fezman

While this debate will never really be solved, I believe newer automatics are plenty responsive enough for most drivers. You just have to know the shift points and how much throttle is required to make it shift when you want to. Of course you can get a shift kit, better suited torque converter and reprogrammed ECUs for most cars with autos that makes them even more fun. Almost all autos from the factory are geared towards max MPG and minimized emissions, so modding it can help immensely.

My Alero's auto transmisison is plenty responsive enough for my daily driver car. I can make it shift whenever I want to, and I don't have to deal with a clutch of shifter. The fewer distractions, the more concentration I can put on the road. When I'm in bad traffic where you move a few feet every 10 seconds, I'm very glad I don't have a manual. I would probably kill the clutch in 30k miles or something.

That being said I do enjoy driving manual cars, and my TR7 project car is a manual. I'm probably never going to drive it in morning traffic, it's a weekend driver (well once it's legal to drive at least). It's shifter has a very good feel to it, of course a new clutch, rebuilt transmission, and rebuilt shifter linkage helps with that. But having the reverse gear up and to the left is annoying

I don't know how people can stand manuals in heavy traffic, constantly having to shift, use the clutch, engine brake etc... would seem to put alot of wear and tear on it, not to mention being a pain in the ass. I've driven our truck around (S10 w/ 5 speed) in traffic on numerous occasions and I can't stand it. That's not just that truck of course as it's very easy to drive, it's just extra effort I don't want to deal with in those occasions.

madsenj37

I prefer manual, with a clutch. None of this manumatic stuff. A manual gives you more control over your power band and allows you to focus on driving. An automatic leaves you freer to get distracted. Plus only so many of us can drive a manual. If you can drive a manual, you can drive an automatic. But if you can drive an automatic that doesnt mean you know how to drive a manual. Plus with todays automatics being computer driven, automatics can have more go wrong in my opinion.

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madsenj37

Plus how many automatics have more than four gears? Most, I know some exist, do not give you as many gear options as manuals. Viva La Manual!

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madsenj37

2. This is not so true anymore. With computers in the automatics these days, automatics are getting the same gas mileage. This is only true for newer cars however.

6. Its 1 in 11 Europeans drive an automatic, while 1 in 7 Americans drive a manual. Lazy Americans is correct.

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RemyLebeau97

Manuals are more fun to drive, you get that feeling like your part of the car. Guess it all depends on the car too.......Corvette-Manual..............Camry-Automatic feel me???

mpedrummer2

I was a valet for a while, and got to drive all sorts of sweet vehicles in Boston.

IMHO - for general preferance, I like manual. Just because.

For performance...I can shift better than any automatic made by Ford, Chevy, Chrysler, Honda, etc. The upper end BMWs and Mercedes, though, really started to shift the way I'd want them to, without the little surprises here and there along the way that you get with cheaper cars.

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nitrorclover

I cannot stand slushboxes... I hate it when I am going up a grade and losing speed, but it will NEVER downshift in an auto until the peddle is almost floored.

mb99usa

I hate not having a manual anymore. This is my 7th vehicle and 1st with an auto. I have a 4-hour round trip commute everyday with a lot of stop and go. The manual was much better in the traffic.

My '97 6cyl. Explorer with auto never wants to downshift. It is a pain getting any power out of this thing once I get over 45mph. My last truck was a '99 4cyl Mazda 5spd. At least with that I could just drop a gear and go.

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G5_Todd

depends......i couldnt drive a sports car thats auto....

4x4 i could got either way......but manual sucks in bumper to bumper traffic gets annoying....


but just out on a sunday drive i enjoy manual

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Liquor Dealer

Try the new Chrysler Auto-stick - It's close to the best of both worlds- It is a whole lot like the old B&M competition hydro-stick - you can do just about anything you want to do with it (except blow it up by forgetting to shift at the right point).

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i think you need bolth you need your cruisin car and your concreat melting hot rod

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ghezzo

Back in the muscle car days n such manuals were definetly better, but some of these new advanced automatics they are comin out with are insane, its almost personal preference now

Tiger69z

I dunno

I drive a 2002 mustang, tho that is not top of the line automatic, i have to say that there's a difference in between stick and automatic

When u hop around in a stick, it's much more fun. I mean nothing's more fun than slamming that stick in to third gear and putting ur skillz in driving () to good use.

Seriously though, in my view, stick is good for daily driver (especially in stop n' go traffic), but whenever you want that speedy feel while you drive, go for a manual.

BooRadley

Stick is funner... but if you are buying a new car... definitely automatic.

Reasons:
Pro-Auto
-Automatic has more resale value ( hardly anyone can drive a stick anymore, go look at the kbb if you don't believe me )
-Easier for excessive stop and go driving, like where I live ( a large urban area)
-You can do other things while driving ( this will get me flamed, but the easiness of driving an automatic is obnoxious compared to manual )
-You can't kill your car on accident and embarass yourself to your passengers ( I know many experienced manual drivers that have done this simply because they were talking to passengers)
-The car is much more predictable and you can adjust easier to unusual situations ( such as excessive rain/snow/ice )
-If you are bracket racing, much more consistant ETs
-You don't have to have as much concentration, so can drive ( theoretically) safer while tired
-No clutches and torque converters often last way longer than clutches if taken care of

Pro-Manual:
Performance- Better control fo engine revs for max performance
Better fuel economy- By probably 10% on most modern cars. On old cars, the difference is dramatic.
Concentration- Helps you concentrate you on driving unless you want to look like a jackass or be unsafe
Novelty-Driving a manual is fun to a certain extent. Except sitting in traffic. And it might impress a female or two.
Cost- Cheaper. But not really so much anymore. Especially noticeable in used car market.
Maintenance- You should never have to change a manual transmissions fluid, but you should change an autos fluid every 100k or so.

EDIT: Whomever says manual is better in traffic needs to drive an auto more. You don't have to hold down two pedals, but only one in stop and go conditions(unless you make 300 shifts into neutral, which is unlikely). That is absolutely silly saying manual is easier to drive in stop and go conditions, when all you have to do is release the brake for automatics and never have to shift or clutch. For persons of my size (6'4") that means a world of difference in comfort as no car fits me comfortably to begin with. Call me lazy, but I'll leave the sticks to 'fun' cars ( I'm looking for a triumph spitfire )

telekinetic2

See, now, I think manual makes people pay MORE attention to the road...cuz if they've got an automatic, they've got a 'free hand'...and that free hand might have a cell phone, which distracts FAR MORE than having to up and downshift.

sTghezzo

i dont know about that. if i was tired and driving an auto, id probably be more likely to drive off the road in an auto than i would in a manual, manual you have to pay more attention,
of course you mentioned that in your manual points so, i dunno. your points kinda confuse me

Sunrise

Manual - fun to drive. cars with manual transmission are cheaper than auto. better efficiency.

BooRadley

With manual you have overall more focus on the road, I'll agree. But there is situations where I've been so fucking tired I've tried to take off in park. Dangerous? Yeah. But sometimes you do what you've gotta do.

Josh Lyman

driving through rush hour traffic with a stick....suck. if you live out in the country or somewhere where you can have a little fun, it's the way to go, though

Cynthetiq

MINI cooper automatic tiptronic has 6 gears, as do the BMWs.

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Jam

if you have to drive for any length of time or on a regular basis... automatic is boring... manual is just a bit more fun, its not hard either, shifting an automatic in a car is so easy, try a truck then complain a bout a car ( a real truck, nto a pickup)

BooRadley

Just because you are masochistic doesn't mean everyone wants to be.
1. Yes.
2. Not compared with modern automatics, and more importantly, CVTs.
3. No arguement.
4. Manual can save your ass with a slow car.
5. Costs more to fix when breaks? Auto transmissions are pretty cheap as they are all over the place.
6. In europe, gas is >$4 US a gallon at cheapest. How much do you think that the extra 6 MPG of a manual influences them? A LOT. Plus, they have shittier roads with steeper grades and need a manual to get their slow-ass cars up the road. And by "slow ass cars" I mean Peugots, Renaults, Trabants, etc.all the retardedly small cars with motorcycle engines coupled to car transmissions. Yes, Americans are lazy because they don't have to result to shifting gears manually.

madsenj37

My point exactly, you named one company and a subsidiary company. Let me throw in another compnay as well, Mercedes. Now this does not mean that a lot of cars have the option of 6 speeds in an automatic. BMW and Mercedes are not anywhere near the numbers of japanese cars on the road.

Sticks are for enthusiasts, people who like to drive. Take the new Madza RX-8 for instance. The manual has 238 hp, 6 speeds and a 9000 redline while the automatic has 189 hp, 4 gears and 7500 redline.

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txlovely

Manual just because it's fun. You have to pay attention to your driving so you can shift appropriately. I have an automatic for the first time since I was 17 and although it's a great car, it would be much greater if it were a manual.

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Cynthetiq

I drove the Benz CVT in Munich. C220 CDI, not bad. lots of power for a diesel.

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tigerkick

manual are for the adventurers

RaDiAn

HEY what about Auto Stick , I use it to play around in with my car, get a bit of both worlds, well sorta.

Aro23

get a manual, should be fun to drive as you have control of the car. as for the prices of the gas today, it should benefit you as well. i think optioning with a manual will actually save you 500-1000 dollars from the start

blade02

It all depends on the car. Anything that I will be throwing into corners, MANUAL. Anything SMALL (compact cars, trucks etc, because the little motors need all the help they can get). Anything medium to big and more focused on daily driver, or highway cruising (fullsize pick-ups, mini-vans, medium sized/large sedans.) AUTO. Oh and for consistency's sake, for a drag race only vehicle, AUTO.

Borla

Yup.

All the "manuals are faster" responses in here crack me up. Go to your local track sometime and look at the fastest cars going down the strip.........there will be 7+ autos for ever 2 manuals among the REALLY fast cars. The most consistent/best bracket racers are always autos.

If you have a car that is low on horsepower, you might be able to milk the most out of it on the street using a manual IF you know how to drive, but the best/fastest cars in a straight line are autos.

A manual can be more fun. An auto is more consistent. If you ever want a fun ride, try a high-powered auto with a high-stall torque convertor.

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Gilda

Auto, because I can't drive an munual. Don't posess the physical coordination necessary. Though I can see how, for those who've mastered it, a manual might give more control, for me it would definitely be less safe with less control because it would give me an extra five or six things to do behind the wheel. More mind on what to do with the pedals and gear shift means less attention paid to the road, which means less control, which means not as safe.

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Jackebear

I love manuals but being stuck in traffic sucks. I am in traffic about 3+ hours Monday to Friday and I am finally changing cars. Looking at a 2004 VW Passat with the Triptronic shifter. Auto during the week and shifter on weekends. The best of both worlds.

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Gnzo

tigerkick, I can't believe you resurrected this thread...2 and a half years later!

insaneone

manual all the way, baby. i have a little convertable sports car, and i have finally found the twisty roads that make me grin from ear to ear. i wouldn't have near the blast if it was an auto.

Anxst

It's all about those neat new cars that let you choose either one. Especially since you need to be driving an automatic to be able to drive and still shoot out the window.

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