biological origin there that is less than about 50,000 years old, I happen to think that carbon-14 dating would work quite well. ;)

if you can carbon-date a pot, you can carbon-date a sphynx or two

Apparently you have no idea how carbon dating works. There is lot of info on the net about it, but to save you some time it requires organic material (as Herk hinted to). The Sphynx was carved from stone that was existing already. Even if it could be dated, you would only be getting how old the stone itself was - nothing about when or how it was made into the Sphynx.





Yes. And they clearly prove how old those entombed living creatures are. In fact, that is how we know when the Egyptians thrived. But that tells little about the structures. I am not saying that the Egyptians werent there. Nor am I saying they weren't built as Tombs for their Gods and Kings. But there is no way to tell who built them - and mostly no way to tell even WHEN they were built.


:D Just trying to ad fuel to this conspiracy theory fire.!! :thumbsup:

I saw a documentary on that on The Learning Channel (before they went to all home repair shows :rolleyes: ) or Discovery Channel or History Channel. It was pretty fascinating, giving their view of the origin of the Sphinx. I think it was a theory by Graham Hancock, the guy who wrote the book about the Ark of the Covenant being in Ethiopia. Basically the theory was that the head was an outcropping of rock that was carved into a lion's head, then the rest of the stone uncovered and carved into the lion shape. Torrential downpours made the lion unrecognizable, and a pharoah carved the lion into his likeness. They explain that is why the head is so much smaller than the body. Interesting theory.

Okay, you raise a good point of uncertainty here.

I can deal with that.

i was just looking at some pics a prof has taken at my school and geez those things are huge.....this is leading me to think that some kind of being...i dunno maybe an alien that built them or helped

Does anyone know what those dog like humans mean in those times? You see drawing of them on Egyptian hieroglyphics were they actually living things??

but someone brought up a good point what if they were there before humans settled there

geez this is kind of like the mistery of easter island and how the statues made or how was stonehedge made and who did it

I think you are referring to the work of Robert Schoch, a BU geologist who claims that the Sphinx is much older than previously believed, based on what he sees as rainwater damage to the surface (homepage at http://robertschoch.homestead.com/main.html) There has been a good deal of controversy surrounding his claims (see, e.g., http://www.geocities.com/debunkinglc/sphinx.html, and I don't pretend to know which is right, but suffice to say that the truth is still to be determined.

thanks for the links

What about the amazing fact of the aligning of the constellations at certain times thru the airholes or viewing slots built from the central chambers.
Was the Egyptians understanding of the movement of the earth's rotation that great and we lost alot of our understanding of science and the like during the dark ages?

There not much of a mystery to Easter island,on the island there are half made statues,and ones being built(out of the volcano on the island's ash),the bigger myserty is how the civilization there killed or was killed off into a primitive tribal society.

Oh and,yeah,Pyramids interesting.Stupid Egyptians wont let us dig under their Sphinx,even though we've stolen there obelisks..grr

then what about stonehedge

The pyramids where at one point completely smooth but from local people steeling the out side "layer" it now has the steep look. The only way to know the truth about how and when they where built is to either build a time machine or some one has to find some Real avidence.

Yes. Thats exactly what happened when Rome fell. All of that knowledge was long forgotten when the darkages came. So I think its very plausible that they had that knowledge and that it was just lost, as someone said earlier, in the fire at the library in Alexandria for example.

I think the most realistic theory of the whole sphinx erosion thing is this one:

The head is much older than the base, and a long long time ago some ancient civilization carved a protruding chunk of rock poking out of the ground into a head. Later, the Egyptians re-carved it into their own sculpture and uncovered more of the stone and carved/built up the lion body underneath it. That explains why there are some parts, like the head, that have different weathering (including possible water related weathering) than other parts that aren't as old.

I saw a good clip on some other program about this theory once that had artist's renderings of the original head poking up when it was wetlands, then later the Egyptian's re-carving it and adding the body, then it being recovered by the sand (like it was found before they uncovered the body and started restoring it).

A lot of the outer casing from the pyramids makes up the older streets and buildings of Cairo. It was cheaper to go out and strip it off than to freshly qarry it, atleast until they became huge tourist attractions :)

On a related issue, has anyone ever read about the supposed properties of pyramids? That milk won't sour inside one, etc. Here in BC, one of our winemakers has built a scale model of one in which he ages his wines. His white wines are amazing, but his reds aren't... so the jury is still out as to the beneficial effect.

I am more worried about the profecy that is written inside that pyramid that supposedly says that humanity will end pretty soon... :hmm:

Do you mean the Mayan calender? 2012. Still plenty of time. :)

Here is what I think. The pyramids were made by the Eqyptians on their own. Maybe they had a method of mathematics that helped them in this. Most likely this is the case that a Pharoh or someone really wanted a pyramid to be made and all the mathamaticians had the duty of figureing out equations to make these tombs. If a whack of them spent all their lives working out these equations it makes sence that they got good at it and they made great structures.

The Sphinx is older than the Pyramids. It was once a lion. The Eqyptians changed the face on it for some reason or another. There is nothing special about this other than it is big and huge. It is just like the Easter Island heads that the Rapaniui (sp?) made. Like a god or something maybe.

Also I would like to let you all know that the area where the Pyramids are was not always desert. The Nile river used to be considerably wider than it is today. Also the sand was once fertile soil where people could easily farm. This land would be spread about 100KM from the banks of the Nile (which was about 10X wider then) to the area where the Pyramids were. So its not like this area was desert and nothing was going on around there other than buildig the pyramids.

Oh I forgot to add that if you have been to Egypt, I have not, but if you have been there you will see that in the area surrounding the Great Pyramid you will see mounds all over the place where smaller 'test' versions were made. This was because they wanted to perfect the procedure of making a pyramid before they went all out and made the big ones. That is how they were able to make it so large and last so long.

Practice makes perfect.