What is trust? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

floonine · 08-01-2003, 07:11 AM

Y'know, it scares me more than anything to think of what people take for granted. I'm not going to get on a high horse or start working the airpump to my ego by saying I know everything or what-have-you...

but I am just worried that people don't realize, especially in the states (where I am), how dangerous it is for us to turn off our brains and allow our government complete control over so much of our lives, just because we are worried about attacks from the outside.... WHAT ABOUT ATTACKS FROM THE INSIDE?

Realize that while we are telling the world that Saddam doesn't deserve to have / stockpile nuclear weapons or any other WMDs, we have tons and it is OK because we are the global peace keepers. Well one day, if we don't keep tabs on it, the weapons that our government owns will turn around, and point right at its citizens, and we will be at war with a tyrannical dictatorship on our own soil.

THE END

johnnymysto · 08-01-2003, 07:49 AM

MORE VOTES! MORE VOTES!!!

isandro · 08-01-2003, 07:53 AM

I think it was B.Franklin who said, 'They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.'

As long as the US doesn't change it's attitude towards the rest of the world and the middle east in particular, it will be threatened. Simply because it's attitude is threatening to 'them'.

But more importantly, you have to wonder to what extent the war and the terrorist threats are being used as an opportunity to undermine civil rights, to create a totalitarian state...

seftarbell · 08-01-2003, 04:38 PM

trusting the government to tell you what you need to know is like trusting the neighborhood thug with your lunch money.

tardka · 08-01-2003, 05:07 PM

Not much I can do about it except vote and express opinion. Beyond that I have no influence so I just go with the flow as long as my life continues on the same path.

liquid_dreams · 08-01-2003, 09:15 PM

i think that going to take my childern in a war that there is no point in but becaus we got nukes there going blow ever thing other then something that says made in america those things well be spared

Jasmar · 08-02-2003, 01:50 PM

somethings need to be kept secret to avoid mass hysteria and the goverment knows that but its also pretty obvious that they take advantage of this to control the public. Like the goverment telling us that terrorist are going to try to hijack more planes, its pretty obvious from the news that anyone trying to do anything illigal gets jumped by everyone on the plane

sexymama · 08-02-2003, 01:55 PM

Knowledge is power!

Katyblu · 08-02-2003, 03:19 PM

The government keping stuff about the war and Iraq from us is only the tip of the iceberg. I'm more worried about other things they haven't told us about... like why the gov't had Kennedy and King killed... there are many things that the gov't keeps fom us and I agree that there should be some things left out so as not to cause mass hysteria but come on, there are things they don't tell us that we need to know....

Pretty soon they will be able to regualte our movements through micro chips surgically placed in our skin...

MacGnG · 08-02-2003, 07:44 PM

I don't believe I am being told the whole story
because...
some info needs to be hidden to protect me

(i picked neutral)

TerresqueÜ · 08-02-2003, 10:45 PM

There is stuff that we DESERVE to know!!

The government is run directly off of us so tell us the goddamn story man!

BentNotTwisted · 08-04-2003, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexymama
Knowledge is power!

True, but they have the power and they don't want to share it.

wwcd101 · 08-05-2003, 11:41 AM

The less we give it to do, the better off we will be.

Thanks for listening.

parlorforsvin · 08-05-2003, 01:08 PM

"'They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.'"

That's really funny when you look at the PATRIOT / 1984 act. 'ol ben would spin in his grave.

I think it's really scary that only ~20% of the american population votes.

Mr Scorcex · 08-05-2003, 01:13 PM

I don't trust em. Power corrupts and so forth.

auswegian · 08-07-2003, 08:27 AM

Not an American, but I don't trust the US Goverment and I certainly don't trust my own (Australian). Considering the stuff that they get away with right before everyone's eyes ("Children Overboard" scandal, frex), I shudder to think what they do behind closed doors.

Sure, there are things that probably shouldn't be public knowledge. But I think such is outweighed by things that we should know, but certain forces make sure we don't.

View Poll Results: Should the United States government be trusted?
Yes, I believe in the U.S. government	2	5.26%
No, I don't believe I am being told the whole story	27	71.05%
Neutral, some info needs to be hidden to protect me	9	23.68%
I don't care / It doesn't concern me	0	0%
Voters: 38. You may not vote on this poll

08-01-2003, 07:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
floonine Insane Location: Silicon Valley, Utah	What is trust? Y'know, it scares me more than anything to think of what people take for granted. I'm not going to get on a high horse or start working the airpump to my ego by saying I know everything or what-have-you... but I am just worried that people don't realize, especially in the states (where I am), how dangerous it is for us to turn off our brains and allow our government complete control over so much of our lives, just because we are worried about attacks from the outside.... WHAT ABOUT ATTACKS FROM THE INSIDE? Realize that while we are telling the world that Saddam doesn't deserve to have / stockpile nuclear weapons or any other WMDs, we have tons and it is OK because we are the global peace keepers. Well one day, if we don't keep tabs on it, the weapons that our government owns will turn around, and point right at its citizens, and we will be at war with a tyrannical dictatorship on our own soil. THE END __________________ Political arguments do not exist, after all, for people to believe in them, rather they serve as a common, agreed-upon excuse. Foolish people who take them in earnest sooner or later discover inconsistencies in them, begin to protest and finish finally and infamously as heretics.

08-01-2003, 07:49 AM	#2 (permalink)
johnnymysto Overreactor Location: South Ca'lina	MORE VOTES! MORE VOTES!!! __________________ "I'm disinclined to acquiesce to your request." - Capt. Barbossa

08-01-2003, 07:53 AM	#3 (permalink)
isandro Crazy Location: Groningen, Netherlands	I think it was B.Franklin who said, 'They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.' As long as the US doesn't change it's attitude towards the rest of the world and the middle east in particular, it will be threatened. Simply because it's attitude is threatening to 'them'. But more importantly, you have to wonder to what extent the war and the terrorist threats are being used as an opportunity to undermine civil rights, to create a totalitarian state... __________________ -Life, liberty and the pursuit of hamburgers.

08-01-2003, 04:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
seftarbell Upright Location: Des Moines, IA	trusting the government to tell you what you need to know is like trusting the neighborhood thug with your lunch money. __________________ -- "A mind all logic is like a knife all blade. It makes the hand bleed that uses it." -- Sir Rabindranath Tagore

08-01-2003, 05:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
tardka Tilted	Not much I can do about it except vote and express opinion. Beyond that I have no influence so I just go with the flow as long as my life continues on the same path.

08-01-2003, 09:15 PM	#6 (permalink)
liquid_dreams Banned Location: ketchikan	i think that going to take my childern in a war that there is no point in but becaus we got nukes there going blow ever thing other then something that says made in america those things well be spared

08-02-2003, 01:50 PM	#7 (permalink)
Jasmar Crazy	somethings need to be kept secret to avoid mass hysteria and the goverment knows that but its also pretty obvious that they take advantage of this to control the public. Like the goverment telling us that terrorist are going to try to hijack more planes, its pretty obvious from the news that anyone trying to do anything illigal gets jumped by everyone on the plane

08-02-2003, 01:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
sexymama My own person -- his by choice Location: Lebell's arms	Knowledge is power! __________________ If you can go deeply into lovemaking, the ego disappears. That is the beauty of lovemaking, that it is another source of a glimpse of god It's not about being perfect; it's about developing some skill at managing imperfection.

08-02-2003, 03:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
Katyblu Crazy Location: Here and there and everywhere	The government keping stuff about the war and Iraq from us is only the tip of the iceberg. I'm more worried about other things they haven't told us about... like why the gov't had Kennedy and King killed... there are many things that the gov't keeps fom us and I agree that there should be some things left out so as not to cause mass hysteria but come on, there are things they don't tell us that we need to know.... Pretty soon they will be able to regualte our movements through micro chips surgically placed in our skin...

08-02-2003, 07:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
MacGnG Know Where!	I don't believe I am being told the whole story because... some info needs to be hidden to protect me (i picked neutral)

08-02-2003, 10:45 PM	#11 (permalink)
TerresqueÜ Hiding Out	There is stuff that we DESERVE to know!! The government is run directly off of us so tell us the goddamn story man! __________________ Say yes to the 'Tilted Roleplaying' Forum http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1932&highlight=petition

08-05-2003, 11:41 AM	#13 (permalink)
wwcd101 Insane	The less we give it to do, the better off we will be. Thanks for listening.

08-05-2003, 01:08 PM	#14 (permalink)
parlorforsvin Upright	"'They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.'" That's really funny when you look at the PATRIOT / 1984 act. 'ol ben would spin in his grave. I think it's really scary that only ~20% of the american population votes.

08-05-2003, 01:13 PM	#15 (permalink)
Mr Scorcex Insane Location: Colorado	I don't trust em. Power corrupts and so forth.

08-07-2003, 08:27 AM	#16 (permalink)
auswegian Crazy Location: Perth, Australia	Not an American, but I don't trust the US Goverment and I certainly don't trust my own (Australian). Considering the stuff that they get away with right before everyone's eyes ("Children Overboard" scandal, frex), I shudder to think what they do behind closed doors. Sure, there are things that probably shouldn't be public knowledge. But I think such is outweighed by things that we should know, but certain forces make sure we don't. __________________ "Look, I'm pretty relaxed for a guy who just lost money on a rave. And who's currently speeding down the highway drunk off my tits. And I'm being chased by someone in a blue Corolla. Woohoo! I just ran a red light!"