I hate Hummers. How about you?
 

Hummers are grossly exaggerated examples of why the U.S. auto market should be going to hell in a handbasket. They serve absolutely no purpose, they aren't even good at off-roading, and they are the most deserving of the "compensating for something" tag of any over-priced toy out there.

Why do I hate them so?
They guzzle gas. They're ugly. They're obnoxiously, unnecessarily large. They're usually owned by idiot surburbanites who can't drive regular cars, let alone those that are too big for the streets they're on. They epitomize every bad stereotype about Americans that exists.
Thoughts? Any redeeming qualities? I warn you - you won't convince me. But I might lose a bit of respect for you if you own/like/would like to own one.

Some support sites for those with the Hummer Rage(tm):
The Best Site Ever: http://www.fuh2.com/
http://ihatehummers.textamerica.com/
http://supersaps.blogspot.com/2005/0...e-hummers.html

I never really caught onto the Hummer. I thought they were pretty decent as a military vehicle, but when produced commercially, well, they were derivative of the LM002, my sweetheart car:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1.../HLA12048b.jpg

I liked this baby when I first saw it at the Toronto Autoshow, especially since it looked like it would take a lane & a half !!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_LM002

I hate Hummers, yes I do. I hate Hummers, how 'bout you?

They are physical representations of excess, like little, portable Costcos driving all the lazy, impulsive, stereotypical people (as JustJess said) into a bleak future. Ten miles per galon is so far past stupid, that I must use a new word for it: Bush. It's Bush to drive a Hummer.

If it were up to me, no car would exist that got less than 35 mpg, AND every manufacturer would be required to have half their lineup as hyrid vehicles, AND also have an active program to develop and alternate energy vehicle. Why isn't it up to me? Well, those things aren't cost effective for the oil companies, and also conservatives just naturally don't like listening to me.

Sorry... I thought this was tilted sexuality...

nevermind.

:lol: :lol: :thumbsup:

What I like about hummers is that you get the choice to like or not like them and most importantly you get the choice to purchase or not purchase one.

In other countries you don't get such a choice. You have mandates that control the market and cannot get certain vehicles no matter how hard one tries. In India you don't have a choice but to buy Indian manufactured vehicles, even if it's Japanese is still has to be assembled in India.

In Singapore they tax at approx. 125% Sale value when I was living there in 1988. They also taxed based on engine size for yearly costs. It was VERY expensive to own even an inexpensive Toyota Corolla.

Iceland is very expensive for petrol, yet a good number of people drive SuperJeeps, vehicles that make a Hummer look like a small vehicle. Iceland also heavily taxes their vehicles and petrol.

But again, people have the freedom to do what they want with their money.

Sooooo... what you're saying is that you like living in the U.S. Fair enough, I do too.

I still hate Hummers, H2s, and anything else along those lines. They're still useless, wasteful, awful cars.

The H1 is great but the H2 and 3 are just ugly as hell.

Actually, I said nothing in the above post about living in the US. I stated that I like having choices. Many other countries have choices as well, you just have to pay much more for them.

Why is the H1 "great"? Can you give us a little more info than that? You are, after all, posting in avowed rant on hating Hummers in general - hit us with something substantive! :)

Right, which would imply that you prefer living in the U.S., where such choices are less expensive. Not that this has anything to do with the OP or anything. ;)

Either way, how is this not threadjacking?

The thread was about Hummers in specific - about how they are as cars - and you turned it into "we should be happy that we have the choice to like/dislike/purchase/not purchase a Hummer."

I didn't see it as a threadjack, my statement was what I liked about Hummers. Pick up any magazine like MotorTrend, Automobile, Car&Driver and about what new models are available to the American Market, and you'll see hundreds of vehicles. When I travel overseas, I stop by newsstands to look at what the local magazines are and usually flip through automotive magazines. I'm usually quite surprised by alot of what I see, based on vehicle and engine size availability.

It is a simple fact that I like the fact that they exist because they give choices to other people who choose to purchase them for whatever reasons they want. The OP stated to state why I like them, specifically what redeeming qualities they had. That is my reason for liking them. I don't have to like them for space, size, status symbol. I like them because they show that a market will bear whatever it bears, whether I like it or not, however stupid I may think about people who are purchasing them.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I don't see anything in your response that's specific to the HUMMER. Your statement is more about what you like about any car that meets that criteria, not a Hummer itself.

Will, I like the way you think. I'd vote for ya!


Willravel in 08, yes!

As to hummers they are cool as a novelty but for all practical matters I think they are a waste of resources and fuel!

If I could afford a hummer I'd buy something more reasonable and feed a small nation on the cost difference and gas savings.

Agreed, but again, I feel that way SPECIFICALLY about the Hummer. I don't feel that way about any other vehicle like a Maybach, Bentley, Lamborghini, Ferarri or even a Cadillac Escalade/Chevy Tahoe (which the H2 platform is based.) Other vehicles may be expensive and get poor fuel economy but none round out in the same manner to me as a Hummer.

It specifically warms me when I am in a foreign country knowing that taxes on vehicles and petrol are high, and I see someone driving a Hummer. I've seen them in a number of the countries I've visited in the past few years. Just like the "What does my girlfriend say about me" thread, a vehicle says plenty about a person, and again, that's why I like Hummers. You guys see it as wasting resources etc. I see it as asshole alert badges.

Now, THAT makes sense. As I said in the OP, I tend to automatically lose respect for anyone lovin' on Hummers. Yech.

YES! I've clinched the brewmaniac vote!!! Victory is mine!

soo..... it's bad to use more oil? I gather that's the argument. But isn't the oil industry and it's uses what keeps the economy going? I may be being facile here, but what are the options to continue with our standard of living, or should we step down a bit?

Are you trying to say that our economic success depends on the obscene amount of wasted natural resources used by hummers?

Given the way our current economic system is structured and the way in which we calculate GDP... the answer is yes.

More waste = a stronger GDP.

If you ride a bicycle to work you are not doing your bit to give your nation a stronger GDP.


(clearly things need to change).

Gotta put in another vote for hating hummers. I'm not such an environmentally-influenced hater (after all I'm a wrx driver), I hate them because they are ugly and have little off-road ability. Why would someone spend that much money on something that:

1) Is slow as hell
2) Is going to get stuck off-road
3) Is made by GM

If someone wants to spend that much money and waste that much gas, get a sports car or a REAL off-road capable vehicle.

I respect the freedom that people have to buy hummers, but those owners should know that 80% of the rest of the drivers on the road will just assume they're a-holes

That's overly simplified. GDP is only one measure of the economy and can be misleading.


I hate hummers.

...and yet we continue to use it as tool. Our way of measuring the health of an economy needs to change, that's what I ment be we need a change.

I'm with you JustJess. I HATE Hummers, huge lifted trucks, big SUVs, vans, etc etc. There really is no purpose, unless you work out in muddy fields (trucks) or have a large family (vans). Blah.

Hummers = STUPID.

Hummer H1s and the military spec Humvees are very useful vehicles. H2's on the other hand aren't very useful for anything other than moving around lots of people on paved roads. They arent any worse than Escalades, Suburbans, Tahoes, Expeditions, or any other large SUV. So unless you haul your kids around in a minivan or station wagon, you dont have much room to talk about the H2, and the H3 will be even smaller and more practical.

As far as making a MPG requirement, etc. It should be left to me to decide how much money Im willing to spend on gasoline for my car. Thats the point behind a free market. Its my hard earned money, and I should be able to use it to fuel a V-8 powered muscle car if I freaking want to. If we manage to run out of gasoline, or if gas prices rise too high, then I'll be willing to spend my money on something that doesnt run off gas. Its not like the earth will implode if we use all of the gas, we'll just have to switch to something different. I've never quite understood all of the panic and silliness.

Trying? No. I AM saying this.

It's a huuuuuuge part if not the ONLY part of our economic success.

As Charlatan pointed out, things clearly have to change. I just question how? And which is the better way? gradual evolutionary change or abrupt revolutionary change?

If the first world decides to rescind its use of an oil based economy, we will rapidly be subjugated (economically) by the second/third world countries who are no so idealistic.

oh, and no I don't like Hummers. For me it's economic. I cannot, nor do I think it is intelligent to spend on such a vehicle.

Maybe you should drive a car that runs on the blood of Iraqi civilians, or the health of our posterity. It'll be up to you, and damn the consequences. After all, why would the car and oil companies want to sell you something that causes wars or destroys the environment? It's not like they value ridiculous profit over reasonable responsibility, safety and security.

You act like "switching to something different" is like switching from regular to nonfat milk. It's really, really, really, really not that simple. It is, in fact, incredibly difficult, espically because of those jackass oil and car companies you seem to enjoy so much. When they finally lay off, it will be too late. The the H2 will be nothing but a really, really, realy, really big paperweight.

It doesn't have to be, though. That's why we need to take alternative fuels a whole lot more seriously than we currently do. Our dependence on oil is a huge liability in every possible sense of the word. The fact that hummers exist is just an example of how little we are aware of how big an issue this could end up being.

Western culture and its position of liberty over equality, with special status for individual rights over that of the collective is where the break is occurring.

The Hummer is just a grander expression of this "me first" ideology. It doesn't stop there, it permeates the culture. In the case of the US is has been taken to extremes and is ultimately America's greatest strength as well as its greatest weakness.

Just to add a small point, the H2s are actually quite capable of offroading.
Their approach and departure angles are quite good for moving amongst rocky terrain, and if you lift em, it'll be even better. It's just the fact that nobody actually offroads with them.
Besides, you could get a Jeep for half the price and outperform it offroading in just about every category.
But for the record, I don't like Hummers either.

I think they sell because they represent "american" sort of like harleys.

both are poorly assembled, poor performing, excessively bulky, get poor fuel economy...but people buy it for the "image".

I shop to get the most bang for my buck. owning a sport bike and an economy car leaves me giggling like a school girl when gas prices go up.

but I do think its funny that hummer owners complain about fuel economy. it just goes to show how ignorant car buyers really are.
as a side note: I dont know why the H2 doesnt come with a duramax for that price.

my old man's chevy 2500 HD crew cab long bed gets better fuel economy than that....towing a 20,000 lb gooseneck trailer!

I don't care how much money you feel like spending - then go burn it in a huge pile in your fireplace, if that's what you want to do. But your choice to waste a whole lot of fuel DOES affect me, and everyone else. It means you're burning through the supply we have even faster, and sending yet more pollution into the air, and you're still in a really huge car in the way and 9 out of 10 times, you're acting like an asshole (that's the general you, not YOU you).

As for SUVs, trucks, etc: I think 8 out of 10 people (and we all know how reliable my decided stats are! :lol: ) who own them in MY area (being NYC, Queens, all very urban) are just dicks who want to have huge cars and drive like, well, dicks. They're unnecessary and annoying to the rest of us, and wasteful as hell. Their business? Sure, until they are parking poorly, taking up more than their fair share of space, driving like idiots, etc. So no, they're not any better than Hummers. Hummers are just the most extreme example of the assholes I'm talking about.

I'm not complaining about necessary usage, I'm complaining about ego usage. If you have that much of a complex, buy a sports car and get the hell out of my way.

I'd rather it be me and my friends that use the gasoline driving cars that we enjoy. Than it be foriegn countries using the fossil fuels to power industries with almost zilch for emissions controls and a sole purpose of supplying stores like Wal-Mart with cheap crap. If people really and truely cared about the enviroment and blue collar workers, etc. They wouldnt bother with SUVs that pollute less than "economy" cars did back in the 80s. Instead they'd bother with making sure the US (or any country you call home) is only trading with countries that has emission AND worker standards that are atleast on par with ours. Not that the US's are the best, but Im willing to wager that our factories are a whole lot greener than some of the less technologically advanced countries we trade with. Until we do that, passing stricter enviromental policies simply gives more companies incentive to build factories outside of the country.

As far as switching fuels, etc. It will happen when it becomes economically sound to do it. When gas prices jump up and stay there for a year or so, there will be lots of money to be gained by finally switching over. But it will be very expensive to switch from the current infrastructure of pipe lines and depots, etc. Which is why I dont expect a sudden change. I expect something gradual, like hybrids slowly gaining popularity, a handful hydrogen cars being bought by city and state organizations, etc. Something awfully similiar to what is happening right now. But if you're really worried about running out of oil, you're more than welcome to go buy some and stock pile it for future use.

I love the LM, what a gorgeous piece of kit that is.

As for the Hummer, I like the original, I hate the H2 with a passion, and I want to slap anyone who purchases an H3, so I guess I hate the majority of them, aside from the original.

I can only assume your car is electric or at the very least a compact hybrid, for anything bigger is a waste of gas in which you would join group of dicks that you despise. Granted this thread really isn't about hummers but instead your hate for people who can have excess without even blinking an eye but not even freedom is free. Having to live with the decisions people make, whether you like them or not, is the cost of having freedom. Deal with it! If you really wanna gripe I think being concerned that north korea is playing with nukes is more a concern than your neighbors driving big SUV's.

The original Hummer H1 is a great utility vehicle. Why you may ask, just ask any military officer who has used/been in one. Now the H2 and the H3 are crap because they are nothing like the H1, they are just dumbed down fancy large SUV's like the escalade because the general public doesn't need nor can they afford military grade hardware.

Last thought, you have to keep in mind although not everyone needs a large vehicle some people actually do. Your not gonna fit a family of 6 in a toyota prius, nor would you trailer a 24' boat with it. Now granted when they don't need the use of a larger vehicle they could drive a smaller one but not everyone can afford or keep an extra vehicle.

Okay - while I am serious in that I feel the average person who lives in QUEENS does not need a Hummer, that no one does due to the uselessness of them, the wastefulness of them, you're taking me a bit too seriously. Some SUVs are used well, and certainly a lot of trucks are. But not so much in QUEENS which was in my post that you quoted.

I'm sure the H1 was great - IN THE MILITARY. I am all for freedom, and doing what we want as long as we don't hurt others, but I feel that buying something that gets 10 mpg is just a ridiculous sign of asshole qualities I do not wish to associate with. I feel that people should have some semblance of social responsibility. In my head, I wouldn't buy an H2 etc. for the same reasons I wouldn't buy products made by sweatshops in China, and for the same reasons I wouldn't drive drunk (it's not just my life, it's my life affecting others around me).

My car is a Subaru Outback wagon - more space, since we haul a lot of stuff for ourselves, our family, and our neighbors, but still gets 27 mpg. Not my ideal, by any stretch, but certainly not in the 10mpg class of vehicle. And we usually use public transportation 9 days out of 10 anyway. So no, I don't consider myself a hypocrite.

Actually, if everyone on earth completely and totally ran out of crude oil tommorow, the entire world would grind to a halt. Everything anywhere that ever does anything depends on oil, either for production, packaging, supply lines, getting the workers to the factory, electricity for the plant, powering the pumps for the water, harvesting food, hell, even printing the money that workers are paid with. It'd be like all the Phillip Dick stories all came true at once.

That being said, I agree that H2's and H3's are giant "I'm an asshole" badges. That is my opnion.

I've heard that the hummer's is just the only difference from an otherwise explorer type chasy making it hardly decent for any sort of offroading. Who knows?
I do not like many SUV's in general. I drive a VW bug, I like to believe I'm being more environmentally sound than those soccer moms driving their massive suburbans, however every car has its drawbacks for the environment....might as well pick your poisen.
This topic brings to mind the movie "Be Cool" which was the sequal to "Get Shorty" the movie was awful however it did talk about how awful the mileage was for hummers, something like 9 a gallon? Jeez. I get around 35 highway with mine, I love my car to pieces however it has this awful tendency to get hit in the bumper...
I believe the government should put a ban on the number of SUV type vehicles produced every certain number of years and then see where the gas-prices fall and see how much we save.
Who knows, everything is so controversial.

You'd think that enviromentalist would be happy with that.. No oil... no more pollution. Atleast thats the feeling I get from some of the truely crazy whackjobs that think the earth would be better off with only a few select members of the "enviromentally conscious" living on it.

Oh and things like electricity SHOULD already be completely swapped over from fossil fuels. We have nice options like Nuclear power plants, Hydro electric, etc. But guess who doesn't want us to use those? The same people that dont want us using fossil fuels! So until they come up with something better. I say screw em.

As far as how much the government should be involved: If something is in the nation's best interest, like swapping from oil to alternative fuels for cars, then the burden should be on the government to fund and follow through with the research. We have a great economy based off of free markets, where the ONLY reason you'd ever go into business is to make a PROFIT. When you are a big corperation its not your goal to provide jobs to people, or to save humanity. Your only goal is to make money. The less government is involved in the economy, the better the economy can conform to meet the demands of the people. So dont blame oil companies for finding a wonderful/ ingenious way of making money. Infact, when it does come time for the switch from oil to other fuels, Im banking on the big oil corperations to do all sorts of research and be the ones that provide a solution. If they let someone else come up with the solution, they all lose. So its in their best financial interests to eventually be the ones to become "energy providers" instead of oil companies.

Boils down to you can't please everyone so you might as well please yourself. If you can afford a hummer and the gas and still want it despite the single digit gas mileage then go for it, it really isn't my place to try to stop you. Of course I can talk shit about you if I'm that type of angry person which I would be if I was an environmental gas hating earth lover.

Socially responsible is just another way to say slave since a socially responsible person aims to please others (the master).

well if I could have a hummer like this and toast the little run-a-bout that's holding up all the traffic... then I don't think I'd mind being branded an asshole. Of course this is an Orignal HumVee, not one of those bastardized H2/H3 things.

http://www.grouchymedia.com/other_vi..._on_demand.cfm

Why? Because my tastes are different than yours?

I see no problem with people driving Hummers. In fact, I'm a huge fan of the H1. The original military style. I don't like the looks of the H2 and especially H3, but if they can afford it and can afford the gas tab, more power to them.

The only thing I hate about Hummers is that they're severely underpowered.

There is a Hummer in Anchorage that looks better than most. Black with flames. Nice looking rig. His music is too loud though.

I have seen Hummers out on the 4 wheel trails and they did fine. They crossed 3 feet deep rivers and deep mud.

I personally lose all respect for anyone that drives a Dodge Neon. That market solely caters to poor fucking morons with no credit or driving skills. I think they all upgraded from K-cars.

LOL...this quote alone is enough reason to not even TRY to respond...

Personally, I don't care much for the H2 or H3. The H1 was quite the formidable truck, for those who actually have a use for them, as you stated I believe in post 37. I have 2 vehicles, a minivan for the family, and my Jeep for fun. The jeep is lifted, and has the obnoxiously big tires, getting about 15 MPG. However as I said, it is for fun, and doesn't see much road time.

So for someone who has the aformentioned Hummers, if they have a purpose for them, and use them as designed, then I say let them. Although I do agree that they waste a lot more fuel.


I hope that in saying this, allong with your other concerns for "hurting others" that you don't smoke? :D

Not that it has ANYTHING to do with ANYTHING, but no, I don't. I just don't like the smell. And if I did, I would be considerate of others. Just as I expect these idiotic H2 owners to be... except that 9 times out of 10, they're not. And yeah, there are so many here that I can use stats with numbers that high!

Useless punks.

I agree that my question didn't have anything to do with the OP, however I was responding directly to the quote that you had made. Off the general subject? Yes. not having anything to do with anything? wrong, had to do with what you had said, directly in the quote mentioned.

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The Hummer, as originally designed is an excelent military tool. That was the original idea. Now, many people want to be a part of our military w/o actually joining. And it's all about image. Why else would any rational thinking person own one in SoFL?

I like Hummers. I like the size the styling and if you know how to drive you can do some pretty interesting stuff with them both on and off road. I will say they are a bit too wide for the off road driving I do in my Jeep cj5. It btw is lifted with big tires locked differentials front and rear gets about 5mpg pollutes like nobody's business and was my daily driver for 2 years putting 60 miles on the odometer every day. And that dose not include all the environmental destruction I wreaked in it driving it off road.
Any how, I will say most owners / drivers don't need HMMV's nor do they use them to there best potential. They do however get better gas mileage then my jeep and pollute far less. In all of there models.
I'm a car guy. I own allot and do allot of senseless and useless driving. Get this, during the summer I drive a little 4cylinder car around in circles on a clay race track with allot of other cars. As part of the rules we are required to remove the catalytic converters. Pretty cool huh?
My point is though. People will drive what is available and what they want to drive. they do however have to want to drive it. I would be perfectly willing and happy to drive an alternatively powered car if it were affordable and convenient. right now the only autos that fit into that category for me are powered by petrol.
As for wasting petrol, what makes it wasting? If I buy it I can do whatever I want to with it. What makes it yours or anyone else's any more then mine? if you want to keep people from wasting your petrol then go buy more so no one else can. The taxes I pay by buying a car and the fuel to operate it are allot of what builds and maintain the roads in this country. If I buy more fuel then you shouldn't I get a lane of travel a bit wider then yours? of course not but you do get a better road because I am providing 5 times as much tax dollars to the fund. So by that thought If I want do drive a really big gas hog and take up what you think is too much space shouldn't I think I am entitled to that?
In conclusion, I like hummers. I don't mind bad fuel economy. I am not opposed to alternative fuels but I cant afford to purchase a brand new car just to make someone else happy. If I were given one for free, I'd drive the hell out of it but for now, I'll stick with my older petrol powered cars and trucks. Of witch I own 9 right now, the oldest is a 1959 Buick and the newest is a 1991 exploder

The original Hummer was great, but the new Hummer is an abominable, morbidly ugly waste.

I always wondered if anyone has done the math on this:

How many gallons of fuel does a band/sports team use to get from origin to destination? How much pollution does it create compared to a months extra fuel usage of all the hummers in the US? Is it OK to demean a persons legal choice of ride because of "excessive fuel use/pollution" when a single concert/game may use more fuel on takeoff than their choice uses in a year? Will some bored intelligent person please explain this with real numbers?

Lets assume:
49ers and Dolphins. Air travel to and from.
VS
20,000 Hummers traveling 12,000 miles per year @ 10 MPG over the average 20MPG commuter.

How many football games does it take to equal the ADDITIONAL fuel used by the hummers?

how much fossil fuel did it take to generate the electricy to run your computer so that you could bring us this? maybe you are joking, but this does not seemto make much sense to me...

For five days last summer I drove an H2. A terribly ugly "SUT" with the tiny little truck box. It was indeed terribly ugly. It vibrated at about 110km on the highway, but that was a function of the tires more than anything else.

I loved every minute of it.

I was a foreman for a heavy earthworks company; a dirty, offroading required trade. I had previously killed my chevy 1/2 tonne when I managed to shear the transfer case. There were several days before the new F-150 fleet came in, and I needed to be on-site for all of those days. The owner of the company picked me up at my dead truck and took me to a rental location, and the only trucks/suvs they had were the H2 SUT and a Lincoln.

The H2 performed wonderfully. While I've never driven a suped-up jeep, I've spent many hours on sites with my truck in 4x4. At the bottom end, on rough terrain, the H2 was much better (more capable, smoother, etc) than pickups from ford, gmc/chevy, nissan, and debatably toyota. It was a little weak getting up to highway speed, but I only needed to do that twice a day or so.

Driving around site (offroad) and to work (city/highway) I managed about 12 mpg, from this '04 H2. The '03 1500 managed about 17, the '06 F150 came in about 14. All terrible, but the H2 wasn't that much worse than the pickup.

For 4-6 months out the year, I work one of the few jobs in the world that legitimately needs a 4x4 vehicle. I don't know how well it would perform trying to climb over boulders, but I took it through sandpits, across broken ground, ontop of topsoil and gravel stockpiles, up and down 25+ degree slopes and approaces, across slick wet greasy clay. In all cases, it performed better than pickups I've driven. Lots of people say that 'it is a terrible off road vehicle', but I really don't think it is.

I also needed to attend a bid opening one afternoon, and rather enjoyed cruising up in my H2; although I think I like parking muddy pickups beside cadilacs/bmws that often attend, there is something to be said about pulling up in a semi-luxury vehcile.

The bottom line is that I don't hate Hummers. Perhaps they are overpriced, but they deserve more credit than they are given. I wouldn't pay to drive one. However, most people/businesses could get by with a smart car/insight/prius/other hybrid. Hating the hummer while driving something with less than 30mpg, that is wider/longer than a civic is a "case of the pot hating the kettle".

Incidently, my wife and I share a civic and a jetta tdi.

I hate the H2 and H3, but I've ALWAYS loved the H1. I've wanted one from the moment I laid eyes on that sexy thing, unfortunately I doubt I'll ever get one. I'm happy with my Corolla anyways. :lol:

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hmmm.... i dunno, don't seem all that safe as people would think...driver's cage is completely crumpled and no space for the person at all.
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I personaly hate the H2 and H3 they take all the bad stuff of the orignal hummer and dont have any of the good stuff.

However... i love the orginal hummers just because of what they are. Pure functional no fluff everything has a purpose. They are very good offroad right down to being able to drive along the bottom of a pond if they have to just as long as the air intake/exhaust is above water and thats one of the highest things on the truck. basicly you would have trouble beathing before your truck did. I like that. The orginal hummer is very safe just because of its size and frame design. almost impossable to roll over and its stronger then everything but semis and busses on the road. They have tons of room inside and they are very orginal looking. None of that rounded bubble look that almost everything on the road has now. They have a ton of ground clearance so they wont get high centered over much of anything that you would run into in normal offroading. Sure they dont have alot of power and they arnt very fast but... it can go 75mph and thats as fast as anyone should really go anyway even on the highway. and its not ment to be a sports car so it dosnt need that much power. Basicly I like it because its exactly what its supposed to be. Kinda like the orginal jeeps butt ugly but very functional. I like it for how pure it is.

The H2 and H3 are just yuppie junk.

My dream vehicle would be a H1 that was converted into a hybred so it could be Good on gas without lacking the power that it needs to move.

Hey where's the rest of that silly Hummer? It didn't go UNDER the school bus did it?

I hate 'em too, though the "real" Hummer (big ugly "H1" type) is fairly decent off road.. and least on the trails it could fit. But that's a moot point since nobody paying that much would likely leave the pavement.
The H2 and H3 are just the stupidest things ever invented. All the ugliness without any redeeming virtues. They are no better off road than the soccer mom SUV's they are based on.

If somebody really wanted to go off road they could buy a whole warehouse full of old Jeeps, Land cruisers, early Broncos and Scouts for that money.

That's the point - the H1 wasn't purchased by much of anyone other than people using it for off-roading and rugged terrain. That makes sense. But these yuppies (exactly the people I'm complaining about!!) in their H2s and H3s need slapping. They're wasteful for no purpose other than vanity. Even sports cars at least look nice and get better mileage than that.

And why do I care if they're wasting gas? Many keep pointing out that they're buying the gas, so they should use it as they wish and it doesn't affect me. Uhhhh.... ever hear of supply and demand? Using more gas than necessary drives up the demand which drives up my prices. And I won't even try to discuss the idea of gas conservation/lack of supply issues here.

It's not just about the waste of gas, people. It's the type of personality you typically find at the wheel of an H2/H3. It's the utter ridiculousness of driving something that huge in QUEENS, not the mountains, and driving it poorly and rudely. It's the idea that our society likes bigger/more flashy as values and it makes me roll my eyes and wish for a rock to throw. It's that image matters more than practicality and the image they're choosing sucks IN MY OPINION. I'm allowed to think Hummers suck just as much as y'all are allowed to think they're cool.

And I think Hummers suck. Yep. That's my well-reasoned, well-thought-out argument. Grand, ain't it? :D