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Coppertop 12-14-2004 10:39 AM

Tough choice, I went with Alice in Chains.

FoolThemAll 12-14-2004 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by hawkeye
y'know, you don't have to beat your lack of taste into the ground.

I'll keep that in mind. Hey, do you still have those Good Charlotte mp3s shared?

mercury-hg 12-14-2004 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Redlemon
I'm not voting; I never really liked Grunge, but I appreciate the effect that it had on the music industry, and I really liked some of the new bands that started to get airplay once Grunge broke the door open. Before Nirvana hit the radio, you basically only heard U2, REM, and hair bands.

Redlemon, I'm curious what "grunge followers" you think were decent. As far as late adopters to a popular genre go, I've always felt that grunge offerings (Bush, Creed, Nickelback, Default, Seven Mary Three, Godsmack, Puddle of Mudd, etc) were simply horrible. The best "late grunge" bands didn't really get significant airplay (Toadies, Tripping Daisy, Hum, Shudder to Think, Dandelion, non-Frogstomp Silverchair, etc)

Guthumba 12-14-2004 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by high_way
someone who isnt on the lost is the screaming trees. love everything they have done and all of mark langhans solo stuff too

Absolutely...saw them live twice.

Mark Lanegan's solo albums, particularly Field Songs, are fantastic.


Also, don't forget bands like Helmet and Mother Love Bone...

Redlemon 12-14-2004 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mercury-hg
Redlemon, I'm curious what "grunge followers" you think were decent. As far as late adopters to a popular genre go, I've always felt that grunge offerings (Bush, Creed, Nickelback, Default, Seven Mary Three, Godsmack, Puddle of Mudd, etc) were simply horrible. The best "late grunge" bands didn't really get significant airplay (Toadies, Tripping Daisy, Hum, Shudder to Think, Dandelion, non-Frogstomp Silverchair, etc)

I'm not referring to "second-wave grunge" or something like that. There was a lot of generally fun music by one hit wonder bands, all lumped under a huge banner called "alternative", for no good reason. Elastica, Breeders, Veruca Salt (for some reason only the girl groups are coming to mind right now), groups like that. "Flagpole Sitta", whoever sang that. Third-wave ska. The Presidents of the United States of America.

These groups were signed becase Nirvana was signed, and the record companies all wanted to find something new and fresh. I think that the more one-hit-wonders are on the radio at any time, the healthier the music scene is.

Ella 12-14-2004 02:50 PM

I can't believe no-one has mentioned Mudhoney - another of Seattle's finest!

I defy you to listen to 'In And Out Of Grace' and not have a face melting moment. That song is pure grunge/rock genius. Then go and listen to the rest of their early stuff. Fucking awesome.

FoolThemAll 12-14-2004 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Redlemon
"Flagpole Sitta", whoever sang that.

Harvey Danger.

The album was pretty consistent and overall decent, but that was far and away the top song.

Grasshopper Green 12-14-2004 05:15 PM

I chose Nirvana, although I really didn't start listening to them until around '96, and had been listening to Pearl Jam and Soundgarden previously. Never listened to Alice In Chains that I'm aware of.

K-Wise 12-14-2004 05:58 PM

Hmm I actually love Bush..they're one of my favorite bands heh. I figure a lot of people never really gave them a chance because from the get go they were slammed for being "Nirvana rip-off's!" which is bullshit...Silverchair had the same bad rap except they were considered "Pearl Jam rip-offs!" and it's all bullshit..they both really good bands with their own sound...I don't know anyone who sounds like Bush and right now I can't really think of anyone who quite sounds like Silverchair either.

Asta!!

Suave 12-14-2004 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mercury-hg
Redlemon, I'm curious what "grunge followers" you think were decent. As far as late adopters to a popular genre go, I've always felt that grunge offerings (Bush, Creed, Nickelback, Default, Seven Mary Three, Godsmack, Puddle of Mudd, etc) were simply horrible. The best "late grunge" bands didn't really get significant airplay (Toadies, Tripping Daisy, Hum, Shudder to Think, Dandelion, non-Frogstomp Silverchair, etc)

I beg to differ on your opinion, and your labelling of Default or Bush as grunge. I can maybe see calling Bush grunge, but Default? There ain't a grungy sounding bone in the body of that band.

Tusko 12-14-2004 10:48 PM

mudhoney .

Soda_BoB 12-15-2004 03:46 AM

I voted Nirvana, I don't care if they're grunge or not, I just like their music.

high_way 12-15-2004 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by K-Wise
Silverchair had the same bad rap except they were considered "Pearl Jam rip-offs!" and it's all bullshit..

i have never heard silverchair refeared to as "pearl jam" rip offs... they sound nothing like pearl jam. who ever said that must be american.

on that note, i didnt know they were that well known in america...

gh0ti 12-15-2004 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mercury-hg
Redlemon, I'm curious what "grunge followers" you think were decent. As far as late adopters to a popular genre go, I've always felt that grunge offerings (Bush, Creed, Nickelback, Default, Seven Mary Three, Godsmack, Puddle of Mudd, etc) were simply horrible. The best "late grunge" bands didn't really get significant airplay (Toadies, Tripping Daisy, Hum, Shudder to Think, Dandelion, non-Frogstomp Silverchair, etc)

Isn't Creed an (ex) Christian Rock band? (Just kidding)

Creed started up right here in Tallahassee (where I grew up and still live). I remember seeing them at The Mill Brewery with along with 5 people in the audience (nobody's basically). They grew more and more popular locally and the Clear Channel X station in town picked them up.

I was at the last show they played in Tallahassee right before they started My Own Prison tour at Floyds Music Store (probably know nationally from the various Girls Gone Wild filmed there :p). They never came back to town to do a show. After we supported them for so long, helped make a name for them, etc they basically sold us out.

Creed == Sellout Christian Rock != Grunge

hawkeye 12-15-2004 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by FoolThemAll
I'll keep that in mind. Hey, do you still have those Good Charlotte mp3s shared?

I hate you, and I hope you die.

Suave 12-15-2004 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by high_way
i have never heard silverchair refeared to as "pearl jam" rip offs... they sound nothing like pearl jam. who ever said that must be american.

on that note, i didnt know they were that well known in america...

I've seen them referred to as Nirvana clones.

K-Wise 12-15-2004 03:16 PM

^ And they don't sound anything like Nirvana either. And yeah they High-Way they were kinda big here in America for a while...Tommorow was a hit but they still weren't well recieved I remember MTV news covered a story where they were performin Tommorow at a bar or club or something and some asshole threw a beer bottle right at Daniel Johns face...poor guy was probably 15 at the time. Then they had Anna's Song which was a HUGE hit here in America and I think I even remember it doing rather well on TRL. But they're pretty much considered 2 hit wonders...they even made a 2 hit wonders count down on VH1. Which is stupid because they have way more than just 2 great songs. People are still giving them shit to this day calling them rip-offs...some dumbass said they ripped off the main piano riff in Across The Night from John Lennon's Imagine...it's not true...they don't sound the same at all. People are so fuckin stupid it pisses me off.

Asta!!

mercury-hg 12-15-2004 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by K-Wise
Hmm I actually love Bush..they're one of my favorite bands heh. I figure a lot of people never really gave them a chance because from the get go they were slammed for being "Nirvana rip-off's!" which is bullshit...Silverchair had the same bad rap except they were considered "Pearl Jam rip-offs!" and it's all bullshit..they both really good bands with their own sound...I don't know anyone who sounds like Bush and right now I can't really think of anyone who quite sounds like Silverchair either.

Asta!!

"Everything Zen" not a Nirvana rip? "Tomorrow" not a Pearl Jam rip? sorry, you'll never convince me otherwise. sure Bush and Silverchair went in different directions after their first albums (and yes, there was some variety even on their first albums), but having the Nirvana or PJ sound is what got them on the radio. daniel johns of silverchair even straight up admitted that they probably listened to a bit too much PJ when writing Frogstomp... that can be forgiven of course, considering they were just 15 at the time.

silverchair has produced some impressive and varied stuff, but all of bush's experimentations with strings, electronic sounds, etc can't hide their crap songwriting :thumbsup:

mercury-hg 12-15-2004 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Suave
I beg to differ on your opinion, and your labelling of Default or Bush as grunge. I can maybe see calling Bush grunge, but Default? There ain't a grungy sounding bone in the body of that band.

there's certainly differences, but there's plenty of differences between the orignal grunge bands too. i'd say the bands i listed are undeniably influenced by popular music (grunge) in the early 90's. default and nickelback are sanitized and over-produced 2nd rate grunge.

EDIT: if you don't believe me, allmusic.com lists default, nickelback, and bush as grunge and/or post-grunge

FlatLand Flyer 12-15-2004 03:41 PM

Well I voted for Alice in Chains. I like all the bands that are listed, but AIC was heavier and I just loved their music. Dirt still gets regular playin my CD player.

high_way 12-15-2004 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Suave
I've seen them referred to as Nirvana clones.

the reason for that is that the silver part came from nirvanas sliver

K-Wise 12-15-2004 06:50 PM

I heard about that...I heard some other things it could have meant to in the "How Bands Got Their Names" post. I can agree with the similarities of songs on their first albums but most peoples first albums sound like someone...Haha I actually think Gavin is a great writer but I gotta admit..I don't always know wtf he's talkin about :p

Asta!!

Suave 12-15-2004 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mercury-hg
there's certainly differences, but there's plenty of differences between the orignal grunge bands too. i'd say the bands i listed are undeniably influenced by popular music (grunge) in the early 90's. default and nickelback are sanitized and over-produced 2nd rate grunge.

EDIT: if you don't believe me, allmusic.com lists default, nickelback, and bush as grunge and/or post-grunge

You hurt me deep inside. Defiling all of the bands that I love with your evil words. :( I thoroughly enjoyed Nickleback's first album, Default's first album (although not as much), and most of Bush's stuff. FOR SHAME! I challenge you to a duel.

mercury-hg 12-15-2004 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Suave
You hurt me deep inside. Defiling all of the bands that I love with your evil words. :( I thoroughly enjoyed Nickleback's first album, Default's first album (although not as much), and most of Bush's stuff. FOR SHAME! I challenge you to a duel.

uh oh... well, don't tell me what else you like, because there's a good chance i despise that too! ;)

Suave 12-15-2004 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mercury-hg
uh oh... well, don't tell me what else you like, because there's a good chance i despise that too! ;)

I ALSO ENJOY G-FUNK WESTCOAST RAP! :thumbsup: What're some bands/artists that you like, so I may mention my distaste for them?

Arroe 12-15-2004 10:16 PM

I couldn't vote for any because I love all 4 of those bands and they all have a different sound.

Pearl Jam has a really good mellow sound but can also crank it out. I think they're music is pretty sophisticated compared to the other bands listed.

Nirvana's music has more of a punk-ish influence with a lot of screaming, angsty music. Very simple stuff to play.

Soundgarden has power. Chris Cornell belts out notes that peel paint off walls. He beats all the other bands singers in my opinion. Overall, Soundgarden has a rock-and-roll feel.

Alice in Chains is a darker band. Layne Stanley had a voice that let you know this. I'd say their music was a mix of angst and depressing (but not depressing in a bad way... if you know what I mean).

HeAtHeN 12-15-2004 10:24 PM

Pearl Jam. I just bought their Greatest Hits yesterday.... simply amazing.

Not for You is the best song ever.... period.... ever.!!!

killeena 12-16-2004 07:10 AM

I had to go with Soundgarden. They were really just an awesome band, and Chris Cornell's voice was/is just incredible. Alice in Chains would have to be a close second for me. I liked Ten by Pearl Jam, as well as VS, but anything after that, I really couldn't get into.

Soda_BoB 12-16-2004 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by high_way
the reason for that is that the silver part came from nirvanas sliver

Now that I did not know.

high_way 12-16-2004 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Soda_BoB
Now that I did not know.

well i have always said you learn something new everyday.

also the chair part came from you am i's berlin chair...

PoweredByPorn 12-16-2004 08:54 PM

1 - Soundgarden - One of my all time favorites. Kim Thayil picks up where Iommi left off. Matt Cameron; great drummer considering the odd time signatures they used. And Cornell could wail something fierce back then... too bad he seems to have lost his voice now. Saw an Audioslave live video, he sounded like he was struggling the entire show.

2 - Alice in Chains - Cantrell's guitar tone one of the ballsiest, saturated sounds I've heard. Some badass riffs, too. Love the vocal harmonies and the dark, brooding mood they creat.

3 - Pearl Jam - Nothing special, just some great rocking tunes.

4 - Nirvana - I got turned off to them due of over-exposure. Cobain's a decent songwriter, but way way WAY overrated as a guitar player. Too many 15 year-olds just picking up the guitar, labeling Cobain as the best player ever... the man played nothing but power chords and piss-easy melodies. At least the other three bands' players had chops.

mercury-hg 12-16-2004 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Suave
I ALSO ENJOY G-FUNK WESTCOAST RAP! :thumbsup: What're some bands/artists that you like, so I may mention my distaste for them?

i guess i owe you your fair shot:

STP, Killswitch Engage, Roy Buchanan, Shadows Fall, Mastodon, Soundgarden, Incubus, Clutch, Dillinger Escape Plan, The Haunted, Nothingface, Guns n' Roses, Alice in Chains, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Megadeth, Hum, Blood Has Been Shed, Lamb of God, Hopesfall, Tripping Daisy, Led Zeppelin, The Allman Brothers, The Black Keys, My Morning Jacket, In Flames, Pantera, Tool

...but as you can see, each band is impervious to criticism! ;)

ledsam 12-16-2004 11:11 PM

Pearl Jam.

There are very few albums that can match Ten song for song. Their musicianship is outstanding, better than the other three bands, imo. Nirvana is great as well and I would rate them second. I only own one Alice in Chains album (Dirt) and no Soundgarden albums, so I don't really have a solid opinion of them. :o

Suave 12-17-2004 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mercury-hg
i guess i owe you your fair shot:

STP, Killswitch Engage, Roy Buchanan, Shadows Fall, Mastodon, Soundgarden, Incubus, Clutch, Dillinger Escape Plan, The Haunted, Nothingface, Guns n' Roses, Alice in Chains, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Megadeth, Hum, Blood Has Been Shed, Lamb of God, Hopesfall, Tripping Daisy, Led Zeppelin, The Allman Brothers, The Black Keys, My Morning Jacket, In Flames, Pantera, Tool

...but as you can see, each band is impervious to criticism! ;)

Dang. Okay, I'll just do the ones I've heard of. STP is good, Soundgarden is auditory sex, Alice in Chains is good, Stevie Ray Vaughan is good, Megadeath is good, Incubus good, Led Zep very good, Tool good.

Guns n' Roses makes me angry because Axl has the most IRRITATING VOICE ever! He also has an ego the size of a watermelon, as he re-started gnr with none of the original members. Basically, I hate Axl Rose.

My Morning Jacket. Nothing bad to say about their music, but WHAT THE HELL KIND OF NAME IS THAT? :D (kidding, I think it's unique at least)

Pantera is exactly like all other screamy powerchord metal bands out there. HELLO, WE ONLY KNOW THE "E" POWERCHORD, EXCEPT WE CAN PLAY IT TUNED DOWN ONE OR TWO OCTAVES AS WELL, AND WITH ENOUGH DISTORTION TO DESTROY THE MELODIC QUALITIES OF THE MUSIC. ALSO, YELLING MAKES FOR ENJOYABLE LYRICS. (note: I've only heard one or two songs by Pantera at a maximum)

Truthfully though, it seems that we have some common taste in music, aside from a couple of black sheep. :D

DownwardSpiral 12-22-2004 03:48 PM

Meh, Suave, I beg to differ on the Axl Rose having the most annoying voice. As annoying as it may be, my vote for most annoying voice goes to the AC/DC singer! Lol. And on that note, my vote went to Nirvana.

mercury-hg 12-22-2004 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Suave
Pantera is exactly like all other screamy powerchord metal bands out there. HELLO, WE ONLY KNOW THE "E" POWERCHORD, EXCEPT WE CAN PLAY IT TUNED DOWN ONE OR TWO OCTAVES AS WELL, AND WITH ENOUGH DISTORTION TO DESTROY THE MELODIC QUALITIES OF THE MUSIC. ALSO, YELLING MAKES FOR ENJOYABLE LYRICS. (note: I've only heard one or two songs by Pantera at a maximum)

Truthfully though, it seems that we have some common taste in music, aside from a couple of black sheep. :D

well, atleast you have some taste, nickelback, default, and bush notwithstanding ;) (please don't tell me you like 3 doors down too)

...but this pantera comment... it's basically pointless to refute it because it's so innaccurate. not only are dimebag's riffs melodic and (to some) memorable, they're certainly more complex than those of the bands you noted, let alone "E POWERCHORD CHUGGING". with metal, you often have to look to the guitar lines for melody, not the vocals. if that's not your cup of tea, so be it, but to say that metal doesn't have melodic qualities is simply untrue.

K-Wise 12-22-2004 09:15 PM

I have 3 doors down's first album...Liked the song "Be Like That" Thought about getting the second one..but then never got around to it cause I started picking up different albums instead. It's not on the top of my list. If I saw it at a pawn shop though for a couple a bucks...I'd get it sure.

Asta!!

Suave 12-23-2004 10:59 PM

Yes, I do enjoy some of Three Doors Down's stuff as well, although the only song I've seen fit to download from them is When I'm Gone. :P And the comment on metal was obviously pretty unfounded; I do hate the vast majority of it though (aside from some 80's metal which is funny in a campy way, and Metallica, Megadeth, etc).

I won't cite any of the rap I like, since I don't think it will help my case, but I also enjoy (to offset my "lack of taste" as you put it):
Coldplay
Radiohead
I Mother Earth (mainly with the original singer)
Louis Armstrong

Jadedfox 12-29-2004 07:35 AM

I vote for Alice in Chains.

Followed by Soundgarden, Nirvana, Pearl Jam.

--jaded

radioguy 12-29-2004 07:06 PM

pearl jam for me, but like others said if STP were in the list, they would get my vote.

1. pearl jam - up to and including VS.
2. nirvana - a little whiny for me
3. soundgarden - cornell's voice doesn't do it for me.
4. alice in chains - can't stand them.


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