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Nirvana 05-10-2006 07:28 PM

no problem Willravel. i recently got into fashion. I love to look at fashion shows, especially D&G and recreate similar pieces (of course much cheaper). tell me some of your favorite brands. Describe your style if you can as well. and I was wondering, how are those Nudie jeans working out for you?

Willravel 05-10-2006 07:44 PM

They were really stiff for a month or so. Now they fit like a leather jacket. I can see now that a lot of what makes clothes fit you is wearing them in. While going out to American Eagle or Abercrombie and buying ripped, fadded, and softened up jeans is nice, it's still very artificial. The best way to get worn in jeans is to wear them out yourself. I did everything from yoga to yardwork to 16 hour drives in my jeans and they are like a second skin. I should also mention that it's not uncomfortable to sit on my wallet in these jeans. They have worn thin where the wallet is and are thick around the wallet, forming a cushion. I've washed them maybe twice since I got them.

My favorite brand is old as sin. I've found that ebay (surprise) is a gem for finding old shirts and such (warning, dry clean everything you get before wearing it :hmm: ). I do wear stuff from Express, Club Monacco, Banana Republic, Hugo Boss, Armani (espically Armani Jeans), Diesel, Lacoste, G-Star, Stone Island, Hackett, and whatever I can afford at the time. I still wear a lot of American Eagle (the stuff is comfortable as heck), and I also wear Dolce from time to time.

My style? I call it 'still learning', because I like to think the way I dress changes (I don't want to use the word 'evolves' as it sounds too pretentious and self involved). I also wear hats.

Nirvana 05-10-2006 08:09 PM

i would say i am in the Club Monaco and BR range when it comes to affordability of clothes. i tend to frequent department stores looking for sales. i think a great pair of sunglasses can complete an outfit.

Ive wanted a pair of nudie jeans since ive first heard of them but right now i just cant afford them. im glad they are working out for you. i hope this thread doesnt die again because this is somehting that should stay active for a long time.

VirFighter 05-13-2006 01:05 PM

Great thread guys!

I'm a senior in college looking to build my fashion knowledge and find my own niche. I generally try to maintain a professional yet natural look for the most part. I'm about to make a big purchase though, my first Seersucker suit! I think it'll be great for summer! Not professional you say? I live in the South and seersucker is a great way to beat the heat and have a "local" look about yourself.

On that note though, I have a question. I'm not one to wear suits often but wish I could without looking out of place or ridiculous. I have one charcoal suit and I'm soon to have my seersucker. How often do the gentlemen here wear a suit? Only for work, only on nice dinners (like an anniversary)? I love watching old movies and the men are almost always dressed nicely in suits, ties, vests, etc.... what happened to those times?

Charlatan 05-13-2006 01:13 PM

I don't wear a suit all that often but... if you like wearing a suit don't be afraid to wear them all the time.

The key with any fashion is attitude. The moment you are confident about your clothes, whatever they may be, nobody will question your choices.

It is a good rule of thumb.

maleficent 05-13-2006 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by VirFighter
I'm a senior in college looking to build my fashion knowledge and find my own niche. I generally try to maintain a professional yet natural look for the most part. I'm about to make a big purchase though, my first Seersucker suit! I think it'll be great for summer! Not professional you say? I live in the South and seersucker is a great way to beat the heat and have a "local" look about yourself.?

They may be a southern thing.. I see them occassionally in NYC occassionally - and honestly they aren't my favorite look -- by the end of the day, they tend too look like you've slept in them -- wrinkled and wilted... not crisp and fresh... I much prefer the look of a tropical weight wool suit, it's generally good for three seasons, 4 down south, and just survives more than a single wearing

Make sure you've got a good dry cleaner will will keep your suit looking good, if you indeed get the seersucker.

Nirvana 05-14-2006 08:35 AM

hey i think you can wear suits as often as you want. just make sure you don't take "style" over comfort. but basically you can wear a suit whenever you want. remeber, depending how you wear the suit, it can become a casual or a formal outfit.

keyshawn 05-14-2006 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel
They were really stiff for a month or so. Now they fit like a leather jacket. I can see now that a lot of what makes clothes fit you is wearing them in. While going out to American Eagle or Abercrombie and buying ripped, fadded, and softened up jeans is nice, it's still very artificial. The best way to get worn in jeans is to wear them out yourself. I did everything from yoga to yardwork to 16 hour drives in my jeans and they are like a second skin. I should also mention that it's not uncomfortable to sit on my wallet in these jeans. They have worn thin where the wallet is and are thick around the wallet, forming a cushion. I've washed them maybe twice since I got them.

Am I misunderstanding you that you only washed them only twice after you have boughten them (and did yardwork and 16 hr drives in them ?!) and you still wore them dirty ? I guessing that I'm taking you too literal on this tip :lol:

As with the pre-faded/ripped clothing, I'd rather just buy them second-hand and without the rips/fades/etc. in there and wear them out so the rips/fades naturally come out.

Finally, what do you think about the fad of wearing the 'generic athletic center since 1898' shirts (trying to ressemble old P.E. shirts from the 50's) that are sold in places like old navy and american eagle ?
I personally like them, but I'd rather make custom ones that have my elementary high school's info on them.

regards,
keyshawn

Willravel 05-14-2006 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by keyshawn
Am I misunderstanding you that you only washed them only twice after you have boughten them (and did yardwork and 16 hr drives in them ?!) and you still wore them dirty ? I guessing that I'm taking you too literal on this tip :lol:

I washed them the day of the yardwork. I don't want to wear muddy jeans. They stay prety clean, otherwise. The 16 hour drive was in an air conditioned vehicle, which meant virtually no sweat. As time passes, you wash them more and more. Now that they are properly worn in, I'll probably wash them every few weeks or so (assuming I wear them once or twice in a two week period).

MSD 05-15-2006 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel
I washed them the day of the yardwork. I don't want to wear muddy jeans. They stay prety clean, otherwise. The 16 hour drive was in an air conditioned vehicle, which meant virtually no sweat. As time passes, you wash them more and more. Now that they are properly worn in, I'll probably wash them every few weeks or so (assuming I wear them once or twice in a two week period).

According to a 2001 (give or take a year, don't remember exactly) poll in GQ, the average man wears a pair of jeans 11 times before washing them.

edit: also, don't forget to check out my cologne thread for the perfect scent to go with your outfit :thumbsup:

Nirvana 05-15-2006 06:41 PM

generally, i don't think jeans get dirty that quickly. i woudl have to agree with that GQ poll, althought maybe not as much as 11. during the summer time sit would be more frequent. during the inter, probably less.

willravel, i was wondering if you had any true religion jeans. i saw them at the store recently and i thought they were terrible. the style, the fabric, and the wash was so bad, especially for that price tag.

Mondak 05-15-2006 07:04 PM

A Sport Coat?
 
Ok I'll bite. This whole business casual thing puts me in a tizzy at times. If you have seen pictures of me from around the board, I have a couple challenges when conducting business. One is that I am short (5'9" soaking wet) and the other is that I look like I am 19 (I am 32).

I regularly meet with senior executives when doing buisiness and so to combat this I try to dress very professionally. The thing is that a suit (paticularly in California) makes people sometimes uncomfortable. You see they have this whole business casual thing - even when I work with banks and insurance companies sometimes. Especially when I am in the IT or Opperations portion of a sales cycle. Suits I understand:

1. You get what you pay for
2. The guys who work in the mens section at Nordstrom know what they are doing

So I am not going to show up in jeans like some of the people I meet with, but the solid button down with dress pants has not been cutting it of late. I feel that the time is come for (must resist fist of death...) A Sportcoat (gasp)!!!

Ok now I always thought of these things as the elbow / shooting patches on a thick tweed jacket type of thing. I have seen some people pull these things off and it is a nice alternative to dress things up on a moments notice. For example, I was at a conference the other day in ARIZONA where it was like 150thousand degrees out during the day. Ties were clearly out, but I had a speaking engagement in which I could have slipped on the sportcoat and then went back to my button down (By the way - when did dress shirts start costing $150???) dress shirt and dress pants. Or transitioning from daytime to dinner as another example.

So does anyone have a sport coat primer for me? I don't want a navy sport coat with gold buttons either here. I don't want a staple that will last. I want to have something that might be out of fashion in a few years possibly, but for now it is very nice. What I am looking for:

1. What pants to wear with it (and how to choose). I have seen jeans but I will never do that. With a suit, they are exactly the same. With this? No idea.

2. How to choose a shirt. If I have a shirt with some stripes, how do I make sure it is not too much?

3. What is in? I am still tying an onion to my belt (since that was the style back then). What the heck am I looking for?

4. Shoes? Dress shoes I understand. In between (rubber soles are blasphemy but that could be its own response on this thread) I don't really have a grip on this.

5. Where to buy. While I have done well with Nordstrom, I am not married to them. If you are about to post that I go to a thrift shop and check out the racks for deals - you are responding to the wrong post.

6. Anything else that might be useful.

Thanks very much for reading all that and any help you have for me.

VirFighter 05-15-2006 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mondak
I don't want a navy sport coat with gold buttons either here. I don't want a staple that will last. I want to have something that might be out of fashion in a few years possibly, but for now it is very nice.

I'm by no means an expert, but it has been my experience thus far in men's clothing that certain things are a staple simply because they work and will always look good, especially in the business world. You really can't go wrong with a simple navy (I wouldn't go with gold buttons though) or black blazer and the versatility is second to none.

You could browse stores like Express or Banana Republic to see what they offer and that might give you a better idea of what is fashionable these days, but if you want to maintain a professional look I'm not sure how appropriate these would be (but then again I'm on the east coast).

You seem like you have a good amount of experience and have a good idea what looks good on you and what doesn't... use this knowledge! Go to your favorite store and just browse the racks, try on stuff and see what you like. Maybe try on different shirt and pant combos as well. If you want a little more guidance, the gentlemen at Joseph A Bank and The Men's Warehouse have always treated me right.

One last thing, on the pants, I think it depends on how formal or casual you want to look. Dress pants are good if its a night function or you want to look a little more formal. A good pair of dockers or other khakis work if its just a casual meeting for lunch or something or its on a weekend.

I hope this helps.

Willravel 05-15-2006 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Nirvana
willravel, i was wondering if you had any true religion jeans. i saw them at the store recently and i thought they were terrible. the style, the fabric, and the wash was so bad, especially for that price tag.

A lot of jeans out there are going to be expensive. Armani jeans are worth every penny IF YOU CAN AFFORD THEM. If you're a student, there is nothing wrong with AE jeans. There's no shame in wearing comfortable clothes that are well designed. I've not yet worn or even seen true religion jeans. From the look, they are so-so, espically for the price.
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Originally Posted by Mondak
I regularly meet with senior executives when doing buisiness and so to combat this I try to dress very professionally. The thing is that a suit (paticularly in California) makes people sometimes uncomfortable. You see they have this whole business casual thing - even when I work with banks and insurance companies sometimes. Especially when I am in the IT or Opperations portion of a sales cycle. Suits I understand:

1. You get what you pay for
2. The guys who work in the mens section at Nordstrom know what they are doing

Bingo. You DO get what you pay for in suits.
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Originally Posted by Mondak
So I am not going to show up in jeans like some of the people I meet with, but the solid button down with dress pants has not been cutting it of late. I feel that the time is come for (must resist fist of death...) A Sportcoat (gasp)!!!

Chinos are probably the answer to your problem. I wear them with tennis shoes and a t shirt or with dress shoes and a french cut dress shirt and a (gasp) blazer.
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Originally Posted by Mondak
So does anyone have a sport coat primer for me? I don't want a navy sport coat with gold buttons either here. I don't want a staple that will last. I want to have something that might be out of fashion in a few years possibly, but for now it is very nice. What I am looking for:

1. What pants to wear with it (and how to choose). I have seen jeans but I will never do that. With a suit, they are exactly the same. With this? No idea.

You sure you'd never do jeans with a sports coat? They really do work well. There are three general looks that you can use with the sports coat: casual, semicasual, and formal.

Casual - Jeans (even with rips or tears) or chinos with a print t-shirt, worn with sandals, tennis shoes, running shoes, casual shoes, or even dress shoes.
Semi casual - dark jeans only, not torn, or chinos with a dress shirt or turtle neck usually nicer shoes, not tennis shoes.
Formal - suit or tux with damn nice dress shoes
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Originally Posted by Mondak
2. How to choose a shirt. If I have a shirt with some stripes, how do I make sure it is not too much?

Too much? Look at yourself in the mirror and decide if it's something your wife/gf/crush/etc. would want to see you in. If necessary, ask someone.
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3. What is in? I am still tying an onion to my belt (since that was the style back then). What the heck am I looking for?

Onions are okay. I guess you can look in magazines and stuff if you're not sure.
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Originally Posted by Mondak
4. Shoes? Dress shoes I understand. In between (rubber soles are blasphemy but that could be its own response on this thread) I don't really have a grip on this.

See above in the #1 section.
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Originally Posted by Mondak
5. Where to buy. While I have done well with Nordstrom, I am not married to them. If you are about to post that I go to a thrift shop and check out the racks for deals - you are responding to the wrong post.

Thrift shops are for certian people and not for others. Cest la vie. Check post #102 I think it is. I name about a dozen places to get jeans, and they all have decent casual stuff, too.
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6. Anything else that might be useful.

Style can be deeply personal for people who put effort into it. At the end of the day it's up to you what you think looks and feels better on you. If all else fails, ask "What would Admiral William Adama do?"

jorgelito 05-16-2006 12:37 AM

Mondak,

Try the Men's Wearhouse - they give good service and the prices are reasonable. They have a good range of stuff (at least I think so). Give them a try, it's worth it. I spent 3 hours and almost $2000 getting outfitted there (I got a lot of stuff). It was worth it.

I got a nice sportcoat there. It was navy, but sleek; no "captain's buttons - the traditional ones). It's versatile - I can wear it in many combinations: with khaki's and white shirt for traditional; with a nice pair of jeans, nice shirt (untucked) and Kenneth Cole shoes for casual/night out; with dress pants and shirt still appropriate for business etc...

Also, hairstyling may help your look. I'm also 32, but I'm versatile: If I leave facial hair and carry myself a certain way, I can look "older, distinguished etc", especially with glasses. If I shave, change my clothes to a younger style, then I fit right in with the college crowd (I still get carded).

For shoes, try the Kenneth Cole line.

Shirts, maybe Calvin Kline?

I live in LA so I understand exactly what you mean. But, it also depends on your industry. If you're in entertainment, then casual is pretty wide. But in finance etc, then a more conservative look is the general rule even in LA.

Willravel's advice is sound, common sensical and prudent.

Hey, I'm learning too, heck we're all learning eh?

Oh, don't forget: there is a huge difference between jeans and nice jeans. I have a couple of regular jeans (for play, etc, and one or two nice jeans - something you pay $100-200 for (ridiculous I know, but I realized there was a difference), Think Diesel, Seven, Ebisu, etc. I think Will and someone had a jean post going on. So, nice jeans would go well with a nice blazer.

Good luck bro, let us know how it goes.

Mondak 05-16-2006 06:58 AM

Will
Thanks a lot for all the great responses. The more of this feedback I get, the better my results will be. It will take me a while to really get into this thing properly. The idea of a turtleneck or jeans will take some time and may never happen. The images I have in my mind are not good on those. Besides, a turtleneck + California = really fraking hot.

On the other hand, I think the sportscoat will be easier now - I will know it when I see it (and perhaps post a picture) but the pants might be tougher. Good stuff all around.

Jorgelito - Good stuff. In fact I recently changed my hairstyle and like it a lot. I have a great gal who does my hair and I have to say to anyone who still goes to Supercuts or the like: stop. Go somewhere where there are consistent results and professional haircutters. While there might be the occasional diamond in the rough, you won't get the same thing twice. Facial hair - can't do it. I mean literally. I went six months once and had nothing more than a few patches. It looked like crap. I wish I could grow a goatee or something. No dice.

Dress Shoes - I should write a guide for here. I actually meant - how to choose shoes that went with a sport coat and whatever pants we had.

Finally - your advice on jeans is pretty good. I would say that the same logic can be applied to Men's Warehouse vs. Nordstrom. There is a gigantic difference in the quality of the clothes. The twice yearly sale is actually quite a good deal. Go on a weekday afternoon / morning during the sale (take time off if you have to - it is worth it). You will get the full service Nordstrom is known for, but still get the great prices. Weekends during the sale are for the proletariat.

Nirvana 05-20-2006 08:26 AM

try looking for stores that sell thing for dicounts. things like Filene's basement do the trick. you can find designer denim, as well as designer fashion for cheap. u have to spend some time looking but u can find some great stuff.

Ample 06-02-2006 11:06 AM

I just got a 10% raise at work, and am 50lbs lighter than this time last year. So I went out today and slurged on some new threads. I just wanted to thank willtravel and the others who posted here on some tips on what to get. Sure, they are a lot more than was I would normally pay, but look a lot better on me.

Thanks again Will

Willravel 06-02-2006 11:32 AM

Hey, no problemo. I figure this whole forum is here to assist people in helping others and themselves. I'm glad I could help. :thumbsup:

cookmo 06-03-2006 02:45 PM

I'm a female, but I just have one tip for you all that my mother taught me...I f you find something you love whether it be shoes, jeans, shirts whatever, by two of it and if you can afford it by three or four. When something wares out, you can just, pull out your spare.

now I leave you men to your men talk

Willravel 06-03-2006 02:55 PM

Well, women are always welcome here (you're knowledge usually trumps ours, so having you guys pop in is bound to be über benificial). I'd never thought of getting more than one of any one thing. Now that I think about it, I really wish I had. I've lost some jeans that I'd kill to have a back up of. eXcellent advise!!!

rofgilead 06-03-2006 10:32 PM

The only thing that this thread really needs that it is lacking is some pictures! What are good shirt styles, good pants styles (in picture format).

I'm going to do some shopping tommorrow, I think. I really need some new shirts and maybe some nice socks. I'm looking for casual dress shirts for work.

Nirvana 06-04-2006 10:20 AM

hey i haven't poste din a while. if your a thing guy, i suggest go for slim fit clothes. things that are very well fitted will make u look better.

Check out diesel, earnest sewn, and paperdenim&cloth jeans. pd&c will song go down a lot in price so you might actually want to a wait a bit. these jeans come in some great fits and they are very flattering. my favorite is bootcut. i like a smaller flare at the bottom.

oh ye one of the most important things is that you do not buy baggy clothes. a few baggy pieces to lounge around in or whatever is fine, but overall it looks sloppy. clothes that are nicely fitted dont mean that you will be uncomfortable. in fact they feel better because there isnt all of this extra fabric flapping aorund. check out places like club monaco and even gap (sometimes you can find some great stuff there for real cheap, just dont buy anything with the gap logo on it)

Val_1 06-05-2006 03:07 PM

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...I suggest go for slim fit clothes. Things that are very well fitted will make u look better ....do not buy baggy clothes.

The baggy clothes trend, in style or not, has always driven me nuts. And Nirvana is right, it gives a sloveny appearence. I always wear slim, tighter fitting clothes and I do get compliments from people.

Although, it's sometimes hard for me to find nice fitting clothes. I have a 30" inch waist (29" actually fits a bit better, depending on the pants) and the last time I looked for jeans there wasn't a single pair of jeans in the entire store smaller than a 32" waist. Very frusterating.

Charlatan 06-05-2006 03:52 PM

Val... try a kids store. You might be surprised.

(man I haven't had a 29" waist since I was in High School).

madp 06-06-2006 08:40 PM

A few golden rules of fashion from a clothes horse (mostly having to do with "dressy" styles):

1. Pleated pants should be avoided at all costs, as are trousers with pegged legs (tapered from wide in the thigh region to narrow at the break). Flat front, straight legged pants are a timeless, classic, and elegant look.

2. Baggy and boxy button down shirts aren't flattering on ANYONE (this is the way most US designers make their dress shirts). Make sure your dress shirts (or any shirt with buttons) taper down at the waist so that when you tuck them in, there isn't that strange bulge of extra fabric hanging around your belly like a phantom spare tire.

3. Never buy any article of clothing that has a "Dockers" tag attached to it anywhere

4. Never EVER wear a tie with a short-sleeved shirt or cotton pants. If the situation is formal enough as to require a tie, it is formal enough to require wool slacks and a long sleeved shirt as well.

5. Unless you really know what you are doing, stick to basic black dress socks, shoes (without tassels), and belts (avoid brass-colored buckles; stick with silver/pewter).

6. Unless you are going for the "mod" look (i.e., the uber-thin ties), a quality tie should make a reasonbly big knot in a half-Windsor with a dimple in the part of the tie hangs from the knot. The tie should be long enough that the tip comes to the center or bottom of your belt buckle when tied. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it's impossible to get a decent tie for under $50 unless you get lucky and find one on sale somewhere. The median price range for a decent tie is about $70, so take care of them. Silk ties start to fall apart if you don't take care of them.

7. The best places to get current fashions at semi-reasonable prices in my experience are Nordstroms, Banana Republic, and Kenneth Cole (although each of these stores has its own unique fashion-disaster traps that you have to learn to avoid). Also, don't pay full price. Wait for the stuff to go on sale, and then stock up.

8. If you are going to stuff a sock down your trousers for the day, avoid knee-high tube socks. Noone will believe you. If you choose to use a cucumber, don't wrap it in aluminum foil if you have to go through airport security (as the bass player from Spinal Tap so aptly demonstrated). :lol:

VirFighter 06-08-2006 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by madp
A few golden rules of fashion from a clothes horse (mostly having to do with "dressy" styles):

1. Pleated pants should be avoided at all costs, as are trousers with pegged legs (tapered from wide in the thigh region to narrow at the break). Flat front, straight legged pants are a timeless, classic, and elegant look.

No love for pleats for their functionality?

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2. Baggy and boxy button down shirts aren't flattering on ANYONE (this is the way most US designers make their dress shirts). Make sure your dress shirts (or any shirt with buttons) taper down at the waist so that when you tuck them in, there isn't that strange bulge of extra fabric hanging around your belly like a phantom spare tire.
Amen to this. However another way to avoid the "phantom spare tire" is to properly tuck your shirt in and also keep it tucked in.

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3. Never buy any article of clothing that has a "Dockers" tag attached to it anywhere
Why the hate for Dockers? Is this just from a formal/dressy point of view? I love them just a nice casual or business casual look. They are damn comfy too!

madp 06-08-2006 09:11 AM

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No love for pleats for their functionality?

I'm a clothes snob. Pleats aren't flattering on anybody's body, and the only reason the top designers ever use pleats in dress clothes is because the US market demands them. To someone who knows design and fashion, pleated pants say "this guy doesn't know what he's doing."

If you value function over style, wear pleats to your heart's content! But if we are talking about "style," burn them immediately, and don't carry so much crap in your pockets! :lol:


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Why the hate for Dockers? Is this just from a formal/dressy point of view? I love them just a nice casual or business casual look. They are damn comfy too!
Again, I am a clothes snob, and I subscribe to addage, "the clothes make the man." I believe that how a man dresses projects an image of who he is. When it comes to dressy clothes, Dockers look cheap and unsophisticated. In more casual environments, I admit that I've seen a Dockers piece or two (flat front, straight legged casual pants) that were passable. However, for the most part their clothes look cheap and provencial. If you live in a metropolitan city (or travel to one with any degree of regularity), leave the Dockers in the closet!

If the image your clothes project isn't as much a concern as comfort and cost, and if the circles you run aren't typically fashion-sophisticated, then I suppose it doesn't really matter as long as you wear cuts and colors that are generally flattering to your appearance.

Nirvana 06-11-2006 04:10 PM

guys, what are some of your favorite casual looks. for casual i mean anything from going to school to hanging out in the city. also i dont mean throwing on a random top and whatever random pants you see. what im talking about is casual, and at the same time it looks like you knew what you were doing when you put the outfit together.

what i am currently into is a nice pair of jeans (tighter at the thighs and bootcut at the bottom) with a fitted t and a a nice tight form fitting hoodie. ill put on a pair of some old school kicks and a nice watch and a pair of sunglasses to top the outfit off.

Willravel 06-11-2006 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nirvana
guys, what are some of your favorite casual looks. for casual i mean anything from going to school to hanging out in the city. also i dont mean throwing on a random top and whatever random pants you see. what im talking about is casual, and at the same time it looks like you knew what you were doing when you put the outfit together.

All of my t-shirts go with all of my jeans, so it really is just throwing on whatever when I go to school or out to just hang out.
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Originally Posted by Nirvana
what i am currently into is a nice pair of jeans (tighter at the thighs and bootcut at the bottom) with a fitted t and a a nice tight form fitting hoodie. ill put on a pair of some old school kicks and a nice watch and a pair of sunglasses to top the outfit off.

Sounds like good stuff.

Charlatan 06-11-2006 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by VirFighter
No love for pleats for their functionality?


I will have to add another note to this... flat front all the way.

Pleats may have served a function several years ago (fashion wise) but they are honestly not flattering to anyone.

Nirvana 06-11-2006 08:35 PM

thing about pleats is that they dont frame the body. pleats look like parachute pants. the only reason i would see for pleats is if someone had a large butt because it does create the pear shape. slim fit pants make you look leaner and longer (much more stylish)

VirFighter 06-12-2006 05:56 PM

My point on pleats was not a fashion point, but like I said, functionality. I agree 100% they are not the most flattering thing and I personally view them as a more formal thing personally. Most of my nice suit pants are pleated but none of my casual slacks/shorts are.

The functionality is they give extra room for movement, things in the pocket, etc. I find it most noticeable while sitting down.

In the end though it all depends on your body type and look.

Sultana 06-13-2006 07:01 AM

Here's a ladies' vote for no pleated pants--for women or men, by the way. No one benefits from a bulging balloon just below the waistline.
Heh.
Seriously, don't carry so much stuff in your pockets that this is a concern.

I love shopping for men. One casual look that I enjoy seeing on guys is the retro-style bowling shirts. Admittedly, I really like retro fashions. These are dressy-er than those damn polo shirts and T-shirts, but are still comfortable. Here's a site I've been drooling over for a while:
DaddyO's

Check it out. Can't go wrong there! Yes, you will spend more than $20 for a shirt, but if you are interested in presenting a better than "Lowest Common Denominator" image, you need to be willing to invest in at least a few key pieces.

Oh, and of coure, take care of those key pieces. Invest in dry cleaning and pressing if you don't hand-wash. They'll last a lot longer, and look a lot better.

Charlatan 06-13-2006 08:12 AM

I've owned a few vintage bowling shirts in my day... in fact I still own them... the problem is, I wore them so much that they wore out or were ripped.

That's a great site Sultana... I may have to buy some new ones.

metalgeek 06-14-2006 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madp
A few golden rules of fashion from a clothes horse (mostly having to do with "dressy" styles):

2. Baggy and boxy button down shirts aren't flattering on ANYONE (this is the way most US designers make their dress shirts). Make sure your dress shirts (or any shirt with buttons) taper down at the waist so that when you tuck them in, there isn't that strange bulge of extra fabric hanging around your belly like a phantom spare tire.

Yes, but the question us quite tall skinny guys have is,
Where exactly does one find a dress shirt that's not baggy?
I'm 6'5" and around 160lbs, so everything for my height is baggy. (since I seem to be expected to weigh around 220)

Nirvana 06-14-2006 05:45 AM

you can look at more expensive European brands since they cater to the tall and thin look. however, those shirts are very expensive. Dior homme comes to mind.

Charlatan 06-14-2006 06:43 AM

Nirvana: If you are comfortable with the look then it is OK. You can't really go wrong with black and white.

metalgeek: You might want to consider finding a good seamstress. Large-sized shirts tend to assume fat rather than tall and slim. Sounds like you just need some adjustments.

Have you ever shopped at a "big and tall" store? They might have shirts that will be made to fit your frame.

Also, if you have the money, you could have some bespoke shirts made. This would be good for more formal shirts. I had some made when I was in Taipei a few years ago (I think I paid $100 for four shirts - i can't imagine you would get them that cheap in Canada).

maleficent 06-14-2006 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metalgeek
Yes, but the question us quite tall skinny guys have is,
Where exactly does one find a dress shirt that's not baggy?

Mens dress shirts come in different cuts, There's a full cut and an athletic cut would be slimmer than the full cut... I know that Brooks Brothers makes a slim fit in their dress shirts...

aKula 06-14-2006 06:52 AM

What are pleats? Pants with a crease down the front of the legs?

3Z3VH 06-14-2006 01:52 PM

I question the hatred for pleats as well. Sure, flat fronts have a more professional look to them, but with my frame (6'5" with no muscle or fat to speak of) a flat front makes me look even bonier than I already am. Also, it makes it so if I have so much as my car keys in my pocket, I look like I am carrying a spare baseball on my hip.

It is great to make blanket statements such as "Pleats are ugly" but you aren't considering that there are MANY different body styles, and what works for one, doesn't work at all for another.

Perhaps for your next trick you will tell a fat man that horizontal stripes are in-fashion.

VirFighter 06-14-2006 05:05 PM

Metalgeek,

While talking to my Dad the other day, he informed me that Men's Warehouse is doing custom tailored clothes now and they are not that pricey. You may want to consider this if there is one close to you as opposed to buying higher end designer stuff. It wouldn't hurt to ask either way.

maleficent 06-14-2006 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by aKula
What are pleats? Pants with a crease down the front of the legs?

Pleats..

http://anthonybradley.worldmagblog.c...ts_pleated.jpg

The real problem with them, especially on women, if you have any tummy or beer gut at all, it makes it more pronounced... but if the pants are well fitting... then they don't look bad on everyone.

Jason762 06-16-2006 04:55 PM

So I'm supposed to meet a girl and I want to dress to impress (somewhat). I have absolutly NO fashion sense.

I mostly wear Kakhi cargo pants with a T-shirt (usually something martial arts/MMA/UFC related), and skater shoes.

I'm 6' 2" and 235. Muscular, but needs to cut weight (and currently am). Blonde hair, blue eyed, fair skinned.

We're just going out drinking in a few Irish pubs (a first for me since I just recently turned 21).

What's something stylish I can wear?

EDIT:

Budget might be helpful... well I JUST started working, and I don't have much money in the bank, so cheaper is better.

Let me know if you need any extra info.

3Z3VH 06-16-2006 05:11 PM

For Irish Pubs you don't exactly have to go in there with a 3-piece :D

I am no fashion expert, but if she normally sees you in the attire you mentioned, I would have to say just going with some clean lined pants, such as the flat-front slacks mentioned earlier in this thread, and a tighter (not skin tight, but not a loose t-shirt) solid-colour shirt should give her the "I can be suave too" look, without out-dressing her (which is a very important point to consider). If you find a short-sleeved shirt with a very slight v-neck it will accentuate your shoulders more, lending more style than a simple ring-neck, and give a more masculine look.

maleficent 06-16-2006 05:14 PM

you don't need stylish... be neat, be non wrinkled, smell good (freshly showered and shaved if you do that), neat hair, not too much cologne- just enough for her to want to get closer to you... and polished shoes...

Jason762 06-16-2006 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 3Z3VH
I am no fashion expert, but if she normally sees you in the attire you mentioned, I would have to say just going with some clean lined pants, such as the flat-front slacks mentioned earlier in this thread, and a tighter (not skin tight, but not a loose t-shirt) solid-colour shirt should give her the "I can be suave too" look, without out-dressing her (which is a very important point to consider). If you find a short-sleeved shirt with a very slight v-neck it will accentuate your shoulders more, lending more style than a simple ring-neck, and give a more masculine look.

Actually we've never really met before. Ha ha.

Quote:

Originally Posted by maleficent
you don't need stylish... be neat, be non wrinkled, smell good (freshly showered and shaved if you do that), neat hair, not too much cologne- just enough for her to want to get closer to you... and polished shoes...

Hmmm, I WAS thinknig about cologne. I was gonna apply it the way MrSelfDestruct says to put it on.

"1: Two sprays on your chest from about 6-8 inches away. If it beads, spray from farther away; if it gets on your nipples move the bottle a bit closer. This forms the base of your scent.

2: A light (1/3) spray on each wrist over the pulse point. Press your arms together (don't rub, it breaks down the oils) and hold for a few seconds. This allows the scent to project slightly, allowing those aroudn you to get a tiny whiff of what you're wearing without being overpowering. Alternately, spray on one wrist and press. If you wash your hands with hot water later in the day and your wrists get a bit wet, the top notes of the fragrance are revitalized.

3: A light (1/2) and close (2" away) spray on the back of the neck below the hairline. This creates sillage. If you walk through a room, you'll leave a pleasant, lingering scent trail for a few seconds. With the right combination of cologne and situation, this can actually deliver the mob of women following you that the Axe commercials promise."

Polished shoes?! What the? How do you polish Vans suede skater shoes? :eek:

3Z3VH 06-16-2006 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason762
Actually we've never really met before. Ha ha.

Either way, a clean, and NOT overdressed look is the best way to go. Girls don't go so much for flash, as they do for a guy who looks as though they care for themself, and is approachable. The key you are going for here is to look great, without looking so great that she feels like the hobo.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason762
Polished shoes?! What the? How do you polish Vans suede skater shoes? :eek:

You get shoes that you CAN polish ;)

maleficent 06-16-2006 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason762
Hmmm, I WAS thinknig about cologne. I was gonna apply it the way MrSelfDestruct says to put it on.
:

MSD is very wise - so follow his advice...

Just remember the character of PigPen in the charlie brown cartoons, he had that cloud of dust around him -- youdon't want a cloud of cologne around you... you don't want someone to be able to smell you unless they are close to you... and you want to draw tem in closer...:)

Jason762 06-16-2006 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3Z3VH
Either way, a clean, and NOT overdressed look is the best way to go. Girls don't go so much for flash, as they do for a guy who looks as though they care for themself, and is approachable. The key you are going for here is to look great, without looking so great that she feels like the hobo.

Ah I'll just wear my kakhi cargos with my vans and a long sleeve button shirt. Sleeves will be rolled up and the shirt tucked in.

It'll be after work (when I've been up since 3 AM), so I'm probably not gonna give a f___ anyway.

Willravel 06-16-2006 09:24 PM

Best of luck...and just remember: the man makes the clothes, not the other way around. I've seen well dressed wankers ruin it for themselves by being the wankers that they are. Giorgio Armani or Hugo Boss can't make a jerk into Don Juan.

Sho Nuff 06-16-2006 11:16 PM

Now that the summer is here Im usually in some faded in jeans or cargo khakis with my rust colored timbs (untied with the tongue stretched) or blue and white jordans. Linen tops with top buttons off and a silver chain with a dogtag so there's something else to look at other than chest hair. Silver watch to match the chain. I have a few fresh t-shirts and shorts, Cap City and couple other brands.

For suits, my favorite is a black pin-stripped Phat Farm suit that I took to an expert tailor. I wear black leather low rise timberlands with it. I need a summer suit badly.

I also wear light weight addidas track pants with matching beach shoes and a wife beater for the beach or hot weather lounging or if I want to flex.

Jason762 06-17-2006 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3Z3VH
Either way, a clean, and NOT overdressed look is the best way to go. Girls don't go so much for flash, as they do for a guy who looks as though they care for themself, and is approachable. The key you are going for here is to look great, without looking so great that she feels like the hobo.

DOH! Well of course I HAD to overdress. I wore kakhi pants and brown slip on loafter thingies with matching belt and a long sleeve button shirt with rolled up sleeves.

I frickin looked like I was going to a job interview. DOH! :o

Ah well. I was shy at first, but after 3 20 ounce Guinesses I loosened up and had a heck of a good time.

Thanks for the help tho!

3Z3VH 06-17-2006 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason762
DOH! Well of course I HAD to overdress. I wore kakhi pants and brown slip on loafter thingies with matching belt and a long sleeve button shirt with rolled up sleeves.

I frickin looked like I was going to a job interview. DOH! :o

Ah well. I was shy at first, but after 3 20 ounce Guinesses I loosened up and had a heck of a good time.

Thanks for the help tho!


As long as a good time was had, that is half of what matters... the other half is: did she ?

madp 06-17-2006 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willravel
. Giorgio Armani or Hugo Boss can't make a jerk into Don Juan.

Hey, it worked for me! :lol:

Jason762 06-18-2006 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3Z3VH
As long as a good time was had, that is half of what matters... the other half is: did she ?

Mmmm, I think/hope so. I was really shy at first, but after 3 20 oz Guenesses (on an empty stomach! :eek:), I loosened up a bit. We talked, and it ended with a hug and her telling me we should play pool in my town next week.

Grasshopper Green 06-18-2006 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sultana
Here's a ladies' vote for no pleated pants--for women or men, by the way. No one benefits from a bulging balloon just below the waistline.
Heh.
Seriously, don't carry so much stuff in your pockets that this is a concern.

I love shopping for men. One casual look that I enjoy seeing on guys is the retro-style bowling shirts. Admittedly, I really like retro fashions. These are dressy-er than those damn polo shirts and T-shirts, but are still comfortable. Here's a site I've been drooling over for a while:
DaddyO's

Check it out. Can't go wrong there! Yes, you will spend more than $20 for a shirt, but if you are interested in presenting a better than "Lowest Common Denominator" image, you need to be willing to invest in at least a few key pieces.

Oh, and of coure, take care of those key pieces. Invest in dry cleaning and pressing if you don't hand-wash. They'll last a lot longer, and look a lot better.


I *love* that site, Sultana. Thanks for posting it...I'm going to have to get hubby something from there (I better show it to him though, I love the bowling shirts but I don't know if he would wear one).

cellophanedeity 06-18-2006 09:37 AM

This thread is quite interesting...

but if my love did most of the things recommended here, I'd probably smack him.

I was pleased with myself when I got him wearing jeans instead of cargos once in a while, and I have no intention to change his style much beyond that. If he wore designer shirts and perfect jeans and all of that, I'd worry.

I don't dress very fancily. My favourite outfit involves a graphic t, birkenstocks and comfy jeans. If he dressed all pretty, I'd worry about my clothes, and I don't care to.

So just try to remember the situation you'll be in when you're dressed fashionably. Sometimes it's better to not wear the belt, let your chin get scruffy, and wear the D&D tee. ^_^

3Z3VH 06-18-2006 09:47 AM

Would you be as worried as you say if he started dressing this way for work ?

I am sure everyone in this thread can agree, when you are just kicking it with the Girlfriend or going to a dirt mall or something, there is no need to wear nice clothes. This thread is more for those people and times when a guy wants to impress others on a subtle (or even not so subtle) level.

These aren't suggestions for clothes to wrestle your dog in, or for doing yard work, or even for sitting at your computer posting on forums in. These are clothes to wear when going out, when you want people to respect you.

cellophanedeity 06-18-2006 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 3Z3VH
Would you be as worried as you say if he started dressing this way for work ?

I am sure everyone in this thread can agree, when you are just kicking it with the Girlfriend or going to a dirt mall or something, there is no need to wear nice clothes. This thread is more for those people and times when a guy wants to impress others on a subtle (or even not so subtle) level.

These aren't suggestions for clothes to wrestle your dog in, or for doing yard work, or even for sitting at your computer posting on forums in. These are clothes to wear when going out, when you want people to respect you.

Ah... I'm taking this all in as "everyday living" style, with what to wear to school and when with friends and women and the like. For office work and things like that, these are generally good ideas. That's true.

3Z3VH 06-18-2006 10:38 AM

Some people take it to the "Everyday living style" extreme, but they are all psychos ;)

NORMAL people can see the value in a ripped pair of comfy jeans and an old t-shirt when there is noone else to impress ;)

Martian 06-18-2006 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3Z3VH
Some people take it to the "Everyday living style" extreme, but they are all psychos ;)

NORMAL people can see the value in a ripped pair of comfy jeans and an old t-shirt when there is noone else to impress ;)

It's good to know that I'm a psycho.

Nirvana 06-18-2006 01:05 PM

i don't think that trying to look your best is something to be worried about. that doesn't mean wearing a nicely tailored suit everday, but maybe a pair of light comfy jeans with loafers, a button down and a blazer. even a pair of jeans, tennis shoes, hoodie, and a graphic t can look amazing when worn right.

Temporary_User 06-18-2006 09:11 PM

Im all for dressing to impress 24/7.
I dont go all out everyday though. I'm only 21, so even my best isnt even that formal. When I goto the bar/club I normally just dress how I would on a normal day. nothing too special, a good quality polo (Lacoste, RL etc.) or even a nice T. then some jeans. Here is where I would like to go for something nice and expensive but dont. right now I have a pair of Gap, Old Navy, Guess, and RL.
Can someone convince me on more expensive brands?
My next outfit that Im thinking I want to buy would be a nice ben sherman argyle sweater (black) to pair up underneath. with a dark with lines (black) button up shirt.
I always wear Aldo shoes (Im in Canada, do they have those elsewhere)
black and brown I have.
What kind of socks should I wear with my brown shoes?
currently I am wearing wool socks. they are the only ones that I can find that look decent if my socks are actually showing.
black is simple. I just go to footlocker or wherever and buy a bag of black socks.

Any advice for me would greatly be appreciated!
It almost seems to me that I might be falling into a polo only hole or something. it's not that bad, but could get there.

I didnt want my other post to get too long and ignored, but i have some more questions.
this on the more formal clothing.
At my work (restaurant) I have to wear black dress pants and I currently wear a uniform provided to me, Ill soon have to be wearing a black dress shirt.

Im 5'6" 160lbs. I would say medium build.
What brand of pants would you guys reccemend?
My knowledge of these consists of going to the bay (canadian version nordstroms?) and getting a pair. The only kind that I found I like are Perry Ellis. These seem to be alright, but I think they could be better out there.

Also shirt. What brand should I look at here? for this again I would probably just goto the bay and find one.
I really want something good for work, but nothing too expensive since there is always the chance of me spilling food on myself and ruining the clothes.

Zeraph 06-19-2006 03:57 PM

I'm an outdoors type of person, are wearing glacier glasses (when I'm not hiking, or skiing or whatever) too much of a faux pas?

If you don't know what I mean, here's a link to some amazon GGs.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ance&n=3375251

Nirvana 06-19-2006 04:01 PM

Hey temporary user, gap jeans are great. I generally don't like their regular line but the 1969 ones usually come out with a few surprises now and then. Frequent gap now and then and see what they get. I find that the feel and quality of the denim is very often similar to that of jeans that cost hundreds of dollars. Sometimes, i even prefer it.
Their pants arent that bad either.Ccheck their site out. I think the pants that I am talking about are called the dress pants. i like the way they fit on me and they don't cost a lot so you should definetely check them out. Plus I think gap is having a huge sale right now. However, if i can recomend jeans that are worth the money you pay for them,they would be the levi's Capital E. check out the Levi's Skinner in the Stone Age wash and the Coveted wash. Both jeans are excellent and are pretty cheap right now. You can order from Urban outfitters for about 90 (the coveted ones) and the stone age wash from nordstrom for about 110. the stone age wash is so soft and light. The jeans are amazing. Also check out deisel jeans. the zathans are pretty cool.
Really expensive jeans that i think are worth the money are nudie jeans. check out their website to see why.
Also, more expensive doesn't mean better. I think when it comes to buying a nice suit or a coat or whatever, it's ok to shell out some extra cash. but generally, the price that you pay for somehting is mostly going for the name. not always, but sometimes it is true.

VirFighter 06-19-2006 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeraph
I'm an outdoors type of person, are wearing glacier glasses (when I'm not hiking, or skiing or whatever) too much of a faux pas?

If you don't know what I mean, here's a link to some amazon GGs.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ance&n=3375251

I've never seen anyone wearing those around, but I think it all comes down to your personal style and where you are. With enough confidence and the right attitude I believe a person can define their own style (within certain limits).

Sunglasses are such a personal preference (for me at least). I've worn aviators ever since I found an old pair of Foster Grant's that were my Dad's. I love the way the look on the me and how they fit on my face, I'll be wearing them until I find something better, regardless of the current style or trend.

So yeah, give it a shot man, sounds like you already own them, what's the worst that could happen?

Nirvana 06-28-2006 05:38 PM

hey will, i was wondering if you could recomend a pair of jeans. im thinking something slim in the thighs with a slight bootcut. i don't want a full bootcut but somehting very slight so i dont have the flared look but the jeans fall nicely over my shoes. thanks.

oh and ignore everything that i said about gap jeans. i went there yesterday after not being there for like a month or so and their new collection sucks. they don't have anymore left-weave denim which was very very nice. actually whatever they do have they're selling for about 20 bucks so hurry and go pick up a pair before theyre all out. their new jeans are stiff and they feel like cardboard. once again, quality has dropped at the gap.

Willravel 06-28-2006 09:30 PM

So you like the soft, worn stuff? American Eagle has always been a great place to get decent jeans for a fair price. They're comfortable and they tend to fit pretty much everyone. If you're looking for something less boot cut, then got with straight leg jeans. They're not as goofy as they once were. My straight leg jeans from AE fit over my New Balance running shoes or my Kenneth Cole Reaction dress shoes prety well.

oracle2380 07-02-2006 04:05 PM

Personally, I've become addicted to Hollister. The pants are comfortable, and the button-up shirts look nice enough for any casual situation. I will admit that I could definitely use more formal clothes, but I rarely have occasions that require suit and tie. I tend to stay in natural colors and well away from black.

When I do get snazzed up though I have about ten or so dress shirts and (a lot of) ties that tend to once again stay in the natural tones to go with my three suits.

As far as shoes go, running/tennis/basketball shoes were intended for those activities. I've got some old ankle high 'boots' that I wear with every day pants/jeans when it's cool outside, 'boat shoes' or flip-flops for shorts or in the summer, and square toes for going out on the town.

Nirvana 07-03-2006 01:15 PM

personally, i dont like the stuff from hollister. i think for the prices you pay there, uou can hunt down some good bargains around the city (if you happen to be in a metropolitan area). especially now that it is summer, there are somemajor sales going on.

Nirvana 07-16-2006 06:51 PM

hey i was wondering has anyone ever had any luck at goodwills or thrift shops? i've always wanted to go cuz 've always ehard of people finding amazing things in thrift shops.

Willravel 07-16-2006 08:08 PM

Well one never knows till one tries. I've been in some goodwills around, but I have yet to find anything of real value. I always feel guilty going in, though, so I end up giving something away. Usually specialty thrift shops are a better bet. There are a few decent ones in San Francisco, if you don't mind the flamboyance.

Nirvana 07-17-2006 09:45 AM

u know, i've heard of people finding some crazy things in thrift shops. somebody found a worn but in excellent condition armani suit for 20 bucks. though i think if i ever went, the only thing i would be comfortable purchasing is a suit or a jacket of some sort.

Willravel 07-17-2006 09:57 AM

Well looking for name brands is important, but I think the more important thing is how you look and feel wearing it. I love my Hugo Boss suits, but NOTHING beats some comfortable chinos of jeans, leather flip-flops, and a my favorite t-shirt. I'd wear it to church if I could.

Nirvana 07-17-2006 10:17 AM

ye the reason being i wouldn't be comfortable wearing someone's t shirt. as far as i would be willing to go is possibly jeans but they would have to be a great find like some really old classic levi's.

MSD 07-18-2006 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nirvana
u know, i've heard of people finding some crazy things in thrift shops. somebody found a worn but in excellent condition armani suit for 20 bucks. though i think if i ever went, the only thing i would be comfortable purchasing is a suit or a jacket of some sort.

Occasionally when people die, the family will just truck everything down to Goodwill. I've heard of amazing finds (my favorite was the Minimoog Synthsizer for $50, and to remain relevant to this thread, a plethora of high-end designer clothes.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nirvana
ye the reason being i wouldn't be comfortable wearing someone's t shirt. as far as i would be willing to go is possibly jeans but they would have to be a great find like some really old classic levi's.

I'm having trouble figuring out how you're OK with wearing a stranger's discarded pants but the shirt poses a problem.

Nirvana 07-20-2006 12:43 PM

well judging from my own body chemistry, i know my torso sweats a lot more then my legs do. i can buy a pair of vintage levis and just keep them as a collector's item or wear them if i am in the mood. now even though i'd get the garments cleaned, that whole "sweat" thought will still be in my head. i wouldn't be a opposed to a shirt because those are usually worn with an undershirt, but a t-shirt in my mind is just nasty.

VirFighter 08-03-2006 06:22 PM

This thread so far has been all about clothing... what about watches?

I currently don't wear a wristwatch but would like to start... just have no idea where to. I don't have a big budget but would like something to complement a suit or just those days when I'm dressed nice. Something where the strap could be easily changed would be a huge plus too!

Anyway, what do the gentlemen of TFP wear on their wrists?

Willravel 08-03-2006 06:36 PM

I have a few watches:
Silver/gold band, black face: This is best for semiformal to formal situations, including dark suits. This works with black/brown/tan leather. Silver or gold belt buckle/cuflinks.
black leather band, black face: This is also formal/semiformal. Best with black leather and silver/stainless.
stainless band, silver face: Über-formal. I wear this with a tux going to very special events. Still, it's a damn good watch for $500.
brown leather band, gunmetal/stainless face: Casual. I wear this with chinos or jeans.

Watches are like any other thing. Wear what you like, wear what's comfortable, and wear what matches.

VirFighter 08-03-2006 07:37 PM

Thanks for the response. Its always nice to see what others are wearing. I suppose I just need to go try on several and see what I like.

Mantus 08-03-2006 11:23 PM

My turn!

There is a difference between dressing to impress, look good or attract

Impressing people is easy. Have expencive, well fited clothing. Well fited is key. People worth impressing will be impressed because they themselves shop for expensive clothing thus recognize the quality.

If you simply wish to look good it's not impoirtant to have expensive stuff, the reason people recomend having one great outfit rather then five cheap ones is because most guys dont know how to dress themselves. Expencive usually equals taste and style. If you have both then you can be thrifty. Looking good is wearing whatever you feel most comfortable in that's within social norms. It's something that's congruent with who you are. For example jeans and a t-shirt that fits you well works for allot of guys. You will look good becasue you will feel good and people mostly care about the energy and vibe you project - not your clothing. A guy can be wearing a $500 casual outfit or a $100 outfit and it will make a very minor impact on how people percieve him as long as he can be himself and comfortable.

This is key! Understand this.

Dressing to attract, or peacocking as some may call it, is a whole other animal. Dressing good gives you points with people, however many men know how to dress themselves so you wont be that special. Dressing to impress can actually work against you if you are also trying to attract...because well, you are trying...

Dressing to attract is having the balls to dress outside of the "cool" boundaries. It's going beyond the norm being totally comfortable with it. That doesnt mean you have to dress like an Japanese raver kid. Infact they are not dressing to attract because they are actually playing it safe, their style is within the "norm" for their peer group. Same with goth kids - they actually dress within boundaries of cool. I'll get more into this later, for now some minor ideas.

Have a "wuz-that" item. See, people want to talk, but most find it difficult to open a conversation. So give them something to go "wuz-that?!" about. This is usually a cool piece of jewlery, or a unique item of clothing. Notice how a nose piercing is while "cool" and "out-there" is not an attraction item...there is nothing that special about them. If you had a unique nose piercing...then it would work. However it has to catch intrest which means it has to have character - it can't blend in. It helps if you have a story or cool fact about the item to spark a conversation further.

I personally have a hand made bracelet that's shiny and a bit feminine which a friend of mine made me. I have a shirt which says "I Heart Redheads"...everyone that's not a readhead always wants to know why they are not loved. A spiked necklace.

Next is any item that can be taken away. Hats, scarves and easy to remove jewlery works here. People will want to play with them. This will spark an interaction. Not only that but if you want to make someone feel special or stick around while you are talking to someone else, just put your hat on their head. They are obliged to stay then.

Now that the minor issues are covered lets bring out the big guns. As a disclamer I have only tried this in casual settings (bars, clubs, house parties) Dressing to attract by going outside of what is cool. The key is to be unique. It all depends on the context. Dressing like a goth or a raver outside of those circles will get you looks and may even attract a few people to you, but existing styles have allot of baggage. So you will probably get pigeonholed by most.

What we are aiming for is for people to want to meet you in order to figure you out. We don't want people looking at and placing us in a niche as "polo", "business", "goth", or watever guy. People are intrigued by what they don't understand. They will either come to you or be receptive when you come to them.

It's very important to have a style that is completely congruent with your personality. If you are a good guy, dont dress like a badboy. If you are a laid back guy who hate sloud colors, dont put them on just to get attention. Not only will you feel uncomfortable, which people will read, but people will feel decieved/disapointed once they actually meet you. If you dress to your personality then it will amplify your character.

This is dressing to attract.

Cheers.

longbough 08-04-2006 09:36 PM

I just get what feels and looks good on myself.

I won't characterize my stuff in any particular way but I have a decent variety. If I buy more expensive stuff it's only because I "know" what I'm paying for ... not because I'm a "label whore" ... quite the opposite. There's crappy (poor quality) brand-name stuff as well as great off-brand stuff. It helps to know your materials and construction ... and to know what goes into the construction of, say, a good suit, for example.

There are Armani suits and jackets that look great on the rack but look ... overstated (for lack of a better term) when worn IMO.

On the other hand, the best suit I ever owned was made for me by a friend of a friend ... this little old tailor in the back streets of Lima, Peru - who built me a complete suit for the cost of materials plus $150 for his labor. I would have purchased 3 or 4 up front if I hadn't been so arrogantly skeptical from the start. Boy was I wrong. 2 fittings later I had a suit that felt like no other ...

When I lived in the UK I purchased an unconstructed David Moss herringbone jacket for only 50 pounds (it was on sale - being discontinued). I swear it was only 2 weeks later the exact same jacket appeared as a new Hugo Boss item for 150 pounds! It was the EXACT same item with a swapped label (both made in Malaysia, too, as I recall).

Moral: Know what you're paying for ...

At the moment I'm wearing a John Varvatos print shirt, a pair of bootcut 7's jeans, Prada leather belt and black Bruno Magli Manado loafers (no socks).
But tomorrow I'll probably be wearing a simple Gap black T-shirt under a comfy Woolrich forest tremont shirt and Citizens of Humanity Evans jeans ... albiet with brown Prada loafers (the Pradas are overpriced for the construction IMO ... but they look and feel really nice).

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Originally Posted by Temporary_User
Can someone convince me on more expensive brands?
My next outfit that Im thinking I want to buy would be a nice ben sherman argyle sweater (black) to pair up underneath. with a dark with lines (black) button up shirt.
I always wear Aldo shoes (Im in Canada, do they have those elsewhere)

If price is no object go to Saks Fifth Avenue and try trousers from Dolce & Gabbana and Ermenegildo Zegna. Actually it seems I own more Zegna than any other name - I just like their stuff ... shirts, and trousers. For shirts also try Hugo Boss, Richard James and Prada.

I don't know what your budget is ... but at the very least you should try these items to get an idea of the look you'd want. Then shop around for the "look" rather than the brand name. You can get shirts from Express Design Studio, for example, that have the same cut as the Hugo Boss shirts. I have a couple of their shirts which look great at a fraction of the cost. They look about 90% as good on me as my Hugo Boss and Richard James shirts. The more expensive stuff certainly feels better because of the fabric.

If your sole object is to look good ... don't skimp on the shoes. A great pair of shoes will make an otherwise nondescript outfit elegant ... conversely, a terrific outfit will be destroyed if your shoes are lousy. John Lobb, Bruno Magli, Loake, Prada ... all have nice shoes. And don't rule out Ralph Lauren shoes, some of which are actually from Edward Green (excellent English shoes).

Nirvana 08-07-2006 05:26 PM

i too would go for a custom made tailored suit than any off the rack dior homme or dolce suit anyday.

Vincentt 08-16-2006 05:08 AM

How tight is too tight?

For say, polo shirts, or even normal Ts.

I have some fairly tight polos, but sometimes wonder if I'm going too small.

T shirts are the same, for me, they are almost always too big or too small. Maybe I just can't be happy :)

passthru 08-20-2006 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CandleInTheDark
You'll quickly find I don't care what women like.

High five bro!

Willravel 08-20-2006 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Vincentt
How tight is too tight?

For say, polo shirts, or even normal Ts.

I have some fairly tight polos, but sometimes wonder if I'm going too small.

T shirts are the same, for me, they are almost always too big or too small. Maybe I just can't be happy :)

...seeing your nipples through the shirt = too tight, imho. Also, different companies have different ideas about what size their "medium" is. I also existed between sizes for a while. When I was there, I used Ralph lauren t shirts and polos. they fit quite well.

How tight your shirt should be also depends on your build. If you have man-breasts and a gut, you need to cover it with a larger, darker, somwhat thicker shirt. If you're Über-skinny, you need lighter material and colors, and a leaner shirt. If you're built, then something comfortably snug can work, but usually just go with whatever fits (if you're in good shape, you tend to be able to wear more, better).

longbough 08-20-2006 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by willravel
...seeing your nipples through the shirt = too tight, imho. Also, different companies have different ideas about what size their "medium" is. I also existed between sizes for a while. When I was there, I used Ralph lauren t shirts and polos. they fit quite well.

How tight your shirt should be also depends on your build. If you have man-breasts and a gut, you need to cover it with a larger, darker, somwhat thicker shirt. If you're Über-skinny, you need lighter material and colors, and a leaner shirt. If you're built, then something comfortably snug can work, but usually just go with whatever fits (if you're in good shape, you tend to be able to wear more, better).

But, willravel, I'm sure you'd agree that if you're Sean Connery the rules don't apply at all. You can wear ANYTHING and still look purposeful and charismatic.

case and point: The film, Zardoz - If you recall, Sean Connery is wearing what amounts to a big red diaper with a bandolier - and yet he's still a tough guy. Not a lot of people can wear that outfit without looking completely ridiculous.

Nirvana 08-28-2006 07:57 PM

in regards to the nipples showing through the polo, in the words of Chandler Bing, you might just have "big man nipples." wearing an under shirt should solve this problem. hey will i was wondering if you could take a picture of your nudies and post them on here. i presume you bought the dry pair and i was wondering how they turned out.

Willravel 08-28-2006 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by longbough
But, willravel, I'm sure you'd agree that if you're Sean Connery the rules don't apply at all. You can wear ANYTHING and still look purposeful and charismatic.

case and point: The film, Zardoz - If you recall, Sean Connery is wearing what amounts to a big red diaper with a bandolier - and yet he's still a tough guy. Not a lot of people can wear that outfit without looking completely ridiculous.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...d11/zardoz.jpg
Dude, I f**king love that movie. If you haven't seen Zardoz, you're missing out on some ridiculously cool stuff. Some days I feel like a brutal, and sometimes I fel like an Emortal.

Nirvana:
I tore them pretty badly riding my bike. I tried to sow them back up, but couldn't match the quality of the manufacturer. I ended up giving them to GoodWill. While they lasted they were damn good jeans. I'm considering ordering more.

Nirvana 08-29-2006 12:44 PM

i was wondering, did the majority of the tearing end up on the crotch of the jeans?

Sharon 06-25-2007 05:45 PM

I found this thread by accident, and thought it was worth reviving. I saw a man out walking today wearing a truly revolting Hawaiian shirt... I'm not very good giving advice on men's fashion, I only know what I like when I see it.

So perhaps this thread can be brought to life again to help our TFP brethren dress better. And of course, piccy eye candy for us missies. ;)

Willravel 06-25-2007 05:58 PM

I'm here to offer what I can.

Bear Cub 06-25-2007 07:05 PM

Here's my jeans dilemma.

I prefer to wear low cut, often shallow in the back sneakers such as the classic Adidas, or a few pairs of skate shoes I own. I also have very short legs, and while I'm much more proportional now (went from a 38-40 to a 30-32 waist), a 30 length pant is really pushing it for me.

While a boot cut tends to look/fit better than a straight leg or anything else on me, I can't find a damn pair of jeans that will stay above my sneakers. Even if they sit normally around my shoe, they almost ALWAYS will slip beneath the heel of my shoe, getting pulled/tugged and eventually torn in that area or stretched out, complicating matters. Is there any particular cut of jeans that works better than the other as far as actually fitting with sneakers without me looking like I'm wearing an adult diaper beneath my clothes?



With my recent weight loss and newly acquired lady friend, I'd also like to try and dress a little more sharply when going out at night (more or less so I don't look like an embarassment next to her). I'm still mostly a jeans kind of guy, but you'd swear my closet looks like Homer Simpson's, just packed full of black, navy blue, and grey t shirts, and virtually nothing more.

While I do have one or two dressier shirts, I'd like to pick up at least a few button up shirts that I can wear with a solid tee beneath it. The trouble is, I have no idea what would look good on me. I'm of average build with a big chest/shoulders/back (5'7", 170#), dark hair, brown eyes, dark facial hair. I have retardedly short legs, so I'm mostly neck/torso. I've always been a dark colors kind of guy, but I have no idea what to look for as far as patterns or color combos. I'd like to try something other than my "big 3", but I have no idea what looks tacky or what looks tasteful in regards to the patterns/colors. If someone could throw some example pics up of what to look for, it'd be much appreciated.

Willravel 06-25-2007 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChassisWelder
Here's my jeans dilemma.

I prefer to wear low cut, often shallow in the back sneakers such as the classic Adidas, or a few pairs of skate shoes I own. I also have very short legs, and while I'm much more proportional now (went from a 38-40 to a 30-32 waist), a 30 length pant is really pushing it for me.

While a boot cut tends to look/fit better than a straight leg or anything else on me, I can't find a damn pair of jeans that will stay above my sneakers. Even if they sit normally around my shoe, they almost ALWAYS will slip beneath the heel of my shoe, getting pulled/tugged and eventually torn in that area or stretched out, complicating matters. Is there any particular cut of jeans that works better than the other as far as actually fitting with sneakers without me looking like I'm wearing an adult diaper beneath my clothes?

This is VERY common. One thing I would suggest first is to shop around. Don't just go to American Eagle or Abercrombie. Head over to Macys, Levi, Banana Republic, Armani Exchange, etc. and try different ones on. Not all jeans are cut the same just because they are given the same measurements.

In addition to that, you can take jeans in to get fitted. I know it sounds corny, but clothes that fit are better in look and feel. It's not the most common thing, but it's almost a guaranteed fix.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChassisWelder
With my recent weight loss and newly acquired lady friend, I'd also like to try and dress a little more sharply when going out at night (more or less so I don't look like an embarassment next to her). I'm still mostly a jeans kind of guy, but you'd swear my closet looks like Homer Simpson's, just packed full of black, navy blue, and grey t shirts, and virtually nothing more.

While I do have one or two dressier shirts, I'd like to pick up at least a few button up shirts that I can wear with a solid tee beneath it. The trouble is, I have no idea what would look good on me. I'm of average build with a big chest/shoulders/back (5'7", 170#), dark hair, brown eyes, dark facial hair. I have retardedly short legs, so I'm mostly neck/torso. I've always been a dark colors kind of guy, but I have no idea what to look for as far as patterns or color combos. I'd like to try something other than my "big 3", but I have no idea what looks tacky or what looks tasteful in regards to the patterns/colors. If someone could throw some example pics up of what to look for, it'd be much appreciated.

Well a big fat ass congratulations. When I got skinny, I got married. Horizontal stripes of a color that your gf thinks you look good in. Remember: you're dressing for her. I know I work well in strong blues and blacks, reds and grays, and muted earth tones (browns, teals, greens, tans).

Again, you'll want to ask your gf, but here are a few ideas to help out:
Black funny T shirt
Brown slip fit dress shirt
Low Rise Bootcut Dark Wash Jeans
Black Leather Belt
Badass Watch
Black Leather Flip Flop
Shades

This is still your style because it’s dark, but it’s perfect for a night on the town type of situation. The flip flips aren’t for a club, but if you’re headed to a party at someone’s house, you’ll be a badass.

jorgelito 06-25-2007 11:11 PM

Buy pants that fit. It should sit around your waist with the cuff falling to just a half inch from the sole (heel side). Especially if you have short legs, wearing low slung jeans will just make you look like a slacker midget. A lot of stores have helpful charts on the different cuts, Spend some time trying them on.

aKula 06-25-2007 11:15 PM

An overcoat is nice as well for the winter months. You can wear it over a suit or with casual dress. Darker jeans look good with the standard black overcoat. I really like wearing black leather gloves occasionally, though it's rarely cold enough here.

Bear Cub 06-26-2007 04:44 PM

I LOVE that brown slip fit dress shirt. That's more my speed, and along the lines of what I'm looking for. The jeans are nice too. I only own two pairs now that I bought half way through my weight loss, and already I have no choice but to cinch them around my waist with a belt just to keep them up. I think I'd probably look good in darker jeans, as I tend to stick to the lighter ones.

I'll definitely have to spend some time trying on the different jeans. I got my last few pairs at Macy's, and noticed that certain brands tended to fit a lot better in general.

Keep the ideas rolling guys :-D

Bear Cub 07-01-2007 06:43 PM

Well, the advice paid off. Headed up to Clinton Crossings for some outlet shopping and did pretty well for myself.

Picked up a bunch of shirts on the cheap, and they all worked out. The girlfriend told me I'd look good in white, especially given my very tan summer skin. I was VERY leary at first, as I've never before looked good in white (read, I had huge man boobs). Well, apparently my chest has gone down enough with the weight loss that I looked pretty darn sharp in a pair of white polos with a graphic off to the side and some thin horizontal stripes from Aeropostale. Really comfortable, not too long, show off my shoulders/neck muscles, and just fit perfect. I threw in another brown polo shirt with beige and red stripes from Aero, and headed on to the next store.

The Gap also worked out well for me. I picked up a nice pair of dark charcoal grey cargo shorts with a big pocket on each side, but nothing poofy or goofy looking. I got REALLY lucky and found a pair with a 31 waist which fit me PERFECT, and it's probablyt he first pair of shorts I've ever had that weren't too long. They're comfortable as hell too, and look pretty sharp. Also made out with an uber cheap brown set of swim trunks, as I was in dire need.

At another store, I was able to pick up two slightly dressier shirts on the cheap. The first a mixed stripe/thin squares (think checkerboard, but not checkered), with some blues and browns in it. Also picked up one with green vertical stripes. What amazed me was that a SMALL fit me PERFECTLY. Don't stick out when they're tucked in, sleeves can be nicely rolled up, fits the chest/midsection very nicely, sleeves the perfect length. Having something green definitely made the little lady happy, too.

A trip to Pacsun nailed me the PERFECT pairs of jeans. I wanted a more casual set first, so found a lighter pair with a washed out look and some tatters. Fit great in the waste, but enough room in the thighs with a loose boot cut to be very comfortable without looking baggy. I really wanted a dark pair to go with some nicer shirts/slightly dressier looking casual. I found a dark pair in a slim fit boot cut, and fell in love with the things. They tapered in just a hair in the thighs, still comfortable, and sat great around my sneakers (no tripping over the heel with either pair). They actually made my butt look GOOD, and I never even knew I had one!

I decided to end off the day on a shoe hunt. I needed a pair of plain white sneakers, and lucked out as plenty of shoe stores had the 2 for $89 going on. I scored a set of mid-height classic looking adidas with just a thin grey striping on them that looked very nice, but found the PERFECT pair of other adidas, almost all white, but with a brown sole, brown stripe, and an off-white stripe as well. Will go perfect with a lot of my clothes, as I'm trying to incorporate some brown more and more.

All in all, spent about $200 on the day, picked up some great deals, LOVE the look of the new clothes, and even managed to get a cat call and wink out of a pair of young ladies when walking out of the dressing room at Aeropostale. I've also got a good idea of what to look for when I'm dragging a young female around with me, which should certainly be helpful.

Willravel 07-01-2007 06:57 PM

Very cool. Let us know how your gf likes the new clothes, and feel free to stop by for more info.


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