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guinnessgurl 05-15-2004 06:31 PM

punk music
 
Without reading through all past posts (as I am a newbie....yes, i know....) I'm just going to start a new thread to see if there are any punk music fans out there? And no offense, but I don't mean pop punk fans that think they're hardcore but don't know names like Rancid, Face To Face, The Real McKenzies and the like, but I mean True fans. If you're out there, gimme a shout, would love to converse :)

00111000 05-16-2004 11:00 AM

I like punk and was into it in my teens. I was more of a hardcore fan than punk. Used to spend my weekends at cbgb/lamour/continental divide/city gardens and just see shows. Those were great days. Some Bands that are still in my playlists...

Circle Jerks
Bad Brains
Black Flag
Gorilla Biscuits
Sick of it all
Clutch
Minor Threat
Dag Nasty
The Clash
Operation Ivy
Descendents/All
Social D
Inside Out
Sub Society
The Faction
Odd man out
The Bruisers
Judge
Warzone
Biohazard

That's all I can think off now. Im not really into the newer punk. Now and then I'll find a band I really like..but not as much as I used to...

thespian86 05-16-2004 01:45 PM

(Reads responses, thinks for a second... looks at his name)

Oh I guess you could say I like punk... but just a tad but.

As of late I've started to listen to Emo bands like Brand New, Taking Back Sunday, Story of the Year...

But also I'm into Dashboard Confessional... It's good stuff (except for his new cd)

kurtisj 05-16-2004 07:24 PM

ah punk music. classic punk, i assume your speaking of. even though im a little after its time(18 years of age)i still listen. im an avid listener of social distortion, the vandals, *nofx*, pennywise to name a few. the newer pop punk shit isnt nearly as good....with the pop trend and all, but i guess thats what happens to some music over time.

cleanx 05-16-2004 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 00111000


The Bruisers


Fighting in the street
The strong survive you'll see
Pacing every move
We will not be tamed
I wonder if you think of me
As a human being
We don't really care
To us you mean nothing

Quote:

Originally posted by kurtisj
ah punk music. classic punk, i assume your speaking of. even though im a little after its time(18 years of age)i still listen. im an avid listener of social distortion, the vandals, *nofx*, pennywise to name a few. the newer pop punk shit isnt nearly as good....with the pop trend and all, but i guess thats what happens to some music over time.
i just saw pennywise last night
it was fucken awsome one the best shows ive been to in a while good friends of mine (going to see them again on wednesday)
on friday i saw western waste with agent orange which fucken pwned

here are some bands you all should check out:
western waste
98 mute
deviates
death by stereo
Rise against
Circle One
Agression
agent orange
angry samoans
fear
gg allin
red kross

guinnessgurl 05-16-2004 10:38 PM

kudos to all

Quote:

Originally posted by kurtisj
ah punk music. classic punk, i assume your speaking of. even though im a little after its time(18 years of age)i still listen. im an avid listener of social distortion, the vandals, *nofx*, pennywise to name a few. the newer pop punk shit isnt nearly as good....with the pop trend and all, but i guess thats what happens to some music over time.
I agree, this new pop punk sucks. i am totally into the classic punk, although I too am after its time (18 as well :)). I like a few semi-newer bands, like the Ataris, definitely one of my favorites :D
I wouldn't classify them as new seeing as how they came out before punk became so mainstream, but a lot of you may have only come to know them in recent years. Regardless, here is a sample:

"Life Makes No Sense"

Everything is turning grey, but I won't hold my breath today
Cause' I'm not scared and to tell the truth I just don't care.
Are you looking for an answer? When you still don't know the question.

It's like lighting candles in the rain-
Sometimes life can be a pain,
But don't give up without a fight.

Sometimes when you feel afraid, don't give up and run away.
Cause' two wrongs don't make a right.
What's the point in crying when you've don nothing wrong.
It was right there all along.

The world's nothing but a lie and everyone is going to die
But what can I say? Just help me make it through today.
You don't need a destination just to go somewhere in life.

It's like throwing feathers at the wind-
They come right back to you again.
So why not give it one more try?

Just cause' things aren't what they seem
It doesn't mean you shouldn't dream
Just don't get your hopes to high.
Cause' when things don't turn out right
You world comes crashing down.

Hope you like :)

absorbentishe 05-17-2004 06:35 AM

*Raises hand

I'm a huge punk fan. I listened in the 80's but it really wasn't my bag then. I've gotten more into punk the last 5 years. I'm hooked on many bands from the 80's that I didn't like then.

Polyphobic 05-17-2004 07:01 AM

I'm not a huge punk fun. However, I do enjoy it. It's a change of pace to the industrial and hard rock I usually listen to.
Some bands:
1) Nofx
2) Dead Kennedys
3) Dead Milkmen
4) Black Flag

KillerYoda 05-17-2004 10:36 PM

After seeing them (finally) last night, I suggest everyone listen to 30 foot fall. They need to get more recognition, cause they're badass live.

Averett 05-18-2004 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkmusicfan21
(Reads responses, thinks for a second... looks at his name)

Oh I guess you could say I like punk... but just a tad but.

As of late I've started to listen to Emo bands like Brand New, Taking Back Sunday, Story of the Year...

But also I'm into Dashboard Confessional... It's good stuff (except for his new cd)

Hey, take that last comment back! :mad: But this isn't a Dashboard thread so I'll calm down ;)

Re: punk... I went to the Dashboard show in Niagara Falls Sunday night. Why Why WHY do they have punkish type bands as their opening acts? They had 3 bands, Say Anything, The Get Up Kids and Thrice. They weren't bad, but it's just weird that they tour with a band like Dashboard. The musical styles are just so different I think.

I was in the front row. Everything was cool up until the Get Up Kids started their set. Then everyone started acting like assholes. I hate mosh pits. I hate getting shoved in the ribs at a show. I hate getting stepped on. Fuck that.

Sorry, I guess this has nothing to do with anything. Enjoy your punk music kids, I'll hang back by the bar and enjoy the music without getting my face smashed in by a 15 year old with a mohawk.

cleanx 05-18-2004 04:20 PM

people act like assholes at getup kids shows?
thats funny you would get eaten alive at a real show

SpikeQX99 05-18-2004 04:36 PM

I remember when I saw the Sex Pistols on their reunion tour in I think 1997? the opening acts were Gravity Kills and MXPX?

What the hell was Gravity Kills doing there? Well, they ended up bailing out and MXPX played their asses off, but it was still a weird mix of shit for an opening act that's for sure. I thought the crowd was gonna kill those poor fellas. Good time though, I'd never seen so many people in one place moving as one. Kinda scary.

Hey Av, if you ever go to a show around Seattle, look me up? We'll hang out in the front row, and I'll keep you from getting knocked around!

streak_56 05-18-2004 04:45 PM

wheres The Ramones? :confused: or as said before The Sex Pistols.... I guess I'm a classic punk rock fan

cleanx 05-18-2004 04:55 PM

i dont know
im not a big fan of the ramones or the pistols
to me classic is black flag, circle one etc..

brinkn1 05-18-2004 05:09 PM

I'm just getting into punk, but so far I can say I really only like older punk. Stuff like The Misfits, NoMeansNo, Husker Du, X, Meat Puppets.

Seems kinda like the newer stuff has reversed the punk ideal.

Averett 05-18-2004 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cleanx
people act like assholes at getup kids shows?
thats funny you would get eaten alive at a real show

Yup, probably... then again, I would never go to what you would probably call a "real show"

I saw MXPX open for Dashboard last fall... Not a huge fan. The lead singer was all "Are you guys ready to rock?" I hate that... Shut the hell up and sing :rolleyes:

I'm not putting down punk or their fans or whatever, its just not for me.

SpikeQX99 05-18-2004 05:23 PM

hehe... "ARE YOU READY TO ROCK!!!???"

crowd screams "YEAH", MXPX says, "well you'll get to in just a few songs, but we've gotta play too, so sit tight, and when the other guys get up here you'll soon be a rocking!!

Kinda sad, seeing how MXPX are from the town where I live now in Washington. Beautiful Silverdale!

Our only claim to fame... hooray for us!!

cleanx 05-18-2004 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Averett
Yup, probably... then again, I would never go to what you would probably call a "real show"

I saw MXPX open for Dashboard last fall... Not a huge fan. The lead singer was all "Are you guys ready to rock?" I hate that... Shut the hell up and sing :rolleyes:

I'm not putting down punk or their fans or whatever, its just not for me.

i go to alot of shows(3-5 a week)
go to a pennywise show
or to a death by stereo show
its good times

skinnymofo 05-18-2004 07:38 PM

Bad Religion
they are awesome

guinnessgurl 05-18-2004 08:17 PM

Bad Religion rocks, kudoes skinngmofo. Pennywise and Death by Stereo are also deserving of praise....but I would have to agree with Streak56 the most, the Ramones and Sex Pistols are where its at! :) Classic punk...you can't beat it!

cleanx 05-18-2004 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by guinnessgurl
Bad Religion rocks, kudoes skinngmofo. Pennywise and Death by Stereo are also deserving of praise....but I would have to agree with Streak56 the most, the Ramones and Sex Pistols are where its at! :) Classic punk...you can't beat it!
check out
agression
circle one
black flags

or opinion might change.

00111000 05-18-2004 09:10 PM

Quote:

i dont know
im not a big fan of the ramones or the pistols
to me classic is black flag, circle one etc..
I sometimes feel that way about some of the late 70's bands also, but classic is different to everyone I guess. Ramones/Pistols is a very early incarnation of punk. You've got to be older to really see them as the classics, not the forefront of punk. Do not get me wrong, I loved The Ramones. They were my first show ever, after it all I think I saw them about 9 times when I was in my teens. The 10th time should have been their last show in the NY area :( .

Black flag is definately up there with shaping the direction of what punk is today, and I don't know how many arguments me and my buddy Jeff had over what was the best line up.I'm a Keith Morris fan, he was a Rollins fan..he would always try to argue the Bill Stevenson angle and play my love of the Descendents against me. Either way punk/hard core was a huge impact on my life. I felt I found something that accepted me.

Here is another question I'll ask you all. What was the album that turned you on to punk?

Mine was Minor Threat's Out of step. I remember that day so clearly now. A late autumn day in 1987. My friends and I had just gotten back from skating the curbs down at the A&P(Slappy grinds were all the rage then!) and one of them put the album on. The first song on that album is Betray. That song makes me stoked to this day. I made of copy of it on tape. After that, my whole life changed, I was opened to this entire new culture that I could identify with. I'm thankfull I heard that album that day. It made me realize how important music would be in the rest of my life.

cleanx 05-18-2004 11:03 PM

mine was los angeles by X
i remember it was 88 and my sister was dateing this guy
he brought over a record that he stole from some store and it was some crap
so he gave it to me from that day on ive been heavly influenced by punk

and yes keith morris is the man i lived next door to him for the longest time.
what do you think of circle one?

i was just listening to kabuki girl today probaly my favorite descendents album

TheDave87 05-19-2004 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KillerYoda
After seeing them (finally) last night, I suggest everyone listen to 30 foot fall. They need to get more recognition, cause they're badass live.
30 Foot Fall rocks.... so does falling sickness.... ive been a huge punk fan for years, but ive fallen off lately due to my local scene sucking nuts and catering to pop punk. Ive seen too many bands to list, but some of my claims to fame are meeting the vandals and having them ignore me to hit on my g/f, meeting the boucning souls, meeting Toby from H20, Meeting and being on stage with the Dropkick Murphys, in the pit with a couple guys from Anti-Flag. As far as a suggestion for bands to check out, look into the Transplants (members from Rancid) and a lot of bands on Hopeless records are good.

GakFace 05-19-2004 10:36 PM

I didn't really have my own music identity back then... had I and I probably would have been hardcore punk. My sister's boyfriend has a Punk band and from that.. I've slowly been getting into it and noticing all of the great music I've been missing. I'll be sure to make great use of this thread..
I can't wait till my sister's B/f's band gets their CD out (they should be nearing completion). For the curious, the band is CookiePuss. (Punk/Ska... sometimes a bit of both, sometimes its more defined.. either way I've been impressed)

World's King 05-20-2004 02:38 AM

Punk is Dead.


Punk was dead before it started. And this is because as soon as you put a name on it... it' no longer "punk"

00111000 05-20-2004 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Original King
Punk is Dead.


Punks not dead, it's just afraid to die.

h2ogo69 05-24-2004 09:26 PM

i love punk but i liek too many bands so ill jsut give my 5 fav's

1.) the clash
2.)rancid
3.)h2o
4.)bad brains
5.)minor threat

love that east coast hardocre if u cant tell

kl0pper 05-25-2004 03:52 AM

the only punk i can stand is the dead kennedys
otherwise its boring

Rubyee 05-25-2004 07:28 AM

You know, this whole PUNK thing is a real sore spot for me. I love punk music, and it is always my number one genre. I love the old school punk, and some of the early and late 90's punk, and I agree that this new-age MTV punk pretty much sucks ass. One of my favorite bands is the Anti-Nowhere League, second to the Sex Pistols, if you must know.

Now, on to more pressing issues. What is "A" punk? There is no such thing. See, the whole punk mentality revolves around a few key issues.

1) A true punk does not care what others think of him.
2) He has disrespect for anyone who abuses power. If the power is used correctly, he has no problem with it.
3) A punk holds respect for the opinions of others, though he may not agree with them, as long as the others hold respect for his opinions, as well.

See, to be considered a punk is a very contradictory thing. Most people that are considered to be punk today wear the band tee-shirts, the wrist cuffs, the spiked jewelry; basically anything out of Hot Topic. They dress to stand out. If these people truly were punk, they wouldn't have to feel that they needed to stand out, because if they truly didn't care what others thought of them they would not want to stand out. Dressing to make yourself stand out in a crowd is a classic behavior example of caring what other people think of you (and this is different than standing out because you actually like the clothes, which is rarely done). Just to show that I am not condescending, I will be the first to admit that in the beginning, that is why I dressed to stand out- to show my contempt for the people who dressed like a herd. Now, I do a combination of the herd/standing out look.

So many people think they are punk because they disrespect all kinds of authority, and because they want anarchy (in the UK). Well, they aren't then. When the movement started, punks were only acting out against authority because they were abusing their power. It got blown to proportion to the point of hating all authority.

Also, the image of punk has turned into a very negative image due to "punks" becoming stuck up. Scenes like the one found in SLC Punk where they beat up the hicks are what cause that. Don't get me wrong, I love that movie. In the past, a true punk respected the opinions of others, even if they differed from his own. He didn't hate people just because they thought differently. That would be closer to a nazi than a punk. But, once again, time changes things.

I guess my point is that the true punk has died and turned into a spoiled brat who if he can't have his way, will wear different clothing and rebel against anything- be it ridiculous or not. A true punk could be anyone, regardless of what music they listened to or how many old school bands they could name or how many pairs of Chuck Taylors they owned (and how torn up they are). A "true punk" is someone who fits all of the guidelines I mentioned above, regardless of what they listen to.

In my opinion.

Polyphobic 05-25-2004 07:42 AM

IMHO
Listening to punk and being a punk are two different things. Some of my least favorite persons consider themselves "punks". It doesn't mean that I can't enjoy the music. I just dislike a good portion of the people who think it's a "lifestyle".

absorbentishe 05-25-2004 07:56 AM

My friends punk band will be playing a gig next week. They kick ass. They haven't played in a while, so expectations aren't as high. But I'm still expecting a killer show.

drewg 05-25-2004 02:44 PM

I used to listen to a lot of punk bands, like NOFX, Lagwagon, NUFAN, Anti-Flag, Dead Kennedys, Tilt, Randy, Pennywise, DLK etc. from the age of 14 to areound 16-17. Since punk was basically all I ever listened to, I eventually got bored to death of the lack of originality in the genre. But through the local D.I.Y. club, where most of the punk bands in my town play, I got in touch with other kinds of music derived from punk rock, like Hardcore, Screamo, Emocore, Metalcore etc. which is what usually listen to these days (in addition to my daily dose of metal and progressive rock)

31Friction 05-25-2004 03:34 PM

Bad Religion..Flogging Molly..Black Flag

cleanx 05-25-2004 05:04 PM

i never dressed the part.. i couldnt aford it..

impulse03 05-25-2004 05:10 PM

PUNK:

ramones
clash
sex pistols
dropkick murphy's
flogging molly
ramones
old nofx
pennywise
old afi (black sails in the sunset is an awesome album)
bad religion
black flag
coheed and cambria
choking victim
operation ivy
the distillers
the used

SKA:

less than jake
catch 22
hippos
mad caddies
mustard plug
aquabats
old mighty mighty bosstones

EMO:

something corporate
old alkaline trio
taking back sunday


ill add more later lol

cleanx 05-25-2004 10:42 PM

You purchased 1 ticket to:
_____________________________________________________________________________________________
Anti-Flag
Roxy Theatre, Hollywood, CA

Tuesday June 08, 2004 7:30 pm

Seat location: section GA
Total Charge: $17.95

JohnnyRock 05-26-2004 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 00111000
I like punk and was into it in my teens. I was more of a hardcore fan than punk. Used to spend my weekends at cbgb/lamour/continental divide/city gardens and just see shows. Those were great days.
Spent a lot of time at L'Amour back in the day myself [more metal and hardcore than punk]...those were the days!

cleanx 05-26-2004 08:58 PM

i use to go the kookoos nest,t-bird roller dome alot

cleanx 05-26-2004 09:41 PM

i'm not a punk, how can i be? show me the way to conformity try to be different but it's always the same end up playin' someone else's game i'm just a square goin' nowhere i'm just a square goin' nowhere you used to walk by my side now you see me comin' now you hide i see you here i see you there i can see that you don't care i'm just a square goin' nowhere

Scheme 05-30-2004 11:10 PM

I'm 18 and also into ska music

Rancid
NoFX
Pennywise
Millencolin
Ramones
Araris
Alkaline Trio
Bad Religeon
Fenix TX
Catch 22
Less Than Jake
Mad Caddies
dDUB - New Zealand band
The Managers - New Zealand band
The Mighty Mighty Bosstones
Lagwagon
Transplants

redarrow 08-18-2004 08:08 PM

Excuse the late reply.

Im not into any of that emo stuff. IMO its a load of horse shit made for teenagers to be a big sell out. However my favorite band (Iron Maiden) has been said to be a classic emo band.. which I dont get considering it being a very diverse sound of heavy metal.. but oh well.

Bands-
Dead Kennedys (yeah!!!)
Ramones
Clash
Against Me!
Turbonegro (yeah!)
Dropkick Murphys
Pogues (punk?)
Angry Samoans
Sex Pistols
Burning Brides
Flogging Molly
NOFX (yeah!!)
Misfits

Im sure I can name some more, but its that sort of punk that generally doesnt have to do with whiney girlfriend dumping shit.

Ella 08-19-2004 01:23 AM

I like this thread...some cool comments from those who subscribe to the old and the new schools.

But for a blistering, raw punk tune released in 1977 by Aussie band The Saints, check out 'Stranded (I'm)'. Released before 'God Save The Queen', it's still considered one of the finest tunes of the genre.

orphen 08-19-2004 03:49 AM

i listen to practice my power cords :D thanks for the artists. going to check them out

ForwardtoDeath 08-19-2004 08:33 AM

ahhh, how i love punk rock. Im into all different types of punk and some examples of bands i like would be:

Subhumans
The Skeptix
Doom
Crass
Toxic Narcotic
The Exploited
The Threats
G.I.S.M.
Riisteyt
Skitsystem
Black Flag
Circle Jerks
M.D.C.
Chaos UK
Broken Bones
Abrasive Wheels

....and the list goes on. The problem with punk nowadays isnt a lack of good bands, theyre there if you look for them, but rather that the scene has gone to shit. Venues are not booking a lot of shows anymore and a lot of the shows are ending with fights, which causes the venues to stop booking punk shows. If there werent so many dicks in the scene who dont accept people who dont dress like "punks" or dont accept people who listen to different music, then maybe things would be better. The only places around here that still book punk shows are cbgb, the knitting factory, abc norio and sometimes Irving Plaza.

jimk 08-19-2004 08:54 AM

anyone who loves the clash, and has any appreciation for the newer, more angst-ridden, navel-gazing pop that passes for punk these days should really dig around & find the first replacements album, "sorry ma, forgot to take out the trash."

the songs, "customer", and "i hate music" are 2 minute blasts of perfect adolescent frustration. "johnny's gonna die" is in contention for best punk ballad(?) ever. yes, ever.

crfpilot 08-19-2004 05:32 PM

What a great thread, there has been some great bands listed already, I'll write my list too. Thanks to ForwardtoDeath for mentioning Subhumans, I thought I was the only one. I can't really name one album that got me started in punk, but some of them were Circle Jerks - Group Sex, Dead Kennedy's - Give Me Convenience or Give Me Death, Nevermind the Bollocks Here's The Sex Pistols...

Here are some of my favorites:
Descendents (probably my favorite)
Bad Religion
The Vandals
Circle Jerks
Dead Kennedy's
NOFX
Pennywise
Suicidal Tendencies
Black Flag
7 Seconds
Subhumans
Sex Pistols
Ramones "yes the Ramones"
The Clash
MXPX

Since we are on this subject how does everyone feel about Me First and the Gimme Gimme's? I like them alot.

guinnessgurl 08-19-2004 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crfpilot
Since we are on this subject how does everyone feel about Me First and the Gimme Gimme's? I like them alot.

I myself love them! A lot of people would say they have no talent as all they do is covers, but they really put their own spin on things, and I love all of their albums!

HeadyIncognito 08-19-2004 11:50 PM

Hey ForwardtoDeath. I saw Toxic Narcotic recently. I don't really like them, and all, I was at the show to see Defiance and Drongos for Europe, but hey! That's almost like a connection we've got, you and I.

Uh. Also, I've been wondering. I used to sort of like GISM, but I looked them up on the internet, and what I assumed to be their webpage totally turned me off. What the fuck is "Anarchy and Violence?"

Anyhow, I personally think that Pennywise is a pretty boring band. I like Citizen Fish, The Subhumans (saw them live!), Operation Ivy, Flux of Pink Indians, Blitz, The Partisans, The Dead Boys, anything with Jello Biafra... I like a broad spectrum of bands.

ForwardtoDeath 08-20-2004 06:44 AM

Hey HeadyIncognito. Ive seen the subhumans live too, and that is probably my favorite show that I have ever seen. They were fucking awesome, played an incredibly long set and even played an encore. The place was crazy.

GISM doenst really have an official website, just a lot of tribute sites. The band doesnt exist anymore, as their guitar player, Randy Uchida died. As far as the anarchy violence thing goes, the only thing I can say is that the band was truly insane. Ive seen concert footage of them at my friends house and the singer took out a flamethrower, pointed it straight at the audience, and let 'er rip. Whether this was a staged stunt or not, it was still kinda crazy. Also, the singer would jump into the audience and just start beating the shit outta people. But they're a good band, and thats all that counts.

k1ng 08-20-2004 08:59 AM

Does Converge count?
I guess I like a bit of Ramones too.

Bleed Me Dry 08-22-2004 09:43 PM

I have and always will love true classic punk fuckin rock

The Clash
Dead Kennedys
Sub Humans
No Means No
Black Flag
Crass

So much better when it's pure raw emotion

PulpMind 08-24-2004 11:39 PM

rock is so dead.
long live paper and scissors.

laptop is the new punk rock!
look, a link ---> www.laptopbattle.org

HeadyIncognito 08-25-2004 02:17 AM

Hey EVERYONE. I just thought I'd do you guys a favor, and let you know that The Observers, a local Portland Oregon band are now on tour. Go see them, cause they kick immesurable amounts of butt.

www.theobservers.org

cleanx 08-26-2004 08:17 PM

check out Western Waste
www.westernwaste.net

killaudio 08-27-2004 03:07 AM

fuck yeah man! the managers rock, what do you think of the bleeders? and ridilin?

Heres some bands (some i cant beleive no ones metioned!!!)

Strung out
Strike anywhere
consumed
Anti flag
bouncing souls
bombshell rocks
boy sets fire
glasseater
glassjaw
none more black
only crime
midtown
hot water music
the killing tree
kistch (world famous in new zealand)
good riddance
no fun at all
propagandhi
raised fist
reel big fish
refused
sommerset
thrice
unwrittenlaw
a thron for every heart
yesterdays rising

Just to name a couple i like!

pedro padilla 08-29-2004 04:24 AM

minor threat
RKL
minutemen
fear
adolescents
misfits
big boys
snfu
social distortion
the dickies
stiff little fingers
cro mags
johnny cash (punk as fuck)
circle jerks


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