So have you tried Mescaline?
 

I'm just curious about the other thread about Mescaline that was locked.

I didn't hear anyone say they'd tried it. I have.

It was okay. Sort of a low grade acid if you eat it in it's traditional form, which is a peyote "button" off a small cactus. The type that grow in places like Arizona. You can make it up in a tea that isn't very tasty.

Natives in Northern Mexico and the Sothern U.S. use it as part of their religious rites and for medicine. It's a mindtrip if you do it right. Compared to acid, I'd say it's less dangerous but, that's like saying a knife is less dangerous than a gun. It depends on the situation.

Good Mexican Tequila has a worm in the bottom that gathers the Mescaline from the Tequila. It's considered an honor of sorts to get it, which means you get to eat a bug. Mexican Border towns are the place to find bottles with worms in them. Do a little research on brand names before buying anything because there are differences. Buy several bottles and go camping.

Just like cannabis, this is something you ingest and may take a long time for the full effect. It's extremely important that you NOT overdose the first time, but this is what everyone does, so what advice can I give?

After drinking the tea, chewing a button, or eating a worm, only do 2 Tequila shots and then switch to weak beer until things kick in. Then sit back and watch the stars if possible. The shots will get you high and "stoned" in a comfortable way if you're used to drinking. Is this good medical advice... well... you decide. Mixing drugs of any type is a crapshoot, but there'd be a lot of dead Mexicans if you died from doing Mescaline and Tequila. The mistake most people make here is they drink enough booze to make them sick and then they get stoned while they're sick. Controlled use is the keypoint here.

Injest the drug only ONCE in a 24 hour period the first couple times you do it. People expect results too quick so they take another dose after an hour. Several hours later they're overdosing in the bathroom under the shower or getting stoned for a full day at a time. It's not a nice feeling when you can't "stop it" from happening.

I would class this as an occasional use only drug. Go camping with some friends and keep one person straight, in case you need to do something like drive a car or put out the fire. Expect at least one person to wander away from camp and get lost, so camp when the weather is warmer.

Only do the drug with people you know and trust the first few times. Just like alcohol, drugs like Mescaline can make people act crazy. The natives did some interesting things like pulling their skin off while on this stuff, so it's all be done before. No need to go mountain climbing or anything like that. Leave the handguns at home.

I don't do this stuff anymore, but I'd suggest everyone try it at least once just to say they did. Or at least, so they can give decent advice.

So there! :thumbsup:

I think the reaction to Strange Famous's post was WAY over the top.

Perhaps it's just the difference in Americans and how they interpret the way the English speak, but I can almost certainly state that SF was not serious when he said "escape". Not in any serious way. It's a turn of phrase. Sheesh people.... Relax.

Besides, why do ANY of you drink or take drugs? Because it makes you feel nicer or better than you do sober or drug-free.

Telling him to seek professional help, telling him he's sick and then locking the thread before he even had a chance to respond is behaviour I personally feel is not in the spirit of TFP.

There have been several, lengthy, multi-page threads on drugs on this board. There have been many many individual posts by people asking for opinions on drugs on this board.

And now we have one of our most popular and engaging members treated shamefully because of one post (that I believe most of your misinterpreted).

Mr Mephisto

Clarification
 

Please understand there was no attempt to ridicule or belittle any member of this community. The closure and statement by the site owner was a reaction to percieved request for information running counter to the mission of this Project. We look at every thread posted and evaluate the value vs. damage to community, and that one crossed a line.

This one does not.

I don't buy it. I'm with Mr. Mephisto on this... until I hear otherwise from SF I can't think that his enquiry into a specific drug is anything more that what this post is about.

That said, I'd would like to know more about Mesc. I've never taken it myself and am curious about how it differs from Acid or Mushrooms, things I have taken.

Tequila with a worm in the bottom of it is not mescaline, it's called Mescal. It's a smoother form of tequila. While there may be a small, small, element of mescaline in the mix somewhere, I've never heard of anyone tripping off eating the worm, nor have I done so myself and I've eaten plenty of them in my day. (Yes, brought back from Mexico, too).

Actual mescaline is a whole different story.

Reading this feels like reading a corporate memo, not a TFP post. The way SF was treated by the leading members of a community that is known throught the internet as tolerant and open minded is simply amusing. What the hell was that? :|

Of all things now, I'd love to know more about mescaline. I hope some people who tried it will clome forward.

I agree that calling SF sick and that he needs professional help is over the top. His question was as legitamate as any other question put out on the TFP. I guess it's a matter of "drugs are bad...and that's it."

I tried mescaline a number of years ago. It was similar to mushrooms, but a bit more intense and not as harsh as old man cid. We were outside, by ourselves up a forestry road in the middle of nowhere. All of us had an amazing introspective afternoon, filled with great thoughts and laughter.
I'm not telling anyone to try it, just what my experience was. And no, I wasn't looking to escape a bad situation, just out to have a bit of fun....nothing wrong with that.

Thanks Splck...

Legitimate question or not, the closing of the thread was not about discussion policy, but about individual policy. SF has been abusing the board's resources to garner attention and validation through frequent self-degradation. That is a sign of an individual who seriously needs help. Nothing we can say can help him directly and I will certainly not aid in the continued self-destruction of a member's life. It's obvious to all who have observed that the man is troubled and needs some serious help. The kind you pay a licensed professional for.

Keep it real, people. I'm looking out for you and when it aids you, I'll make sure you get the message that you are seriously fucking up.

haha.. I gotta laugh at cold responses that sound like they came from a book. Do you speak like this in normal life? Do you feel a sense of power here, or a lack of power in the real world? Forget the drug use, I'm worried about people who give advice like using a condom to masturbate. Lighten up just a tad for fucks sake.

Thanks for the bit about the worm not having any real drug in it. I've always suspected this was an urban myth to get tourists to buy Tequila. The buttons are the way to go for anyone else thinking of starting a drug problem, or at least taking a different perspective on things, which a drug like this can give you sometimes.

that was a valid response from Hal, he kept it to the point without bullshiting
if you didnt catch sincerity in there then i dont know what to say.
as for eating peyote, dont. please. Its an endagered plant that is slowly fading out
theres much better ways of getting mescaline than killing off a dying plant from so many poachers already

in fairness "you're sick, seriously" is a reasonably belittling comment to make. if the question or post was inappropriate, then I apologise, but it could have just been closed or removed without having to say that.

But anyway, its his site, and he can say what he wants on it obviously, as he often makes clear, at the end of the day I'm a grown man and it doesnt really do me any damage.

Everyone can make their own decision about what this site is like and whether they want to be a part of it or not, so I wouldnt really say its disgraceful or anything like that.

Your insults are uncalled for.
And really serve no purpose.

But, at least you have been noticed.

People always amaze me. It amazes me how telling someone that they are sick, when they are, is somehow a belittling comment. Truth hurts......

Here's some more truth that'll hurt. Anyone who lives like this is seriously sick:
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/attachm...tid=8645&stc=1
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/attachm...tid=8646&stc=1
Now someone please try and tell me that I'm wrong................
Living like that is just a starting point. Then throw in drug and alcohol abuse to escape it.....

Anyonw who uses drugs and alcohol to escape from the world is sick, and needs to seek professional help. That's the plain and simple truth. The rest of you that don't agree with this are just failing to face the facts.

Are you saying that thats SF's room? So who is living like that? the shelfs still look ok.

Being messy equates to being seriously sick???

Whatever dude. You are the sick one if you can't accept that not everyone does things the way you think they should be done.

hey guys

mescaline?
remember?
the thing this thread was started about?

lets try and talk about that again instead of threadjacking and driving it straight into a brick wall.

i've never taken it but i know one person who has. he confirms that its right around the shrooms area in intensity level.

Shit, while we're at it, let's point out all his other flaws too! That'll really help him!

Anyway, I've never done mescaline, but I've been to Baja and I've been told some pretty crazy stories about locals eating buttons.

And your point is?


Mr Mephisto

Offtopic but: Religious purposes excluded, right? Because plenty of tribal shamans use drugs to escape reality, but for entirely different purposes.

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I don't believe in any form of religion at all. So I guess that means religion is never factored into any decisions that I make or opinions that I have.

So is religion excluded enough for you?

Purple microdot mescaline - 1 time (New Jersey, 1984)

Chocolate mescaline - 1 time (Deep Ellum, Dallas, 1986)

Both experiences were extremely mellow, with mild hallucinations.

I live in Tucson as of right now. About 1 out of every 3 yards has San Pedro Cactus (a decorative cactus available at most home depots). I make mescaline maybe 3-4 times a year. I've made tea, i've made milkshakes (not the best idea ever had by one of my friends), we cut it into strips and baked it one time. It's always a great experience going through all of the hours of preparation with a few close friends, and then having a relaxing evening in another frame of mind. I love the stuff, but i can understand it being a bit heavy for anybody that isn’t serious about hallucinogens.
P.S. I hold a 7:30-4 job, do some school, have a very clean home, and healthy family and friend relationships. The whole drug users cant be active members of society stuff is nonsense. It's my body, and while respecting everyone else's body, i'll do what i want to it.

"On his white horse Mescalito,
He comes breezin' through town.
I bet your woman's up in bed with old
Panama Red."

------------NRPS

Discussions of how to use, buy, or get illegal drugs may not take place in the public areas of the forums.

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=45061

Has everyone forgotten about this rule?

About that, is it ok to post about gettting say pot legally? Like could I talk about where to get pot in amsterdam where its practically legal or is that a no go as well?

I don't really intendo on posting anyting like that I'm just curious.

I'm guessing that if you did it in the "Holland" section it would be okay.

Just stick with "no" to anything that has to do with what you have permission to post about and you'll be fine.

Hmm, what a productive thread.

I guess before this gets locked, Ill give my perspective into the SF post, given that I was the first one to comment on it, and my comment was along the lines of "get help."

I didnt say that because of his wanting to try a certain drug. I said it because, like Hal, Ive seen a long history of self-degrading posts on his part that point to depression. Not just "man, what a shitty day" kind of posts, but things that seriously make you wonder. Then I saw that post, and figured I had to say something. Sure, I could have misinterpreted it--like Mephisto said, theres a cultural difference here. But given his long history of posts pointing towards depression and substance abuse, I thought, and still think, that he needs to seek help, of the professional sort. I stand by what I said, and I dont think that it was out of my place to speak up when I see someone in a community I care about going down on a destructive cycle.

Now, SF, if you read this, dont take it the wrong way. While there is nothing personal going on here, it is of a personal nature, and I must apologize for that. I do, however, still stand by my original post--please, get some help.

i have not read the thread being referred to above, and do not want to get into any of it.
i'll just tell something of my experience
mescaline is a lower-level hallucinogen.
i do not think any of them are recreational drugs, personally.
particularly if there is something going on with you emotionally, personally, affectively at the point you drop--it can be a type of brutal semi-controlled self-examination once the voyage is underway.
it is not an escape kinda thing.
it does not turn anything off in your head--except maybe some of the conventions that enable you to imagine a particular type of separation between yourself and your environment, between your ego and the rest of the psychic apparatus.

it is possible that i encountered hallucinogens at a strange moment, one during which the castenada framing (tripping as ritual, as "vision-quest" as part of a type of education) was a big deal--and that this combined with something in my disposition to create and maintain the idea that these drugs can enable you to see things/find things that could be important, either positive or negative. i say this because i do know a couple folk who treat mushrooms and mesclaine as recreation. but i do not understand that attitude myself, and would not endorse it.

if you dont know why you are doing it, dont.

I tried mescaline once, didn't really do anything for me. I still prefer LSD as my hallucinogen of choice.

Roachboy hallucinigens are used as recreational drugs because quite frankly you can geek out like crazy and have fun acting like a child while on them. Personally I try to have a great time while trying to get something out of the trip at the same time.

I just want to put out a word of caution: hallucinigens can cause some scary side effects. My husband used to do them and he had flashbacks for years afterwards and had several bad "trips", one of which sent him to a hospital. My brother was a frequent user of hallucinigens and developed schizophrenia; hallucinigenic drug use has been linked to the development of this disease. It doesn't bother me if people use drugs, to each their own, but please be careful if you decide to use them.

Yeah, be careful. Only do it with people you trust and who are experienced with that kind of thing.

I once had a bad trip on acid, and if my friends weren't there to help me out, something seriously bad could have happened to me.

edited for hostile content

Good job guys.

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=81512

Good job.



Mr Mephisto

Thats some pretty gnarly alienation guys. I thought this community was about the exact opposite of how you were treating SF. Bummer, my opinion of TFP has definitely gone down a notch.

No one member will use the board's resources for nothing other than to garner sympathy and attention. You're all allowed to be individuals here, but when 90% of the shit you post is "look at me and how pathetic I am, whine whine whine" there is nothing that we can do to help you. It aint gonna work. You have to seek professional attention and learn to leave that stuff OFF the internet. It was his decision to leave. We never told him to leave. However, now, it's the best decision for both parties. We wish him the best and hope he gets well.

Back to our originally scheduled program.

The side effects of hallucinogens are definitely there. I did LSD a handful of times back in college, and it would produce pretty severe dyslexia in me for a considerable period of time afterwards. Wasn't worth the price...

I've had a lot of fun on some hallucinogens. Never had any negative effects either, I do feel like I got something out of them though.

One thing I don't get is why people say flashbacks are a bad thing, unless its a flashback from a bad trip, then I could understand. I wish I would get flashbacks from my trips.

People use substances to escape all the time. Escape, relax, etc.. whatever.

I've been interested in taking a nice escape from reality with a bit of peyote or mescaline, but I'm too afraid of having a bad experience... I don't want to end up ripping my skin off, or chasing after my friend because I think he's a demon and end up eating his lung or something.

Hell, I can hardly tolerate weed without getting to paranoid! I've read a lot from Huxley and other authors who enjoy the use of psychadelics, and it definitely seems like a mind-opening experience!

If there was a way to insure a nice, safe trip, count me in!

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I know the one post that I contributed to this thread was out of genuine concern and not anything else. These types of drugs can seriously fuck you up and I wanted him to take that into consideration before taking something for a little fun/escape/whatever.

I don't know.

I like(d) StrangeFamous and didn't think 90% of what he posted was looking for sympathy or attention.

Mr Mephisto

I also think the linking of this thread to his thread about the state of his living area was uncalled for, and constituted a personal attack. I've been watching this situation develop all week, and it's really not been very pretty at all.

I agree I feel like everyone overreacted to SF incident, but it is halx's board and he calls the shots so....

I have heard that mushrooms are pretty safe, but I have still seen people freak out on them. With psychadelics, I think you have to be in the right frame of mind to really enjoy them. You have to be a pretty positive and easygoing person to not freak out.

But I am really not an expert. I would probably freak the fuck out if I did anything like that. I am just basing all this on what I have seen with my friends.

Can we get back on topic or should this thread get closed as well? This thread isn't about garnering support for a member or for ridiculing a member. IMHO, if you come into this thread to post about a previous thread then you should just hit the back button.


That being said, I've never tried mescaline. It's on the agenda although I doubt I'll ever get around to doing it. I'm kinda out of that whole phase now. There are just more important things for me, i.e. alcohol :D

It is highly irritating when I come across persons who attempt to pass their opinion off as facts, or say that people who believe differently are obviously wrong. Especially on a topic as subjective as this.

Well sometimes just what we need (compassion and mutual respect) is not what we get... :(

There is no such thing as 'microdot' mescaline. You were sold acid.

I've never done mescaline, but I have read a bit about it. There are many people out there who "think" they have done mescaline when in reality, they were just given acid by someone calling it mescaline.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mesc...ne_info2.shtml

It can be made into a pill form but it is VERY rare. If a typical dose is about 350 mg, you'd need at least that much binder. Therefore, you're looking at a pill nearly 1000 mg. That is a big pill. Basically, if someone trys to sell you mescaline in a pill form tell them to fuck off because either they don't know what they are selling (very bad idea) or are intentionally trying to rip you off (I'm sure a 'microdot mescaline' pill would sell for at least 3 times what acid would sell for,right?).

Interesting Kutulu, good information for those of us who explore at times.

Well I'd love to not talk about Strange Famous but I can't agree with whats been said about him. I guess I haven't read all his posts that well. But I mean what he's supposedly doing...I've seen plenty of people on here do the same thing from time to time. Myself included. I don't think theres anything wrong with it. There have been direct personal attacks. Things that NORMALLY will get a thread shut down and have you banned or at least warned. Regardless of what he uses for his release whether it be seriously or just metaphorically we all have our releases...mine is music. Anyways regardless of the intention those were insults and didn't show much thought of tact before saying them. I don't think thats fair to him. Sorry to add to this flame but I had something to say and I said it.

Asta!!

Tolerant? Open-minded? Ha! I laugh at thee. This place is p.c. and VERY touchey. I think my very first post was altered, because of the "excessive sarcasm." Try TheForum, you can get away with almost anything there.

I think Strange Famous has been harshly treated here. There are plenty of people who use this board to get attention ("look at me, look how kinky I am, I am the very essence of sexuality, admire me" being one of the more obvious types), even doing so in the guise of giving advice, and they are permitted to do so.

On occasions Strange Famous has made posts where he genuinely wanted help and advice, in some instances the sort of help and advice that you don't want to speak about to someone in person about, but would rather use the anonymity of the internet and the tolerance of the TFP for. In the "Messy Room" post he wasn't even doing that - he was opening up and letting us get to know him a bit better. Bill O'Rights even commented, "How many here would have the guts to lay themselves bare like that?" and yet some here are using that very openness and honesty against him. This is not what I thought the TFP was about.

There have been people posting here about what are, in my opinion, really twisted topics, but no-one called them "sick." And unless you're a psychiatrist, telling someone that it's a fact that they're sick and need professional help is just not on.