Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community (https://thetfp.com/tfp/)
-   Tilted Knowledge and How-To (https://thetfp.com/tfp/tilted-knowledge-how/)
-   -   Cannot figure out this calculus problem at all! (https://thetfp.com/tfp/tilted-knowledge-how/77565-cannot-figure-out-calculus-problem-all.html)

Artsemis 12-02-2004 04:11 AM

Cannot figure out this calculus problem at all!
 
Okay...

A cylinder is given, laying on its side. It is 6 feet long, and has a 3 feet diameter. There is a pipe coming into the cylinder one foot above the top of it and extending to the bottom to pump out water. Given F = 9.8 * 1000, what is the work required to pump all of the water out?

Remember, its laying on its side... so the height is the diameter.

What I tried was the following:

Integral from 0 to 1.5: (2)(9800)(4-x)^2(pi)(6)dx
Which comes out to 9800(126pi)

This is incorrect. I have the answer which is supposed to come out to 9800(33.75pi)



Thanks for any help =)

Pip 12-02-2004 07:23 AM

What do you mean by "work" in this case? Where will the water end up? You should only need to figure out how much the centre of gravity of the body of water has been elevated, and how much the water weighs.

Artsemis 12-02-2004 08:33 AM

It doesn't matter where the water is going :) On the ground beside the cylinder if it helps I guess. =d

Pip 12-02-2004 08:45 AM

Well then, how do you define "work"? If the water is just going to the ground it will not require any actual work.

Artsemis 12-02-2004 10:16 AM

"There is a pipe coming into the cylinder one foot above the top of it and extending to the bottom to pump out water."

It doesn't take work to life the water over the 3 foot wall of the cylinder? ;)

Slavakion 12-02-2004 11:37 AM

I think for this problem, work is referring to the "physics work" or Force*Distance.

Artsemis 12-02-2004 10:59 PM

Now I have it set up like..

The integral from 0 to 3 of: 9.8*1000*6*(x+1)*(2*sqrt(2.25-x^2))

You can distribute the x+1 into two integrals but I cannot get this to solve correctly :/

Pip 12-03-2004 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artsemis
"There is a pipe coming into the cylinder one foot above the top of it and extending to the bottom to pump out water."

It doesn't take work to life the water over the 3 foot wall of the cylinder? ;)

Not if you set up a siphon, no. But I guess "work" here refers to getting all the water up to the exit... by the way, how does a pipe enter something one foot above it? Also, my old thermodynamics professor would tear you apart for not giving units, like F=9.8*1000 of what? Newton? Pounds per cubic foot?
At every lecture he'd mock some poor student who had made a stupid error on one of his exams. We all lived in mortal fear of becoming one of his examples.

Artsemis 12-03-2004 05:02 AM

Work is force x distance, if that's what you need to know. And yes, even with a siphon there is work being done - by the siphon. As for the hose comment, the pipe enters the cylinder from a height one foot above the top. Meaning it has to lift the water 1 extra foot past the top of the cylinder before it can exit.

But before we get too far off topic - let me just say that I figured this out.

I had to take the integral from -1.5 to 1.5 and use 2.5 - x for the height of the pipe for any who was wondering.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:29 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
© 2002-2012 Tilted Forum Project


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46