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MuadDib 10-08-2003 02:12 PM

Jungian Personality Types
 
I study psychology and political science in college and Jung is one of my favorite psychologists. I think a lot can be related to your personality type and I was just curious as to where people fall along the 16 type scale.

Anyone willing to take part please fill out this questionairre and report your results:
http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp

I am an ENFP

Here is the link to check out what other peoples types say about them:
http://typelogic.com/

SiN 10-08-2003 02:32 PM

Your Type is
ISTP
Introverted Sensing Thinking Perceiving
Strength of the preferences %
44 1 56 11

interesting, thx for the link.

i would've thought i'd score higher on perceiving
(i consider perception to be one of my stronger qualities) and perhaps a bit on the intuitive (i feel i've got a strong sense of intuition)

:shrug: still quite interesting and i've always been a fan of Mr Jung.

:)

lordjeebus 10-08-2003 05:17 PM

I'm an INFJ

It's important to note that the Myers-Briggs Personality Test (this, basically) was based on Jung's ideas of personality but was not created by Jung.

From my reading of Jung it seems that "personality" is not the best way to describe typology because it implies that one's characteristics are constant and innate qualities -- whereas I think Jung would argue that typologies develop and change throughout one's life.

I'm not a huge fan of this test because it does more to measure how you envision yourself rather than how you actually act. Another thing I don't like is how you have to make sweeping generalizations when there is a lot of situational stuff going into how I act.

MuadDib 10-08-2003 06:07 PM

The Myers-Briggs test is directly based off of Jung's book "Personalty Types", but you are right it was not created by Jung. It is merely Jungian.

In this work however, Jung does assert that there is a reliably constant "persona" and "ego" that exists at the conscious level. These raise up out of your unconscious and are somewhat hereditary (though not genetic). Basically, we all have certain roles we that we put on (such as father, son, professor, student, etc) and these roles are for society but beneath that we all have this concept of "this is really who I am". That remains pretty constant after childhood. Anyway, we need that persona & ego to keep all of the things we think and do that we consider not me out of our personality (like when we act a way or say something that is out of character). Anyway, the point is that since our personality and who we present to the world solely derives from within us it is therefore only how we perceive ourselves that matters.

Sapper 10-08-2003 06:17 PM

Very cool !! Thanks for the link.

I'm an eNTj :D :D :p

lordjeebus 10-08-2003 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MuadDib
That remains pretty constant after childhood...Anyway, the point is that since our personality and who we present to the world solely derives from within us it is therefore only how we perceive ourselves that matters.
I agree with most of what you said but not on these two points.

I don't have a copy of "Personality Types," but I have read Anthony Stevens' (a Jungian psychiatrist) "Jung: A Very Short Introduction"* book. In his summary of "Psychological Types" by Jung, he states that "All typological possibilities are theoretically available to the Self, but it is useful to be able to establish those co-ordinates that one is using to chart one's course through life. Jung accepted that this course is never intractably fixed; it may at any time be subject to alteration." He also states that "Jung argued that one's type was as much determined by genetic as by environmental factors," implying that who we present to the world comes from more than just what is within us.

I think Jung thought that the various parts of Myers-Briggs personality were functions available for anyone to use. People tend to use some functions more than others, but that does not mean that they cannot develop their underused functions during adulthood. Considering that Jung's individuation process involves dissolution of the persona, it is strange to argue that one cannot change it.

Unconsciously, I would agree that the Self varies from person to person, is stable, and is not effected by one's environment.

Great topic! I also enjoy Jung's ideas.

*I should add that Oxford's VSI series is of high quality and is great for getting a comprehensive overview of all sorts of complex fields of knowledge.

MuadDib 10-08-2003 08:25 PM

True, I think we just misunderstood each other. I didn't mean that all the different types weren't available to everyone. We all have a collective unconscience (according to Jung) and therefore all have the same pool of possible selves to create our persona from though we have tendencies towards types that fall within our heritage/environment. What I meant was that changing ones personality rarely occurs and it is even rarer that it should occur without some life altering trauma to induce it. So what I meant, was that for most people personality type is pretty much set after it develops though ideally we can dissolve the persona and even the ego to transcend our individual existence. This is very hard and happens in only a fraction of a percent of people.

Mephisto2 10-08-2003 08:25 PM

Heh...

I had to do this test at work just yesterday. Quite a coincidence.

I'm an ENTJ

Isn't this better known as the Meyer-Briggs test?

Mr Mephisto

MuadDib 10-08-2003 08:35 PM

That's nuts. Why did you have to take it at work?

And yes, this is similar to the Meyers-Briggs test which is a derivative of Jungian psychology. I just titled to encourage not only test taking and reporting, but also some discussion about the psychology this reflects (Jung's).

Lorgatron 10-09-2003 03:54 AM

I'm an ISFJ with strength percentages at 56%, 22%, 33%, and 11%. However after reading the description of an ISFJ I'm not completely sure of the accuracy... some of the questions did seem like sweeping generalizations that were difficult to answer with any degree of certainty.

Kadath 10-09-2003 05:42 AM

First of all:
"You easily understand new theoretical principles"
Yeah, sure, I'm on the cutting edge of theoretical molecular biology.
Second of all:
"You think that everything in the world is relative"
Who could honestly answer yes to that? It's too broad.

Now. INFP. 56% 22% 11% 11%
My percentages are somewhat close to Lorgatron's.

jwoody 10-09-2003 07:31 AM

Your Type is
INTJ
Introverted Intuitive Thinking Judging

Strength of the preferences %
44 44 44 1

The explanation given by Dr. Whatever said something about a mastermind. I couldn't be bothered to read the rest.

I think the above sentence sums me up pretty good.




more fire 10-09-2003 09:14 AM

I am:

* slightly expressed extrovert
* slightly expressed sensing personality
* moderately expressed thinking personality
* distinctively expressed perceiving personality

dimbulb 10-09-2003 07:39 PM

Your Type is
INTP
Introverted(56%) Intuitive(67%) Thinking(22%) Perceiving(78%)

I've taken this test a few times, not surprisingly, the results have mainly come out the same....

the description below is so true of how i typically behave... heh..
Quote:

INTPs are pensive, analytical folks. They may venture so deeply into thought as to seem detached, and often actually are oblivious to the world around them.
Precise about their descriptions, INTPs will often correct others (or be sorely tempted to) if the shade of meaning is a bit off. While annoying to the less concise, this fine discrimination ability gives INTPs so inclined a natural advantage as, for example, grammarians and linguists.

INTPs are relatively easy-going and amenable to most anything until their principles are violated, about which they may become outspoken and inflexible. They prefer to return, however, to a reserved albeit benign ambiance, not wishing to make spectacles of themselves.

A major concern for INTPs is the haunting sense of impending failure. They spend considerable time second-guessing themselves. The open-endedness (from Perceiving) conjoined with the need for competence (NT) is expressed in a sense that one's conclusion may well be met by an equally plausible alternative solution, and that, after all, one may very well have overlooked some critical bit of data. An INTP arguing a point may very well be trying to convince himself as much as his opposition. In this way INTPs are markedly different from INTJs, who are much more confident in their competence and willing to act on their convictions.

Mathematics is a system where many INTPs love to play, similarly languages, computer systems--potentially any complex system. INTPs thrive on systems. Understanding, exploring, mastering, and manipulating systems can overtake the INTP's conscious thought. This fascination for logical wholes and their inner workings is often expressed in a detachment from the environment, a concentration where time is forgotten and extraneous stimuli are held at bay. Accomplishing a task or goal with this knowledge is secondary.

INTPs and Logic -- One of the tipoffs that a person is an INTP is her obsession with logical correctness. Errors are not often due to poor logic -- apparent faux pas in reasoning are usually a result of overlooking details or of incorrect context.

Games NTs seem to especially enjoy include Risk, Bridge, Stratego, Chess, Go, and word games of all sorts. (I have an ENTP friend that loves Boggle and its variations. We've been known to sit in public places and pick a word off a menu or mayonnaise jar to see who can make the most words from its letters on a napkin in two minutes.) The INTP mailing list has enjoyed a round of Metaphore, virtual volleyball, and a few 'finish the series' brain teasers.

INTPs in the main are not clannish. The INTP mailing list, with a readership now in triple figures, was in its incipience fraught with all the difficulties of the Panama canal: we had trouble deciding on:

1) whether or not there should be such a group,
2) exactly what such a group should be called, and
3) which of us would have to take the responsibility for organization and maintenance of the aforesaid group/club/whatever.

Dibbler 10-10-2003 05:02 AM

INTJ - 44% 33% 11% 11%

vermin 10-11-2003 08:04 AM

INTJ
Introverted Intuitive Thinking Judging
Strength of the preferences %
89 44 22 11
very expressed introvert
moderately expressed intuitive personality
slightly expressed thinking personality
slightly expressed judging personality

Whatever system an INTJ happens to be working on is for them the equivalent of a moral cause to an INFJ; both perfectionism and disregard for authority may come into play, as INTJs can be unsparing of both themselves and the others on the project. Anyone considered to be "slacking," including superiors, will lose their respect -- and will generally be made aware of this; INTJs have also been known to take it upon themselves to implement critical decisions without consulting their supervisors or co-workers.

Yup.

Famous INTJs:
Dan Aykroyd, actor (The Blues Brothers)
Susan B. Anthony, suffragist
Augustus Caesar (Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus), Emperor of Rome
William F. Buckley, Jr., conservative political advocate
Chevy Chase (Cornelius Crane), actor (Fletch)
Phil Donahue, television talk show host
Hannibal, Carthaginian military leader
Peter Jennings, television newscaster
Charles Everett Koop, former U.S. surgeon general
C. S. Lewis, author (The Chronicles of Narnia)
Joan Lunden, television talk show host
Pernell Roberts, actor (Bonanza)
Maria Owens Shriver, television newscaster
Rudy Giuliani, New York City mayor
Donald Rumsfeld, US Secretary of Defense
General Colin Powell, US Secretary of State

U.S. Presidents:
Chester A. Arthur
Calvin Coolidge
Thomas Jefferson
John F. Kennedy
James K. Polk
Woodrow Wilson

Rubyee 10-11-2003 08:20 AM

I am ENTP.

Extrovertive Intuitive Thinking Percieving.

Is it just me, or do extrovertive and intuituve not go well together?

lordjeebus 10-11-2003 11:22 AM

There's nothing strange about an extrovertive intuitives. The term "intuitive" in the case of Jungian personality has to do with perceptive style -- do you sense things or intuit (is that a word?) them. "Intuition" is your ability to "see around corners."

This does not mean that only "Intuitive" people are capable of this perception style, only that they tend to use it more than their sensory perception function.

rainheart 10-11-2003 12:43 PM

ENTP as well. I don't know, my personality seems to be in flux a lot, it changes, but maybe that's just the part that stands out the most.

Extroverted Intuitive Thinking Perceiving
Strength of the preferences %
11 44 33 78

CSflim 10-11-2003 01:24 PM

Wow. considering the nature of the question, I though this test gave quite an accurate description of me.

Your Type is
INTJ
Introverted Intuitive Thinking Judging
Strength of the preferences %
100 78 78 33

* very expressed introvert
* very expressed intuitive personality
* very expressed thinking personality
* moderately expressed judging personality

TIO 10-12-2003 12:50 AM

Your Type is
ENTP
Extroverted Intuitive Thinking Perceiving
Strength of the preferences %
44 44 33 22

ubertuber 10-12-2003 05:28 PM

I came out as an INTJ
22 44 67 89

The second description (by Butt and Heiss) is frighteningly accurate. It is too bad that this wasn't activated as a poll so we could see the breakdown of TFPers and how it compares to society as a whole.

I took this several years ago when I was working in Residence Life stuff at school. It was an interesting exercise in that it gave some insight into where friction might come from in our staff - and how to see both sides of the story.

feartheraiders6 10-12-2003 06:39 PM

I'm an INTP

I once took the much much longer version of this test that had about 20 pages worth of information on the end of it... I believe that it said

INTP were the lowest percentage... anyone else out there an INTP?

Also... it would be awesome if the person that posted this thread would go through and calculate the totals and put it in the cohesive working chart (that thing that plots where all the personality types stand with each other).... just an idea

laconic1 10-12-2003 08:37 PM

Your Type is
INTJ
Introverted 89
Intuitive 11
Thinking 67
Judging 33

Of the four aspects of strategic analysis and definition it is the contingency planning or entailment organizing role that reaches the highest development in Masterminds. Entailing or contingency planning is not an informative activity, rather it is a directive one in which the planner tells others what to do and in what order to do it. As the organizing capabilities the Masterminds increase so does their inclination to take charge of whatever is going on.

It is in their abilities that Masterminds differ from the other Rationals, while in most of their attitudes they are just like the others. However there is one attitude that sets them apart from other Rationals: they tend to be much more self-confident than the rest, having, for obscure reasons, developed a very strong will. They are rather rare, comprising no more than, say, one percent of the population. Being very judicious, decisions come naturally to them; indeed, they can hardly rest until they have things settled, decided, and set. They are the people who are able to formulate coherent and comprehensive contingency plans, hence contingency organizers or "entailers."

Masterminds will adopt ideas only if they are useful, which is to say if they work efficiently toward accomplishing the Mastermind's well-defined goals. Natural leaders, Masterminds are not at all eager to take command of projects or groups, preferring to stay in the background until others demonstrate their inability to lead. Once in charge, however, Masterminds are the supreme pragmatists, seeing reality as a crucible for refining their strategies for goal-directed action. In a sense, Masterminds approach reality as they would a giant chess board, always seeking strategies that have a high payoff, and always devising contingency plans in case of error or adversity. To the Mastermind, organizational structure and operational procedures are never arbitrary, never set in concrete, but are quite malleable and can be changed, improved, streamlined. In their drive for efficient action, Masterminds are the most open-minded of all the types. No idea is too far-fetched to be entertained-if it is useful. Masterminds are natural brainstormers, always open to new concepts and, in fact, aggressively seeking them. They are also alert to the consequences of applying new ideas or positions. Theories which cannot be made to work are quickly discarded by the Masterminds. On the other hand, Masterminds can be quite ruthless in implementing effective ideas, seldom counting personal cost in terms of time and energy.

DeathTongue 10-12-2003 10:58 PM

Your Type is
ENFJ
Extroverted Intuitive Feeling Judging
Strength of the preferences %
33 33 11 22

Im not entirely sure I agree with every detail, but it seemed pretty close.

CSflim 10-13-2003 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ubertuber
It is too bad that this wasn't activated as a poll so we could see the breakdown of TFPers and how it compares to society as a whole.
There are 16 different personalities, but TFP polls have a max of 10 options, so you couldn't do it.

You could have just 4 options (I/E, N/S, F/T, P/J) and allow multiple voting, but that would pretty much miss the point!

Maybe someone could set up an off site poll?
I agree, it would be interesting to see the results.

seizei 10-13-2003 11:43 PM

Your Type is
ENFP
Extroverted Intuitive Feeling Perceiving
Strength of the preferences %
33 22 44 11

Description:
The Champion Idealists are abstract in thought and speech, cooperative in accomplishing their aims, and informative and extraverted when relating with others. For Champions, nothing occurs which does not have some deep ethical significance, and this, coupled with their uncanny sense of the motivations of others, gives them a talent for seeing life as an exciting drama, pregnant with possibilities for both good and evil. This type is found in only about 3 percent of the general population, but they have great influence because of their extraordinary impact on others. Champions are inclined to go everywhere and look into everything that has to do with the advance of good and the retreat of evil in the world. They can't bear to miss out on what is going on around them; they must experience, first hand, all the significant social events that affect our lives. And then they are eager to relate the stories they've uncovered, hoping to disclose the "truth" of people and issues, and to advocate causes. This strong drive to unveil current events can make them tireless in conversing with others, like fountains that bubble and splash, spilling over their own words to get it all out.

Champions consider intense emotional experiences as being vital to a full life, although they can never quite shake the feeling that a part of themselves is split off, uninvolved in the experience. Thus, while they strive for emotional congruency, they often see themselves in some danger of losing touch with their real feelings, which eNFps possess in a wide range and variety. In the same vein, eNFps strive toward a kind of spontaneous personal authenticity, and this intention always to "be themselves" is usually communicated nonverbally to others, who find it quite attractive. All too often, however, eNFps fall short in their efforts to be authentic, and they tend to heap coals of fire on themselves, berating themselves for the slightest self-conscious role-playing.


---------> Last time I took this test (10 years ago), I was an INFJ... interesting to see how it has changed!!!

Sledge 10-14-2003 12:05 AM

INTP, yo. Represent.

Moonduck 10-14-2003 03:44 PM

ENTP

filtherton 10-14-2003 06:23 PM

I've taken this test four or five times in the last 10 years. Always ended up INFP. I think i keep getting closer to E though. The descrptions seem mostly accurate, the keirsey more than the butt.

Mephisto2 10-14-2003 06:44 PM

Am I the only ENTJ here?!

Bummer...

Mephisto2 10-14-2003 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MuadDib
That's nuts. Why did you have to take it at work?

So our new Manager could "get to know/understand us better"...


COUGH*bull*COUGH*shit

I told him I'd save the company $500 and tell him my Personality Type. Wanker.

I don't think he thought it was as funny as I did.

:)

Mr Mephisto

yellowgowild 10-14-2003 06:49 PM

ENTP

You are:

slightly expressed extrovert

very expressed intuitive personality

moderately expressed thinking personality

moderately expressed perceiving personality

Jaseca 10-15-2003 12:32 PM

ENTP

But hardly strong in any of them

zenmaster10665 10-16-2003 01:27 AM

INTJ - Wow...really interesting analysis.

Strength of the preferences %
Introverted - 11
Intuitive - 44
Thinking - 67
Judging - 22





Qualitative analysis of your type formula

You are:
slightly expressed introvert

moderately expressed intuitive personality

distinctively expressed thinking personality

slightly expressed judging personality

zenmaster10665 10-16-2003 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ubertuber

The second description (by Butt and Heiss) is frighteningly accurate.

Amazingly accurate...I agree...

Sapper 10-16-2003 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr Mephisto
Am I the only ENTJ here?!

Bummer...

I'm an ENTJ also ...

.. do recall that we represent only 2% of the population ;) :D

dy156 10-16-2003 07:25 AM

another ENTJ here.

SiNai 10-16-2003 12:35 PM

I think it's about the most popular combination:

Your Type is
INTJ
Introverted Intuitive Thinking Judging
Strength of the preferences %
33 33 33 44

moderately expressed introvert
moderately expressed intuitive personality
moderately expressed thinking personality
moderately expressed judging personality

So it seems I'm moderately everything.. but christ, the description (the second one), I'm sure my gf would agree, is me 100%!

Xenomorph 10-16-2003 06:31 PM

INTJ. Pretty accurate for me, although I've seen several more thorough personality analysis thingies.


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