Did Courtney Love kill Kurt Cobain?
 

I was reading a book recently and I read a long passage about the possibility that Kurt Cobain's 'suicide' was actually a murder, possibly by Courtney Love. Things that were cited include:

-The last lines of his 'suicide note' were in a somewhat different handwriting, and all text before those lines are content that do not necessarily seem like that of a suicide note.

-At the time of the incident, Cobain had over three times the lethal dose of heroin in his blood, far too much to properly operate a gun.

-Courtney Love told an electrician (who found the body) SPECIFICALLY to check in the room where Cobain's body was found.

-According to phone call logs, there is evidence that Cobain may not have been the only person in the house at the time

Anyone else have an opinion on this? I myself think it's pretty valid. I certainly wouldn't put something like that past her.

Discuss.

His(or someone elses) finger prints were wiped clean off the drug kit he had with him when he died.

His suicide note wasn't all in his handwriting, but the part that wasn't in his writing wasn't courtneys either.

He had mentioned that he feared for his life before he died.

I wouldn't put it passed that bitch courtney. I'll see if I can find the website that has all the stuff on it.

Edit: Here's a nice link http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Kurt_Cobain.html


I have a theory why Courtney DIDN'T kill him. He made her, Ever hear a good Hole song recorded after he died? She needed him too much. I dunno, it sounds like good arguement for people who think she didn't have something to do with it.

My friend plays in a band, and back about the time of Cobains death, my friends band was on the same label as a band called The Mentors. The lead singer of The mentors, El Duce was a really funny drunk guy. Apperently he stated that he was approached by Courtney to do the deed on Kurt. He was even interviewed and told his side of the story. Well, right after his interview went on TV, he (El Duce) was found dead, run over by a train, but was seen with another fellow (apperently the person who did the deed on Kurt) drinking and walking on the RR tracks, where El Duce was found.

I have seen the interview and El Duce comes out and says that he was asked to do the deed on Kurt, then days later he dies also?

There is some kind of consipiracy on the case, and I don't think Kurt killed himself, I never have.

Wasn't there a movie a while back that almost explicitly fingered Courtney as the murderer of Kurt? Anyway, I've heard this theory and enough good evidence to support it that I'm almost sure she did it.

do a search for Kurt and Courtney. Plummie and I discussed this a bit back. she said the tape was banned in the US due to Courtney's whining, yet I watched it about four years ago.

what I remember:

the stool 'blocking the door' was about a foot and a half tall. the doorknob was about three feets up. it would be impossible to block the door with the stool

the gun and bullet shells had no finger prints.

if i am not mistaken the angle would be impossible to try.

a drunken weirdo swear she tried to hire him. a bit hard to take seriously: BUT look how shitty the police did their job.

there was also some weird dialogue changed between Kurt and his 'best friend' (who the song Come As You Are was somewhat based on) and it felt Courtney talked to him......

Kurt had told someone he finally would divorce Courtney

i forget what else. check it out if possible.

the cops saw another Janis or Jimmy incident and shut the case ASAP.

sad

fuckin courtney sucks.

wow, i was reading this thread and lake of fire started playing on my playlist..

I seem to remember hearing about Kurt attempting suicide a week before succeeding, and the note does seem like the things he would say (based on what interviews I've seen of his).

The things you guys bring up are pretty interesting, but I'm not sure as to who would ever have the motivation for it.

My sincerest apologies, WhoaitsZ.
I don't take things here very seriously,
and maybe I should.

nothing quite as annoying as trying to have a serious discussion about something and then someone just posts shit to disrupt the flow.

escaping rude people is impossible, i fear.

Alright, sorry. Sleeplessness gets to me sometimes. Sleeplessness and being freaked out. So let me post something serious.

Yes, I don't think Kurt killed himself. When he met Love and started really liking her, he was also trying to quit drugs. But Love wanted to to drugs, wanted to do them with him. You gotta admit, Kobain was in a quagmire. So things went on, him trying to quit, and her wanting to do drugs, continued into marrige.
Love really wasn't riding his success, though. She had Hole before Nirvana went big. Everyone thought she was riding his success, slowy sucking the life from him.

It probably is a conspiracy. And the only person who know's the truth, is Love.

And the male 'nanny' who had been around the house so frequently not long before the incident. I don't remember a lot about him (specifically) from what I read but he was a major part of the entire thing.

Why would someone load more than one shell into a shotgun to kill himself? Maybe two in case the first didn't do it, but an extra three?

Cobain was an experienced drug user. He would know exactly how much heroin he could take. If he shot that much into himself, he would have known that the gun wouldn't be necessary. He wouldn't accidentally OD by that much after years of drug use.

LOL, I wouldn t describr El Duce a funny drunk guy.
He was one sick disturbed mean pediphoile mother fucker.
And the Mentors were pretty bad ass.

But It is always possible that she arranged his death, I mean even her own dad wouldn t put it past her.

But then there is always one theory that is always discredited but possible who true,
because who the fuck really could know.
Kurt Cobain said he didn t want to be famous anymore and well, It is always possible that instead of killing himself he just stepped away from the game.
I mean instead of us wondering if he killed himself or faked it, everyone is wondering if he killed himself or was killed.

I wouldn t be surprised if every five years or so a new song or 2 surfaces. :)

But hell it could have been worse it could have been one of us who knocked them selves off or got murdered.

Its an intresting theory, but it COULD all be unrelated things which dont add up. who says about the whole no fingerprints thing, its common knloledge, but was it on police reports and stuff.

are you totaly sure its not just some story which wont die?

I found this link about a conspiracy about Kurt moving to Peurto Rico or something. can be found here http://www.geocities.com/nrkalien/Chapter2/kurt.html. And who knows about a few songs showing up every now and then. You Know You're Right sounds like it was kinda rushed because you can hear people dropping stuff in the background. It would be bitchin if he was alive.

i dont think he is still alive, his whole dream and life was about making music and being famous, he wouldnt just give that all up.

Interesting... this definitly has merit, too many fishy happenings.

I remember an interview with Courtneys father where he said he wouldn't put it past her to do something like that (murder). Maybe I'm naive, but does anyone else think the police would have looked into the matter more if they suspected foul play? Isn't it every detectives dream to bust a celebrity?

i dont know much about the evidence with this murder theory but from what i've heard, it seems very possible.

well unless you have had that much heroin and then tried to shoot yourself we dont really know if it impossible now do we:crazy:

ive seen many shows about this, also read the books... i thin there has to be some validity to it

this certainly isn't hard evidence, but scott weiland apparently subscribed to his own courtney love theory:

(lyrics from "too cool queenie" from Shangri-La Dee Da)

"There was this girl
Who lived not too long ago
As a matter of fact I think
She lives still
She knew she could do no wrong
Just singin' those songs
That we all knew

She would always crash the party
It was no surprise
It was for her

Too Cool Queenie

There was this boy
He played in a rock-n-roll band
And he wasn't half-bad,
At saving the world
She said he could do no right
So he took his life
His story is true

It's ok cause what goes around, comes around
It's all right cause what goes around, comes around

And now this girl,
Yeah she got real famous
And she made lots of money and
Some of his too
But still she thinks she can do no wrong
Just playing those songs
She's all too cool"

My son is an addict, so I've read a lot on the subject. One thing I've read many times is that most don't kill them selves - it is an accident from doing too much drugs and combining with depression meds or something like that. I don't know for sure. However, I do kind of feel he wasn't alone in his death.

I think I can be of some assistance on this issue......I am positive that Courtney Love had nothing to do with Cobain's suicide! My single piece of evidence is as follows:

SHE IS WAY TO STUPID TO PULL OFF ANYTHING LIKE THAT!

Touche my friend!!

well, if you have anywhere near that much heroin, then you'd be dead.

Boy, this post really fizzled out! I was hoping to hear some thoughts on my post about accidental suicide.

An accidental suicide along to lines of "I wonder if you can see the shotgun pellets as they fly towards you up the barrel?"

yes, she did it, and she got away with it too! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yes, but only because the said celebrity slips you a fat backhander to cover it up.

I heard Dave Grohl had something to do with it. Supposedly he was in with Love and was mysteriously "out of the country" when it happened.

for instance, the aforementioned 'male nanny.'

Not a question

I think Love was definately behind the whole thing... I've thought so since the day it happened.

very very possible...someday we might know the truth...

there is a private investigator out there that did some work on this case and wrote a book on why he believes love did it. I have read the book and his evidence is logical, however i have never seen it, so i cant make the claim.

i saw a movie about it, i think she did it, and the media likes her so nothing happened to her

but kurt did attempt suicide in rome, i think he tried to overdose with heroine

I probably dont know all the evidence so I can't purpose my own theory (though I do think Love did it) but I think that the fact that Kurt died in such a mysterious way just adds to the music and mystic of Nirvana

I didn't get into nirvana till about tenth grade (2000) When I did, I got real into them. I found every album they ever released and then like 40 tracks from club recordings. Some aren't even on any albums. Although I really like nirvana, part of me belives that he did kill himself. Mabye someone shot him cause they didnt want people to think he was some druggy who od'ed? If you really listened to his music, you would know that he isnt very happy. He also hints suicide a lot. If someone has webspace I can upload the specific song I'm talking about.
Fuck courtney though

I used to believe that it was suicide until i read some of the evidence on the website cybermike posted, that really changed how i looked at the whole thing. I think Courtney arranged it but i dont think she pulled the trigger. Something we will never know.

We are nearing the tenth anniversary of Kurt Cobain's death. I didn't read anything pertaining to his death back then and I'm not exactly sure why. I like the music and was never a huge fan. I had just viewed that link Cybermike had by accident last week by a link given in Tilted Paranoia. I was only looking for ghost stories and came across something on Cobain. I decided to read.

This is all my opinion:: Courtney Love is not one of my favorite celebrities and any person that knows me will vouche for my feelings on her. If she hadn't known Kurt, she'd be a nobody. She's a heroin addict, disturbed and is an attention whore. She's displayed this several times on live television.

Setting my disgusted feelings I have for Courtney aside, I kept an open mind reading what was held in the link. So much evidence proved that points to this being a murder instead of a suicide. Investigations are still being held today and I have no shadows of doubt that Courtney in some way had something to do with the murder of Kurt. I do not believe he committed suicide and I have yet to see evidence proving that theory.

Look at Courtney's current status:: She was brought up on drug charges and somehow skates off free by her trials being constantly postponed. She just assaulted a 24-year old male in NYC last night after her appearance on Letterman. Two words :: attention whore.

Where is the justice system? Why does this skank continue to get away with charges that the rest of us would have spent time in jail for? Who is she sucking/paying off?

I truly wish for peace and quiet for Kurt's fans as they celebrate him and his music on the anniversary of his death without interruption from Courtney.

Whoa, I never knew there was so much controversy about Kurt Cobain's death. I dont know if I think Love was involved but I think its a load of crap how much effort the police put into dispelling any doubts about the suicide. What I would really like to know is if the angle Kurt shot himself at was possible with a shotgun, if so I think it was suicide or he was about to die anyway from OD'ing becaue you dont just let someone put a gun near you and fire it at such an angle.

I'm watching Dateline (I think that is the show) and they are doing a story on this topic. I guess this theory has hit the mainstream now.

I, from the day he died thought she had some thing to do with it.
But some of his songs have death and gun messages in them.
I was so pissed when he died I blamed it on her cause she's trashy and weird.
I Miss him and love him. The suicide mote did not sound like a suicide note to me really.

Hole
 

Whilst listening to the Hole single "doll-parts" it was brought to my attention by my well-informed friend Edward that it may hold a clue to Countney's motives for murdering Kurt Cobain. It is well known that Kurt was a great fan of cake, and shortly before his untimely death he was thought to have just recieved a large lemon-meringue though his regular cake-dealer.

Courtney was known to also appreciate cake, some even speculate that this is what brought the couple together. The "Doll-Parts" lyrics include the phrase "I want to be the girl with the most cake" as well as "some day you will ache like I ache". I suggest that Courtney Love brutally murdered Kurt to get a larger portion of the lemon-meringue.

This seems to me a great shame that two so talented figures let a mere confectionery product come between them so, but it probably didn't harm sales of Nirvana's records, or indeed Lemon-Meringue, now thought of as the food-stuff of the grunge stars.

I hope this discovery may ease the minds of many Cobain fans, I for one needed some certainty.

Jacque Passive & Edward H.

So, lately ive been really into reading about Kurt Cobain and his "suicide" and nirvana and all that good stuff. Theres this book, called Love & Death about Kurt Cobains death. Its pretty biased, and the authors seem convinced that Courtney arranged to have Kurt killed, but there's some pretty good evidence in there, along with some of the stuff that you guys mentioned, like El Duce, and Kurts herion levels. I prefer to read 2 biased books than one completely unbiased one, because that way i get more info... Right now, im reading heavier than heaven, and i want to read come as you are ( which i guess was written when he was still alive so that should be cool. There you go - thats just something to check out if youre interested. Personally, i think he was murdered, but its pretty fishy :hmm: also, i like these smileys :D

well... have fun researching!

xoxo :icare:

I've just never seen any evidence one way or the other.

Can someone point us at some?

http://www.justiceforkurt.com/

Your all-in-one Kurt Cobain conspiracy stop

I've been to that site and It's interesting how many facts point towards murder rather than suicide. My younger brother is really into that site and Kurt.. he's a big fan, so he told me to take a look and form my opinion from those facts.

From what I've read I'd say yes he was murdered and yes I think Courtney had something to do with it.
She's such a psycho druggy attention whore, I really wouldn't put it past her.

I think it comes down to this really. Everyone thinks that Courtney had something to do with it because it's so easy to blame her for it. It's Yoko Ono syndrome all over again. Yoko didn't break up the Beatles, yet people to this very day blame her for it. I can't say that she didn't have anything at all to do with it but I'm just saying that it's easy to fall into that sort of thinking because of some unsual behavior from someone who is autistic.

If you really want to try and figure out who was involved then you need to look at the fact that Kurt's credit card was being used days after he was already dead. Somewhere there is records of what was purchased and where it was purchased on the days in question. That would be the best place to start in any investigation.

Courtney has a pretty clear alibi through the phone records and the rehab clinic over 1000 miles away in California. So you'd be talking about an assassination scenario. I guess I don't understand what motive anyone would have in killing Kurt. It's made Courtney one of the most despised humans on the planet. I could see something petty over money or drugs, but there is no proof of anything being stolen.

Kurt deciding to shoot himself seems so much more likely than any other possibility I can think of.

Does anyone really think that idiot lush could get away with a high profile murder?

She's a whore and deserves to be laying in the coffin right next to him

Did anyone ever see the Documentry "Kurt and Courtney." All the eviedence points to Love on the death of Kurt. That Bitch.

ye i agree. there is way to much evidence that points to foul play.

I personally don't believe Kurt committed suicide being a massive Nirvana/Kurt fan and having read a lot of stuff surrounding this subject.

Something dodgy definitely happened, there's too much shit pointing towards it leaving unanswered questions.

Courtney is a bitch either way, who is probably still jealous to this day that her late husband will always be and always has been better than her. He had more skill in his little toe than she's got in her whole body.

I was thinking today about a few things that don't make much sense to me. Maybe someone who knows a bit more can clear it up?

Kurt was an addict for years. Overdoses can be accidental, but I find it hard to believe that someone like him could accidentally overdose with the amount of heroin needed to give him three times a lethal dose and on some sites they say it was a record amount. Does the potency really fluctuate that much, especially since someone like Kurt would most likely have a regular supplier and not just find it from some guy on a street corner.

If he injected that much himself, and knew that it was a massive amount, it sounds like he was trying to kill himself anyway. If it was murder, did he inject that massive amount of heroin himself, and was then surprised at someone bursting in the room with a shotgun? Perhaps someone injected it into him against his will, but if that was the case there would be signs of a struggle, right? And the murderer would have to leave the room somehow, and if the windows were locked then the murderer probably didn't climb out the window. And if there was a stool/wooden chair, propped up against the door then the murderer couldn't have left through the doorway.

I suppose they could tell whether the heroin was injected before or after death, whether it had travelled much through the blood, etc. If it was murder then why would they inject him, especially with such a dose?

As much as I dislike Courtney Love and think the music and entertainment industries would be better off without her, I think he most likely did kill himself. The fact that they say he'd be dead before he even finished injecting that amount of heroin still puzzles me though.

If only it were a murder suicide, assuming she killed him,...before the success of Nirvana. Then the world wouldn't be witness to the utter crap that both Nirvana and Hole put out.

Aside from the Tragically Hip. Worst. Bands. Ever.

But then what would all the so-called musicologists do? Maybe get a real fucking job.

No doubt Courtney Love did it.
 

I have no doubt what so ever that Courtney Love is involved in the death of Kurt Cobain.

She may not have pulled the trigger, but she most definalty got someone else to do it.

My reasoning:

1. Kurt wanted out of the marriage and she knew it.

2. The gun was brought for protection as he was in fear for his life.

3. The "suicide" not was supposidly just to his fans saying he was quitting the music biz, nothing about killing himself.

4. The part at the end of the suicide note was not written by Kurt Cobain.

5. He was injected with 3 times the lethal dose of heroin, which would render him incapacitated him.

6. If he injected himself with that amount he was almost certain to die, why shoot himself.

7. The stool that wedged the door shut was not big enough to do so and was actually infront of the patio doors.

8. The first person that Courtney asked to do the deed told people and mysteriousy wound up on the rr tracks.

The police wanted to cover this up as they knew it would lead to a long investigation and a lot of trouble.