milk bad for you?
 

My mom told me the other day that she heard that there was a study on homogenized milk and they found that when they break the fat down, it gets so small it can skip digestion and enter straightly into the bloodstream. You can see how this would cause problems. Has anyone else heard of this? My mom's an RN so I trust her judgement on health things, but i've been drinking 2% all my life and now i'm kinda freakin out about it. I couldn't find anything else on this, i was just wondering if anyone else knew anything about it.

My understanding is that this isn't a problem unless you're consuming copious amounts of it on a daily basis.

yeah...milk has been the leading cause of "milk straight into the bloodstream" related deaths for hundreds, even thousands of years. *switches sarcasm off* i think you will be fine man. milk is a great source of too many things to nix it from your diet. besides, is there any other way to eat cereal?

Just drink skim milk... all the great taste with none of the fat...

The only thing that freaks me out about milk is the high levels of hormones... The shit they inject into cows these days to keep their production levels up is scary.

Go organic.

Yo im a vegan and the low down on milk is such it is shit for your heres why the benifits of milk are entirly markiting campane though they stoped using the dairy company for school nutriton info the seeds of it are still planted. the calcium in milk is undigestible what gives you ostioperosis is eating foods with high acididity such as meat milk and eggs, your body releses calcium from your bones to restor your blood ph to normal. furthermore the cows milk you might drink is full of artificial chemicals and hormones cows produce three lieters of milk in the wild and are drugged to produce three galons so the quality suffers like a bitch all in all milk is trash

well i havent heard of it. and since there are still got milk commercials, doubt its a problem

vegans = conspiracy theorists?

interesting.

Anyone have a source for this information? I drink a ton of organic skim milk everyday... So is only the non organic stuff bad for you? I drink a ton, like 1/2 gallon a day... Its pretty much all I drink besides water.

If you still believe in everything your TV tells you, get a clue. The American society is driven by money and advertising is money. The american dairy council has been feeding this crap to people for years. Just look at it this way. Your drinking something intended for the young of another species. If cows milk were good for humans why would human milk be so different. We were not intended to drink milk past our infant stage and it holds more nutritional danger than good. Start doing some research from sources that aren't driven by the almighty dollars.

Oh man...this sucks for me, I think milk tastes so good, now your telling me it's bad for my body? What am I going to drink now? *is completely serious in saying this*

Check this site out...I was a bit surprised.

http://www.notmilk.com/

As I understand it, you get more usable calcium out of orange juice (esp. calcium fortified orange juice) than milk. Milk has more, but you body has trouble using it.

I rarely drink milk, but I dont' shun it entirely. I don't want to become lactose intolerant.

Not drinking milk won't cause your body to stop producing the enzyme that breaks down lactose. Mrs. paddyjoe is severely lactose intolerant, so when we shop we have to read the ingredient list on everything. You would be amazed at the amount of products that have some level of lactose. The list won't just say milk or butter either, but whey, non-fat skim milk, lactose, amongst others. If you're as intolerent as she is, one wrong bite could make her sick for two or three days. Luckily, more and more companies are making really good lactose free foods. She can even drink all the milk she wants by drinking Lactaid. (sorry, not meant to be a commercial). Remember though, you still need a certain amount of calcium, but is suppose that would be a whole new thread.

I have been drinking milk as far back as I can remember and I'm not about to give it up whether it's bad for me or not. Nothing beats a icy cold glass of milk with cookies :D

*Throws eggs*

Boo!! Skim milk tastes nothing like real milk! It's like water and ground up chalk.

Obviously, not drinking milk turns you into an atrocious speller. :rolleyes:

Well, anyways, are we really supposed to drink something that comes out of a cow's udder?

LMAO, Thats exactly what I what I was thinking as I read that, I'm sorry, but I couldn't understand any of that.

thats why i always drink "full" anything.

its true.

the stuff they put in diet soda and non-fat foods, kills rats or makes them mentally retarded. and rats have very similer nervous system/brain/body as us (as strange as that may seem, its true also)

Just remember what milk is and what it's purpose is: A high energy nutritous food for infants. It's loaded with sugar. Yes, Lactose is a sugar. Therefore, it's loaded with carbs. If you are watching carbs, which many will agree is the key metric to weight loss, milk will hurt your efforts.

Stay away from the low fat stuff.

I don't like milk except with my cereal. I've heard that there are better sources of calcium, including some sort of japanese coral... if anyone knows where to get this coral, please let me know.

japan? :D

seriously though, i think that there are better sources of calcium than milk, but all things considered, i think that you'd be hard pressed to find something to replace it for everything it provides.

coming back once again to everything in moderation...

Holy shit, there are billions of people worldwide who drink milk, and many of those people drink a LOT of milk. I HIGHLY doubt its that bad for you. We simply would've heard about it by now, on a very large scale.

The best Japanese Coral Calcium I have found of late is Barefoot Coral calcium Plus. You can find it at most drug stores including Walmart around $15.00/ 30 day supply.

Matt

It's actually a protein and not a fat that causes the proclaimed problems. Beta-casein type 1 or something similar.

That's what I've always heard.

i'm sorry, but after reading that, i feel like drinking 10 gallons of milk, fileting a cow or two, and maybe even clubbing a baby seal.

Amen! Skim milk is not real milk, and will never taste like real milk. As for drinking milk and the dangers of doing so, I don't believe most of it. Yes, infants under 12 months aren't supposed to drink cow's milk. Infants are supposed to drink mum's milk. Simple as that. I've been drinking milk all my life, from your standard 3.25% grocery store milk, to straight from the cow milk that, believe it or not, often has higher fat percentages. Still thin, still healthy, no diabetes in sight. Not a single person in my entire family has ever gotten sick from drinking milk. I ain't giving it up.

I don't think it would make a difference if there were studies that proved milk was bad for people.

Look at cigarettes. It is well known that they can cause cancer and kill people, but billions of people still smoke. Even when there's a Surgeon General's warning right on the packaging, too.

On the topic of milk and health...
 

Originally, I had heard of this from my father after he read an article about it in Reader's Digest. I thought it was really interesting info and I wanted to share with you all. I searched for discussion of milk and this was the only thread that came up. I figured this is kind of related, so instead of making a new thread, I'm just going to add to this one. Moderators, if you think this should be a new thread, feel free to move it.

Article from http://www.nationaldairycouncil.org/

For more information, please contact:
Nutrition and Health News Bureau, 312-240-2880
E-mail, ndc@dairyinformation.com
DRINK THIS! NEW STUDY FINDS LOWFAT MILK MAY HELP REDUCE OBESITY RISK


Study Heralds the Power of Lowfat Dairy Foods in Helping Control Body Fat and Helping Reduce the Risk of Obesity


ROSEMONT, IL., Nov. 17, 1999 - Lowfat dairy foods such as milk, yogurt and cheese, may help control body fat, according to a study presented today at the North American Association for the Study of Obesity (NAASO) Annual Meeting. This is good news for all Americans, especially the 97 million who are overweight and struggle to lose extra pounds.

"We have shown that a diet rich in lowfat dairy foods affects the way in which fat cells do their job," said the study's lead researcher Michael Zemel, Ph.D., department head and director of nutrition, Nutrition Institute, University of Tennessee. "A diet high in lowfat dairy causes fat cells to make less fat and turns on the machinery to breakdown fat, which translates into a significantly lower risk of obesity."

Locating the Link: Lowfat Dairy and Control Body Fat
In this study, four different diets were administered to separate groups of mice. The diet highest in lowfat dairy foods yielded the greatest results in helping control body fat. To apply these findings to the American human population, the researchers analyzed the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES III) data set. After controlling for caloric-intake, physical activity and other factors, body fat was markedly lowered in people who consumed more dairy.

Women Win with Lowfat Dairy
While the study shows positive fat reduction results for all adults, women benefit most by consuming lowfat dairy foods each day. "What we found is that women who consumed at least three servings of lowfat dairy foods per day were at the lowest risk of becoming obese," said Dr. Zemel. "In fact, there was an 80 percent reduction in risk for any given level of calorie intake."

Mistakenly, people may cut out milk, yogurt and cheese when trying to control weight gain or lose weight. "This study reinforces the importance of lowfat milk and Milk Group foods in a well-balanced daily diet," said Jean Ragalie, R.D., vice president, dairy marketing communications, National Dairy Council. "We've known for some time that lowfat dairy foods may help reduce the risk of osteoporosis, high blood pressure and possibly even colon cancer - now we can add to that list the important role lowfat dairy plays in a healthy weight loss plan."

Lowfat Dairy, Reducing Obesity Evidence Continues to Support the Dairy/Weight Loss Connection
"This study supports a growing body of evidence linking a dairy-rich diet to obesity reduction and lack of weight gain," Ragalie added. Further evidence of the dairy/weight loss connection was presented at the 1999 Experimental Biology Annual Meeting in April. The research, from Purdue University, examined the calcium intakes of women ages 18-31 during a two-year period and found that women who got their calcium from dairy foods experienced greater weight-loss benefits than those who used non-dairy sources or supplements.

In fact, Dr. Zemel's study was conducted in part to substantiate a link between lowfat dairy and body fat reduction that was first noticed nearly 10 years ago in a study of African American men. Although the objective of this earlier study was to examine the role of a dairy-rich diet's role in reducing hypertension, the results also showed that adding two cups of yogurt reduced participants body fat by about 11 pounds. This was an important finding that helped lead to the new study connecting dairy foods with helping to control body fat.

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One of my friends pointed out the fact that of course the national dairy council would report good things about milk. However, if you read the whole article, you'll notice that the study wasn't originally intended to prove milk would help control obesity. This information was actually stumbled upon quite accidently, so I think it's pretty unbiased for what it is. What are you thoughts? Is it still biased? Do you believe it? Will you start eating & drinking more diary products?

Personally, I love dairy since it's one of the few things that doesn't make my digestive tract react in an adverse manner. So for me, this is just good to hear that what I'm doing is also beneficial to my health.

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milk is has a low acidity level in comparison to many other fluids like OJ, coffee, and soda. as someone who suffers from GERD, i can assure you that milk is low in acid because it's one of the few things i *can* drink. milk is only .5 off from being neutral. unless you eat soap, most (all?) foods are acidic leaning toward very acidic, especially fast foods.
article on how milk counteracts soda's damage to teeth:
http://masseynews.massey.ac.nz/2002/...eeth_milk.html
article listing the pH levels of food:
http://urbanwatershed.org/modules/pH/pH.htm

calcium is digested the same no matter what the food source. the only thing you really need be concerned about is calcium supplements. sometimes they use things which could have other things in it to be worried about. also, it calcium is absorbed into the body better when you eat fat with it. milk is a healthy combination of the two. so unless you eat meat with your supplement to get some fat with it, your body will flush most of the calcium out rather than take it in.

p.s. i took a nutrition class.

random fact: milk completely void of fat is actually blue. they put some fat back into nonfat milk for coloring effect. that's why it has that blue tint.

I second Mael's notion (and in fact ate nothing but meat tonight to spite vegans in general).

LOL...my sentiments exactly.

Yes, milk is bad for you. A lot of things are.

If you take everything in moderation though you wont have any problems. The only think I hate about dairy products is the hormones they put in them. Our young daughters are sprouting a lot quicker than they used to and I think dairy has a lot to do with it.

Just remember that too much of anything is bad.

nothing to say

Rice Milk Rules
 

Stop drinking milk. The people on here that say u need it, have been brainwashed to believe that day after day , billboard after billboard. Milk causes internal bleeding. If u eat right, u can get ur calcium from other sources. Fortified orangejuice is good. To the people who say just drink 2%. All youre doing is getting ripped off. It's just watered down milk for same price. If youre going to buy 2%, u might as well by whole milk and water it down urself, and have more of it for the same price. Rice milk is really good and u can make it easily yourself. http://vegweb.com/recipes/drink/rice-milk.shtml The price of rice milk has gone up because they know people are catching on to this milk bad for u stuff and decided to try to capitalize on us healthy eaters. I make my own out of brown rice and only use it on cereal. I stopped drinking milk 2 years ago and doc says im in great shape...thanks doc.

Mood Swings
 

Imagine starting your day with an estrogen pill,
followed by progesterone, prolactin, melatonin, oxytocin,
and 50+ other hormones including gastrointestinal peptides
and hypothalamic hormones. It is no wonder that the Townsend
Medical Letter noted the following in May of 1995:

"In reality, cow's milk, especially processed cow's milk,
has been linked to a variety of health problems, including:
mucous production, hemoglobin loss, childhood diabetes,
heart disease, atherosclerosis, arthritis, kidney stones,
MOOD SWINGS, depression, irritability, allergies."


www.notmilk.com

lol i drink about 8 glasses of milk a day...

Does milk give you cancer yet?

I drink some 20-30 pints a week, and apart from the odd bit of gas, and some weight gain (of the good kind) i'm all happy.

I doubt drinking milk is all bad as has been said here. Here's why. My grandma didn't drnk much milk during the depression. She didn't drink all that much during the War either I believe. Once she had grandchildren she found out that she was allergic to milk, beef, chicken eggs, and numerous other food items. From that time on she only drank soy milk. The year before she died her gall bladder had to be removed and the description that my mom gave me of that organ was that it was black with infection. Also she lost about 5 inches in height during her later years from osteoperosis and I know she took vitamin suppliments and made sure she got more than the minimum daily allowance of calcium.

She had plenty of health concerns and they were obviously not a result of drinking milk. If anything she had osteoperosis which to me supports the claim that the calcium in milk is needed by the body.

I will just drink in moderation. I LOVE whole milk but as a family we drink 2% because none of us seem to gain as much weight that way. We also don't drink that much milk but make sure we eat the amount of vegetables that we should. Keeping a balance in what you eat never seems to be dangerous.

There have been some links of milk to increased rates of colon, breast, and prostate cancer. I'm not a scientist...this is just what my dad (whos wife was diagnosed with breast cancer and really read up on this) has told me and from sites I've read on (such as notmilk.com). I'm not trying to flame or start an argument, I just happen to agree with this theory. :)

Well, I know milk's unhealthy for me, but then I'm lactose intolerant.

I tried Lactaid, but after so long of not drinking milk, I just can't stomache it anymore. I don't like the taste.

I take a calcium+vitamin D supplement daily (the vitamin D is crucial in calcium absorption) and that seems to do me fine.

But I reckon, to each his own. It doesn't seem like anything's been conclusively proven yet, so if you like milk, go ahead and drink it.

Ahh, as long as it gives you cancer, i can completly ignore health warnings. My toast gives me cancer, my air gives me cancer, my water gives me cancer, i give me cancer, in fact typing this will give me cancer.

I drink semi-skimmed milk, so it doesn't have too much fat, but still, i like my milk.

Please provide evidence or a source for this "fact" as I just don't see how you can make such an outrageous claim. I'm curious as to where you learned this.
I have a confession: I laughed when I read that statement.

I drink 8 servings or more of milk per day and "doc[s] says im in great shape...thanks doc[s]." Different strokes for different folks. One can be healthy with and without dairy.

Also, to follow up my previous post about milk as an aid for weight loss. I saw this on a milk cap yesterday: http://www.2424milk.com
http://www.2424milk.com/2424_science_overview.htm

Hehe...I had a diet Coke at work the other day and my boss told me it causes cancer...I told him that breathing the air causes cancer, because it's pretty much true in the smog infested area I live in.

However, I still agree with the milk thing, but again, it's just my opinion. ;)

The majority of the population on earth does not drink milk, and the majority of them are lactose intolerant.

I think conceptually milk is disgusting. Cows are foul creatures. Cows pumped full of hormones and antibiotics are even more foul. The thought of drinking mucousy cow breast milk to me is disgusting. Enriched soy or rice milk is just as nutritious as milk and tastes better in my opinion. Though i must admit i am a big fan of the cheese, i get organic whenever possible.

i drink almost a gallon a day of skim milk. nothing like a quality source of carbs and protein.

There's lots of conflicting rumours about milk being good or bad for you. Personally, I've never liked the taste of milk, I've only drank milk that comes in a jug or carton for about 3 years now, before then it was powdered milk. (This mostly had to do with our previous location in the world). I've taken calcium supplements for about 8 years now, I get about 1500 mg a day I believe, I take 3 usually. They're expensive but at least I know I'm getting calcium if I choose not to drink milk.

Love milk, it's generally good for most people, IMO, providing good amounts of proteins and calcium.

People hate on stuff that's popular, like the USA, the Catholic Church and milk.

notmilk.com...

hard to trust sites that have those silly moving .gifs

Trust me milk is horrible for everyone, I did a paper on the thing years back. Did such a good job that I was infamous for years afterward as the milk guy (no joke). I'd go into the details but doing that paper made me sick of it (I also don't remember all the specifics anymore and don't know where I put the paper, if I find it ill post it).

How does it make sense to anyone to drink something that is meant for a baby cow? It would make more sense to replace cow milk with breast milk but you don't see anyone doing that. But don't concentrate on this part of my argument, do some research of your own, find out how horrible they treat most cows, and find out all the horrible chemicals in it (even if its organic theres still the hormones that are bad for us).

Bullshit, to an extent that's true, but all three of those things deserve most of their hate to begin with. If what you said were strictly true then hating bunnies could become prevalent.

As for calcium, our bodies need vit D to absorb calcium, milk has shit for vit D. So unless youre taking D supplements or getting a lot of it in your diet, milk alone is a horrible source of calcium. If anything it detracts from your calcium in your bones because of the protein. Christ, generally good for most people? Try doing some research, something like 70% of the world's people are lactose intolerant. Do some research before you spout nonsense.

Don't even get me started on saturated fat.

Nothing personal, I just happened to read your post most recently.

I have heard from some nurses that they have read in "healthcare literature" that it has been linked in prostate cancer, but I use a laptop so I'm probably already doomed for that.

Zeraph did you suffer from a tragic bovine accident?

Wow! You did a PAPER on the subject! My, my!

And there are about a million studies showing milk as being part of a normal and healthy diet. Obviously if you are lactose intolerant you shouldn't drink it. Lots of people are allergic to honey, shellfish and strawberries - it doesn't mean these products are bad, just that they are bad for people who are allergic to them.

And yeah, when you spout off like that, people DO take it personally. But I guess that's the way you want to be spoken to yourself.

Just a quick review of some studies. Or are they all wrong?

MILK PRODUCTS & CALCIUM ...FOR MORE THAN BUILDING STRONG BONES Everyone knows we need milk products to build strong, healthy bones. But did you know that milk products also play an important role in other areas of health? In fact, research indicates that calcium, especially when it's from milk products, plays a key role in preventing many chronic diseases.

Disease Research shows...
Heart Disease and Stroke Calcium from milk products and heart-healthy bacteria in yoghurt may play a role in reducing blood cholesterol. Preliminary research also suggests that certain types of fat found in milk help reduce the risk of heart disease.
High Blood Pressure Calcium, especially from milk products, has been shown to control blood pressure. A normal blood pressure is good for overall heart health.
Colon Cancer Calcium and vitamin D can play an important role in reducing the risk for colon cancer. Fermented milk products such as yoghurt and buttermilk provide added protection from colon cancer. Preliminary research also shows different milk fats as good when it comes to reducing the risk of this type of cancer.
Dental Health Milk products, especially firm cheeses such as Cheddar, Swiss, Mozzarella, Edam, Monterey Jack and Brie help prevent cavities. Enjoying a fruit and cheese platter after a meal is a good thing.
PMS (Premenstrual Syndrome) Preliminary research indicates that calcium may reduce symptoms such as bloating, fatigue, irritability, abdominal cramps and back pain.


CALCIUM AND CHRONIC DISEASE

Emerging research is expanding calcium's role beyond bone health. Calcium is now being hailed as a key player in preventing chronic diseases such as heart disease, stroke, hypertension and colon cancer.

Following are highlights of calcium's growing importance in preventing chronic disease.

HEART DISEASE
Researchers have proposed the existence of a "milk factor" that seems to have a cholesterol-lowering effect (1,2).


Several studies have indicated that the "milk factor" might be calcium (3,4,5).


Some studies have suggested that regular consumption of milk, particularly fat free milk, may lower blood cholesterol levels, especially in people who have hyperlipidemia (high blood cholesterol) (6,7).


Analysis of the Iowa Women's Health Study, observing more than 34,000 women, revealed that a relatively high calcium intake was associated with a reduced risk for heart disease mortality (8).


The researchers suggest that calcium may contribute to reducing cholesterol levels because calcium binds to bile acids in the gut, thus increasing their excretion, and decreasing their re-absorption into the bloodstream. Since cholesterol is a precursor to make bile acids, the body withdraws cholesterol from the blood. This in turn may reduce blood cholesterol levels (6,7,8).


Studies have also demonstarted that consumption of fermented milk products, such as yoghurt made with the bacteria Lactobacillus acidophilus, can actually help to reduce blood cholesterol levels (9). One theory that has been proposed is that some strains of Lactobacillus acidophilus change the structure of bile acids, thus increasing their excretion (10).


Although not all studies indicate a cholesterol-lowering effect, intake of milk products has not been shown to increase blood lipid levels (3,11,12,13).
HYPERTENSION
There is evidence to suggest that calcium intake reduces the risk of hypertension. Controlling blood pressure reduces the risk for developing cardiovascular disease.


Moreover, the data also reveals that there is more consistency in the results of the studies that used dietary calcium as compared to those studies that used non-dietary sources of calcium (14).


The impact of calcium on blood pressure appears to be the greatest in people who consume low levels of dietary calcium (14).


In addition, the renowned DASH (Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension) study demonstrated a significant reduction in blood pressure in individuals who consumed low-fat dairy products (2.7 servings per day on average), in addition to fruits and vegetables (15).
STROKE
The Honolulu Heart Program (a 22 year follow up of 3,150 men that was initiated in 1965) demonstrated an association between milk consumption and reduced risk for stroke (16).


The study showed that calcium from dairy sources, but not from non-dairy sources, was related to reduced risk for stroke (16).


A similar finding was revealed in the 1980-1994 Nurses' Health Study involving more than 85,000 women (17).


One explanation is that calcium may have a hypotensive effect, and may also contribute to reduced platelet aggregation (17).
COLON CANCER
Clinical trials in humans generally support a protective effect of calcium against colon cancer. It appears that vitamin D also plays a crucial role in conjunction with calcium in reducing the risk of colon cancer (18,19,20,21,22,23,24)


One proposed mechanism is that calcium increases the pH level in the colon, thus making it less acidic and less irritating to the colonic cells. In addition, calcium also binds to bile acids, rendering them harmless (23,24,25,26,27,28,29).
PREMENSTRUAL SYNDROME (PMS)
PMS is an umbrella term to describe a set of mood, cognitive and physical symptoms that occur before the onset of menstruation.


As many as 80 per cent of women experience PMS (30).


There is some evidence suggesting that increasing dietary calcium and vitamin D may reduce PMS symptoms, such as bloating, fatigue, cramps, irritability, abdominal pain and back pain (31,32,33,34).


A few studies have even shown that PMS may be a marker for low calcium status (35,36).


Women with PMS have significantly lower vertebral bone mass (36).
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I was just speaking freely the paper thing wasnt meant to come off as a brag, though I can see how it may seem that way.

Am I supposed to be impressed that you can copy and paste? Most of those studies have to do with calcium...I never said that was bad. And something tells me you did not read those studies. :rolleyes:

2 more things. There are differences in milk, the common kind that the majority of people buy is going to be more bad for you than good. And the other thing is that the dairy industry, like the tobacco industry rakes in billions of dollars. They can and do fund their own biased research.

Nope. Just the insane irony that many humans have been turned into a type of cash cow themselves just rubs me the wrong way. But I'm a simple man so what do I know.

Milk causes internal bleeding.

Please provide evidence or a source for this "fact" as I just don't see how you can make such an outrageous claim. I'm curious as to where you learned this.
I have a confession: I laughed when I read that statement

LOL same here. I have a friend whos mom thinks that milk is terribly bad for you. She tells me that everybody has their bad habits- she drinks diet soda even though she knows its not the healthiest. Come on now, how are you gonna compare drinking diet soda to drinking milk? Of course, she also doesnt believe in global warming or that you can get skin cancer from over-exposure to the sun...hmm. I do believe that milk can be harmful to you with all the hormones and antibiotics in use today, but thats why i buy organic.

Highthief: they may not be "wrong", but by personal experience via family members, not one of those studies or theories rings true. Spouse drinks milk exclusively-his cholesterol levels are astronomical. His dad drank milk, died of a heart attack at 62; brother drinks milk, had a heart attack at 49. Of course, none live exemplary lifestyles(think beer, cigs, sedentary, etc). My dad only drinks a small amount of milk-he's in damn good shape for 78(and I never saw him drink milk when I was growing up).
I can't drink milk, but it was that, water or orange juice growing up-never any soda-and my bone scans came out great, cholesterol is really low, blood minerals are fine. I had bad PMS when I was able to drink the stuff.
I took my kids off milk because of their severe acne on the advice of Amonkie via her own doctor-daughter's acne cleared up almost immediately, son's not so much.

This is why people should just stick to alcohol.

geez.

I used to drink milk, but a few years ago I switched to soy. I'll still have milk when I go home to visit my parents and they have some cake and pie, nothing beats the taste of milk with chocolate cake!

But, I switched to soy, mainly because I just wanted to reduce the amount of animal-based food products I consume. Also, I grew up in dairy town and in middle school we actually visited the town dairy. We went into the room where the cows were milked, and it was kind of disgusting. Basically the cows line up to have those things attached to their udders, and while they are standing there, they are crapping and peeing as well (cows are not house trained!). So just be aware that when you drink milk, you're not JUST getting milk in your glass =D .

And when you eat honey you're eating bee spit. What's your point?

If carrots were good for humans, why would chicken be so different?

I don't mind a reasoned approach to telling us why milk is bad, but your arguments are entirely based on logical fallacies.

Show us why milk is bad with the scientific data, not stuff that sounds like it comes from a political campaign ;)

My milk is only good when it's on your cocoa puffs, your milky, milky cocoa puffs.

I get my milk from a local dairy:
http://www.lochmead.com/temp_title.jpg

That's the actual dairy. None of their cows have ever been given bovine growth hormone, and they're fed vegetarian feed (not all cows are). They bottle their milk in reusable plastic containers. I buy the milk from the local food co-op, pay a deposit on the initial bottle, and return the bottle when I go back to buy more milk.

At 95 cents a half gallon, skim milk packs a nutritive protein punch that's hard to beat for the price, at least in my house.

I only drink Cambodia immigrant breast milk.

Fuck, I want some milk


...and cookies.

Ustwo, that's the epitome of nerdism. :lol:

Right but that is "personal experience" - that's the point most neutral people make. Some people don't react well to milk - my wife is half-Asian and lactose intolerant and can't do milk. I'm northern European and milk is a normal and healthy part of my diet as it is for millions of people. And it's yummy along with steaks that are still red inside and various BBQ'd products - in moderation, none are very likely to hurt me or millions of others.

It's the blanket condemnations of milk and all things milk-related that are quite frankly ill-informed and highly biased.

:sad:

Yes, I know.

I bet he's got a whole deck of those at home. Shoebox. Under the bed. Tells his wife that it is "manly porn" but we all know the secret.

...

I'm drinking 1% w/ BGH right this very moment. Mmmm, the tingle lets you know that the disease is working.

Half-Asian, half northern-European here... no problems whatsoever. :)

Funny thing is, when I'm in Thailand, it's damn near impossible to find fresh milk and/or dairy products. The only place I could find any cheese at all was Pizza Hut. I don't know if it's intolerance, or just the fact that the only bovines they have are water buffalos... but dairy is just not on offer there.

On the other hand, in Iceland, there is WAYYY too much dairy stuff available... every grocer's cold case is chock full of various types of milks, yogurts, puddings, skyr (Icelandic stuff), þykkmjólk (more Icelandic stuff), etc... and I happily gorge myself on all of it. :D

No milk-related health problems to speak of.

http://www.notmilk.com/

Check out the A to Z down the left side. I'm not sure I buy all of it (insubstantial or biased research) but nonetheless..

I've always heard that the most significant problem with humans drinking cow's milk is the difficulty we have digesting the proteins that are in it.

All milks are composed differently and goat's milk is supposed to be the (or one of the) milks most suited to humans. So why aren't we offered goat's milk instead? Production, volume, m-m-m-m-money.

I use organic non-fat milk but only on cereals and sometimes in cooking. No one in my house drinks glasses of milk.

Oddly enough that's my wife's ancestry too - in her case, Chinese-German.

I used to drink a TON of milk and when I was preggo consumed 2 gallons a week. Now that I count calories though I drink water and only two cups of milk a day.

Its genetic, lactose tolerance is a somewhat recent mutation from northern Europe which has spread but it still somewhat rare in most parts of the world.

Whats interesting to me is that often lactose intolerance is thought of as a disease, when in reality thats the human normal, tolerance is the recent mutation.

I didn't read too much more, after this post, but maybe somebody should teach this lad some grammar. A very difficult entry to read... At any rate, I will continue to read through this thread now.


I agree. It also has a disturbing "blue" tinge too it. The happy medium between Skim and Homo milk is 2%. This is what I always buy. Of course, I get the 5% cream for my coffee as well.


Okay, so it was spotted!

I heard (albeit from my brother who tends to spin the odd yarn or two) that second grade or "yellow" milk - the above mentioned mucousy stuff - is what is used by the dairy industry to produce chocolate milk. Even if he was having me on, I haven't been able to buy chocolate milk since then.


mmmmmmmm


My wife is all Han Chinese, her parents rarely use cheese, (when ordering pizza). Yet she insists on drinking milk for health benefits, and doesn't seem to suffer at all from it. She also loves her cheese (preferring hard cheddar, Oka and Brie).

Myself: German/Scottish mix, but definitely a Northern European descended Canadian. Dairy products have been my life, and I love cheese. any kind of cheese, just pile it on. As long as I take my Lipitor (!!) I'm okay.

Well since we are talking about ancestry now, I think I will chime in again.

I am half asian (japanese) and half european (english. german. irish, french, dutch). I can pretty much eat all dairy products like yogurt, cheese, ice cream, the only time I will notice a difference is if I have a huge glass of straight-up milk. After that I will get a little gassy, but not enough to dissuade me from having milk and chocolate cake. Interestingly, the japanese side of my family drinks a fair amount of milk and no one seems to have any real discomfort.

I love finding 5 year old posts via Google on accident! Anyway I drink about 3 gallons of 2% a week. Have any of you other milk drinkers died from it yet? ;)

Not yet. What about chocolate bars made from milk (milk chocolate) ? Nothing like the jersey milk chocolate Pal-O-Mine bar made by Ganong the first (1910) marketed, wrapped chocolate bar:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...00/f10b_20.jpg


PAL-O-MINE BARS - Moncton Buy & Sell Goods - Kijiji Moncton

How does it make sense to eat something that is meant to become a baby chicken, i.e. eggs? How does it make sense to eat something that is meant to provide manipulation and locomotion for an animal, i.e. meat? How does it make sense to eat something that is meant as a vessel for seeds for propagating a plant, i.e. fruit?

Well now I feel like an idiot, I just reported a post I meant to reply to......

I meant to say-

I happens, don't worry about it. No harm, no foul.

This is just silly.

If you're not lactose intolerant, why not drink it if you like it. If you are intolerant, don't drink it. That's all there is to it. It's not going to fill the bloodstream with fat and make you die as you sweat pure congealed fat from your glands and go into a simultaneous heart attack and massive stroke. If it was, newborns all over the world who drink milk all day would be dying horrific deaths and the earth would be a mammal-free planet. Of course this event would have occurred millions of years ago when milk started oozing out of skin (pre-mammary) and mammals would have never evolved as we know them today.

No boobs. That's a cryin' shame.

Milk isn't going to kill anyone. Might make you fat if you drink it by the truckload, but it definitely won't kill you.

I prefer organic milk. It has a much different taste and appearance than the "normal" stuff. Organic skim is usually thicker as well, not all watered down and chalky.

I get a significant amount of protein from dairy products and eggs (not to discount the nutritional contribution of legumes, I eat lots of those too). Here it is a year later after my first post in this thread, and I'm still happy, healthy, and fine.

Pass the ice cream. Hopefully it's Moose Tracks.

for that matter, all animal and much plant life makes use of life forms in the environment for sustenance. This is the natural order. Being able to choose what to consume is what adds to and enriches life.

I think I missed this thread altogether....

I agree with luciferase's lactose comment. Don't drink it if you're sensitive to it.

However, the bottom line is this: Most people should keep their saturated fat intake below 20g per day. A glass of 2% milk has 3g and a glass of whole milk has 5g. Total fat would be 5g and 8g, respectively. Most people should keep their total daily fat intake below 60g. (This is based on around 2,000 daily calories.)

Do the math. Keep track of all the food you eat in a typical day and be sure to keep your saturated fats low. (Hint: 2 eggs and 2 strips of bacon have 5g saturated fat.)