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Daniel_ 03-15-2006 01:14 PM

Is the US military "bugging" people?
 
What a fantastic story!

Whatever will those wacky scientists come up with next?

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBC News
Pentagon plans cyber-insect army
By Gary Kitchener
BBC News

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...g_bugs_203.gif

The Pentagon's defence scientists want to create an army of cyber-insects that can be remotely controlled to check out explosives and send transmissions.

The idea is to insert micro-systems at the pupa stage, when the insects can integrate them into their body, so they can be remotely controlled later.

Experts told the BBC some ideas were feasible but others seemed "ludicrous".

A similar scheme aimed at manipulating wasps failed when they flew off to feed and mate.

The new scheme is a brainwave of the Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency (Darpa), which is tasked with maintaining the technological superiority of the US military.

It has asked for "innovative" bids on the insect project from interested parties.

Full story HERE

ASU2003 03-15-2006 04:23 PM

Wouldn't that kill the insect? How would you power it and how would you transmit a signal far enough?

It sounds like a tabloid story. Just like the one I saw today, "Computer virus becomes human virus."

Astrocloud 03-15-2006 04:40 PM

It's completely feasible. They already have remote controlled roaches that they use to search for victims of earthquakes.

http://www.wireheading.com/roboroach/robo-roach.jpg

nefarious 03-15-2006 10:45 PM

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY START DOING THAT TO HUMANS?!

sorry, had to add that. i'm not sure how the larva would actually be able to be controlled by a chip since, for example if something was inserted into your body, your body would surround it with tissue and there really isnt a way to tap into your brain simply by plugging into a nerve anywhere in your body.

still kind of interesting when suddenly you'd have to be on the lookout for bugs that may be abnormal looking because they could be.. "bugs". (sorry, unintended pun there)

dlish 03-16-2006 02:53 AM

im with nefarious... bugged bugs... im a skeptic..but have you guys read the book 'the men who stare at goats'?

leftyderek 03-18-2006 11:30 PM

Well didn't they try to do something with the dolphins or sharks a while ago?
That was creepy enough. I mean, who the hell gives them the right to bug the bugs/animals?

Imagine the destruction to the nature it would bring. Armies will just start slaughtering the 'suspected' animals soon...

NoSoup 03-19-2006 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by leftyderek
Well didn't they try to do something with the dolphins or sharks a while ago?
That was creepy enough. I mean, who the hell gives them the right to bug the bugs/animals?

Imagine the destruction to the nature it would bring. Armies will just start slaughtering the 'suspected' animals soon...

I believe they successfully did it with Seals... I vaguely remember seeing something on television that they had trained seals to point microphones, find underwater mines, film things, etc...

tecoyah 03-19-2006 05:05 AM

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heres a bit on the use of marine mammals by the US navy....interesting stuff:

"The U.S. Navy made military history Wednesday when it sent trained dolphins swimming into the Iraqi port of Umm Qasr to help minesweepers clear the Persian Gulf of explosives and open the way for allied cargo ships and humanitarian aid.

Two bottlenose dolphins deployed from the transport ship Ponce are among an unspecified number of the marine mammals sent from San Diego by the Navy to the region this week to safeguard allied vessels from mines and other dangers, the Navy said.

They may soon be joined by California sea lions trained to locate and snare enemy divers who are then reeled in by U.S. forces. A "platoon" of sea lions has been in Bahrain for two months and could see action soon, a Navy spokesman said. "


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...7/MN291465.DTL

ScottKuma 03-19-2006 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tecoyah

"The U.S. Navy made military history Wednesday when it sent trained dolphins swimming into the Iraqi port of Umm Qasr to help minesweepers clear the Persian Gulf of explosives and open the way for allied cargo ships and humanitarian aid.

Two bottlenose dolphins deployed from the transport ship Ponce are among an unspecified number of the marine mammals sent from San Diego by the Navy to the region this week to safeguard allied vessels from mines and other dangers, the Navy said.

They may soon be joined by California sea lions trained to locate and snare enemy divers who are then reeled in by U.S. forces. A "platoon" of sea lions has been in Bahrain for two months and could see action soon, a Navy spokesman said. "


Wow, I know that animals have long been used in warfare and search and rescue...

But I REALLY would love to know what the PETA folks or other like-minded protection groups (esp ones a bit less....wacky?) are saying about this.

tecoyah 03-19-2006 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottKuma
Wow, I know that animals have long been used in warfare and search and rescue...

But I REALLY would love to know what the PETA folks or other like-minded protection groups (esp ones a bit less....wacky?) are saying about this.


Can you say....Lawsuits....heh

Martian 03-19-2006 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by nefarious
sorry, had to add that. i'm not sure how the larva would actually be able to be controlled by a chip since, for example if something was inserted into your body, your body would surround it with tissue and there really isnt a way to tap into your brain simply by plugging into a nerve anywhere in your body.

This is true of mammallian nervous systems. Insectoid nervous systems are decidedly less complex. To use the example, butterflies use a relatively nervous system. While they do have a central brain (thus making them more complex than earthworms, for example), the whole thing only consists of a handful of neurons. It's relatively easy to figure out what goes where and with a sufficiently advanced piece of electroinics one could tap into that and override the butterfly's original nervous system, essentially taking control of it. It's been done with cockroaches already.

Although the insect remains as conscious as they ever are, it's important to remember that an insect is essentially a complex machine. There's no capacity for sentience and therefore there aren't really any ethical ramifications for any but the most left wing folks. Think PETA on this; I can't imagine there's many others out there who would champion the butterflies.

The ecological consequences are what I'd be more concerned about. When it comes to mammals it gets a lot more complicated, but then a mammal can't be controlled in the same way. The best you can do is what's been mentioned, training the marine mammals to follow specific behaviours and instructions. The animal will do it willingly because they usually get food as repayment. And really, how else do you repay something that has no sense of ownership?

I'd imagine any animals serving the marines or other armed forces would be well taken care of, if for no better reason than economy. I'd reckon it'd be pretty expensive to train these animals, and the electronics necessary to turn an insect into a remote controlled object aren't likely to be cheap.

I'm not sure about powering the device from the heat generated by the insect. Insects generate a pretty miniscule amount of heat energy to begin with and even if they didn't the methods of conversion just aren't efficient enough, unless this thing requires very little power. While it's conceivable, since there are no moving parts, I'm not really sure how feasible it actually is.

Charlatan 03-19-2006 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tecoyah
heres a bit on the use of marine mammals by the US navy....interesting stuff:

"The U.S. Navy made military history Wednesday when it sent trained dolphins swimming into the Iraqi port of Umm Qasr to help minesweepers clear the Persian Gulf of explosives and open the way for allied cargo ships and humanitarian aid.

Two bottlenose dolphins deployed from the transport ship Ponce are among an unspecified number of the marine mammals sent from San Diego by the Navy to the region this week to safeguard allied vessels from mines and other dangers, the Navy said.

They may soon be joined by California sea lions trained to locate and snare enemy divers who are then reeled in by U.S. forces. A "platoon" of sea lions has been in Bahrain for two months and could see action soon, a Navy spokesman said. "


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...7/MN291465.DTL

Reminds me of Jones, the dolphin in Johnny Mnemonic:
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He was more than a dolphin, but from another dolphin's point of view he might have seemed like something less. I watched him swirling sluggishly in his galvanized tank. Water slopped over the side, wetting my shoes. He was surplus from the last war. A cyborg.
He rose out of the water, showing us the crusted plates along his sides, a kind of visual pun, his grace nearly lost under armor, clumsy and prehistoric. Twin deformities on either side of his skull had been engineered to house sensor units. Silver lesions gleamed on exposed sections of his gray-white hide.

ASU2003 03-19-2006 06:15 PM

Maybe this is why my nose bleeds all of the time.

shadowfiend 03-26-2006 05:52 PM

Or it could be the amount of porn u're watching every day. :D


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