Zeitgeist..

[blktour]

So has anyone seen this film yet? it opens your eyes, to think and to me that is all it does.

but i thought i would throw it here for discussion.

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/statement.htm

and

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

watch this.

and discuss. i never saw it but i will tonight..

[Halx]

Pretty much the only thing that can scare me

[Willravel]

I've seen it. It's pretty damn good.

[Sun Tzu]

Wow. One of the best links Ive encounterd. Thanks for sharing. Powerful stuff there.

[IT2002]

Has anyone fact-checked it?

[Willravel]

Originally Posted by IT2002

Has anyone fact-checked it?

Most of it. Especially the religious stuff.

[Sun Tzu]

Originally Posted by IT2002

Has anyone fact-checked it?

Please excuse gram msp errors, normally I put posts through word and check them, but its late so on so on. . .

Not all of it. For myself the Federal Reserve, Constitution, and a subject that wasnt mentioned in this material nor will I bring up, are areas I have focused the most time on.

In my percpetion is it true, yes. Its fucked. The more I research the angrier I get. 1992 was the last year the 1040ez form instructions had the following statement on it "Annually thousands of Americans voluntarily pay their income taxes." I had to sell out and let alot of it go, and just be cattle. Thats a terrible bleak compromise isnt it. To give in to these parasites of humanity in order to live as peaceful of an existence as possible. To tune out what is happening, to develop a habitual belief that ignores that we are (people of Earth) all connected. If I dont do this I really feel that after so much time, day after day letting the truth consume me it would drive me to do something that would get me or those I care about killed.

So I conform, and hope the greedy bastards dont take this to Iran, and other injustices that are happening in that region are righted.

Remember when you get a job- you sign a legal document with the IRS stating you are going to pay them. So dont sign the document- right then you dont get the job.

A friend of mine owned a video store in San Diego years ago. He didnt charge his customers taxes on the movies or pay himself. This was primary because he was not able to find a specific law that stated this was mandated. I began to assit him to find the law, alot of hours going through state regualtions and law books at the library. You would think something such as this would be as easy to find as the Bill of Rights. I called the California State Board of Equalization the enitity that was harrassing him by mail. I asked agent after agent to just point me in the right direction to find the law that states a person had to sign up with them to run a business. I just couldnt believe that all I got was double talk and guidance to periodicals that were not law.

What was the result? The same as it was, is, and unless something beyond all of us steps in, always will be- he lost. While I was sitting in the store talking with him one night, 5 California State Board of Equalization agents and 1 US Marshall came in told me to get out. They handcuffed him and took him away. Take him to jail? No. They took him to the California State Board of Equilization office and forced him to sign up through threat tactics. He eventually lost his store. So the moral of the story. . .

The process is exactly as they put it in the other link. They even promote they maybe you shouldnt believe any of it, but research it. In that research pay attention to the sources your using. In my opinion, especailly on the internet- in these times of instant education; research of who put that site together, research of their sources, and their sources' sources. This should be as automatic as the sifting through the material of what brought you there in the first place.

[Ramiro]

great stuff! free bump, this should be a sticky, if not for just general information to others.

oh hi all. =)

cant find this on Wikipedia either, so someone should put it there and make it be known. I wont since i am a very bad informer. lol

who wants to take the initiative??

[Datalife2]

Thats nuts. That is also the title of the new smashing pumpkins album.

[ASU2003]

That was interesting, and it's scary because it's probably true. Too bad congress, the FBI, media, or who ever will never be able to research these things and make the public aware of it.

[Crack]

I feel very small now.

And angry.

[Ustwo]

Originally Posted by willravel

Most of it. Especially the religious stuff.

http://thedevineevidence.com/jesus_similarities.html

[Willravel]

Excellent link, Ustwo. I suspected you'd like the first part of the film.

[ChiefingChef]

My friends are posting this on social networking sites so often. I definitely believe parts 2 and 3, but i have a feeling that maybe all the people/legends mentioned in part 1 are actually just one thing? maybe im proven wrong by carbon dating though

[Evil Milkman]

It's an interesting compililation.

[woOt?]

It blew me away. I feel cheated, angry and taken for a fool. I hunger for revenge but don't know what to do! Guns? Revolution? Watch more porn?

[Ustwo]

Originally Posted by woOt?

It blew me away. I feel cheated, angry and taken for a fool. I hunger for revenge but don't know what to do! Guns? Revolution? Watch more porn?

So would you really base a revolution off of a youtube video?

[blahblah454]

Originally Posted by Ustwo

So would you really base a revolution off of a youtube video?

If the revolution involves watching more porn, then you bet your ass I would!

[Willravel]

Originally Posted by Ustwo

So would you really base a revolution off of a youtube video?

Does it really matter what starts a revolution, so long as it's just?

[Baraka_Guru]

Are we talking about a basis or a catalyst?

[blktour]

Originally Posted by woOt?

It blew me away. I feel cheated, angry and taken for a fool. I hunger for revenge but don't know what to do! Guns? Revolution? Watch more porn?

i aggree if you feel that way about something then by all means, start something up.

as long as you believe in it. and feel that it's the right thing to do.

where to start ? hmmm..

[Ustwo]

Originally Posted by blahblah454

If the revolution involves watching more porn, then you bet your ass I would!

Now that I could get behind.

Originally Posted by willravel

Does it really matter what starts a revolution, so long as it's just?

Just, batshit insane propaganda, whatever.

[blktour]

Originally Posted by Ustwo

Just, batshit insane propaganda, whatever.

so you say........(ali g voice.)

[Willravel]

Originally Posted by Ustwo

Just, batshit insane propaganda, whatever.

*Yawn*, so I guess you believe that god exists now? Or are you going to ignore half the film? Did you even watch it?

[Stiltzkin]

TFP noticed this film and watched, and yet somehow the zeitgeist on TFP is to hate Ron Paul? I think that in itself blows me away just as much as the film itself.

Look at this article (state of the union): http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/state_of_union
And watch this video (David Rockefeller fears Ron Paul):

YouTube - Rockefeller scared of Ron Paul

YouTube - Rockefeller scared of Ron Paul

NOT ONE OF THE GREAT ISSUES?!?!?! GWB is proposing a plan to fix the economy! The Fed cut interests by 3/4 of a point! Who is Rockefeller kidding?! (btw, 150bil is *nothing* compared to the 555bil GWB pushed for a few months back to spend in Iraq... GWB is such a joke)
There are just way too many signs that show how real all of this is; how can the TFP still be ignoring it? I'm sorry but I'm feeling more and more desperate every day, and I don't know what to do.
Ron Paul is being shut out of the media completely now, even though he is still one of the top 5 candidates. I had to vent somewhere.
Oh yeah, and you can't fix rampant inflation with even more rampant inflation--all that does is delay the inevitable.

[Manuel Hong]

World Zeitgeist Day. Find a location and watch with friends. Or you can host a viewing (as my healing center is doing) and open it to the public.

MARCH 15th 2008

more info on the website: www.zietgeistmovie.com

People should be made aware of this stuff...I hope everyone will share it.

[blktour]

now that I have watched this movie back when i did, i have come to see everyday that what is shown in this movie, is what happens in everyday stuff. should I say, I see it on TV and how the TV tries to mess with your head just for their "agenda".

It is as if no one cares in this place.

I hate to see this everyday and hate to see that this movie is making more sense each day but it actually is.

sad really.

[Ustwo]

Originally Posted by blktour

It is as if no one cares in this place.

It is as if no one believes in this place.

There are a few of course, but don't confuse skepticism about propaganda on Youtube with caring.

[blktour]

Originally Posted by Ustwo

It is as if no one believes in this place.

There are a few of course, but don't confuse skepticism about propaganda on Youtube with caring.

I believe there are people out there. Very hard to find, but then again I am not really looking for them. I always tend to look at the negative things.

also I didn't only mean youtube, but IRL also. I see it with co-workers, and people in the malls. People driving.

maybe I am thinking too much into it I guess.

[opentocomments]

This movie from what i understand is mostly true and very very scarey. Its a throw back to the old quote

"When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out."

[Hain]

Originally Posted by opentocomments

This movie from what i understand is mostly true and very very scarey. Its a throw back to the old quote

"When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out."

That's crazy that I randomly click this thread, and read a poem I just recently wrote an essay about...

[Ustwo]

You people who believe this should be used as a study in the effectiveness of propaganda.

Its not only a tool of governments.

[filtherton]

I'm not gonna watch it because i don't want to end up on some list. I will, however, assume that it mentions the secret cabal of jewish businessmen who actually run things.

[Sun Tzu]

Originally Posted by Ustwo

You people who believe this should be used as a study in the effectiveness of propaganda.

Its not only a tool of governments.

I know you dont believe in remote viewing, so you are of the belief that there is no way to tell the future. However, Im sure you can take a creative guess.
I think I read that you state you were an atheist, so you dont believe a God is going to come clean up any mess that humanity creates for itself.

Having said all that in studying history, observing your preception of the present, and making as good of an educated guess as possible- do you think thing are going to turn out OK? Are we going to end up in a Star Trek society? A world where Mecca has been destroyed and our Republic form of government spread across the land? Ive also read you have children, so I would conclude you do care about the state of Earth in the future.

Suppose you are correct (which really wouldnt be bad thing) and our government is exactly what you promote as being, what do you think our world looks like in 20 years?

[Ace_O_Spades]

*SIGH* the movie is basically like every politician I've ever known

It makes an awful lot of statements it reports as fact, tries to pass off everyone who doesn't believe that fact as crazy or ignorant, then when you try to investigate the facts you find it leads to self serving evidence, non peer-reviewed journals, and other dubious sources and claims makers.

When I find myself agreeing with Ustwo over stuff like this it reinforces that your personal politics have nothing to do with your ability to think critically. The burden of proof rests with the claimant. To quote Carl Sagan, "Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." Quite frankly, Zeitgeist is found wanting. The vast majority is mere scare tactic, mixed with flashy montages and a dash of plagiarism.

People in this thread claim the movie is true, that the evidence backs it up. I ask you, did you do more research than simply going to the web site's Sources page? Just check out some of the books he cites as his sources for the first part alone. Then realize to yourself, anyone with any view can write a book about anything without any sources and get it published if they know the right people or have enough money. There's a reason this stuff isn't in Academia. Oh right, scientific and academic peer-reviewed journals must be in on the conspiracy. How silly of me.

/goes to put on his tinfoil hat to protect my brainwaves from the tremors caused by so much gullibility

[blahblah454]

Meh, believe it if you want to, or choose not to. But Ustwo why even bother going into a thread if all you have to do is trash talk?

True or not it is interesting.

[Ace_O_Spades]

Originally Posted by blahblah454

why even bother going into a thread if all you have to do is trash talk?

Pretty much because even though this is the paranoia forum, and crackpot shit that wouldn't fly on the rest of the forum is allowed, it doesn't mean that someone shouldn't swoop in and counterpoint.

Yes, it's interesting and entertaining... as a work of fiction. Once it starts reporting fact it steps into a whole new world that holds its claims to a higher standard.

[MuadDib]

Originally Posted by blahblah454

Meh, believe it if you want to, or choose not to. But Ustwo why even bother going into a thread if all you have to do is trash talk?

True or not it is interesting.

Because merely posting something doesn't automatically give it value. Seriously, people should be have some insight before watching this sort of thing because it was produced to be extremely persuasive and if you don't know that it's all built on insinuation, faulty logic, and lies it can result in ignorance, insufferability, and severe annoyance to people who actually think. I think we can all get behind Ustwo's fight against what I like to call, 'The Axis of Irritation'.

[Johnny Rotten]

Its production values are a little heavy-handed, and its claims often sensational... but much of Zeitgeist's material is corroborated elsewhere. The Hero of a Thousand Faces comprises much of its inspiration regarding Jesus, and that text is pretty well vetted, if dated by its reliance on Freudian analysis.

Then there's From Freedom to Fascism, a documentary you can find on Google, as well as Century of the Self and an interesting presentation on the drug war and 9/11 given by Michael Ruppert a few years back, at Portland State University.

I don't recommend watching any of those videos if you need a good night's sleep.

[Sun Tzu]

Originally Posted by MuadDib

"and if you don't know that it's all built on insinuation, faulty logic, and lies it can result in ignorance, insufferability, and severe annoyance to people who actually think"

When you say "it" are you refering to this movie specifically, or anything in general?