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mirevolver · 10-20-2003, 03:59 PM

What would you want your leagacy to be. After you have gone, how would you like others to remember you. Would it just be friends and family, or would you like for many generations to know who you were?

My choice comes from a dream I once had:

I know it was set sometime in the future, I cannot be sure when. All I could guess at would be that it's at least 50 years past my natural lifespan.

I see a man walking along a street, and after walking for a few minutes, he stops at a building. Looking up the stairs at the building I can tell that it is a library. The man walks up the stairs and enters the building.

Once inside, he walks up to a computer terminal and begins searching through its database. After a few minutes, he stops and calls up an article, perhaps a book. As he's reading it, I try to read it also, except I can't. It's all jibberish to me. All except one thing, I see my name occur several times throughout the text.

After I woke up, I had a tremendus sense of self satisfaction.

prosequence · 10-20-2003, 06:21 PM

Friendship and warmth, I would like that to be my legacy. For it to passed on and remebered.

ForgottenKnight · 10-20-2003, 09:27 PM

My leagacy remains to be to be seen... it is a mystery... for those who knew me, they will remember intellegence, integratey, humor, and most importantly, true kindness as is rarely seen anymore on this earth. Whether I'll be known by only a select few, or by the entire world, remains to be seen. If I achieve in my lifelong dream/goal, then I will be remembered in the history books as one of the world's greatest astronauts.

lurkette · 10-21-2003, 06:00 AM

Interesting question. After you've answered it, the next question is "what are you doing to make this happen?"

I think about it on two different levels:

I'd like everyone who knew me - everyone I came in contact with - to be left knowing that I love them.

On a more global scale, I would love to be repsonsible in some way for a shift in peoples' attitudes - a greater awareness of the interrelatedness of all life on earth. I would love for the following sentiments to be internalized by a significant proportion of the world population:

- if one of us is chained, none of us is free
- do unto others as you would have them do unto you
- whatever you do unto the least of these, you do unto me
- love all people as though they were your only child

shannon · 10-21-2003, 11:51 AM

i think i like to give a lot, and i think i've always wanted to be a mother. i've never wanted to do anything that changes the world in the ways most people think of. i've never wanted to become a doctor and like cure cancer or anything like that, you know? but i've wanted to teach to everyone. i want to learn and learn and then pass that on, to my children as well as professionally. i think that would be my legacy. like maybe one of my students or children would change the world, and by doing so i would change the world. but seriously, we all change the world anyways. i mean by me not becoming a doctor maybe there will be some spot at med school and that kid who got in could cure cancer. or maybe i was in someone's way and because they were like a couple seconds late they missed a bus that proceeded to crash. and maybe that person, whose life i may have saved, went on to do some "great things". i just live my simple little life and hope that it will result in some good stuff. i don't think i care if i get credit, cause what does that really matter? i mean, you know what you did and you should take your own satisfaction in that. i don't know if i got off topic, i hope that made sense.

iktoweya · 10-22-2003, 12:12 PM

When i die i want a lot of people to say "Damn that guy really owed me a lot of money."

On a serious note though i want to be responsible for inventing something. more than likely likely it will be electronic. And it will start a whole new type of living as we know it. now will it happen??? maybe im sure hoping. we'll see

ARTelevision · 10-23-2003, 03:44 AM

I don't want to be remembered. I would prefer that people forget I ever existed and go on with their lives - remembering all the other people who have died - because that's the way people are. I can't really change that.

twotimesadingo · 10-23-2003, 07:28 PM

the first image my mind conjured up in answer to this question was a picture of Magus -- you know, from Chrono Trigger.

i guess i'd most like to be remembered as the enigmatic figure who tried to do his best. like Magus, my motives may never be fully understood, but (i hope) my influence is undeniable.

mirevolver · 10-31-2003, 11:43 PM

All very interesting.

As for my dream, I wish I had more information on why the man looked me up, but I guess that finding out will be what brings fun to my life.

justin218 · 11-01-2003, 12:50 PM

I'd like be known someday as someone who helped in some accomplishment that advanced mankind, like the space program did or something like that. but who knows.

JimmyTheHutt · 11-05-2003, 11:32 PM

This is kind of sad...

I want to be story used to frighten children.

I.E.
"Don't do x or JIMMY will get you!"

I like being the bad guy.

(I was voted most likely to be the basis for a slasher villain in high school)

Veritas en Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

Doos · 11-06-2003, 02:06 AM

As a great friend and a fun person to be with.

Also intend publishing a few stuff (scientific papers) so would like to be referenced often and be thought of thus by students *awe struck* "That Doos sure knew his stuff"

SabrinaFair · 11-06-2003, 08:29 AM

I would be more than content if at the end of my life, those who care about me can say, "Here's to Sabrina. She gave us love and laughter." That's more than enough for me.

numist · 11-06-2003, 10:18 AM

I would like those who knew me in life to have been impacted by my life, not my death.

As long as I am remembered in some good way, and as long as I made a positive difference in people's lives, I will be satisfied.

WarWagon · 11-06-2003, 12:36 PM

I'd like to be remembered for what I do at the track, something to be passed around when the buds down at the garage are having a couple beers late at night.

Sparhawk · 11-06-2003, 03:36 PM

I want to make a difference. I don't yet know how that's going to manifest itself, as I still have some growing up to do, but we'll see, won't we...

lordjeebus · 11-06-2003, 09:39 PM

I'm not especially concerned about my legacy -- I won't be around to know about it.

I would like to respected for what I have done today.

Shades · 11-08-2003, 01:11 AM

I would like to have "Went back into the blaze for one more orphan." on my tombstone. I definitely do not want "Wouldn't stop eating so died from being a lard ass." which apparently most of my fellow Americans will get.

rogue49 · 11-08-2003, 07:44 AM

In all seriousness
I want to win the Nobel Prize for Physics.

In explaining a cognitive model for the Universal Dimensions,
introducing a few more, and defining them
And in doing so, unify General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics,
and give a legitimate explaination for the Grand Unified Theory.

I want centuries from now students bitchin'... "Why do we have to study this guy?"

tikki · 11-08-2003, 06:38 PM

dream world: filthy fucking rich porn tycoon.

reality: filthy fucking rich owner of the company that dethrones microsoft.

empu · 11-08-2003, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mirevolver
As he's reading it, I try to read it also, except I can't. It's all jibberish to me. All except one thing, I see my name occur several times throughout the text.

Holy cow, how do you know that's a good thing? He could be reading "Forensic History of Spontaneous Human Combustion Cases -- 2003."

Stiltzkin · 11-10-2003, 05:33 PM

I would like to be remembered as someone who was able to spell words like "legacy" properly. Heh.

Since the real answer to this question only makes sense to me, I will spare it, and instead will post a silly answer:

I would like for monuments to be erected in my honor. The skies will be littered with large television screens and scrolling marquees on commercial airplanes celebrating my life with such inspiration messages as "Hail Stilltzkin!" and "Long Live Stiltzkin's Memory!" and "In Stiltzkin We Trust", each time of course replacing "Stiltzkin" with my real name... I will write a constitution on my own, a document detailing every aspect of government, and it will be put into effect in every government all around the world. Weekends will be extended to three days, the new day being Stiltzkin day, which will be reserved to contemplate and celebrate my life. There will be showers of wine in all the streets, and naked women running up and down the streets, wild monkey sex on roof tops. Yeah. It'll be crazy. Okay, I think I'm done.

jbrooks544 · 11-11-2003, 06:54 PM

Honestly, I want to leave the legacy of helping put some responsibility and capacity for love and fun in the hearts of my children. I inherited this from my parents and I only hope to pass it on.

Beyond that, I will help to temporarily concentrate some useful organic compounds that may help other organisms feed for a short while...

So, to sum up - love my kids and family and then become worm food and fertilizer. WOOHOO!

taliendo · 11-15-2003, 12:30 AM

simple. Its my funeral and all the people are saying, "damn, that was some tasty bar-b-que!"

j03th3j3w · 11-15-2003, 02:01 AM

i have thought of this many times... and i have never been able to come up with a suitable answer.. or an answer that works for me... i guess.. leaving a legacy is like.. leaving this world with the understanding that my family and my name will forever continue... that is my legacy... so to speak!

viejo gringo · 11-16-2003, 08:11 PM

I want to be remembered as "that guy who could fix everything but a broken heart"----of coarse being remembered as a great lover with a great tool would be nice...

dragon2fire · 11-17-2003, 01:01 PM

this will sound odd

but i dont so much want to be remembered but have my actions still affect the world long after i am gone

txlovely · 11-20-2003, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dragon2fire
this will sound odd

but i dont so much want to be remembered but have my actions still affect the world long after i am gone

That doesn't sound odd at all. That sounds selfless and very modest. Quite admirable actually.
I would like to be remembered as a loyal friend, loving wife and mother and lots of fun. If my actions impact the world around me, that's a bonus.

pyraxis · 11-28-2003, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by txlovely
That doesn't sound odd at all. That sounds selfless and very modest. Quite admirable actually.

I'm not so sure it's selfless OR modest. I think it depends how you define yourself. Personally, as an artist, I'd be far happier if people remembered my work than any detail of my private life... partly because it is an expression of self. I think the things we're most proud of are the things we'd want people to remember. Whether it's work, family or some kind of moral victory. Only one person so far has said they don't want to be remembered at all, and I noticed no one said THAT was admirably modest...

Holo · 11-29-2003, 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ARTelevision
I don't want to be remembered. I would prefer that people forget I ever existed and go on with their lives - remembering all the other people who have died - because that's the way people are. I can't really change that.

*calls ARTV* "Hello. I'd like my post back"

redravin40 · 11-29-2003, 08:19 AM

I think the small legacy I have will come from my kids.
The mistakes I make and any good I have done affect them in a personal way.
They will pass those thoughts and ideas on to their kids even it's as things that they don't like.
When I was a kid I had grand dreams of influencing the lives of thousands now I am happy with just a handful.

World's King · 11-29-2003, 01:58 PM

"Dude, that guy had great clothes."

rogue49 · 11-29-2003, 05:43 PM

And now with a bit of sarcasm.

On my gravestone,
"Damn, that boy could talk"

Sho Nuff · 12-01-2003, 01:53 PM

I want my descendents to be among the last left on this planet. I want my legacy to be that of survival.

bobw · 12-01-2003, 07:11 PM

Everybody knew who he was, but most didn't know his name...

isis · 12-01-2003, 09:40 PM

I always thought it'd be pretty cool to have a theory or something, then your name is always remembered, like Mendel or something like that. Realistically, I'm not probably going to discover anything profound .. but I can always dream.

And of course, my legacy will lie in my children. They will possess (well, maybe.. damn genetics) my curly hair, my eyes, etc. Hopefully, they will also possess my stunning good looks and charm

analog · 12-08-2003, 12:10 AM

I want to leave a legacy of great cinema... movies that cause you to think, or laugh, or cry... movies that are remembered as keystones... movies people will randomly bring up or quote in idle conversation. Such are my dreams...

And, on my headstone: "Analog was not allowed to write his own epitaph, as there is not enough stone in all the world to fit what he'd put. (he's a bit long-winded at times) Thank You."

amonkie · 12-08-2003, 12:26 AM

I'm a behind the scenes kind of person, so just knowing I was part of something great, even without being acknowledged for it, would be plenty for me. I also can't wait to have my kids and teach them the way the world ought to run.

10-20-2003, 03:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
mirevolver Inspired by the mind's eye. Location: Between the darkness and the light.	Your Leagacy? What would you want your leagacy to be. After you have gone, how would you like others to remember you. Would it just be friends and family, or would you like for many generations to know who you were? My choice comes from a dream I once had: I know it was set sometime in the future, I cannot be sure when. All I could guess at would be that it's at least 50 years past my natural lifespan. I see a man walking along a street, and after walking for a few minutes, he stops at a building. Looking up the stairs at the building I can tell that it is a library. The man walks up the stairs and enters the building. Once inside, he walks up to a computer terminal and begins searching through its database. After a few minutes, he stops and calls up an article, perhaps a book. As he's reading it, I try to read it also, except I can't. It's all jibberish to me. All except one thing, I see my name occur several times throughout the text. After I woke up, I had a tremendus sense of self satisfaction. __________________ Aside from my great plans to become the future dictator of the moon, I have little interest in political discussions. Last edited by mirevolver; 10-21-2003 at 09:01 AM..

10-20-2003, 06:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
prosequence Psycho Location: YOUR MOM!!	Friendship and warmth, I would like that to be my legacy. For it to passed on and remebered. __________________ And now here I stand because of you, Mister Anderson, because of you I'm no longer an agent of the system, because of you I've changed...

10-20-2003, 09:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
ForgottenKnight Jesus Freak Location: Following the light...	My leagacy remains to be to be seen... it is a mystery... for those who knew me, they will remember intellegence, integratey, humor, and most importantly, true kindness as is rarely seen anymore on this earth. Whether I'll be known by only a select few, or by the entire world, remains to be seen. If I achieve in my lifelong dream/goal, then I will be remembered in the history books as one of the world's greatest astronauts. __________________ "People say I'm strange, does that make me a stranger?"

10-21-2003, 06:00 AM	#4 (permalink)
lurkette My future is coming on Moderator Emeritus Location: east of the sun and west of the moon	Interesting question. After you've answered it, the next question is "what are you doing to make this happen?" I think about it on two different levels: I'd like everyone who knew me - everyone I came in contact with - to be left knowing that I love them. On a more global scale, I would love to be repsonsible in some way for a shift in peoples' attitudes - a greater awareness of the interrelatedness of all life on earth. I would love for the following sentiments to be internalized by a significant proportion of the world population: - if one of us is chained, none of us is free - do unto others as you would have them do unto you - whatever you do unto the least of these, you do unto me - love all people as though they were your only child __________________ "If ten million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing." - Anatole France

10-21-2003, 11:51 AM	#5 (permalink)
shannon Psycho Location: Canada	i think i like to give a lot, and i think i've always wanted to be a mother. i've never wanted to do anything that changes the world in the ways most people think of. i've never wanted to become a doctor and like cure cancer or anything like that, you know? but i've wanted to teach to everyone. i want to learn and learn and then pass that on, to my children as well as professionally. i think that would be my legacy. like maybe one of my students or children would change the world, and by doing so i would change the world. but seriously, we all change the world anyways. i mean by me not becoming a doctor maybe there will be some spot at med school and that kid who got in could cure cancer. or maybe i was in someone's way and because they were like a couple seconds late they missed a bus that proceeded to crash. and maybe that person, whose life i may have saved, went on to do some "great things". i just live my simple little life and hope that it will result in some good stuff. i don't think i care if i get credit, cause what does that really matter? i mean, you know what you did and you should take your own satisfaction in that. i don't know if i got off topic, i hope that made sense. __________________ "When I look down I just miss all the good stuff. And when I look up I just trip over things"

10-22-2003, 12:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
iktoweya These pretzels are making me thirsty!! Location: 105B	When i die i want a lot of people to say "Damn that guy really owed me a lot of money." On a serious note though i want to be responsible for inventing something. more than likely likely it will be electronic. And it will start a whole new type of living as we know it. now will it happen??? maybe im sure hoping. we'll see __________________ i miss K-Wise

10-23-2003, 03:44 AM	#7 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	I don't want to be remembered. I would prefer that people forget I ever existed and go on with their lives - remembering all the other people who have died - because that's the way people are. I can't really change that. __________________ create evolution

10-23-2003, 07:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
twotimesadingo Psycho Location: that place with the thing	the first image my mind conjured up in answer to this question was a picture of Magus -- you know, from Chrono Trigger. i guess i'd most like to be remembered as the enigmatic figure who tried to do his best. like Magus, my motives may never be fully understood, but (i hope) my influence is undeniable. __________________ I'll be the one to protect you from your enemies and all your demons. I'll be the one to protect you from a will to survive and voice of reason. I'll be the one to protect you from your enemies and your choices, son. They're one and the same I must isolate you, isolate and save you from yourself." - A Perfect Circle

10-31-2003, 11:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
mirevolver Inspired by the mind's eye. Location: Between the darkness and the light.	All very interesting. As for my dream, I wish I had more information on why the man looked me up, but I guess that finding out will be what brings fun to my life. __________________ Aside from my great plans to become the future dictator of the moon, I have little interest in political discussions.

11-01-2003, 12:50 PM	#10 (permalink)
justin218 Tilted	I'd like be known someday as someone who helped in some accomplishment that advanced mankind, like the space program did or something like that. but who knows.

11-05-2003, 11:32 PM	#11 (permalink)
JimmyTheHutt Psycho Location: Hell (Phoenix AZ)	This is kind of sad... I want to be story used to frighten children. I.E. "Don't do x or JIMMY will get you!" I like being the bad guy. (I was voted most likely to be the basis for a slasher villain in high school) Veritas en Lux! Jimmy The Hutt __________________ Think Jabba, only with more hair and vestigal legs.... "This isn't a nightmare, its real. Nightmare's end." -ShadowDancer

11-06-2003, 02:06 AM	#12 (permalink)
Doos Crazy Location: South Africa	As a great friend and a fun person to be with. Also intend publishing a few stuff (scientific papers) so would like to be referenced often and be thought of thus by students awe struck "That Doos sure knew his stuff" __________________ Don't be alarmed, I'm an African. Conscience is what hurts when everything else feels good.

11-06-2003, 08:29 AM	#13 (permalink)
SabrinaFair Junkie Location: Louisville, KY	I would be more than content if at the end of my life, those who care about me can say, "Here's to Sabrina. She gave us love and laughter." That's more than enough for me. __________________ "With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy." -Desiderata

11-06-2003, 10:18 AM	#14 (permalink)
numist Banned Location: UCSD, 510.49 miles from my love	I would like those who knew me in life to have been impacted by my life, not my death. As long as I am remembered in some good way, and as long as I made a positive difference in people's lives, I will be satisfied.

11-06-2003, 12:36 PM	#15 (permalink)
WarWagon Loser	I'd like to be remembered for what I do at the track, something to be passed around when the buds down at the garage are having a couple beers late at night.

11-06-2003, 03:36 PM	#16 (permalink)
Sparhawk Dubya Location: VA	I want to make a *difference*. I don't yet know how that's going to manifest itself, as I still have some growing up to do, but we'll see, won't we... __________________ "In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. It's hard work. It's incredibly hard. It's - and it's hard work. I understand how hard it is. I get the casualty reports every day. I see on the TV screens how hard it is. But it's necessary work. We're making progress. It is hard work."

11-06-2003, 09:39 PM	#17 (permalink)
lordjeebus ‚±‚Ìˆó˜U‚ª–Ú‚É“ü‚ç‚Ê‚© Location: College	I'm not especially concerned about my legacy -- I won't be around to know about it. I would like to respected for what I have done today.

11-08-2003, 01:11 AM	#18 (permalink)
Shades Insane	I would like to have "Went back into the blaze for one more orphan." on my tombstone. I definitely do not want "Wouldn't stop eating so died from being a lard ass." which apparently most of my fellow Americans will get.

11-08-2003, 07:44 AM	#19 (permalink)
rogue49 Loser	In all seriousness I want to win the Nobel Prize for Physics. In explaining a cognitive model for the Universal Dimensions, introducing a few more, and defining them And in doing so, unify General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, and give a legitimate explaination for the Grand Unified Theory. I want centuries from now students bitchin'... "Why do we have to study this guy?"

11-08-2003, 06:38 PM	#20 (permalink)
tikki Justified Location: West Lafayette, IN	dream world: filthy fucking rich porn tycoon. reality: filthy fucking rich owner of the company that dethrones microsoft. __________________ Take notice. Take interest. Take me with you.

11-10-2003, 05:33 PM	#22 (permalink)
Stiltzkin Junkie	I would like to be remembered as someone who was able to spell words like "legacy" properly. Heh. Since the real answer to this question only makes sense to me, I will spare it, and instead will post a silly answer: I would like for monuments to be erected in my honor. The skies will be littered with large television screens and scrolling marquees on commercial airplanes celebrating my life with such inspiration messages as "Hail Stilltzkin!" and "Long Live Stiltzkin's Memory!" and "In Stiltzkin We Trust", each time of course replacing "Stiltzkin" with my real name... I will write a constitution on my own, a document detailing every aspect of government, and it will be put into effect in every government all around the world. Weekends will be extended to three days, the new day being Stiltzkin day, which will be reserved to contemplate and celebrate my life. There will be showers of wine in all the streets, and naked women running up and down the streets, wild monkey sex on roof tops. Yeah. It'll be crazy. Okay, I think I'm done. __________________ The most important thing in this world is love.

11-11-2003, 06:54 PM	#23 (permalink)
jbrooks544 Addict	Honestly, I want to leave the legacy of helping put some responsibility and capacity for love and fun in the hearts of my children. I inherited this from my parents and I only hope to pass it on. Beyond that, I will help to temporarily concentrate some useful organic compounds that may help other organisms feed for a short while... So, to sum up - love my kids and family and then become worm food and fertilizer. WOOHOO!

11-15-2003, 12:30 AM	#24 (permalink)
taliendo Insane Location: an indelible crawl through the gutters	simple. Its my funeral and all the people are saying, "damn, that was some tasty bar-b-que!" __________________ -LIFE IS ABSURD-

11-15-2003, 02:01 AM	#25 (permalink)
j03th3j3w Tilted Location: crazy... would you like to join?	i have thought of this many times... and i have never been able to come up with a suitable answer.. or an answer that works for me... i guess.. leaving a legacy is like.. leaving this world with the understanding that my family and my name will forever continue... that is my legacy... so to speak!

11-16-2003, 08:11 PM	#26 (permalink)
viejo gringo Registered User Location: Deep South Texas	I want to be remembered as "that guy who could fix everything but a broken heart"----of coarse being remembered as a great lover with a great tool would be nice...

11-17-2003, 01:01 PM	#27 (permalink)
dragon2fire Junkie	this will sound odd but i dont so much want to be remembered but have my actions still affect the world long after i am gone

11-29-2003, 08:19 AM	#31 (permalink)
redravin40 Loser Location: With Jadzia	I think the small legacy I have will come from my kids. The mistakes I make and any good I have done affect them in a personal way. They will pass those thoughts and ideas on to their kids even it's as things that they don't like. When I was a kid I had grand dreams of influencing the lives of thousands now I am happy with just a handful.

11-29-2003, 01:58 PM	#32 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	"Dude, that guy had great clothes." __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown

11-29-2003, 05:43 PM	#33 (permalink)
rogue49 Loser	And now with a bit of sarcasm. On my gravestone, "Damn, that boy could talk"

12-01-2003, 01:53 PM	#34 (permalink)
Sho Nuff Addict Location: Harlem	I want my descendents to be among the last left on this planet. I want my legacy to be that of survival. __________________ I know Nietzsche doesnt rhyme with peachy, but you sound like a pretentious prick when you correct me.

12-01-2003, 07:11 PM	#35 (permalink)
bobw Psycho Location: somewhere....	Everybody knew who he was, but most didn't know his name...

12-01-2003, 09:40 PM	#36 (permalink)
isis Insane Location: In the Woods.	I always thought it'd be pretty cool to have a theory or something, then your name is always remembered, like Mendel or something like that. Realistically, I'm not probably going to discover anything profound .. but I can always dream. And of course, my legacy will lie in my children. They will possess (well, maybe.. damn genetics) my curly hair, my eyes, etc. Hopefully, they will also possess my stunning good looks and charm

12-08-2003, 12:10 AM	#37 (permalink)
analog Banned	I want to leave a legacy of great cinema... movies that cause you to think, or laugh, or cry... movies that are remembered as keystones... movies people will randomly bring up or quote in idle conversation. Such are my dreams... And, on my headstone: "Analog was not allowed to write his own epitaph, as there is not enough stone in all the world to fit what he'd put. (he's a bit long-winded at times) Thank You."

12-08-2003, 12:26 AM	#38 (permalink)
amonkie Drifting Administrator Location: Windy City	I'm a behind the scenes kind of person, so just knowing I was part of something great, even without being acknowledged for it, would be plenty for me. I also can't wait to have my kids and teach them the way the world ought to run. __________________ Calling from deep in the heart, from where the eyes can't see and the ears can't hear, from where the mountain trails end and only love can go... ~~~ Three Rivers Hare Krishna