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BentNotTwisted 10-21-2003 01:23 AM

Smokers flicking cigarette buts out the car window
 
For starters, I don't smoke cigarettes. I used to smoke socially when I'd had a LOT to drink and wanted a quick nicotine buzz, but I'd always dispose of them properly. Can anyone tell me why it is that some smokers feel they have the right to toss their cigarette butts out the car window? Do they not understand the concept of littering? Do they feel they can trash their bodies with cigarette smoke and thus justify trashing the planet with those bits of crap? I have a car without an ashtray. I carry around a small plastic sack to keep bits of trash in. When the sack is full, I emtpy it into a trash can, I don't dump the stuff in some parking lot or thow it out the window as I am crusing down the road. If you do throw your butts out the window, don't give me the excuse that the car you drive has no ashtray. That's no reason not to get a portable ashtray and disposing of those butts properly.
To learn more about this subject I searched Google for cigarette. The third hit down was: http://www.cigarettelitter.org. I was a bit shocked that it would show up so high in the search list until I realized how many other people are interested in the topic as well.
One last story. A while back I was hanging out on a pedestrian mall with a couple of friends that smoke. When they finished they tossed their butts onto the curb. When I told them not to throw their trash on the ground, one said 'Why not? The street sweeper has to have something to pick up.' Sheesh :rolleyes: Talk about a rationalization.

Doos 10-21-2003 06:22 AM

And the fire hazard. We have a huge arid bit in the centre of the country but you still see idiots tossing butts in Summer when everything is dry. :rolleyes:

MSD 10-21-2003 07:53 AM

I wanted to kill the driver in front of me when he threw a cigarette butt out of the window and it exploded into a shower of sparks on my hood. It didn't cause a lot of damage, but it almost gave me a heart attack.

laconic1 10-21-2003 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Doos
And the fire hazard. We have a huge arid bit in the centre of the country but you still see idiots tossing butts in Summer when everything is dry. :rolleyes:
We have had numerous forest fires in the western U.S. caused by dumbasses throwing cigarette butts out the window. I don't see what the big deal is. Most cars have ashtrays that are covered and are easily removed to empty.

mb99usa 10-21-2003 10:27 AM

I have to admit that when I used to smoke I was guilty of this. It was simply a convience thing. I'm not proud of it and hate having to clean butts up from my yard after parties. I have since learned the error of my ways.

numist 10-21-2003 10:56 AM

wish I had a bulldozer when I see it, sort 'em out real quick.

one of my very few pet peeves

jvwgtr 10-21-2003 10:59 AM

It's one of my pet peeves as well.
Huge fire hazard here during dry spells.

Used to just LOVE getting beaned by lit cigarettes when I rode behind somebody on my motorcycle.

Of course, smoking itself is not the most intelligent activity to begin with.

shannon 10-21-2003 11:01 AM

i think i hate smoking more than littering to be honest, so i think i would be unfairly harsh here.

alkaloid 10-21-2003 11:56 AM

i really hate it when the glowing butt flies directly into my windshield. It freaks me out. I have never known a smoker who does not litter. Have you?

Spritebox 10-21-2003 12:17 PM

When I smoke in my car, I just put the butts in an empty pepsi can or an empty taco bell cup. It's not hard.

tekaweni 10-21-2003 01:28 PM

I'd ask more why you insist on pouring carbon monoxide out the exhaust of your car and impair my breathing, than how my one-inch (bio-degradable) butt impacts on your life.

I smoke cigs. I dont drive. Which fucks up all of our air more?

Sheesh

pocon1 10-21-2003 02:21 PM

Tekaweni, with cars you can argue that they have a valid purpose, like transportation, but cigarrettes do not have any valid purpose. I will think about you the next time I wrap my lips around my tailpipe and breathe deep. Plus, I have never heard that cigarrette butts are biodegradeable. And does not driving a car allow you credits for littering? Hmm?
I have often been tempted to jump out at lights when someone drops their cig on the ground and say "excuse me, you dropped this" as I toss it into their lap or the back seat of their car. I figure if they try to get out, I can just hold their door shut until they drive away. They can't get out until I let go. If I ever do it, I will also have my mace in my hand and say, "it's just not worth it, buddy. Drive on. "

BentNotTwisted 10-21-2003 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tekaweni
I'd ask more why you insist on pouring carbon monoxide out the exhaust of your car and impair my breathing, than how my one-inch (bio-degradable) butt impacts on your life.

I smoke cigs. I dont drive. Which fucks up all of our air more?

Sheesh

Actually, I wasn't talking about air pollution. Unfortunately, living in America usually means driving to get anywhere. Outside major metropolitan areas an automobile is not a luxury, it is a necessity. I admit we have really crappy public transportation, I blame it on the oil and auto industries. I drive a (fairly) fuel efficient vehicle and take it easy on the gas to reduce pollution. Tekaweni, do you take the time to throw your cigarette butts in an ash tray or just toss them on the street?

LutherMac 10-21-2003 02:59 PM

My wife does this, and I really can't stand it when she does. She also has no problems throwing various other things out of windows... pizza crusts, unfinished food, etc... she says that a little critter will get it... and it won't be there for long... sheesh...

a2k 10-21-2003 03:13 PM

Tekaweni, when someone who drives throws their used and broken car parts on the sidewalk, I'm just as unhappy. It just doesn't happen as often.

majik_6 10-21-2003 04:14 PM

I used to be VERY careful to NEVER throw my butts on the ground. I always knocked off the cherry, stomped that, then disposed of the butt however possible. But, after nearly lighting myself and my car on fire Lord knows how many times, I've given up. If I'm smoking a cigar, it goes in the ashtray, but for cigarettes, it's right out the window. If available, I will use a cup or bottle...but if it spills nasty cigarette water (gotta have a little water to put out the embers), then my car stinks for daaaaays (of course, leaving the butt in the ashtray does that too).

I was very unsure of this process, until I noticed that most cops that smoke ash out the window, and some dispose of butts that way, as well. And as far as dropping them on sidewalks, I noticed that all of the maintenance/cleaning crew at school throws their's down, and they're the ones that have to clean the place!

With that said, I am conscious of certain situations in which it is VERY inappropriate to throw the butts on the ground, and as such, I dispose of them properly. And I use the ashtrays outside buildings whenever possible.

bermuDa 10-21-2003 04:34 PM

I hate people who don't dispose of their cigarette butts properly, PERIOD. I don't care if it looks cool that you throw it away and don't seem to care about littering, it's fucking obnoxious and it makes our planet look like shit.

I don't care about pollutants, there are too many of them to complain about, but littering is something that can be easily avoided. put your trash where it belongs or smoke the rest of the filter.

pocon1 10-21-2003 05:31 PM

Hey Bones, if the earth is your trashcan, you won't mind if I come over and shit in your yard, do you? I guess the earth will be my toilet.

rogue49 10-21-2003 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bones
i do it all the time, im not ashamed of it.
sounds ignorant, but just my opinion

Not ignorant...just inconsiderate & sloppy
Just my opinion.

TheClarkster 10-21-2003 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by majik_6
If available, I will use a cup or bottle...but if it spills nasty cigarette water (gotta have a little water to put out the embers), then my car stinks for daaaaays (of course, leaving the butt in the ashtray does that too).
Sorry to tell you, but if you already are smoking, you/your car probably smell pretty bad already. Just guessing though. I figured it was pretty safe to assume that all smokers smelled the same.

Doos 10-21-2003 11:31 PM

Butts are not biodegradable. Just do a google and see for yourself.

BentNotTwisted 10-22-2003 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheClarkster
Sorry to tell you, but if you already are smoking, you/your car probably smell pretty bad already. Just guessing though. I figured it was pretty safe to assume that all smokers smelled the same.
This is definitely true. I thing most smokers don't realize how much their homes or vehicles stink because they are used to the smell. I will never buy a used vehicle from a smoker because the smell will never be gone.
Quote:

Originally posted by Doos
Butts are not biodegradable. Just do a google and see for yourself.
If you check out the link I posted you will see that cigarette butts are not biodegradeable in the sense that most people think of. Tossing an unfinished piece of fruit out the window is still tacky, but at least it will degrade within a week or two. Cigarette filters take years to degrade and during that time the chemicals which were filtered are leached into the nearest groundwater.

Doos 10-22-2003 05:32 AM

Fruit can take years to biodegrade, an orange peel dropped in the fynbos here by us can last for 2 or more
years

BentNotTwisted 10-22-2003 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Doos
Fruit can take years to biodegrade, an orange peel dropped in the fynbos here by us can last for 2 or more
years

Cut me some slack here. My point was that a piece of fruit will degrade into natural byproducts. It seems the Fynbos is an arid region and that will affect the length of time something takes to degrade. If it takes an orange peel years to degrade in the Fynbos, just imagine how long it would take a cigarette butt and how much damage it would do the the ecology.

quadro2000 10-22-2003 10:24 AM

Thanks for posting this. I never understood why smokers feel it's okay to just drop their shit on the ground. If I was a smoker, I'd never be able to do that. Littering is littering. I'd have to find someplace to throw it out.

Mr. Creosote 10-22-2003 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheClarkster
Sorry to tell you, but if you already are smoking, you/your car probably smell pretty bad already. Just guessing though. I figured it was pretty safe to assume that all smokers smelled the same.

Gotta agree with you there. If you are concerned about your car stinking, sorry folks, it already does. So do you. So do your clothes. So does your house. I don't understand how smokers can stand the smell of themselves. I guess they just tune it out. Too bad the rest of us can't. I guarantee you won't smell any worse by keeping the butt in your car, so do everyone else a favor and keep it in there.

Nisses 10-22-2003 03:21 PM

You can't? Try it :D

If a smoker smells it, it means it smells worse, since they already "tuned out" the regular smell non-smokers so readily detest.

pocon1 10-22-2003 05:29 PM

The one nice thing about cigarette smokers is that the addiction is self-limiting. Eventually they will take care of themselves through attrition. Bye-Bye, what did you want on your tombstone? How about "I am the author of my own mortality, and no one can take that from me. Cough cough, hackcckk."

Sparhawk 10-22-2003 06:23 PM

This practice annoys the fuck out of me. Somewhere between the yankees winning the world series and someone raping my sister on the annoyance scale.

rogue49 10-22-2003 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bones
/me tosses a butt onto the floor.
not cool.

Doos 10-23-2003 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BentNotTwisted
It seems the Fynbos is an arid region and that will affect the length of time something takes to degrade.
No, its quite wet (>400mm pa). The limiting factor is that the moisture is seasonal and the temperature fluctuates as well. We have a mediterranean climate which = warm dry summers & cold wet winters.

For bacterial activity to be optimum, you need warm moist conditions. This explains the rapid decomposition of stuff in the Amazon (for example) and why your peel in the tundra could well stay there for 10 or more years.

petergriffin24 10-23-2003 09:46 AM

yeah I can't stand that it is dangerous especially at night when you are following someone and not really paying attention and you see that shower of sparks, I have swerved a couple of times, not to mention it is disgusting and litters the sides of roads everywhere!!

Nisses 10-23-2003 12:52 PM

what are you doing driving at night, following someone and *NOT* paying attention?

gophtc 10-23-2003 02:09 PM

Bones, it's apparent that there are many people who aren't going to care nor listen. (Are you even reading the posts in this thread; you have said nothing in response?)
People do things for a reason. Maybe you could defend your side of the issue or at least express some intelligible feeling.
This isn't a poll or survey. And you should save your retorts and remarks for an actual conversation.

gophtc 10-23-2003 02:14 PM

Oh yea, I once saw a cheese cracker on the side of the street that somehow melted or melded with the street. It's been there for years through rain and snow.

anleja 10-23-2003 05:05 PM

I live near Lake Michigan, and once in a while a bunch of people gather all the butts (thousands of them) and deliver them to the cigarette company.

I used to toss em out the window up till about a year ago, then I decided to simply use the ashtray. I think I stopped throwing them out the window when I heard birds were choking on them, I don't quite remember, but now I'm perfectly accustomed to using an ashtray.

micah67 10-23-2003 05:13 PM

My gf and I were waiting to exit a parking lot. The car in front of us was sitting, waiting for street traffic to clear to exit when the passenger dumped the ashtray full of cigarette butts out her window. My gf was out of the car and was at their window in record time and firmly told her to pick up their trash or she'd have them arrested for littering. They picked it all up...

petergriffin24 10-24-2003 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nisses
what are you doing driving at night, following someone and *NOT* paying attention?

I, of course am paying attention to the driving but you never experience when you are not directly staring at the car in front of you and they swerve, or flick a butt or something of that nature which causes you to notice!! That's what I meant

neddy65 10-24-2003 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by micah67
My gf and I were waiting to exit a parking lot. The car in front of us was sitting, waiting for street traffic to clear to exit when the passenger dumped the ashtray full of cigarette butts out her window. My gf was out of the car and was at their window in record time and firmly told her to pick up their trash or she'd have them arrested for littering. They picked it all up...


Please give your GF a hug and kiss from me. I detest this habit and no amount of smartass answers from bones can rationalize it. My pet peeve in this vein are smoking areas. Outside our local hospital are clearly marked benches( with huge ashtrays) for smoking, and all the benches around these areas( the non-smoking benches) are surrounded by crushed butts. the smoking benches are also surrounded by butts because, and I can only assume, it is really hard to lift your arm up to dispose of your cigarette in the receptical provided.

strcrssd 10-27-2003 10:50 PM

We're having a similar problem at our campus.

The Student Government Association is trying to add more cig butt recepticals, but it can be hard to justify them because a lot of the existing ones (placed in especially convenient areas) are not utilized.

IC3 10-28-2003 08:31 AM

I usually keep a empty pop can in my car and use it as an ashtray...But when I don't have one, They are going out the window.

I actually got pulled over one time for throwing a butt out the window.

It was raining + The girl was on a bicycle = Pissed off cop...So she was a total bitch about it too.

If your wondering, I was stopped at a red light and she was behind me.

It seemed like her biggest problem was that it could have started a fire....It was friggin raining out. She just gave me shit then let me go.

So ya, I guess that makes me a litter bug. I never dispose of garbage or anything like that out my car window or in any other way...It always finds a trash can. Just butts.

anti fishstick 10-28-2003 08:40 AM

i just hate it cos sometimes the butts go to the back window and hit me on the face or something >_<

micah67 10-28-2003 09:46 AM

OK, this story I'm not too proud of. My only excuse is that I was young.

I was the passenger in a car, first in line for our lane, at a red light. The guy in the car waiting to my right tossed his butt out the window. I didn't think, I just got out of the car picked it up and tossed it back in his window saying, "You dropped this." I don't remember what the guy looked like or anything. I only remember the shocked look on my friend's face as I got back in the car as the light turned green. My friend got us out of there pronto. He said the other car never moved in his rear view mirror; the guy must've been scrambling to find the smoldering butt.

neddy65 10-29-2003 06:14 AM

I've always wanted to do that!!!!
Huzzah Micah!!!!!!

dominator 10-29-2003 11:12 AM

I feel like carying a little box of stones in my car with me, and every time somebody throws a butt out their window infront of me, i'd get infront of them and throw a rock out my window and see how they like it. Hey, if they want to light stuff on fire and throw it out their window at me then they should be prepared to have things thrown back at them. am i right?

Cycler 10-29-2003 03:56 PM

Unthinking people, it's trash, trash need sto be deposed of properly. It just makes you look foolish to throw it wherever.

yellowgowild 10-29-2003 04:30 PM

We could always collect a few hundred butts and then fed-ex them to the offenders while they're at work.

micah67 10-30-2003 10:53 AM

Oh boy, yellowgowild just reminded me of another instance...

Some neighbors of ours (in our last house) rented out several rooms in their house. The house rules stated no smoking so they'd usually smoke in front of the house and toss their butts into the street. My gf hated that and one morning collected all she could find and placed them on the hood of one of their cars. She made no secret of it - she wanted the practice to stop and all requests had been ignored.

Well the owner of the car came over later extremely pissed off. He started cussing and yelling at her about the damage done to his paint job (there was none). She calmly explained why she did it but this guy was livid...

Unfortunately, this guy caught her as she was rolling up the garden hose, the kind with the hand spray nozzle... She eventually had enough and finally pointed it at him and gave him a quick squirt in the face. The look on his face was priceless: utter disbelief. He sputtered and started calling her names in an hysterical voice. So she calmly turned the hose back on and started hosing him up and down. He eventually made a retreat.

The butt problem resolved itself after that.

nut_runner 10-30-2003 01:24 PM

My girlfriend used to smoke. I wouldn't let her smoke in my house, so she'd have to on the porch, where there was a coffee can for her butts and ashes.

One day, I loaded all the used butts into a plastic bag and took them with me in my car. The next day, sure enough, some idiot in front of me on the freeway tossed his butt out and the sparks came across my hood (not causing damage, but certainly peeving me off).

So, I passed him, got in front of him and dumped half the bag out my window, making sure it would hit his car.

Yeah, I littered (ONCE).......but it was PRICELESS to see the guy swerve halfway off the road.

TinniT 10-30-2003 09:46 PM

Hi i live in southern california.

My backyard is on fire.

people who flick cigarettes out the window need to die painfully.

yellowgowild 11-02-2003 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nut_runner
My girlfriend used to smoke. I wouldn't let her smoke in my house, so she'd have to on the porch, where there was a coffee can for her butts and ashes.

One day, I loaded all the used butts into a plastic bag and took them with me in my car. The next day, sure enough, some idiot in front of me on the freeway tossed his butt out and the sparks came across my hood (not causing damage, but certainly peeving me off).

So, I passed him, got in front of him and dumped half the bag out my window, making sure it would hit his car.

Yeah, I littered (ONCE).......but it was PRICELESS to see the guy swerve halfway off the road.

I agree, it seems like it was worth it.

jbrooks544 11-02-2003 05:32 PM

I've always put cigs out on the sidewalk and flicked them out the window. I don't live in a place that could catch on fire, so that really isn't an issue. I never really thought of it as littering. I don't EVER litter, etc. If anything, I pick up other people's trash sometimes. I guess I just never thought of it. They are just such itty bitty things... and ashing and stubbing in your tray makes you car smell bad. Now that I have been enlightened, perhaps I will try to find some kind of ashtray that I could use (not the one in the car - no way) Anyone help me out with the portable, air tight product to help me mend my ways?

pocon1 11-03-2003 04:36 PM

I have a suggestion jbrooks, stop smoking. Good for you, good for the environment, good for your wallet.

Spinach_Indeed 11-04-2003 06:32 PM

You're not going to stop harming your body or the environment. You use Hair Spray, You eat Fatty foods, You drive a car instead of a bicycle. There's a million things you could do every day to help your body and the world, but nobody does them.

I have to agree with Bones, you're not going to change anyone's opinion on the subject, only inflate your own "righteousness".

I can't reach my ashtray in my car because I'm so short that I have to pull the seat forward as far it will go. I flick my cigarettes out the window. I don't toss them into Grass or into Gasoline, and a cigarette in the middle of the road isn't going to hurt the environment anymore than it already is.

la petite moi 11-05-2003 10:26 AM

Yeah, that last comment you made was something like what my sister said a long time ago. We were out at dinner, and she was about 13 years old and she said: Hey, smoker! Pick up your trash! She snarled at my sister and stomped on it with her heel, and then turned her back to us. Herr.

H12 11-06-2003 08:49 PM

I hate smoke of any kind, especially from smokers.
I hate litter of any kind, especially items that don't biodegrade easily.
When you mix the two together, you have a really pissed teenage Tennessean.

Quote:

Originally posted by pocon1
I have often been tempted to jump out at lights when someone drops their cig on the ground and say "excuse me, you dropped this" as I toss it into their lap or the back seat of their car. I figure if they try to get out, I can just hold their door shut until they drive away. They can't get out until I let go. If I ever do it, I will also have my mace in my hand and say, "it's just not worth it, buddy. Drive on. "
He he he, that'd be awesome to see.

11-07-2003 08:27 PM

Throwing cigarettes butts out of a moving veilical or anywhere else for that matter is not only irresponsible but it’s KILLING the wildlife! :(


1 smoker = 1 pack a day (Average) = 20 butts
It’s hard to say how many smokers there are. You do the math.

In response to the people who think it’s just a little thing, well your butt goes from the road, sidewalk, parking lot etc. into drainage ditches/sewers that flow into rivers & oceans. Fish, birds, turtles and just about every unsuspecting hungry creture will try to or eat the butt (FIBERGLASS), not a good source of nutrition (TOXIC) and unfortunately for them wind up sick, dieing or DEAD. :mad:

Yes, the sad truth is this world is decaying and there is nothing we can do about it.
But common think about it. Do you really want to KILL those little animals?
However, if you are an evil sadistic prick. Then you obvious don’t give a shit!


As for those who think picking up a discarded butt and throwing back onto someone’s car. WOW! That takes real balls. Answer me this…are you perfect? You mean to tell us that you have never littered in your entire life. In addition, are you going to continue existing on this planet with out contributing to some sort of pollution. :lol:
Oh how I love self-ritechus people.
:rolleyes:

You’re going to do that to the wrong person one day an wind up dead. In fact, I smoke, not that I toss my butts out the window, but if I did and someone through it back at me that would be the last thing they ever did.

Two wrongs don’t make a right!

yster 11-10-2003 09:25 PM

give it up
 
It's hard enough to get your average joe to not litter, but smokers have already proven themselves to be completely uncaring that they're poisoning and choking everyone around them. Some people seem to think 'hey, only hurting myself', but secondhand smoke has already been established as having a causal link to cancer, asthma, etc. There is not another vice on the planet so common, that has such horrible repercussions. Expecting someone who doesn't care if they indirectly poison other people to care if they indirectly poison something as ambiguous a concept as possible eco-damage... I mean, come on =p
Not all smokers are uncaring, of course, some are very careful to only smoke in their own homes, not around children, etc. But as a whole group, it should be obvious they're going to be a lot more likely to litter, and clearly more likely to not look at the long term effects of things.

Hrothgar 11-10-2003 09:54 PM

I had an ex that used to throw fruit and other foods out the window. Her claim was it was biodegradeable and therefore OK. I felt embarrased though.

majik_6 11-10-2003 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Average-Joe
In fact, I smoke, not that I toss my butts out the window, but if I did and someone through it back at me that would be the last thing they ever did.

This made me laugh! When I first read the original comment about throwing the butt back in the car, I thought about my best friend (a pack a day smoker who LOVES his car and is an amateur boxer and prison guard-aka, he's never without OC spray and a large knife) and myself (pack to pack and half, also LOVE my car-250 pounds, 6'0").

Neither of us are violent, but I think something like this would be enough for me to get out and take care of the matter face to face. I'm not saying I'd return the violence, but I'd have to try hard not to. I'd try to keep it to the "stern talking-to" stage. :) I'm not sure he'd remain quite as calm.

This is not an equivalent reaction to someone throwing their butt out the window. This could cause SERIOUS damage to the person or their property, and I would not be at all suprised if it resulted in some serious bodily harm to the person deciding to throw the butt back into the car, or possible legal action.

Just to clarify, I'm not making any sort of threats (I'm the biggest wimp you'll ever meet), I'm just saying, people just need to think before they do something like that. When I was a little younger, I used to do stuff like that (nothing that could cause that much damage), and I almost got my hind side beaten because of it. It's easy to say something online (much like I'm doing right now, ironically:) ), but in real life, there can be some very unpleasant consequences.

And for anyone that doesn't think a cigarette butt thrown back could do damage, trust me, it can. I had one fly into my car last week and get trapped behind the seat and my back. I don't believe I have to stress how unpleasant that was! :)

jbrooks544 11-11-2003 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pocon1
I have a suggestion jbrooks, stop smoking. Good for you, good for the environment, good for your wallet.
Boy, what an intelligent suggestion! I would have never thought of this! Thank you for your thoughtful comments (not).

I just have to say, generally, in this thread there are a lot of real gems. My original post said (something like) that I was glad to have been made aware of this issue and that I would try to mend my ways.

Sad to say that a lot of these posts look like the sorry combination of "just say no" ism and misguided eco conformists.

Comments like: "Oh, save bambi and don't litter", etc. and "I would love to shove the but right up the guy's"... etc. don't help anything. They just make you sound silly. I'm not trying to justify littering, but really, our environment isn't going to implode b/c of cig butts, really now, really... And go ahead and try your throwing cigs back into cars trick and see how long it takes to get hurt or shot.

If you really care, then do something to make this a known issue. This way, people may change their behaviour. Don't assume all smokers are idiots, etc. because it just makes you sound silly. Smoking is an ADDICTION people. HEllo! What other addiction would it be ok to talk about this way?

Just playing devil's adv. to some degree here b/c there are too many silly just-say-no'ers sounding a tad weird here.

yellowgowild 11-11-2003 07:52 PM

Smoke as much as you want. Just not around me. To each their own.

11-12-2003 02:09 PM

Quote:

[i]Originally posted by jbrooks544

Comments like: "Oh, save bambi and don't litter"
I think you missed my POINT! It's obvious the cigarette butt issue won’t save this planet.
The human race is self-destructive.
My post was caffeine induced…So I went off a bit…
I did some research on Salmon a while back. And found that cigarette butts get caught in their gills causing them to die.

AS for sounding “SILLY”, well that’s your opinion. I am by far an activist. SHIT! I grew up in Brooklyn, NY. I thought flicking your butts on the floor was right thing to do.:cool:


The only reason I responded to this thread was to give those self-ritechus people some shit... throwing butts back at you. HA! What a joke! :lol:

Now everyone go out, HUG a tree an PISS on the flowers. :icare:

pocon1 11-12-2003 03:01 PM

majik_6 said:
And for anyone that doesn't think a cigarette butt thrown back could do damage, trust me, it can. I had one fly into my car last week and get trapped behind the seat and my back. I don't believe I have to stress how unpleasant that was!

Doesn't that illustrate to you why cig butts should not be thrown out windows? Hmm?

I mean, would it be too much to be courteous to to others around you? And average joe questioned whether I am perfect. When it comes to littering, yes I am. I don't litter. I recycle my newspapers, soda cans, motor oil, etc... I was a boy scout, and old habits don't die. I even clean up after myself in the movie theater. You all may think I am joking, but I have not knowingly dropped a piece of trash on the ground since I was maybe 5 years old.

Sparhawk 11-12-2003 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by pocon1
I mean, would it be too much to be courteous to to others around you? And average joe questioned whether I am perfect. When it comes to littering, yes I am. I don't litter. I recycle my newspapers, soda cans, motor oil, etc... I was a boy scout, and old habits don't die. I even clean up after myself in the movie theater. You all may think I am joking, but I have not knowingly dropped a piece of trash on the ground since I was maybe 5 years old.
That gets a:

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pocon1 11-12-2003 03:57 PM

I was hoping for a rubber cookie and a bozo button, but I will wear my medal with pride.

11-12-2003 04:36 PM

pocon1...I was implying that no matter how hard we try, ALL of us contribute to some sort of pollution.

Correct me if I’m wrong. You drive a car/truck. Which in turn is contributing to air pollution?
Quote:

And average joe questioned whether I am perfect., yes I am.
The original point of this thread was directed at BUTTS. NOT recycling.
Congratulations!! You an I practice the same recycling methods.


It seems that we are splitting hairs…its all being blown out of context.
How bout we argue the other fine points in another thread.
Leaving this one for BUTTS ONLY...
:p

majik_6 11-20-2003 12:19 AM

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Originally posted by pocon1

Doesn't that illustrate to you why cig butts should not be thrown out windows? Hmm?

I mean, would it be too much to be courteous to to others around you?

I agree, cigarette butts, whenever possible, should be disposed of properly.

That's not the point I was trying to make in the quoted post, however. When that happened with the cigarette in my car, I had in fact been trying to exclusively use the ashtray that I had specifically placed in my car after reading this thread (since my car doesn't have a factory ashtray). The point I was making, is that throwing a piece of burning ANYTHING into someone's car, is not a good idea. You never know who you may encounter.

And as for holding their door shut: in order to throw the butt out and then in again, the window's going to be down.

But I agree that all trash, including cigarettes, should be properly disposed of.

txlovely 11-20-2003 11:49 AM

Smoking is disgusting. Littering is disgusting. Not much else to say here.

Conclamo Ludus 11-20-2003 12:07 PM

I smoke. I toss my butts out the window without thinking. If I am smoking outdoors somewhere I extinguish the cigarette and take the butts with me to a trash can or appropriate container.

I toss my butts out the car window mainly out of convenience. I am an ass.

SirGoreaxe 11-20-2003 11:05 PM

I am an occasional cigar smoker, so I am not saying to stop smoking. And I am not a someone that is out to save the world. But I am out to save myself from some idiot that throws his buts out the window and hits my windshield. Because at that point you are not paying attention to the road, but at the cigaret that exploded on your windshield and don't pay attention to the tree that you are driving into.

bparker805 11-20-2003 11:37 PM

I cannot believe the amount of energy being put into this topic. can you imagine what could happen if it was redirrected into say a letter to your congressman about dropping bombs on inoccent people or how the crime levels in our communities are unacceptable or how the homeless need food and shelter or how our schools are underfunded or how we are sick and tired of Micheal Jackson molesting children. Get over yourselves and find a better cause... because youre not going to stop a smoker from flicking his butt on the ground.

Jelorian 11-21-2003 12:29 AM

I admit it, I used to throw my butts out the window. I soon stopped after I started riding a motorcycle and got hit by butts thrown out the window of the car in front of me. Nothing like a nice cigarette cherrie to hit you in the neck.

Now I use an empty bottle that has a screw cap. I don't even throw butts on the ground any more.

Next step, quit smoking all together.

txlovely 11-21-2003 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Conclamo Ludus
I smoke. I toss my butts out the window without thinking. If I am smoking outdoors somewhere I extinguish the cigarette and take the butts with me to a trash can or appropriate container.

I toss my butts out the car window mainly out of convenience. I am an ass.

An honest ass so we'll give you a point for that. :)

pocon1 11-21-2003 01:02 PM

bparker805,

All of those problems need to be fixed, too. But one thing at a time. Let's get the important stuff out of the way. Besides, if we don't litter butts, the homeless people will have cleaner streets to sleep on. I know, lets sell american cigarettes to countries we don't like, so they will all die of cancer. Oh wait, we already sell cigarettes to other countries.

Conclamo Ludus 11-21-2003 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by txlovely
An honest ass so we'll give you a point for that. :)
I figure if you are going to be an ass you might as well have some conviction.

The problem with me training myself away from this habit, is that every 2 months or so I quit altogether for a while. I try to quit forever, but sometimes forever only lasts for a couple of months. So when I start smoking again I fall back into the same habits over and over again. At least I'm more aware of it. Its rare that I smoke in my car anyway, it stinks like hell, then again so does my coat...:( Addiction blows...

Jonsgirl 11-21-2003 09:24 PM

So, if I'm a smoker (which I am) and I throw my butts out the car window (which I do) that makes me an evil, ignorant, uncivilized, bambi-killing, bitch?
No, I don't think so.
I'll admit that it's wrong, but why does it bother everyone so frelling much?
And did everyone read bparker's post? Cigarette butts may be an annoyance, but it's not a righteous cause, folks.
And if you want to fight over litter, why not pick beer bottles? If you think about it, is there ANY reason why those should be on the road? I may freak you out a little or tick you off, but I'm not putting you're life in immediate danger.

aa1037 11-21-2003 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by jvwgtr

Of course, smoking itself is not the most intelligent activity to begin with.

Haha good point

Cynthetiq 11-22-2003 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrSelfDestruct
I wanted to kill the driver in front of me when he threw a cigarette butt out of the window and it exploded into a shower of sparks on my hood. It didn't cause a lot of damage, but it almost gave me a heart attack.
now imagine yourself on a motorcycle... and it's even worse.

I had a friend in LA who was a motorcycle cop. He would give a citation to anyone that did that because it was a pet peeve of his. If the person getting the citation got irate or was an asshole. He'd take their cigarettes away from them as "evidence"

Sparhawk 11-22-2003 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by txlovely
Smoking is disgusting. Littering is disgusting. Not much else to say here.
Sums it up pretty well, I think.

VitaminH 11-22-2003 12:13 PM

I think the only thing smokers do more irritating than flicking their butt on my windshield is blow the secondhand in my face and not even say "oh sorry I didn't see you there." If i wasn't so passive I'd sit on their head and fart and see how they like a face full of stink.

RemyLebeau97 11-26-2003 11:24 PM

I remember me and my cousin were driving down the interstate and his dumb ass tried to throw a cigarette out the window and missed so it flew in the back seat then he damn near killed us trying to pull over and find it, burnt a huge ass hole in his leather seat, thats what he gets, fuckin retard.

Conclamo Ludus 12-11-2003 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Conclamo Ludus
I smoke. I toss my butts out the window without thinking. If I am smoking outdoors somewhere I extinguish the cigarette and take the butts with me to a trash can or appropriate container.

I toss my butts out the car window mainly out of convenience. I am an ass.

Instead of quitting throwing butts out the window, I found it easier to just quit smoking altogether. I'm not an ass anymore. Hurray.

thingstodo 12-11-2003 07:09 PM

Man, hat's off to your girl friend. She is cool.

I can't stand butts out the window. It's bad enough when you pull up at a light behind someone have have to turn your AC on recirculate because their smoke is stinking up your car. Or walk out the door of a mall and hack through all the smoke.

I finally kicked the habit 14 years ago after much practice.


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