Do you like metal...real metal?
 

So do ya?...You know the kind with singing not cookie monster.
Well I found out about this band Early Man on Much Loud last night and they are frickin awesome. here's a link...they rawk~!

Early Man

Does Killswitch Engage count as "real metal"? If so, then yes. :)

I like early Metallica, Pantera, Ministry and the like. I don't like "terminal throat cancer" metal.

Not so much Metallica but Ministry -- Fuck yea.

I like Brass. That's real metal. John Phillip Sousa. Rocking stuff. ;-)

OK, kidding. Yes. Old School. Sabbath, Maiden, Mötörhead.

Also, Megadeath (though not so much Metallica - it's an attitude thing. Metallica tries too hard.)

There are legions of metalheads that would be marching to your door with pitchforks and torches if they read your assessment of "true metal." I've found that most metal with only clean singing is pretty lacking in the instrumental department. Learn to cope with some extreme vocals and you'll find some really great music. I once thought the same way about the cookie monster vocals -- that it was ridiculous and had no place in music. That stigma is still there to an extent, and there's still a good deal of metal I can't listen to because the vocals are just too horrible, but don't automatically rule out a band just because they don't use traditional vocals. Opeth, early Ulver, Agalloch, and Novembre are a few of these bands that I think everyone can appreciate in some way -- and all use clean singing in addition to extreme vocals.

Try Opeth. It's probably going to change the way you think about metal music. I know Opeth had that effect on me.

--jaded

i've tried it, and despite the great music, i just can't get past the screaming

I saw Early Man. They were pretty good, so I bought the CD, but I didn't like it as much as the live show.

early Metallica, Sabbath and Madien, damn straight I like real metal. And hell Led Zepplin could be considered the 1st ever Metal band and Damn it if that's real Metal then give it to me 24/7

%99 of anything new out there now, no thank you.

Damn! I forgot my favorite Metal band.


Jethro Tull.

(They did win the first metal grammy, and beat out Metallica to do it, embarrassing everyone involved.)

I once tried to eat some silver coins.... they had a very nasty taste... maybe if I had boiled them in water and added some salt and pepper ......

And as the KINKS are considered the gandfathers of heavy metal, how can I not like it? It all stems from Dave's rocking solo in "You Really Got Me". Or so many rock scholars say.... personally, as much as I love the KINKS, Chuck Berry's guitar was the beginning of true metal.

I like Nickelback, does that count?

Yep, the 'extreme' (read: horrible) vocals are a bit too much for me.

Pretty much all of these bands would be better without the "extreme vocals". :)

I like some growling.. I like crazy vocals.. but Opeth is pure shit. Yup you read that right S H I T.

slipknot, metalica, soulfly, motorhead, some sweet metal bands...

does nickelback count...haha.....only if you are counting faggy bands that re-hash 4 songs over and over again...

Hahhah. Nice one! :lol:

My mp3 player has Pantera, Metallica, Megadeth, Motorhead, Black Sabbath, Anthrax, Black Label Society, Slipknot, Machine Head, Tool, Ozzy, White/Rob Zombie and Damageplan. I'm not a big fan of what Dave Mustaine called, "cookie monster" vocals, but they work well when not overused.

I love metal, but I hate the 'true metal' label that gets passed around. It reeks of conformity and snobbery, something I've always felt is anti-metal. I put my favorite bands into groups:

Classic thrash:
Metallica (yes, all Metallica)
Megadeth
Slayer

90's metal:
Pantera
Sepultura
Machine Head

Death/Grindcore:
Napalm Death
Carcass
Death

Industrial Metal:
Ministry
Fear Factory
Static X (even though they are a little pussyish)

Melodic Death Metal:
Sentenced
In Flames
The Black League

Stoner Metal:
Down
COC
Clutch

Alternative Metal
Faith No More (and anything else Patton)
Tool
Deftones
SOAD

Punk/Metal Crossover
DRI
SOD

That covers the bulk of what I listen to. You can get about 100 albums from those bands. IMO, each one is a must have. Metal is a truly diverse form of music that is ever-changing and constantly re-inventing itself. Other forms of music like rap, mainstream rock, pop, etc. change but you'll never hear the vast diversity that you get from metal (even from the same bands, ie Metallica, Sentenced, Carcass all started at one point and ended up in a completely different place than where they started). At least 75% of the most talented guitarists, bassists, and drummers play in metal bands. Few get noticed by the press. I'm so sick of metal not getting credit yet I don't want the mainstream to ruin what is so perfect.

Let's not forget that a possibly apocryphal story of the beginning of the term "Heavy Metal" came from one reporter's review of a Jimi Hendrix concert. He described Jimi's playing as "heavy metal falling from the sky."

Now I have to agree with a lot of the people here that don't like the "cookie monster" stuff. Those bands are not better musicians simply because they play faster, don't have a singer, and nobody's heard of them. I bet few if any could match Slayer for speed, or Zeppelin or Sabbath for songwriting and I've listened to quite a bit of it of that stuff since a local college radio station plays nothing but metal of all types.

How could a metal thread not mention Manowar? That's a band that needs to be mentioned for true metal, as well as Judas Priest.

"True Metal" refers to a state of mind. It refers to Arena Shows with pyrotechnics and overblown guitar riffs and cheesy lyrics possibly with satanic themes. It refers to bands made up of guys with big hair and bigger egos. When talking about metal, there's True Metal and then there's everything else.

Heck we could even say that it all began with Bach or Wager. A lot of metal is very similar to both composers, actually.

Care to back that up with any kind of reasoning? The TFP usually frowns upon trolling.

Care to elaborate? I think the reason I like Opeth's vocal variance is because it makes the music so much more dynamic. I think a song like The Drapery Falls showcases this pretty well. That song would not be nearly as good without the seamless transition from death to clean vocals at the end. I think it enhances the power of the clean singing, actually.

You gotta give it a chance. I didn't like it either till I heard Napalm Death. Extreme music at its best. Faster than Slayer and just about the heaviest thing you've ever heard. Songwriting is subjective.

Cause they're gay as hell? :)

Care to put some arguments behind that statement?

--jaded

oh noes! the Opeth police are out.

First of all, I don't need to be reminded of the rules here. I know them through and through. Secondly, I don't need to argue my opinion about a band. Some people are fanatical about Linkin Park, yet most people in here would automatically blast Linkin Park for no reason. I've listed to Opeth over and over and thought they sucked. It's pretty much that simple. I found them to be boring with a touch of "I wish I was metal so I'm gonna try really hard". If you like Opeth fine, buy their CD's and make sure they have plenty of booze on the bus, just don't sit there and call me a troll because I stated an opinion.

It's no different than people saying that Opeth will change your mind about metal and yada yada yada. The two people on here that have the best knowledge of metal (this is pure opinion here..don't twist it) didn't even list Opeth in their lists. Do they like Opeth.. maybe. Do I care.. not really.

I didn't list Opeth because I've never listened to them. I'm always in search of new good music and I like it when I start listening to an existing band with a long history because I'll have several new albums to digest. Some day I'll get around to listening to them.

Expanding on calling songwriting talent a subjective item:

What defines good songwriting? Mass appeal, mood setting, ability to transition through different themes, seamless fusion of lyical content, vocal sounds, and musical tones? All those things are part of it but it's often used as an easy out for justifying talentless musicians that are somehow popular (Nirvana, Pearl Jam?). Additionally, there are different standards for every genre. Personally I think Led Zepplin sucks hairy donkey balls and is the most overrated rock band ever but if you listen to albums like Ride the Lightning (Metallica), Amok (Sentenced), Sound of Perseverence (Death), and NOLA (Down) you can see that there is just so much to those albums those albums rival the best ever made.

It just isn't a thread on metal if there isn't a little shit talking going on. As long as we don't let it devolve into a blabbermouth thread we're doing fine.

No one here has mentioned Prong? I cannot be the only one who still listens to them, can I?

I never got too much into them, in fact I'm not sure I've ever listened to one of their albums all the way through. They had a few good songs though. I haven't heard the song "Prove you Wrong" in like 7 years but I still get it stuck in my head sometimes.

You should check out a band called Sick of it All. You would probably really like them. A little suprised you don't have Godsmack on your list.

I totally agree.. but there's a difference in talking shit about a band and insinuating that someone is just trolling..


anyway, Godsmack is a decent band live. I've been to a couple of shows, but I just-- I dunno they seem pretty pussy to me when compared to the metal world.

Good songwriting is completely subjective, but it's far more than just who can play the fastest or loudest. Now you're just nuts. To say Zeppelin is pure shit, but then list Ride the Lightning as a best album ever made, even James Hetfield would probably say he was just banging on a guitar. Now if you had said And Justice for all, then you might be on to something.

Everybody is a music snob at heart who thinks the established bands suck whereas their band that no one's ever heard of is the greatest ever, but few have tried to use Ride the Lightning in that way since like 1985.

I never said they were a heterosexual metal band. :thumbsup:

They just rock too hard to not be homoerotic.

I meant to add in 'for their styles'. Perhaps "sucks hairy donkey balls" is a little extreme for LZ but I just can't stand them. Plant's voice drives me crazy.

Come on, RtL is sooo much better than AJFA. No comparison. If you said MoP, that's too close to call... Kill 'Em All was the album where they were just banging away.

That's how I feel abotu Godsmack also. They are nice to hear on the radio, see live, etc. but they are just too 'jock rock' for me.

Mentioning Godsmack in a metal thread explains a lot.

I wasn't the one to bring them up

Agreed. To me, metal is about the attitude, and they just don't have it.

I don't think Godsmack thinks they are metal. They are arena rock.

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When Chuck Berry first touched a guitar he invented the calculus. Did you know that the atoms in Chuck Berry's guitar have both a definite position and velocity.

Check out Wintersun. They're good.

I guess as far as "true metal" goes, I'm not much of a fan. I've never been able to get into Priest, Maiden or bands of that sort. As far as Opeth, they're ok, but a bit too dreary for my tastes. Don't get me wrong, I dig them at times, but they're certainly not a band I could listen to all day every day.

I listen to mostly grindcore and death metal, though I like stoner, drone, quite a bit of doom, some thrash, and, on occasion, some metalcore. I'm all about "cookie monster" :rolleyes: vocals. During the last year, however, I've found myself listening to alot of early "metal" or "hard rock", whichever you'd like to call it. Uriah Heep, Deep Purple, Cream, etc...

I've never understood the whole metal snobbery thing. If you like it, then good for you, whether I like it or not. I've come to find out that there are few who think that way anymore (were there ever many to begin with?).

While I don't think Ride the Lightning is the best metal album (or even the besr Metallica album), I do hold "For Whom the Bell Tolls" as the penultimate (sp?) metal song

Favorite metal?...Probably Scars of life, static-X (wish someone would elabortate on how they are considered pussy rock), Omniblank, Fear factory, Children of Bodom, Sevendust, ,Definitly Killswitch Engage.

I dig the deep brutal voice. (I'd take a cookie monster voice over a girly bert and ernie voice anyday) :)

That's the right spelling all right, but leads to the question, if "For Whom the Bell Tolls" was the second to last metal song, what was the very last metal song?

I think you meant just plain "ultimate", with which I would be hard pressed to disagree or even come up with all that many contenders - though, now that I think of it, "Master of Puppets" and "War Pigs" spring right to mind.

okay, you got me on the deinition. I meant to say "the ultimate example of everything i like about metal"

And I am right there with you. It's what metal is meant to be.

i like tool, but i don't know if i really consider them "metal."
i also really like this

I like Zeppelin, and I consider that real metal. I also like Messugah and Children of Bodom which is probably more true to the modern definition of metal. It's a lot better then the "terminal throat cancer" metal. The whole extreme vocals of Opeth also keep me away from them.

maybe im one of few, but i like my rock to be able to chill out to while sitting in a room and "lighten" my mood when im doing stuff ala work. Screaming stuff just doesnt do it for me, i just get annoyed.
that said there are few screaming acts that incorperate it into the songs. Isis being one of a very small bunch that i can stand.
It could just be me being an ex stoner or just liking blues and psychadelia, but i dig the stoner rock genre over everything.
with guys like Monster magnet, black nasa, atomic bitchwax, nebula, (clutch on rare occasions), Kyuss, and im going to include Alice in chains on this list as well.
Actually forget everything i just said above, i think im addicted to fuzzed out guitars, extended space jams and high energy rockouts with blues undertones.
By the way, Lemmy is god, Page is king and Jimi cant be touched... or something

Judas Priest
Iron Madien
Slayer
Megadeth
Metallica(Old, before the black album!)
Anthrax

That's real metal to me. :thumbsup:

Good thread. I've just started getting into music more lately. Ill check out more of these bands (Im sure I've heard some of their songs and liked them before, but I never used to pay attention to names of the stuff I liked, nor go into more detail of their songs).

Turns out I do like metal. Thanks for recommending early man, I really like Death is the Answer.

Just like a fetal human comes before a grown man, early metal came before the metal of today, but is a fetal human more what a human is than a grown man? I think modern metal is closer to the idea of metal than the older stuff is, but then that's just me.

I'm the one who said they are a bit pussyish. Don't get me wrong, I have all of their albums and although I haven't listened to the new one yet, I like it all. I guess they are just a little too major label.

I think major label is a good way to describe it. I enjoy going to their shows and I enjoy their music, but they just aren't in the same badass realm as say Slayer.

oh god, not more "major label sucks, indie label rules" garbage...

No, it's not that at all. They are a good band, their sound is just very 'metal' made into pop. Maybe it's all from the band but since their first release, everything has gotten progressively softer and popiier.

While some of you choose to debate the relative term of 'real' and 'good', I will count myself as a Metal fan of several of the bands listed that covers from Black Death to Prog. Yes, Opeth is one of them. The only group whose entire catalog of CDs I own.

I love metal. Some of the bands I listen to are In Flames, Devil Driver, Slayer, Fear Factory, Soilwork, Shadows Fall, Opeth, Lamb of God, Slipknot, Static X, Kittie, Sepultura, Soulfly, Damage Plan, Meshuggah, Hatebreed, Cannibal Corpse, Dream Theater, Trivium, As I lay Dying, Kataklysm, Killswitch Engage, just to name a few. My favorite band of all time is Pantera.