I know people like that, and they never touch dope. :rolleyes:

Just to join the ever-growing chorus, the above statement is completely bogus. Saying that you only get high because they're toxic is utterly baseless and unfounded. Please do show us the published paper where you found this particular nugget.

And no, it doesn't impair your senses, or your judgment. You aren't going to suddenly find yourself jumping out the window because you think you can fly. It just doesn't happen. Period.


And I'd also like to point out that this is conjecture. PCP is known to be neurotoxic, but DXM and ketamine, which are very different, chemically, have not been shown to be neurotoxic in humans.

I would definetly reccommend trying some psilocybin (mushrooms). If you have a good handle one life it will just enhance your setting, not control your thoughts.

Yeah, set and setting, an important point not mentioned yet.

Set= The expectations you have about the drug you are about to take, your notions, your attitude, your predisposed weakness and/or strength to addiction, your sense of reality

Setting= Any info you pick up from your senses around you. The place you are the people you're with. The chance of risk.

mdma, psilocybn, lsd etc. Are all drugs that are entirely dependent on "set" and "setting". If this is what you are looking for, go try some shrooms.

Mushrooms give a very subtle type of hallucination, they emphasize natural patterns and bring out outlines and variations of contrast. They do not out and out cause real hallucinations.

For instance, if you stare at a deep shag rug on shrooms, the pile may become increasingly thicker or more dense, suddenly becoming a forest of thick mangy fibers. Deep down you know its not real, you still have that sense of control over this drug.

Definetly look at patterns, aztec type art. get a bunch of art books or watch "The wall"

Try shrooms before acid, I agree acid is much harsher.

The point of this is that drugs can be a great way to find out what makes you tick, they have helped me figure out how my mind works many times in the past. If you are looking to LEARN, try a drug such as psilocybin, mdma, lsd, dmt, etc. Mind-drugs. If you are looking to get fucked-up, a body-drug, you are looking at feeling drugs like cocaine, speed, pain killers etc.

Don't touch heroin. please. The main premise of heroin is very simple, stop every single nerve in your body from producing a pain repsonse and voila a very unnatural feeling of bliss and addictive potential rivaling nicotine.


Oh yeah, take this advice at your own risk. I am not responsible for your actions. Do research on the net, don't talk to people, they just re-hash stupid wives tales.

When you think you've done enough research, do some more. Seperate truth from fiction and keep telling yourself.

If you ever get in a bad-feeling-
1. remove yourself from the setting you are in.
2. Get the hell away from people who are not on the drug you are on.
3. Stay the hell away from sober people if you are on a mind-altering drug. They will bother you, very much.
4. tell yourself: "I am under the influence of a drug right now. A drug that will wear off. This feeling is not permanent. I will feel normal tomorrow."

Let me know if I can give you any advice about anything else. I tried many "new angles of thought". Learned what I wanted to know, don't do anything any more like it. (Well not unless you count, caffeine, nicotine and alcohol)

Chris

E and nothing else, well maybe some MJ as well and some MR to boot

Some good advice, cpomdima.

I had always wondered if anyone else out there categorized drugs into mind- and body-, it's nice to see someone with the same ideas every once in a while. ;)

Dude. You are getting totally bent out of shape. You really need to calm down, relax and start taking your meds again
:icare:

Nice argument.

Unfortunately, I was just repeating what was told to me a long time ago by some guys who were shrooming at the time. I never really cared to know the mechanism of getting tweaked. But after being criticized on that erroneous statement. I concede. Never mistake a seemingly intelligent conversation while your under the influence for truth unless it can be backed up. Which brings me to a few grade school and high school teachers I had.

Not an argument. An observation since everyone is gettomg way to emotional and screaming (well that's what it seems like) to back up everything with facts while not doing the same for themselves. Remember this is just a forum.

:o

THE WORST DRUG IS ALCOHOL AND NO ONE CAN ARGUE AGAINST THAT!

:) have a nice day

First off- I'm not preaching I smoked pot daily as available for 13 years , done lotsa shrooms, acid about 10x, coke 1x, and most of my freinds are fucked up one way or another do to their use. I have quit everything, tobacco was the hardest, and don't kid yourself about "experimenting". I would bet you're a kid (under 25) as far as use and time are concerned, that's too young to know how this really works. Your peers may be fine for now, but that's how insidious this shit is. I've seen people jump off roofs, bottom out , get arrested, fuck people they have no business with, get arrested, run, etc. You get the point. We all start off "experimenting". That's why it's called recreational use, man. In some places Russian Roulette is considered recreation!
If you want to play this way you really need to take a deep, quiet look at your inside condition and observe causes&conditions. Something is amiss! I know cause I've taken the long way around and paid with a large part of my humanity. And I was the lucky one with balance..The one people said "See it's not so bad-He's on the honor roll and using everyday!" Well sometimes you find out too fucking late that drugs sneak up on you. I've done well and still wish I hadn't gotten involved. You will have the same desire, only you will be older and more beat up when you bottom out and have to face it. This is from a functional addict! past tense luckily..
Anyway--That said: As long as you don't have any potential mental illness (ask family about genetic history, especially Schizophrenia), shrooms can be a great way to take a look at life with a new face on. go with psilocybe cubensis- your basic white stem golden-brown capped variety. They are the most common and most stable. Some other varieties can be up to 30x stronger. Had 4grams of those once and shit you not I thought I was dying and didn't care. Would've been a good way to go, but life is too short as is- don't rush it ok? Most importantly, go outside with friends and a cell phone safe from society and enjoy yourself. Drink lots of water after your tripping so you don't puke.( 1-2 hours in)
As for speed- no fun, addictive, and a heart attack waiting to happen. Your head will tingle- Big fuckin deal! Not worth it.
Ecstacy- really fun, expensive, but addictive. After the 1st time, you will never feel as good, so walk away, far away after 1 use. My raver friends who didn't are depressed and it's been years since they used. It taps your brain chemistry FOREVER.. a sharp sword- be careful!
K is shitty from the outside ( I dodged that bullet) but the same friends used it for some reason. Desperation I think..They sure as hell didn't appear to ever have any fun on it.
Coke suck people up and leaves holes on an MRI of your brain. No shit! I work in medicine and heard this from a guy who does MRI's for a living. First-hand friends have gone down on this one, and one has remained functional, but still craves it so bad he's debilitated once every few months. So you feel good for awhile..You will pay in the long run for this one.
Acid is not as good as shrooms in my opinion, and will give you an achy spine from overuse. Goes away though..See shrooms on the mental illness precautions.
Again- I was lucky and got out wounded..Most don't- I was like you and I know no-one can stop you. If your as independent as I was, you sure as hell better be as mentally stable and as willfull, Cause your gonna need it!!!
Good Luck Friend...