NEW: GTO Pics
 

http://www.highresautoimages.com/pontiac/gto.html

Don't know if anyone has seen these yet.

A little disappointed after all the hype.

Ya does look a little to much like the Grand Prix or Grand Am!

No tri power intake on it lol...yeah seems to much like a gran prix with a vette engine in it....it's gonna be fast as hell though

this car says yeah look at me i bought a grand prix with a fancy engine that will blow up because it's a pontiac. seriously though i might be biased because i hate american cars but can GM not come up with a different exterior look for these cars. i still can't tell the grand prix apart from the grand am and now the GTO. wait why would i want to be able to tell them apart i usually look away when they are around once again TRY A DIFFERENT BODY STYLE FOR DIFFERENT CARS.

I thought I liked the looks of it...but this just looks ugly

http://www.highresautoimages.com/pontiac/gto11.jpg

nothing special. :(

It's called understated elegance. The interior quality has been favorably compared with the BMW interiors. Granted, the exterior isn't exactly flashy, but that's the point. The original GTO wasn't flashy either. GM did a good job with this car...it'll be a sleeper to a point. Unsuspecting F-body and Mustang drivers will get caught with their pants down. Personally, GM needs more cars like this. Not necessarily looking like this, but with this idea in mind.

the words pontiac and elegance don't go together. and there is no comparison between the interior of a Beemer and this thing. Did GM make this comparison?

the exterior isn't flashy because its the same design from 3-5 years ago times change. didn't work then doesn't work now.

Saw the GTO at the car show a couple days ago...maybe ill upload some pics. Anyway, i think the styling is very bland...not much too it. But thats not a car you buy for the styling. Personally, i think the Holden version looks much better.

I too am very disappointed in this. The brand just seems like the rejects of GM. If I have a 350hp engine, I don't want understaed elegance. I want my car to say "go ahead and fuck with me."

Ok ... these are a few pics of it from the auto show a few days ago. Brother took the pics :( so they certainly aren't the best view of the car. Also...imagestation is kinda slow.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...a/fa0da62a.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...5/fa0da616.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...6/fa0da5e8.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...3/fa0da5ba.jpg

whaddayaknow, it's a Holden Monaro with a split grille and different badging.

boy i hope i get to work for the pontiac design team when i grow up so i can sit on my ass and drink coffee while we bring back an american icon and don't do crap with it...

Visually? Yawn.

Mechanically? Schwing!

i have an idea let's take off the holden badges split the grille and bingo done. (overheard at pontiac design team meeting)

No...Motor Trend made that comparison. This is probably the best interior GM has done in a long time. It does feel solid, and looks good, too. In my opinion, this car represents the classic GTO pretty well. Sure, I think the tail lights could use some help, but other than that...it's just about perfect.

just because it is the best interior GM has done in a long time and yes we will be seeing a lot of it everyone knows how they love to recycle garbage and a magazine makes a comparison does not make it so. and if you think it's just about perfect like i said before it's been around for 3-5 years already. you probablt like the grand prix and grand am as well? and judging by the nascar signature you probably can't wait to see this crappy thing going round and round for 4 hours. try F1 or world rally there's drivers with skill.

Well the styling leaves something to be desired, but the car overall represents a step in the right direction for GM. The Holden Monaro (what this car is called elsewhere) is a pretty kickass car. It took on an M5 in a comparo and just BARELY lost out. Considering how much less this car costs than the M5, I'd say it deserves some attention.

For years GM has been making boring, crappy clones of all its other cars, and for years the cars have had some of the worst reliability ratings in the industry. It was so bad that GM even ran ads last year apologizing for it. It'd be nice to see them come out with some quality for once.

I personally dont like the looks of the new GTO....

Looks a little too much like this for me
http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...342_7_full.jpg

I do however respect its power :D

i know nothing about cars because i state the truth the car looks like a grand prix or grand am whatever the hell they are.

when i say i can't tell the differenc its because i actually don't give a shit about these cars. are you another idiot spouting his unfounded opinions all ovcer the place sounds like it to me. what is the purpose of a forum if no one states thier opinion?

no i haven't sat in a GTO and probably never will they don't appeal to me.as for the shut the fuck up part well very mature.

WE never established that i know nothing but i'm guessing you think you know everything.

when has GM kicked the piss out of anything for less money? and don't say the sunfire.

i'm impressed you read something to get your info you get a gold star.

i neve rsaid i could out drive any of these people, but i know i can't watch someone drive around an oval for 4 hours and get excited they should know the track they do 400 laps.

an F1 car doesn't impress you but a nasscar does and i know nothing about cars that funny.

one more thing to prove you in fact are car retarded you actually think it looks like a Supra

i hope the mods do something about people bieng told to "Shut The Fuck Up" much like i was on the post above. that isn't right at all we are all members here and should respect each other as the same. bad30th you may think i know nothing about cars but I KNOW you have no class what-so-ever.

Wow...umm...im ALMOST at a loss for words. There are plenty of other cars...but first and foremost comes to mind the Chevrolet Corvette ZO6. Name another car nears its price that could even begin to compete with it. Maybe you can think of one. Maybe two. But that still leaves a helluva lot of cars that it "kicked the piss out of".

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...9/fa09c923.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...8/fa09c903.jpg

Cadillac CTS-V. That LS6 makes it a pretty formidable luxory car, and a price that is better than a few others.

Not quite sure on the price on this, but im sure it too will also outperform most cars in its price range :
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...7/fa09c94e.jpg
With THIS crammed in it :
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...9/fa09c964.jpg

Again, a few cars may beat it, but GM has always been about making powerful cars ... and making them affordable. I think they are much better at it than ford, chrysler, and many of the foreign comapnies as well.

I have typed enough, so i wont even touch the whole racing thing... But I also think it does look a bit like that black one, with the exception of the headlights.

This thread should not be degrading into a flamewar. That's where it looks like it's going. Next time anyone starts telling someone to "shut the fuck up" or calls them an idiot, I'm closing the thread. I'm sure that there are a bunch of people who want to have a serious, mature discussion, so don't ruin it for them.

i'd take a mustang SVT over a vette and the GXP still sticks to the basic exterior design the grand prix look. the only smart thing chevy has done lately is take the CTS and turn it from a 220 hp baby (a friend owns one and it was great except gutless) and give it 250 hp for the new model year. the CTS-V is a good car but the model is still relatively new i'd go with the Benz C55 AMG.

what black one? do you mean the Supra?

Thats a Celica.

sorry oh great one i made a mistake i bow at your greatness. you still have not proved anything other than the fact that you can join a thread and flame people that's it that's all. when you actually have something worth while to contribute feel free.

Wow I started one of the biggest fights I have ever seen on a Forum:eek:

you started this.......................................... good job bad30th seems like he loves GM so much he probably does the tailpipe.

Well I started it by posting a link to the new GTO pics....and then all hell broke lose...I love GM too. but if people don't like GM then good for them..I hate all other makes...Jap cars german and even Ford and Dodge....to each his own!

Wow! This is the bigest flamewar I have ever seen here on the tfp. I figure, even though I don't like the car, to each their own. Also, This whole thing could have been avoided if people had simply explained their opinions in stead of stating them and expecting everyone to understand.

theguyondacouch i have to agree with you to each his own but bad30th di kinda begin this whole episode with his attack on silent_jay's opinion. me not a big fan of the american made cars but i do like some of them such as the vette the mustang and even the cts-v

In no way other than speed does it resemble a GTO. Pontiac actually purchased the design from an Australian company. If you are going to bring back a classic, at least spend the time to bring it back and not buy a design that looks nothing like a the original.

we know they got it from holden. i agree they should have thier R&D team fire dfor this one.

"They got it from holden".

Isn't Holden a GM company? just goes by a different name overseas....at least i thought. If so, they didn't take it from anyone, just released as two different cars depending on where in the world you live.

Ok this will be my last post here in this thread...

If you read the "opinions" of silent jay, they were nothing more than "its a pontiac so it will fall apart" and this car will never compare to a Beemer" when in fact he has absolutley no experience with the GTO, and knows nothing about it except the fact that it is a GM product.

I will admit that I started the actual personal attacks, but in my book, when someone says "it'll fall apart because its a pontiac" and then gives no reasoning behind it, THAT is a flame.

But...whatever.

To the original poster...my apologies for shitting on your thread.

what is your experience with the GTO? i'm just curious you seem to think you know the inside and out simply because you read the specs. not trying to flame i actually want to know.

Well since you asked nicely :D hehe

None. Thats why I didnt comment on whether or not it is a piece of shit, cheap interior, whatever. I simply know the power numbers and how it looks. If you'll notice, thats all I commented on :D

thanks for clarifying that.

Any time :p

Yeah, the design of the car does come from Holden, a GM of Australia company. The reasoning? Simple. Vastly cuts time to production, and most importantly...cost. I saw pics of the CTS-V. That car kicks ass. BMW's M5 test driver went out on the Nurburgring (sp?) road course, and in the first few laps with the car, had already bested the M5's fast lap...and he's familiar with the M5!!! That says something. Having the GTO in the form that they brought it back in is also smart. It's a proven platform. The engine is reliable, and the rest of the car has already had the majority of it's kinks worked out in the Australian marketplace. Sure, a few changes had to be made, but most of them probably come from having to switch the front seat positions and dashboard assemblies. GM did it right. The car looks to be the real deal, and based on the pro's reviews...it's gonna be stiff competition for anything in its class.

Now, for the personal attack on me, silent_jay...get a grip. NASCAR drivers are among the world's top athletes. There is competition in the NASCAR ranks, unlike F1, where a close race has 5 seconds separating first and second. In NASCAR, the entire field of 43 can be separated by that amount of time. That takes skill to drive 170+ mph, 3 wide, 10 deep. And, it's more fun to watch like that. You'll NEVER hear a team order to let a team mate win by pulling over and let him pass. Hell, no. Where I come from, if you want the spot, you don't whine to your "boss" to get your team mate to pull over, and let me by. You go race for it...you WORK for it. Gimme's...what a bunch of pansy asses.

I'll quit. I like this place too much to get really pissed...and that's where I'm headed. G'nite, y'all.

Oh, and by the way, yeah, I do like the Grand Prix. A lot of go for the money, and it out does most of the cars in it's class, and some in a higher class. I have driven a GTP Comp...it rides well, handles solidly, and even the interior feels like quality. I like the Grand Am GT as well, albeit to a lesser degree.

sorry about the attack on NASCAR i just have issues with racing around an oval for 4 hours, and when they do a road course thier top speed is what 89 mph. F1 drivers are just more highly skilled in my opinion because they have to make left and right turns at break neck speeds and they have the lower competitors who don't always want to let the leaders pass clean. but they are not as skilled as FIA rally drivers these men and women are nuts going 100+mph with tree's a foot off your door that's crazy.

once again sorry for the personal attack it won't happen again

Thanks, silent_jay...apology accepted. No hard feelings here. I was tired, and not feeling good...may have blown it out of proportion.

And now...ON WITH THE SHOW!

Humm would have to look into that

The GTO doesn't really make me go Wow. Could of been better design.

Well I saw one this past Monday....and wow these cars look better in person...I like the fact when you pop the hood they look easy to work on which = easier hotrodding. Very Comfortable on the inside too....It even has a factory strut bar on it.

Are You Kidding?
 

Thats a GTO in name only.

These are GTOs.

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A GTO, ahhaahahahaa, thats a good one. Its a Sunfire/GrandPrix/Celica/Cougar girly car. :lol:

Think Holden is owned by GM, but they run independently in R&D (I assume) due to the different needs of the Australian market. Though Holden have begun to use corvette engines in their sports cars...and I think they now use mainly American V8s...(When they make a V8 car that is, majority of their designs are V6s or 4 cylinders I think...)

http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/...d=5&catid=1004
Can see some pictures of the Holden Monaro there, quite similar but it has larger rim sizes on the mag wheels, maybe a few other differences.
Powerclown : I wouldn't suggest you say that to any Australian holden fans, you'd get a bloody nose quick smart :p
Holden re-released the monaro because it was resurrecting the old coupe from the 70s, and most people I've talked to reckon they did it justice.

I'm disappointed it looks quite so similar to the Monaro, although the Monaro can look bloody good. The top spec one looks awesome in real life...

The designers should be forced to drive Yugos until they can fully comprehend what an opportunity they just wasted. GTOs were awesome cars. That's a Grand Am with a big engine. Absolute waste of a billion $ to come up with.

Do you realize that the original GTO was a rebadged LeMans/Tempest with a bigger engine? It was not a standout car for its time (looks-wise). Its only because of the history that people think it looks so unique now. The philosophy on the new GTO is exactly what the old one was - a normal, relatively cheap car with a great engine.

Agreed! Just because you can slap a logo on a car doesn't make it the real thing. The current Impala is also an embarrassment.

It's not about where it came from/how it was produced but that it had classic lines and styling details that set it apart from its origins. This new version has none of that, only some badges saying GTO. They had an opportunity to create something significant, instead they threw a V8 into a generic car and didn't add any style to it.

The Impala is a completely different case.....they took it from a large-displacement, front engine REAR WHEEL DRIVE V8 in a full size car to a small displacement FRONT WHEEL DRIVE V-fucking-6 in a mid-size car....

The GTO, however is still front engine rear wheel drive with plenty of power in that LS1 to eat the old GTOs alive.....

Like I said, I am not a fan of the looks of it, but jesus christ, the originals werent exactly pretty in ther day either. But they performed, and thets what mattered to people.

To all those who say "ITS NOT A GTO ! ! !" Why do you say that? What makes it not a GTO? I mean the names been gone for 30 years or more, what did you expect it to look like when it came back? Exactly like the original? Because I tend to think thats the only way you would have been happy with it....

see 2005 Ford Mustang GT, 2005 Chevrolet Corvette

(actually look like the originals, gasp!)

Why even call it a GTO? What makes a GTO a GTO? What makes a Vette a Vette?

They should call it The 2005 Pontiac Cupcake...:lol:

ROFL thats the best line I've heard all day! :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://www.proteam-corvette.com/cars/photos/281T.jpg

Hmm....yeah...i can hardly tell the difference between the new and old one.

The fact is, you only think they looked like the originals because you got to see them evolve. Take out all the middle ones, and they hardly look like theyd be the same car. Hell, the 62 and 63 Dont even look too much like the same car. I do imagine that if GM had kept the GTO name around, it would still probably end up look very similar to this one by now. But you wouldn't think anything of it, because you would have seen it evolve.

That was kinda part of my point that I forgot to include, Peryn. Thank you for pointing that out :D

Damn right I really don't care that it looks like a Grand Am, I just want the HP.......I would also love to aftermarket the shit out of that car with 17 or 18 inch rims redone interior and a sound system!

doesn't do a thing for me.
Understated styling means to me they can't think of anything exciting.

BoCo, those are true Goats !

Right on Powerclown !

I'm just glad they didn't make a Judge yet!


Can't remake that!

Not true at all. If they had added some style it would be a different story. There isn't a scoop, line, or curve that shows any originality in the new version. While the old ones were supposed to be "sleepers" they held hints other than a nameplate that they were different from their forefathers.

Pain train, Sorry if I stepped on your toes, I wasn't slamming you or the car so much as showing I'm an old fart that prefered the classic GTO. No disrepect intended.

I'm a young lad and I still like the classics more....just that I wouldn't mind taking one for a rip!

No hard feelings!

I had to join this conversation and put an end to all of this:

1) Yes this is a re-badged Monaro (and Holden is owned by GM)...
2) The firebird was a re-badged Camaro but you didn't see people whine and complain about that all the live long day.

3) Retro is ugly. It's a novelty design that quickly wears away: ie thunderbird.

4) What is a GTO? Is it flashy hood ornaments? goofy colored stripe combinations. Or is it a Rear wheel drive 2+2 kick you in the teeth type of performing car?

I don't understand how you can HATE this car so much without even driving it. It's funny. Granted the design doesn't have anything to be desired, but it doesn't have anything to hate either.

The interior however is class leading (in my opinion) and the suspension (as rated by magazines) is world class.

Would you rather have in the pontiac line-up a bunch of 4 door v6 family cars? or would you like to have a GTO that can kick the ass of some POS mustang?

anyways, most of ya'll frustrated me with your pure ignorance off of a design. Retro sucks, that is why the mustang will have a tired look in only a couple of years.

http://lakefiredesigns.com/images/GTOcontest.jpg

Here's something I did in photoshop for fun. LONG live the GTO!

wow just when i thought i couldn't dislike this car anymore this happens. Orange looks good on very few cars and this is not one of them. Not flaming just opinion,

I'll take a proven European company over a fancied up Grand Prix anyday.

proven by whom.....

:rolleyes:

I do not liek the new one at all i dont know why i just dont like that look or the look of many of the new pontiacs.

What are you talking about, orange looks sweet!

You should see the yellow one at a dealership I went to....actually doesn't look too bad.....and I checked the sticked price....Good performer for the money :)

you have your opinion i have mine c'est la vie.

True

TO PAIN TRAIN:
I like the performance of the new GTO for the price, but I was hoping for something a little different in exterior styling. That said it is still pretty sweet.

Nice war.

LOL I didn't mean for this thread to turn into a war.....I just posted the new pictures!

OMG, absolutely horrible!
I can't believe they actually did a good design job with the Solstice when they're putting out crap like this.

let's not get on that Solstice, if that's a good job well they should go beck to the drawing board.

OH no here we go again!:eek:

Please don't start up the war again!

yes both the solstice and gto are equally horrible, neither is better than the other

Hahaha, I'd have to say I agree with pretty much everything silent_jay has to say.

I'd take my SVT over that POS any day.

*does that happy dance*

This isn't a car that was meant to have people care about it's looks, although even in that category it's much better than the standard GM fare. It doesn't have the "ribbed for her pleasure" body cladding they've been slapping on the Grand Am / Grand Prix for years. The interior isn't acres of cheap grey plastic. The seats don't look like an easy chair you found in a salvage yard.

I'm not a huge fan of GM, but they're making some good moves with this car. BTW, I dunno why people are bitching about the fact that it's a Monaro. The Monaro is a pretty damn sweet car, and it's about time some good cars are available on this side of the pond.

I don't see anyone bitching about the Acura TSX, which is really a rebadged euro-market Accord.

Because the TSX is Honda/Acura....and Honda/Acura can do no wrong....

But yeah, I agree about more cars "from across the pond" being made available to us.....Australia has some pretty sweet cars that we will never ever get. :(

Australia is where the GTO is from!

SVT's rock i love them.

yeah, really not likeing the body styling on that one.

Ya like I said before, I'm not crazy for it but all I want is horse power and this thing has power!

I'd rather something that looked good and was fast as opposed to something that is ugly and fast much like the SRT-4, call it what they like it's still a neon. and this is still a grand prix, minus some plastic cladding.

I thinking aftermarket for the GTO, body kit rims and maybe some interior work boom! sweet looking car.:o

meh it could be hard to turn a pontiac into a sweet car why not just buy something already sweet like a WRX STI now that is a car.

A WRX STi is fast, but I think its one of the ugliest cars in production right now. The boring GTO styling will look better any day.

a GTO looking better than a WRX STI did I read this right and have you been drinking? just playing but come on the STI is better than the GTO in every way

Ok we need pictures!

ya that huge wing on the STi is really sweet :rolleyes:

totally flows with the body lines too :lol:

I will agree with you wholeheartedly here....the NEON SRT-4 is hideous.....

Ok dude have you not read a single thing about this car? It is a completely different platform that the GM W-body (Grand Prix, Impala, Intrigue).....not to meantion the fact that it was designed and first produced as the Monaro in Australia.

If you wanna say it looks like a Grand Prix, thats fine by me, though I dont see how....with the exception of the split front mesh grilles (just like EVERY BMW car, which I dont hear anyone complaining about) it looks completely different....

Plus the orignal goat had the grill like that!

That huge wing you say looks horrible is also on the Rally car does it look horrible on that and also on the EVO, try driving the car without it and we'll see how good it habdles. Take a look at the grand prix and the gto side by side and if you can't see the similarities then i have some glasses you can borrow. You mean the split grill that pontiac tried to copy from BMW and screwed it up like most things they touch.

BMW copyied Pontiac with the spilt grill, when the Goat first came out back in like 71' they had the classic spilt grill!

Yes, the wing looks bad on rally cars and on the Evo. The Evo looks even worse than an STi. If those wings noticeably affect handling under 120 mph, then the car is designed poorly. Unless I was racing, I wouldn't want it there. Just because a wing is "functional" doesn't automatically make it a thing of beauty. Of course you'd probably have some comments about the cars I like, so this argument is kind of pointless :p