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stevo 07-12-2006 08:39 AM

Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes never had a baby
 
Doesn't it seem odd that we still haven't seen any kid named suri? Not one picture has been leaked. On top of that the birth certificate, that must be filed within 10 days of birth was supposedly filed in May, almost a month too late, but isn't dated until July 7.

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It's been three months since Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes' gave birth to Suri and she still hasn't been seen, even by their closest friends. A source tells Us Weekly Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes have yet to show her to fellow Scientologists John Travolta, Kelly Preston and Lisa Marie Presley. Even their good friends Will and Jada Pinkett Smith haven't met her, despite repeated calls to Cruise.

“Every time, it’s a different excuse: He’s busy or Kate’s not feeling well,” says a source. ‘[The Smiths] think it’s so weird.”
*Source www.thesuperficial.com
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TMZ has obtained a copy of Suri Cruise's birth certificate which wasn't filed with the Los Angeles County Clerk until May 8th even though Suri was born on April 18. They also point out some interesting notes about the certificate, like that the "Attendant or Certifier" wasn't in the room during the delivery and never saw the baby, although she was authorized to sign because the doctor wasn't available. Additionally, St. John's Hospital filed the certificate 20 days after the birth as opposed to their usual policy of doing it within 10 days because they needed a signature from the parents or their representative and nobody came in until May 4th. The person who eventually signed was labeled "friend" and the reason they finally came in was because Suri needed a passport and a birth certificate is a prerequisite for one.
*Source www.thesuperficial.com
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/229...ificate6om.jpg





Supporting the theory that suri doesn't exist is the fact that he did not father the children he had with nicole kidman. That and everyone knows he's gay. Just ask ustwo, or anyone in hollywood for that matter.

JustJess 07-12-2006 08:48 AM

Nevermind, I checked. Didn't know they were adopted... didn't care, I guess! :lol:

maleficent 07-12-2006 08:55 AM

i thought the two kids he had were adopted.. not his bilogically... On E last night, i was flipping channels and there ws a new rumor that Katie was pregnant again...

but that's being denied....

MySexyAssJ 07-12-2006 09:53 AM

the two kids he had with nicole kidman were definitely adopted.
hmm, maybe the papers are exaggerating and their close friends have seen the baby.. who knows?

Willravel 07-12-2006 10:00 AM

How is this paranoia? Tom's gay (AND INSANE), and Katie needs a career booster. No brainer.

cookmo 07-12-2006 10:04 AM

Perhaps they lost the baby due to some weird Scientology delivery technique, and are trying to cover it up.

MySexyAssJ 07-12-2006 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cookmo
Perhaps they lost the baby due to some weird Scientology delivery technique, and are trying to cover it up.

good point! i never even thought of that..

ratbastid 07-12-2006 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by willravel
... and Katie needs a career booster.

Yeah, how's that working out? :eek:

There's a great conspiracy theory to be built here. Scientology is rabidly anti-gay, and Tom's their biggest celebrity paritioner. So to clean up the rumors, they conned Katie into marrying him, conned him into doing the sofa dance with Oprah (no not that sofa dance--he'd prefer Dr. Phil, anyway), and in-Vitroed up a baby for them.

And then yeah, there's something wrong with the child or they lost it in delivery or something. But it would be anti-Scientology for there to be any (gasp) problems in their life, so the whole thing is being covered up...

It's like Michael Jackson's nose--it just keeps getting worse and worse, and every attempt to repair the thing only exacerbates the problem until eventually your baby is held onto your face with gauze and putty.

Ustwo 07-12-2006 11:24 AM

Hmmm I've heard none of this, but I don't read "People".

If there was an issue with the birth then we can be sure that in some months they will appear with a perfect baby girl with the right look, and genetically distinct from either parent.

I would doubt that the pregnancy was faked, too much can go wrong there.

The other possibility is that the nuttiness is at such a level they have become germ freaks and don't want anyone to see her lest she gets infected. I've known people this nutty. Or maybe they have her in a thetan free room to become the new messiah. I can feel the making of a bad fantasy novel right there, L. Ron would be proud.

ratbastid 07-12-2006 11:50 AM

Ustwo's right: the baby's a Level 1 Preclear. They don't want to be seen in public with her.

MySexyAssJ 07-12-2006 11:56 AM

yeah, that's a good point too..

stevo 07-12-2006 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel
How is this paranoia? Tom's gay (AND INSANE), and Katie needs a career booster. No brainer.

i get it. ;)

Charlatan 07-12-2006 12:28 PM

Steveo... your OP is worth of Host. Great research!

Ustwo 07-12-2006 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan
Steveo... your OP is worth of Host. Great research!

I thought Steveo's research was germane to the topic. I'm quite confused :confused: Plus I never used the scroll button on my mouse once.

Bill O'Rights 07-12-2006 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ratbastid
Ustwo's right

Did your keyboard jam up, just a little bit, when you typed in that particular series of characters?

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Originally Posted by Ustwo
Plus I never used the scroll button on my mouse once.

:lol:

stevo 07-12-2006 02:00 PM

Another quip from www.thesuperficial.com

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Katie Holmes - who has almost never been seen since giving birth to Suri back in April - was spotted on vacation in Telluride, Colorado doing some shopping with one of her friends. Baby Suri was nowhere to be seen but before getting into the passenger seat of her Hummer H3 and heading home she told Us Weekly: “Suri’s doing great! She’s back at the house.” Additionally, a few Telluride locals have reported seeing Suri including a clerk at a natural-goods store who said Suri is "funny looking."

The timing is so perfect for this. Like the Cruise household started reading about how everybody questions if the baby actually exists so they sent Katie Holmes out on a little mission to convince everybody the baby is doing okay. And is real. And isn't just a Mr. Potato Head they're pushing around in a baby carriage. Although that would appear "funny looking" to a clerk at a natural-goods store.
I'll try to find more articles that aren't from thesuperficial dot com, although that is where most of my celeb gossip comes from.

ratbastid 07-12-2006 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights
Did your keyboard jam up, just a little bit, when you typed in that particular series of characters?

No, but I did notice a faint whiff of brimstone wafting through the room.

BigLebowski 07-13-2006 12:38 AM

naw man I think he just doesn't want to run his firstborn throught the media circus hoops. My 2c

MSD 07-20-2006 02:00 PM

It's my opinion that this is the sanest, most logically grounded thread in this forum. I'd been wondering what happened to Captain Jackass and his kid, but never put much thought into it.

The CoS is more than able and willing to cover up anything that could have gone wrong short of a nuclear attack on the hospital, and it looks like the coverup is in full swing.

TexanAvenger 07-20-2006 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MrSelfDestruct
The CoS is more than able and willing to cover up anything that could have gone wrong short of a nuclear attack on the hospital, and it looks like the coverup is in full swing.

Why do you think the kid "looks funny?"

genuinegirly 07-20-2006 06:42 PM

I'm with BigLebowski on this one. I'm sure Katie appreciates getting out of the house on her own every now and again, and they're probably both against having their child absorbed in the drama of Hollywood tabloids. Better to keep people thinking it's imaginary than give up the one bit of privacy they've managed to claim.

MSD 07-21-2006 08:33 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/TV/0....ap/index.html
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Meanwhile, Leah Remini, a friend of the 44-year-old actor and a fellow Scientologist, has this report: "She's a beaming baby. She looks like Tom and Katie, she's just beautiful."

The 36-year-old actress, star of the CBS sitcom "The King of Queens," tells People magazine in its July 31 issue that she held Suri during a recent visit to the couple's home in Los Angeles.

Cruise and Holmes are "just great parents," Remini says. "There wasn't a second she was out of their arms except when I held her."
Catch that "and a fellow Scientologist" part? To me, this adds more credibility to the story. She's the only one to come out and say she's seen the kid.

ratbastid 07-21-2006 10:55 AM

Interesting.... Remini opens with "She is a beaming baby."

not "She is beaming". Or, "She is beautiful.", no. "She is a beaming baby."

In case maybe we wondered if she was perhaps a beaming screech owl. Or a beaming soldering iron.

"Beaming" is a strange choice of words too. Beaming? What does that mean? How can a newborn POSSIBLY be beaminig? She can't focus her eyes more than ten inches from her face! And she won't have facial expressions for months. How could she be "beaming"?

I think the real intent of Ms. Remini's statement becomes clear if you drop the clearly nonsensical word "beaming". What Ms. Remini wanted us to know was plain and simple: "She's a baby."

Like, really, guys. She is. A baby. Totally a baby. I held 'er, no question about that--she's a baby. Yessiree. Baby. Baby baby baby. Don't doubt on that for a moment longer! Banish non-baby thoughts from your mind this instant, because I, Leah Remini, can personally assure you: BABY.

maleficent 07-21-2006 11:14 AM

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Cruise and Holmes are "just great parents," Remini says. "There wasn't a second she was out of their arms except when I held her."
I kinda l iked that quote... let's see - great parent = don't ever put the kid down... ok

thingstodo 07-23-2006 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by maleficent
I kinda l iked that quote... let's see - great parent = don't ever put the kid down... ok

Yeah!

Why is it so many of the Holly-wooders are Scientologists? To you have to be an actor to get in? Snicker, snicker. It seems like every time you turn around... there is one. Maybe you really have to be gay (not that there's anything wrong with that!) to get in? Oops...another theory being born?

hotzot 07-24-2006 05:39 PM

The only thing I can think of is that the baby may have a birthmark or some facial abnomality.(Clef lip etc) and being in the public eye they just want to take their time getting her ready for her debut.

maleficent 07-28-2006 11:30 AM

Pinkett Smith: Suri Cruise a 'beauty'
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NEW YORK (AP) -- TomKat's daughter, Suri, hasn't been seen in public since her April 18 birth. But a second sighting has been reported, this time by Jada Pinkett Smith.

"She's one of the sweetest babies I've ever met in my life," Pinkett Smith tells People magazine. "She's an absolute beauty and she's Daddy's little girl."

Pinkett Smith and her husband, Will Smith, have visited Suri twice, both times at Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes' mansion in Beverly Hills, California, People reported on its Web site.

"She's the cutest little baby. She's got a head full of black, beautiful hair," the 34-year-old actress tells the magazine. "She's beautiful and they're very happy and they need to be left alone."

Earlier this month, Leah Remini, another Cruise actress/pal, said she had held Suri during a visit to the couple's home.

"She's a beaming baby. She looks like Tom and Katie, she's just beautiful," the 36-year-old actress, star of the CBS sitcom "The King of Queens," told the magazine. "There wasn't a second she was out of their arms except when I held her."

Arnold Robinson, a spokesman for Cruise, has said that if and when Cruise, 44, and Holmes, 27, decide to introduce their daughter to the world, "it will be at their discretion and not anybody else's."

wonder what celeb will talk about the baby next week.. Elvis?

Fascinating really.. becuase this site... a few weeks earlier
http://suicidegirls.com/news/tags/scientologist/
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A source says Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes have yet to show her off to fellow Scientologists John Travolta, Kelly Preston and Lisa Marie Presley. Even good pals Will and Jada Pinkett Smith supposedly have not met her, despite repeated calls to Cruise. “Every time, it’s a different excuse: He’s busy or Kate’s not feeling well,” says a source. ‘[The Smiths] think it’s so weird.”


maleficent 09-06-2006 06:37 AM

Suri Cruise Makes Debut on Vanity Fair Cover
Suri's got a fringe on top.

As spectacular first photos of the spawn of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes show, 4 1/2-month-old Suri Cruise is clearly already one very pretty baby, with a thick thatch of dark hair just like her famous parents, and deep blue eyes to boot.

The quirky couple finally posed for family photos for the new edition of Vanity Fair after months of what an obviously irked Holmes called "heartbreaking" rumors that their baby was everything from alien to imaginary when Suri failed to appear in public.

"We were just living our lives, being a family" after the baby was born April 17, Holmes told the latest installment of the mag, which hits newsstands today.

"Actually, we were taking our own photos and always planned to release those at the right time. Then all the craziness began. This 'Where is Suri?' controversy. Tom and I looked at each other and said, 'What's going on?' We weren't trying to hide anything."

The 27-year-old cutie admitted that all the gossip about her and Cruise "eats away at me." She took a swipe at critics of her Scientologist beau, now infamous for using Oprah Winfrey's couch as a trampoline while professing his love for her.

"To see how someone as caring and good as Tom is — to see how things can just get so twisted and turned around. I mean, where does it come from?" Holmes said.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So the kid does exist after all.. Ok so now can people resume their lives now that they've seen a picture :D

Sage 09-06-2006 07:05 AM

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"To see how someone as caring and good as Tom is — to see how things can just get so twisted and turned around. I mean, where does it come from?" Holmes said.
hrm, Katie, i don't know... maybe BECAUSE HE'S A GRADE-A NUTJOB!

That still isn't necissarily THEIR baby... it's A baby... not THEIR baby.

roachboy 09-06-2006 07:09 AM

this storyline already happened during the first season of "footballers' wives"
it is a great show if you like High Trash (and who doesnt from time to time?) and is worth watching for new fodder.

as for tom cruise: the only thing that interests me at all about him is whether he knew he was being ridiculed from start to finish in "eyes wide shut"--which also has the WORST getting stoned sequence i have ever seen--kudos to nicole kidman on that.

as for katie holmes: who?

sapiens 09-06-2006 09:14 AM

I'm reminded of Jeremy Piven's recent interview with Access Hollywood:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...onth=08&day=29
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When Bush (Host of Access Hollywood) asked if he had seen Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie's baby Shiloh Nouvel in his Malibu, Calif., neighborhood, Piven replied, "No ... I have 116 other things to do. ... I don't go hunting for celebrity babies, thank you, Billy."

After then being grilled about Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes' daughter Suri, Piven snapped, "You need another job. You have potential as a human being. This may not be right for you. Seriously -- can you focus on other things?"
Tom Cruise is a strange man and his relationship with Katie Holmes is strange as well, but I would get annoyed too if that's all that I was ever asked. Or if such a strange topic occupied a lot of news space.

Giant Hamburger 09-06-2006 12:49 PM

Clearly, the baby was born through a series of controlled detonations of military ordinance secretly implanted in Holmes and timed to go off at the end of her gestation cycle.

I'd say more but malevolent ghosts are breaking the tips off of my newly sharpened number two pencils inside my desk drawer and the television is ON!

stevo 09-07-2006 09:28 AM

After seeing pictures of the so-called "baby" its obvious they bought an asian baby from somewhere else.

Ustwo 09-07-2006 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by stevo
After seeing pictures of the so-called "baby" its obvious they bought an asian baby from somewhere else.

Heh she did look pretty asian to me too.

Ch'i 09-09-2006 09:21 PM

http://www.anti-scientologie.ch/images5/Xenu.jpg
Maybe Lord Xenu stole their baby out of spite, forcing Tom & Katie buy one to cover it up.

Or maybe the gods of mormonism are currently engaged in an intergalactic war with Xenu and his constituents, and the baby was the chosen one. Destined to bring balance to the infinite confusion that is Hollywood.

Kali 10-05-2006 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by stevo
After seeing pictures of the so-called "baby" its obvious they bought an asian baby from somewhere else.

ROFL STOP IT!

shadowfiend 10-07-2006 10:09 AM

Yeah, there are no proof that we can give much credence to. Right now, we can all just assume that that is indeed their baby.

Gilda 10-07-2006 11:15 AM

Why not assume that we didn't see the baby sooner than we did because they wanted to maintain their privacy? They're under no obligation to show their child in public just because they happen to be actors.

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Originally Posted by stevo
That and everyone knows he's gay.

No, and this statement is easily disproven. I don't know that he's gay.

Many people may suspect that he's gay, but that's a long way from everyone knowing it.

Gilda

Ustwo 10-08-2006 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gilda
Why not assume that we didn't see the baby sooner than we did because they wanted to maintain their privacy? They're under no obligation to show their child in public just because they happen to be actors.

Because he is an attention whore.


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No, and this statement is easily disproven. I don't know that he's gay.

Many people may suspect that he's gay, but that's a long way from everyone knowing it.

Gilda
Well now you do, he is gay.

Gilda 10-08-2006 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo
Well now you do, he is gay.

No, now I know that you believe that. I also know that he's been married three times to beautiful women and practices a religion that doesn't accept homosexuals. Not proof that he's straight by any means, but I've not really seen any evidence to contradict it.

Gilda


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