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roadkill 07-23-2005 07:36 PM

Who drives a manual anymore?
 
Personally I've been raised on them and also while looking for a new car demanded a manual. Back many moons ago, about a year ago, my mom got a automatic car and I just hated driveing it. And when I drove in someone elses car and they had an automatic I never liked it then either. So the question is am I just really old school or are manuals ever going to come back and be more popular?

And on top of that Who the hell drives one and what are they driveing?

username 07-23-2005 08:15 PM

I don't think manuals will be popular with the normal population, but I believe cars should be offered with a manual transmission option. If it were up to me every car would either be an SMG or a regular manual transmission, especially since the SMG can be programmed to be automatic.

I drive a manual and wouldn't have it any other way.

feelgood 07-23-2005 08:25 PM

I live with manuals. I love them because they allow me to feel like I'm really in control of the car.

Besides, with the stick, I can do doughs ;)

MSD 07-23-2005 08:38 PM

88% of US drivers have automatics so that they can drink a soda, eat their fast food, talk on their cell phone, and put on makeup while driving.

There's absolutely no excuse for not being able to drive stick. My mom worked with a guy who could use a manual transmission despite the fact that his right arm was amputated above the elbow. If he can do it, so can anyone else.

JumpinJesus 07-23-2005 08:48 PM

I personally prefer driving a stick, but with the traffic I have to drive through, a stick makes my legs turn to rubber by the time I get home, so I drive an automatic out of comfort.

fastom 07-23-2005 11:20 PM

"Just say no" to automatics. :thumbsup:

If i lost my right arm and left leg in a chainsaw accident or shark attack i'd make the shifter and clutch tonque activated or something.

healer 07-24-2005 02:03 AM

Manual rules. Automatic transmission is so limiting. No kickstart, no engine braking and especially no doughnuts :|

I'll stick to my 5-speed box, thank you very much.

bodypainter 07-24-2005 02:23 AM

When my car was new, an auto tranny was a $500 extra option. Now that my car is 10 years old, an auto tranny version is about $2000 cheaper (ie, in much less demand).

I think the market has decided. Some cars deserve a stick. :)

stingc 07-24-2005 02:46 AM

I used to be a big advocate for manuals, but I'm much less so after getting used to shifting autos. There are also automatics out now (such as those on AMG Mercedes) which are (to me) better than any stick.

healer 07-24-2005 03:05 AM

The DSG (Dynamic Sequential Gearbox) on the new Volkswagen's and Audi's are said to be some of the best in the world, and I can say from personal experience that they're a pleasure to drive. But I'm a sucker for a 1984 Ford Escort 1600 Sport with a nice short gear stick making reverse-firsts and second-slips a breeze :D

roadkill 07-24-2005 08:51 AM

At least there are some other people out there who drive stick. Manuals for life.... how can I convert some one who is an automatic lover to be a manual freak?

veruca 07-24-2005 09:12 AM

I won't drive anything else...auto's are so boring...though driving in traffic is a nightmare

Coppertop 07-24-2005 09:23 AM

I drive a manual Lancer and wouldn't buy an automatic.

username 07-24-2005 10:54 AM

Quote:

how can I convert some one who is an automatic lover to be a manual freak?
You have to show them how much more fun a manual transmission is to drive versus an automatic. Of course, this requires a car that is more fun to drive than whatever they are currently driving.

Of course, not many people actually enjoy driving and only view it as something they have to do to get to work or shop. In this case, you aren't going to convert them to a manual transmission no matter what. Because in their view, the manual is just a few more problems added on to something they already hate doing.

IC3 07-24-2005 12:03 PM

I learned how to drive in a manual, My first car was auto..My current car is manual..I'm never going back.

Manual is so much fun.

Ilow 07-24-2005 03:09 PM

My first two cars were manual so i grew up with it, but then my next three were auto, which considering I was in a shitty traffic area was probably good. Now I have a manual again and still like it, except when I'm stuck in rush hour for two hours! I'd much rather have a manual in bad weather too. People who get sports cars with auto are lame.

merkerguitars 07-24-2005 03:55 PM

I learned on a stick as my first vehicle (old beater farm truck) currently in my nissan I blew the automatic transmission and its a pain in the ass to fix and troubleshoot. So i'm doing the better thing and putting a stick, I love it for the gas mileage, ease of fixing and for the less wear on the brakes I will have. Typically I get double the brake pad life since I rarely use brake pads with a stick.

StanT 07-24-2005 05:33 PM

I drive a Honda CRV with a manual. I won't own a car with an automatic, I don't like them.

Since teaching my wife and daughters to drive a manual, they also prefer them.

StanT 07-24-2005 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roadkill
how can I convert some one who is an automatic lover to be a manual freak?

If you are talking about your spouse or SO, I'd suggest against it. Teaching my wife to drive a stick is the closest I've ever been to divorce.

politicophile 07-24-2005 05:53 PM

I drive a WRX with a 5-speed. I would never, never own an automatic. My parents always had them and I had to wait until I got a car of my own until I could get away from them. The choice is clear: manuals are just awesome!

orangeaidcow 07-24-2005 06:37 PM

I finally got a 3000gt Vr-4. its a stick and god i love it. i have had two autos and one other manual in my time driving. all my time spent with the autos has really been dull. i never liked driving them, they were so uneventful. and honestly i love having a stick, i just feel better driving one.

optik_nerve 07-24-2005 07:07 PM

I learned on a manual, but now I drive an auto Jetta and I'm not a fan of it.

I find driving a manual keeps me focused on driving rather than just steering the car...

Supple Cow 07-24-2005 07:18 PM

My car back in California was a Honda CRX, and I absolutely loved driving it. Automatics make it too easy to forget that safe driving requires your attention... and stick is so much more fun to drive. I really appreciate the more nuanced control I have over the car in a manual. I didn't even mind it in bad traffic - I mean, if I'm going to be inching forward at uneven intervals, I want to be paying attention so that I don't space out and rear-end the car in front of me. I think the roads would be a safer place if everybody was required to know how to drive stick in order to earn their license.

FlatLand Flyer 07-24-2005 09:12 PM

I have owned 3 vehicles. All have been 4WD trucks. Only 1 was an automatic, but as it turns out it was my favorite truck. It was fast and always shifted or stayed in the gear that I wanted it to. My truck now is a big lifted Chevy witha a 5-speed. Given the size of the tires and off-road use, I am glad that it is a manual because I don't even want to know how many auto tranny's I would go through. Makes it better for towing too, I think.

Having said that though, with just daily driving and what not, I would much rather am auto. Pushing down and holding a truck clutch, something that takes a fair amount of pressure, is a pain in the ass, or leg.

ChrisJericho 07-24-2005 10:39 PM

I will not buy an automobile that has an automatic transmission. period! :thumbsup:

jwoody 07-25-2005 12:26 AM

I can't think of anyone I know who drives an automatic in England.

Once I hired an automatic VW bus to take me and some friends snowboarding in Scotland. About 5 minutes into the journey I nearly broke their faces when I slammed the brake down, thinking it was the clutch. They all wore their seatbelts after that incident.

sixate 07-25-2005 03:06 AM

I haven't owned a vehicle with an automatic transmission in over 10 years, and that's not gonna change any time soon. I just bought a new car last week, and I had a hell of a time finding what I wanted with a 5 speed.

The last time I drove my girlfriends car, it's an automatic, I was slowing down to pull into her driveway and as a normal reaction my left foot went to mash down on the clutch only to hit the 15 inch wide brake pedal. I locked up the wheels and we both banged our heads into the windshield. That was the first time in at least 5 years that I had driven a car that was automatic. I now refuse to drive her car. I absolutely hate it, and I hate the fact that she won't learn how do drive stick. The only reason people don't learn is because they're lazy. I know my girlfriend couldn't handle it because she's always to busy talking on the phone or fucking with her hair. Then she can't figure out why she's had 9 accidents. For the record I've had none. So guess who drives when we go somewhere together....

dogzilla 07-25-2005 04:20 AM

My car is a manual, since I get better gas milage and think it has better acceleration than an automatic. Once in a while when driving my wife's car, I forget there is no clutch and jam on the brakes by mistake. My wife doesn't think that's funny.

jwoody 07-25-2005 04:31 AM

:thumbsup:
Glad I'm not the only one.

Charlatan 07-25-2005 06:28 AM

I learned on manual and have mostly owned manual cars since.

The cool thing is when I go to Europe on business and we rent a car... I am the the one most likely to get to use the car because I can actually drive stick.

snowy 07-25-2005 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jwoody
I can't think of anyone I know who drives an automatic in England.

Once I hired an automatic VW bus to take me and some friends snowboarding in Scotland. About 5 minutes into the journey I nearly broke their faces when I slammed the brake down, thinking it was the clutch. They all wore their seatbelts after that incident.

Heh, I did that in a rented Subaru Forester on spring break...we were getting off the freeway and I, being so used to my manual, forgot it was an automatic after having had my foot just on the gas for the last 200 miles. Whoops.

I love my manual--out of my family's four cars it's the only stick we've ever owned. The transmission is getting ready to go though :( Sad.

joecool 07-25-2005 07:35 AM

Well I would never get an auto Mustang, its like a sin or something..... and I will always own a mustang so I guess I will always own a manual.

Lebell 07-25-2005 08:28 AM

My ex and I got a manual on our '94 Saturn SL2. I was fun to feel in control of the car, but I confess that I got tired of working it on hills.

I also confess that yes, I talk on a cell phone and do other things when I should be driving.

All in all, I probably won't go back to a manual.

JustJess 07-25-2005 09:01 AM

I love sticks, I really do. But I live in Queens. I used to have a manual here too, but it just got too exhausting - stuck above the Tappan Zee bridge for 2 hours? Ugh. But the minute I move out of the city, I'm going back to manual. Whee!

It's just better - you can have a crappier car in standard, and it drives better in the winter than a fancier automatic!

StanT - I taught my husband to drive standard... he was frustrated, but he did get it eventually. No divorces! Perhaps one of you isn't patient enough to learn/teach, hmm?? :p

maleficent 07-25-2005 09:16 AM

While I haven't owned a car in years... Every car I ever did own was a stick... and much prefer driving them.. even when I lived in the city... I think I killed the clutch on my first car by teaching other people how to drive it...

The only downside to a stick.., when I got my driver's license (in the state of Connecticut in the very early 80s) if you road tested on a stick part of the test was to stop on a hill, and start up again without rolling backwards down the hill...

A few weeks back, I was at a customer site, and someone there had the 50th anniversary edition Corvette... I got to take it out for a spin... Oh that was sweet... Power good.. .controlling that kind of power... very good.

TM875 07-25-2005 09:22 AM

Manuals have some good points, but I'll stick with manu-matics, thanks. There are some occasions (read: about 95% of the time) that I don't want the hassle of dealing with shifting and gear selection. When the special time does occur (bad weather, fun twisty roads, spinning tires), I can easily shift into manual mode and do it that way.

Computerized transmissions are SO good in today's automotive world that there really is no performance benefit from driving a manual. You might save a little on gas, but that's about it. In the end, I would never buy a BMW, Merc, Corvette, ect. with a manual. Save sticks for less-advanced set-ups like four-banger econo-boxes, Mustangs, and anything from Honda.

catback 07-25-2005 11:58 AM

I drive a stick but I like both manual and automatic, sticks are for the fun driving and automatics are for the boring stuff. Go fast cars should be a stick while the family A-to-B'er should be an auto. I have to agree with the some of you that say people that drive automatics tend to not pay attention or space out. Automatic only drivers are many times worse than people that drive or at least know how to drive a stick, I too think we could make better drivers if training included learning how to drive a stick and do so in traffic.

Sticks for life, TM875 automatic in corvette = very very bad--you speak such horrid evil

StephenSa 07-25-2005 12:04 PM

I drive a stick and always have. My wife drives a stick. I have a Miata and she drives a Camaro. I like feeling more involved in my driving. With automatics too many people don't drive, they just ride behind the wheel. With a stick I'm more involved in the whole driving process. Sure, ruch hour traffic can be a pain but to me its worth it.

deri 07-25-2005 01:12 PM

I'm definately getting a manual for my next car, but I can easily see how people prefer the automatic. I drive 1-1.5 hours each way to work through stop-and-go traffic and I'm pretty sure that would be a nightmare in a manual.

Shauk 07-25-2005 02:10 PM

As much as I love manuals, I found that every single manual I have driven usually gets driven into the ground. I have a tendancy to drive aggressively (perfect driving record)

Maybe its all those damn video games or something I dunno, but I've noticed the automatic transmissions keep me from driving like too much of an ass, and in turn, my car last a lot lot longer than the manuals did.

But I agree, manuals are way more fun :)

macmanmike6100 07-25-2005 02:44 PM

Who drives a manual anymore?

<i>Real men.</i>

lol, but this does come from somebody nearly addicted to "Touch Shift"

todd 07-25-2005 03:18 PM

My car is a stick, and I love it. Our other car is a minivan which obviously is an automatic, and I hate driving that thing. Not just because of having to shift, but the whole feel of the thing.

I hate how you start moving as soon as you life your foot off the brake in an automatic. When I get into our van I always forget about that which ends up makes for an extremely jerky ride...especially when I try to use my left foot on the brake. I just hate the concept of not having to even press on the gas to back out of a parking spot or do slow maneuvers like that. I feel like I have so much more control in my car with the stick.

I learnt to drive a stick on my first car, which is the car I am still driving now. In the future I will definitly be buying sticks.

ncgti 07-27-2005 05:29 PM

To paraphrase the NRA, "You'll have to pry my stick shift from my cold dead hands"

j8ear 07-27-2005 06:23 PM

I have both sticks and auto's...each with advantages and disadvantages. Prius is an automatic, v70r is a stick (6 speed wagon with a clutch, AWD and 300 horsies :) ), I've got two automatic broncos and my 69 bronco is usually 4 speed stick. Both the Kubota and Ford tractors are sticks but they're usually set at a constant RPM.

I will tell those of you who have never driven a snow mobile or any other type of vehicle with a constant velocity transmission (CVT), that when these things are perfected for automobiles or you otherwise get a chance to experience one...it will blow you away.

Such perfectly efficient, infinate gearing with zero hesitation at any point in the acceleration or decelaration process, that will make you wonder WHY...why haven't I seen one of these before.

I still love the six speed smoothness and acceleration of my R...the low range granny gear rock crawling of the '69, but for beltway traffic, or boat towing, I prefer the automatic.

Anywho...that's my 2 cents.

-bear

Martian 07-27-2005 09:41 PM

These stories of people smashing their faces against windshields are exactly why my foot stays firmly planted on the dead pedal when in an automatic. But then, I go back and forth fairly often (gf's car, mum's car, sister's car, best friends' dad's car etc) so I'm perfectly capable of driving both.

I prefer a stick shift myself, but I won't begrudge people who want to drive auto. It's a personal preference and what I've found is that it's the people who enjoy driving who drive standard while those who are apathetic or dislike it would rather have an auto. And some people are more dangerous in stick shifts than autos, because it's an extra thing to concentrate on and to put it bluntly there are those out there who just can't handle that much multi tasking.

I love standards, but I'll pass on the elitist attitude.

keyshawn 07-31-2005 06:21 AM

I learned on an auto [had no choice, all the family cars were auto] , and have an auto right now, but I know the next car that I'll buy will be a stick !

Only person I know still with a stick is one of my friends who has a 2000 Saturn.


cya,
keyshawn

DEI37 07-31-2005 06:29 AM

I learned how to drive on a 1972 VW Super Beetle 1600 with a four speed. I blame the laziness of the general motoring community for the vast abundance of automatics on the market. People "need" to multi-task while driving, so having to shift too...that is just too much. I tell 'em to hang up the phone, put the paper down, and shave and eat breakfast BEFORE you leave the house.

I wish there were more manual transmissioned cars being built. But, when the consumer buys an automatic...guess what's gonna get built.

However, even the most diehard is forced to admit...when it comes to heavy traffic, it's hard to beat a slushbox, really. I hate traffice, and I detest the cities. If I had to live and commute like that, I wouldn't even consider a do-it-yourself gearbox.

vector_1979 08-01-2005 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by username
I don't think manuals will be popular with the normal population, but I believe cars should be offered with a manual transmission option. If it were up to me every car would either be an SMG or a regular manual transmission, especially since the SMG can be programmed to be automatic.

I drive a manual and wouldn't have it any other way.

Come to Europe. Manuals ARE popular here! We do have a good laugh at those who drive automatics, because the people that do drive them tend to be elderly people with joint problems!

Xazy 08-01-2005 03:16 PM

My mom drives a stick, I used to drive one... It is just harder in the US to find one, but they are more fun to drive, and better on gas/mile.

irseg 08-02-2005 10:28 PM

I used to have a stickshift-equipped car, but I ended up selling it and buying a car with an automatic. Big mistake.

Fortunately I recovered from my fling with the dark side, and my current car is a manual. I had almost forgotten how much fun they add to driving! I got a really good deal on the car too, because nobody wants to shift for themselves anymore.

sapiens 08-03-2005 05:24 AM

When I learned how to drive, my only option was a manual transmission. I remember getting caught on a hill on the way to a homecoming dance with my date in the passenger seat and my friend and his date in the back. That wasn't fun, but now I love driving a manual transmission.

Occasionally, a passenger in my car will ask me how I know when to change gears without a tachometer. You listen to the engine, of course. They always seem surprised by that. My parents' car has an automatic transmission and a tachometer. Why?

splck 08-03-2005 05:31 AM

manual = fun
automatic = boring

if your left leg gets tired while in traffic, learn to power shift ;)

catback 08-03-2005 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sapiens
When I learned how to drive, my only option was a manual transmission. I remember getting caught on a hill on the way to a homecoming dance with my date in the passenger seat and my friend and his date in the back. That wasn't fun, but now I love driving a manual transmission.

Occasionally, a passenger in my car will ask me how I know when to change gears without a tachometer. You listen to the engine, of course. They always seem surprised by that. My parents' car has an automatic transmission and a tachometer. Why?

Yea gotta love all the questions and the soon after reply of "That's too much work..." -- Can't forget the idiot "upshift" light when you don't have a tachometer, personally I don't pay much attention to it because I always beat it to the shift. You think being caught on a hill is bad, my buddy purchased a manual trans geo storm without knowing how to drive a stick--the sales man showed him how to operate his car but when I got to take a ride with him it was a horrid sight I'm talking unintentional peel offs, redline shifting with whiplash, and the dreded can't climb this hill syndrome. He didn't know what he was doing or doing wrong until he saw me drive my car. Glad to say now he drives like a pro.

The tach with the auto trans is so you can see if the trans is slipping, apparently there is a big need to be able to tell :)

stingc 08-03-2005 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catback
The tach with the auto trans is so you can see if the trans is slipping, apparently there is a big need to be able to tell :)

It's also so you can shift it if you want - just like a manual. And you do need a tach to shift any car if you're really beating on it.

username 08-03-2005 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vector_1979
Come to Europe. Manuals ARE popular here! We do have a good laugh at those who drive automatics, because the people that do drive them tend to be elderly people with joint problems!

Yeah, one day I will. I've always wanted to drive a TVR since it has everything I want: big engine, light car, manual, very little in the way of electronic nannies and you can't get em in the states. Of course, the new BMW M5 is there as well, and anything BMW M* is good in my book.

Supple Cow 08-03-2005 09:42 PM

What I wonder about is the logic behind licensing. I think if I can take a test in an automatic, and then earn the right to drive stick even though I don't know how, something is wrong with the system. If it were up to me, I'd make two separate licenses/certifications for those skill sets: one for basically knowing how to steer a motor vehicle and obey traffic laws, and the other for doing the same in a vehicle with manual transmission, where you could get certified for one or both during the same exam.

Gilda 08-04-2005 01:32 PM

My dad tried to teach me how to drive a stick when I was 15 and got my learner's permit. It was . . . difficult.

The basic method of instruction went like this:


1. Taking off:

I try to take off and kill the car by letting out too slowly or too quickly or giving it too much or too little gas, and kill it. Dad complains that I'm going to ruin his clutch/transmission. Dad repeats instructions for how to take off in great detail. I try to take off and kill the car. Dad complains, repeats instuctions. Repeat six or eight times. By this time he's yelling at me, telling me over and over I'm not listening, and I'm yelling back at him that I do understand, I am listening, I just can't do it right.

Repeat step one six to eight times before the car finally gets rolling.

2. Shifting gears:

I look down at the tach to check whether it's time to shift, and the car starts to drift. Dad grabs the wheel to put us back on track, and yells at me. I panic and kill the engine. Return to step one.

Dad tells me to listen to the engine and ignore the tachometer. I try to shift too soon and kill the engine. Return to step one.

I try to shift too late, Dad yells at me that I'm going to blow the engine, I panic and kill the engine. Return to step one.

Dad gets frustrated enough to just tell me when to shift. After he tells me, I wait a few seconds while I'm thinking about what I'm supposed to do next, over rev the engine, he yells at me, I panic and kill the engine. Return to step one.

Dad tells me ahead of time to to get ready to shift. I look down to try to find the gear shift, the car starts to drift, Dad grabs the wheel, yells, I panic, kill the engine, return to step one.

Dad tells me no looking, find the shifter by touch. While groping for the shifting knob, I over rev the engine, Dad yells, I panic, kill the engine. Step one.

Dad guides my hand to the shifting knob. I grind the gears by not getting the clutch all the way down before trying to take it out of ger. Yelling, panic, step one.

I get the car out of gear and look down to find second gear. Yelling, panic, step one.

I shift into fourth gear instead of second. Kill the car without the yelling and panic. Those come after.

Step 3: Operating in traffic.

We never got to step three.

Meanwhile, my Mom was teaching my sister how to drive in her automatic.

Step one: Put car in drive. Step on gas pedal. Move on to step three.

While I've spent half an hour driving down the driveway and maybe a block, Katie's driven around most of the neighborhood, actually practicing driving skills and parking and navigating stop signs and lights without having to worry about the extra what, four, five, ten things that shifting a stick requires?

It isn't about being lazy or not enjoying driving. I love driving my car--a Mini Cooper S--I'm just not anywhere near physically coordinated enough to do the six hundred other things that shifting manually requires while still maintaining control of the vehicle.

Grace has tried to convince me to let her teach me to drive a stick, and actually says it isn't difficult. I know better. Keeping 25 teenagers in order is easy. Reading Shakespeare is easy. Understand the mechanics of time travel is easy. Driving a stick is hard.

She really just wanted to get a stick in the Mini when we were ordering it. She insisted over and over that we should get a stick and she could teach me to drive it in no time. Even if this were true--and it most assuredly is not--I don't see how giving me more things to do as a driver wouldn't cause a decline in my driving skills. It was a silly argument anyway as the Mini has a manual mode, which makes it perfect for both of us. Automatic for me, manual for her.

I've tried to convince her to let me teach her how to identify the meter in a poem, yet she refuses, not seeing that as a skill that would be useful to her. Knowing how to drive a stick would be about as useful to me.

I've tried using the manual mode on my car, and even without a clutch or stick shift (it uses paddles on the steering wheel) involved, shifting manually doesn't seem to offer me any advantage I can see.

For those of you who can drive a stick and enjoy it, I think that's wonderful for you. I'm not talking on my cell or putting on makeup, I'm not lazy, I'm just incapable of learning to drive a stick, and it's a skill that would be a waste of my time and energy to learn, as it is of little to no utility to me.

For me, well, I can't put it better than Ben Franklin: Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

irseg 08-07-2005 04:25 PM

The best thing that helped me start driving stick was to learn how a manual transmission and clutch (especially the clutch!) work. It gets a lot easier when you're able to understand why you're messing with that extra pedal. http://auto.howstuffworks.com/clutch.htm does a great job of explaining clutches.

Additionally, it becomes a lot easier to take off from a standstill if you learn where the friction point (where the clutch begins engaging) is. Best way to do this is to have the car on level ground, and move it by slowly letting the clutch out *without touching the gas*. In fact I still do this when I get in an unfamiliar stickshift cars with a tricky clutch.

dirtyrascal7 08-08-2005 06:57 PM

I love driving manuals. I feel much more in control and focused... it has definitely made me a better driver.

After using one for the past 5 years straight, I don't even mind using it in heavy traffic... besides, heavy traffic sucks whether no matter what you're driving.

desal75 08-12-2005 12:38 PM

I only buy manuals and tend to not even be interested in cars that don't offer them.

But that is just my opinion.

catback 08-12-2005 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by stingc
It's also so you can shift it if you want - just like a manual. And you do need a tach to shift any car if you're really beating on it.

Manually shifting a factory spec automatic is usually a waste in my opinion. It'll make you feel fast but you won't be that much faster. If you need a tach to shift you don't know your car, tach shifting is only useful if you have a dyno sheet to go by otherwise you don't really know the best rpm to shift at. Most drivers shift by feel/sound.

Grasshopper Green 08-12-2005 05:41 PM

I've only driven a stick, and I'm used to it. I did have to rent a car with an automatic for a little while, and I enjoyed the change. I'm not particular, but I think hubby wants an automatic when we get our next car.

stingc 08-13-2005 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by catback
Manually shifting a factory spec automatic is usually a waste in my opinion. It'll make you feel fast but you won't be that much faster. If you need a tach to shift you don't know your car, tach shifting is only useful if you have a dyno sheet to go by otherwise you don't really know the best rpm to shift at. Most drivers shift by feel/sound.

In a drag race, manually shifting an auto won't make you faster, but it certainly will in every other situation. Most autos upshift far too easily, which always puts you in the wrong gear for a turn, and removes any throttle response the car might have. Also, you don't want the transmission to downshift in the middle of a hard turn. I can't stand driving any autos (except for a few new ones from MB) in "D." But I don't mind them at all otherwise. A lot of people seem to criticize automatics incessantly without ever learning how to use them.

Also, shifting at redline is optimal in most cases. You'd shift by feel or sound during normal (or somewhat fast) driving, but I don't believe anyone can reliably shift near redline just from sound (unless you enjoy bouncing off your rev limiter on a regular basis).

rideough 08-13-2005 03:45 PM

I love manuals...silent jay on the other hand love autoboxes.

irseg 08-14-2005 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by catback
Manually shifting a factory spec automatic is usually a waste in my opinion. It'll make you feel fast but you won't be that much faster.

Yep. My last car (Lincoln Mark VIII) felt quicker when I manually upshifted it, because the shifts were faster than normal and it'd squawk the tires on the 1-2 shift. But others with the same car who have run them at the track universally report getting better times by just leaving it in Drive and letting the tranny do its thing.

I suspect the same would hold true for any modern electronically-controlled automatic--the computer should have a pretty good idea of when to prepare for and command an upshift to best match the engine's power curve.

low_n_loud1 08-18-2005 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by roadkill
At least there are some other people out there who drive stick. Manuals for life.... how can I convert some one who is an automatic lover to be a manual freak?


Put them in a Mini Cooper S, and point them at a twisty road!

I kept up with a BMW M5 in my Cooper last year on a tiny twisty Scottish Highland road.. he was locking up the fronts, and all over the place trying to lose me.... although he reamed me onthe straight bits!!
:D :D

Manuals keep you focused, you're more in control, and you can feel what's going on..

Leave the Autos for the lazy heathens (Or Sheeple asI like to call 'em)!! :D :D :D

pan6467 08-18-2005 06:26 AM

[QUOTE=dirtyrascal7]I love driving manuals. I feel much more in control and focused... it has definitely made me a better driver.
[QUOTE]

Absolutely, a manual keeps you far more involved in driving and I believe makes you a better driver because you have to pay attention moreso than with an automatic.

And once you drive a stick you never want to go back, it becomes second nature.

chance 08-23-2005 11:04 AM

Honestly I don't like manuals. I have had two cars with manuals and they will be my last. Sitting in traffic most of the time gets really old after a while. I had a Passat with the Triptronic (i think that's what it was called) shifter. Now that was nice. You have the choice of manual or automatic. It's not a true manual, but it is much nicer in my opinion.

viper11885 08-23-2005 11:51 PM

I like manuals because it keeps you focused on driving. When I'm driving an auto, sometimes I tend to not focus as much on the road and look around at everything else.

In today's cars, the manuals are so easy to drive. Clutch and shifting are a breeze to operate. Unlike the older cars which had a harder clutch and longer shift throws. I learned on an older bmw 5 series and every other car that I have driven has been relatively easy. Just takes a bit to get use to the setup.

Long live manuals! :)

apeman 08-24-2005 01:19 AM

I miss manual gears ... auto is great for cruising somewhere without having to think much but it gets a bit dull. The roads around here wind around a lot as they go up and down they hills, and they're crying out for a nice chunky 5 speed ...

abaya 08-24-2005 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by pan6467
Absolutely, a manual keeps you far more involved in driving and I believe makes you a better driver because you have to pay attention moreso than with an automatic.

Agreed. I have much greater situational awareness with a manual. Might it be a personality thing? If you want to drive a manual, you're going to be the type who likes a more complicated environment by nature... maybe (talking out of my ass). Personally, I will never buy an automatic, simply because I hate driving them.

In Europe and in most other countries in the world, sticks are what EVERYONE drives, and Americans are notorious for not being able to drive a stick. I have had so many Europeans express surprise that I prefer driving a stick over an automatic. And every time I travel and someone lends me a car to drive, I'm that much more glad that I know how to drive a stick. It's a universal, except for in America. :P

SpikeQX99 08-26-2005 08:14 PM

6 speed manual here on my 350Z.. Currently now that I'm on a business trip to San Diego, I got stuck with a rental with.. you guessed it.. an automatic. I don't know how many times now I've used the left foot to try to push a clutch but find nothing but a brake pedal.. WHIPLASH! People look and laugh..

But it does have the kinda manual thing going on, so I won't be surprised if all my stick shift maniac driving will cost Hertz a 2005 Hyundai Sonata transmission...
Nothing better than being stuck in traffic in the Z.. How stiff the clutch foot gets..

Ah.. I wouldn't trade it for anything. That's the one thing that I actually look for. It just reminds me that I'm actually "driving" the car, not just pointing it in a direction, and steering...that's the feeling I get from an automatic.

I miss my Z... Soon it will be back to 3rd gear burnouts and all that general mayhem...
I learned to drive on a stick, and can't possibly imagine why I would ever need an automatic.. Even if I lost body parts, I'd get a car with paddle shifters or something like that..

tec-9-7 08-26-2005 09:22 PM

The last 4 cars I've bought, dating back to about 1995 have all been manual transmission - the next car I buy (probably a Mitsu Evo IX, but possibly a Subby STI) will also be a manual transmission.

Shizukana 08-27-2005 12:21 AM

I couldn't imagine having a Mustang GT with an automatic... So I got a stick.

I had a Nissan 240SX that was an automatic, and I got to the point where I was shifting it at times like a manual... I'd kick the overdrive off if I was having to pass someone or get up to speed on the interstate. I like having that control over a vehicle, so I decided to simply get a manual in my next car. ;)

Gideon_84 08-28-2005 04:23 AM

almost all the cars in holland al manual, automatics are for old people or people who are too lazy to touch the stick. However the automatic gearbox is nice for instance the tiptronic from Porsche. That is a damn good gearbox

Gideon_84 08-28-2005 04:41 AM

but i prefer the manual because you have much more feeling while cornering the car. my car is 785 kg, 160hp, no power steering, koni adjustables, custom camshaft, Custom made exhaust(sounds like Yamaha R1), Lightned Flywheel, Short Shift Gearbox enz. enz.

EULA 08-28-2005 05:41 PM

When I was a cart pusher at wal-mart this summer, I walked by one of those new mustang GTs, and I saw an automatic transmission. I laughed.

I was trained on a stick (95 saturn), and now I drive a 93 saturn sl2, and HATE THE AUTOMATIC. The car has plenty of power; it just doesn't like to taste of 4 on the tacometer. It's consuming oil now, so I guess I have an excuse for changing out the tranny.

boom29 08-29-2005 04:31 PM

I learned to drive on my Mom's automatic, but I always knew I wanted a manual once I got my own car. I don't dislike automatics, but driving a manual transmission is just awesome. Not to mention the "coolness" factor. Also, there's the added benefit of not having to loan your car to other people, chances are they can't drive a stick. As others have mentioned before, I sometimes feel weird driving an automatic. At times I make the motions as if I'm going to press the clutch or shift, but then I realize its an automatic. Not to mention that having to keep your foot on the brake when stopped seems like such a tedious thing to do.

Yakk 08-29-2005 05:53 PM

With an Automatic, driving is like a video game. Point! Click! Go!

With a Manual, you realize that driving is like a rocket.

Because a car is a rocket than a video game. There are impulses and forces, and those forces and impules make your car go places. And when things are not going well, knowing how to move your rocket matters.

Leo 08-31-2005 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pan6467

a manual keeps you far more involved in driving and I believe makes you a better driver because you have to pay attention moreso than with an automatic.

I agree - I find that driving a manual forces me to concentrate more on what's going on around me. Whenever I've driven someone's auto (I've never owned an auto myself) I find I slacken off a bit and don't have the same degree of awareness.

zxello 09-01-2005 09:19 PM

The only way I would EVER own an automatic is if it were in a Aston Martin DB9 with pedal sequentials, but other than that.... I'll take my manual plz kthx.

also: it sickens me that they make motorcycles in automatics....

handsolow 09-08-2005 08:30 PM

I love driving stick. I guess it's the feeling of control. I can understand people who don't like it (especially those in high traffic situations), but for me, it gives my brain something to mindlessly do while sitting in traffic. I kinda like that aspect ...does that make me weird?

texxasco 09-09-2005 04:54 PM

I learned how to drive (legally) during the summer of 1980 on my uncles farm in Michigan. It was an old Ford truck with an old 3 spd on the steering column. Over they years I have driven mostly manual transmissions, but a few automatics as well... and I prefer a good 5 spd over an automatic any day. Better control and gas mileage, are the biggest reasons, but really manuals just "feel" better.

majik_6 09-10-2005 09:40 AM

I love my manual! I have two five speeds, a 98 Mustang and a 92 S10. I've never owned anything else. I got the S10 when I was still 15 with a learner's permit and never looked back.

I find that like most others, I tend to focus MUCH more driving a stick. I would like to have cruise on those long trips, though...

Psycho Dad 09-10-2005 10:01 AM

Give me a stick, or give me death. Well maybe not anything that drastic, but given the use of the automobile, I prefer a stick in something bought to drive for pleasure. Something that my wife will be using to get groceries or whatnot and that I don't drive too often I'll settle for a slushbox.

Spektr 09-12-2005 09:52 PM

I really dislike seeing nice cars, which have the option of a 5 or 6 speed transmission (BMW, Maserati, Acura, etc), with an autobox. The ability to drive manual, I think, is one of the most essential talents everyone should have (at least some knowledge of). So much control over the car, it really helps me maintain whenever I need to focus in dangerous conditions (shitty weather, etc).

Ambition 09-13-2005 10:53 AM

I just bought a G35 Coupe, and manual is the way to go. Traffic can be a pain once in a while, but still. Manual is so much funner.

Gilda 09-13-2005 02:39 PM

Edit: Oops. Wrong thread. I apologize if the previous content of this post offended anyone. It was meant for another discussion.

To keep this post on topic, I'll just take note that in the Transporter 2, the Transporter drives an automatic (Audi A8 L W12). :)

Gilda

Psycho Dad 09-13-2005 02:43 PM

So Gilda, you for or against manual transmissions? Because I'll change my mind if it bothers you that much.


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