Trying to hook up my PS-3 to the internet wirelessly...
 

Before I even begin, please realize that I am basically retarded when it comes to computers. The biggest issue I have is finding what my WEP key is. I believe I have found it ("Key Code" under "Details" from here: http://192.168.0.1). The problem is, when I enter the code and confirm it, it says "The character s you entered are not valid. For hexadecimal: Use 10 or 26 characters from the ranges 0-9, a-f, and A-F

For ASCII: Use 5 or 13 characters.

At the same time, the "network at a glance" portion of the main page states that there's no password. What exactly the hell is going on? I'm so beyond confused right now!

Also, I don't know where to get the following information:
Subnet Mask
Default Router
Primary DNS
Secondary DNS

If you have to know, I'm using a 2-Wire 2700HG-D.

it should be what you set it to when you setup your wireless router. if you didn't do anything to set it up, then the password is currently nothing.

Also if CYNTHETIQ is correct that your still on a default no password setup for the WEP key in the wireless router, you might want to consider creating one.

If you had a installer set it up for you they most commonly use a 10 digit password WEP key which is usually your home phone number with area code (xxx)xxx-xxxx totals 10 digits.

Where oh where can we all begin.

As far as security goes I would recommend WPA instead of WEP, while neither of them two is totally bulletproof "if there is a will there is a way" WPA is by far the more secure choice and the one chosen by more professionals for their wireless security.

As far as your router goes you have a couple of options, you can enable DHCP in the router which will allow a device that connects to it to be assigned an IP address by the router itself instead of you creating a static IP addy that your device will always use. Either way is fine, but by not using DHCP you are just getting a little more in depth with the settings and you will be setting up everything manually within the PS3 to allow it to connect. Also assigning a static IP address should also allow you to somewhere in your router settings assign what is called a DMZ host, which basically means that the router will allow all traffic to that machine and none of the ports will be blocked which really is your best bet to make sure that all the functions of your game work. I have my PS3 set as DMZ and have never had problems like some have as far as mic not working in a certain game, or a game timing out etc etc.

I am far from the network guru around here so I am not familiar with a 2-Wire router at all so I cannot tell you where to look for the settings you need in there, however as I have my PS3 set up wirelessly if someone is willing to help you with the router issue, I would be more than happy to lend my knowledge on the PS3 side of the issue.

Thanks, Montana! I do have a DHCP addy, and I've found my WEP key. I think I'll stay with WEP for now, but I'll keep WPA in mind. The issue I currently have is that the PS-3 doesn't like my DNS number. It gives me the error code 807010102.

DHCP should be handled automatically by your router, as should DNS. If you're unable to work those, try the super-secret DNS 4.2.2.0 as primary and 4.2.2.1 as secondary.

WEP is a very weak encryption standard and is easily cracked with readily available tools (no I will not provide links). WPA is a much stronger protocol and is generally considered to be most commonly prone to ID10T errors; so long as you use a cryptographically strong passphrase, WPA-PSK has no known vulnerabilities.

question about that Martian...

if all that is going over the wifi is gaming information how important is the security? thus if it's just the PS3 that is on there, the WEP/WPA degredation of signal (which IMO equals speed to most degrees) what harm is there in leaving it open?

so you can MAC filter so no one is squatting on your connection, but is it really any big deal that someone sees you're playing GTA4 or Wii Sports

I may be mistaken, but that is probably just a generic error code that the PS3 gives when encountering any online errors.

Are you able to get online at all, if yes or no what happens and at what point in the sign in process do you lose connection?

Are you able to get into the PS Store? Can you see your buddy list? Are you able to use the web browser? Can you play any games online at all or offline only?


Chiming in, we also don't know if the entire network in use is secured with WEP, or is the PS3 the only thing running wireless? I personally have my PC hardwired, with my PS3 and both laptops on the WLAN.

80710102 - IP conflict , PS3 Cannot connect to the router with current IP information - Try rebooting your router

PS3 error code description. Are you sure that you don't have a static IP somewhere and the PS3 is getting the same IP addy somehow through DHCP?

yes that part I get montana, which is why I'm stating it as the simplest part.

I have a Tivo on wifi, it's really the only thing that is on wifi so do I really have to concern myself about the fact that someone will see that Tivo updates daily and they can see what the updates are... that's what made me think of this same scenario, if it's just for the PS3, what's the advantage?

in my home it's a disadvantage because the cinder block/concrete construction degrade the signal to 30% so transfering to another Tivo takes hours...at 70% with no security it's almost real time.

The problem is that most folk don't segregate their network to that extent. MAC filtering is possible, but it's not 100% secure, since MAC addresses can be spoofed, and if someone does gain access to your network they can give you all kinds of grief without even necessarily requiring access to your sensitive information.

The strongest security for wireless is a network running WPA-PSK with MAC filtering and SSID broadcast disabled. These are also the most hassle to set up. A good middle ground is to simply enable WPA-PSK and use that. WEP is better than nothing, but WPA is better than WEP.

Encryption doesn't necessarily degrade the signal. It does cause the signal to be a bit more sensitive to interference and may cause an increase in lag, depending on the quality of the hardware. 2-Wire doesn't have the best reputation so there may be issues, but if it were me I'd rather play it safe.



A Google search indicates that the error is specific to DNS issues. I'm unfamiliar with PS3 networking hardware, so I don't know exactly how one goes about setting it up, but it should be possible to use the router as a DNS server, which will allow the router to in turn use it's default. The addresses I provided should also work, however.

Given that DNS is unavailable, unless the PS3 connects to the service via a pre-stored IP (which is unlikely), I'm guessing that there is no access at all.

Most wireless routers don't give the option to selectively encrypt; thus, either the entire wireless network is secured or it isn't (excepting one using multiple access points, but that goes beyond the scope of this discussion I think). If we use the lock analogy, WEP is like cheap department store lock, WPA is like a deadbolt and an unsecured network is like leaving the door wide open.

EDIT - Assuming that your Tivo is able to access the internet and thus is part of your wider home network, this is a major security vulnerability. Nobody's going to be interested in accessing your Tivo, that much is probably true; however, if your router is broadcasting it's SSID and is not using encryption then it is possible to gain access to the router and through it the rest of your network. Depending on your setup this could equate to anything from gaining access to your PC, to key-stroke captures, to even getting you in trouble with the law.

Wireless networks should always be encrypted. Even if it's just WEP to keep the honest folk honest, that's still better than nothing.

Where I'm sitting right now, I am able to access four wireless networks. Three are using WEP encryption, which means that it could take me upwards of fifteen minutes to gain access if I were so inclined. The other one is open. This is a home PC with no unreasonable modifications. I've considered doing a bit of wardriving to see how secure the rest of my town is, but I don't have a laptop at the moment to do it with; on the other hand, I do know people who do this as a hobby. If your network is unsecured there could be people gaining unauthorized access to it as we speak. Most folk think of this as a bad thing.

I was just agreeing that's all

It's booting me off while I test the connection, right after I plug in all of the information. I was reading a bit on the code and some have said that it's the router getting bogged down too much and that resetting the router works. At this point, though, I think I'll try again in the morning. It's getting late and I have to go to work early tomorrow.

And Martian - the codes you provided, for what ever reason, didn't work.

I am, however, currently on a wireless connection through my laptop. Do you think that disabling my computer while trying to connect via my PS-3 would do the trick (that's perhaps a dumbass question, but as I've previously stated, I'm an idiot when it comes to computers)?

Also, I was thinking of a way to gain internet access for my PS-3 through my laptop. Is there a way to do that?

4.2.2.x servers are run by Verizon and are primary DNS servers; in other words, many of the other servers out there get their tables from those ones. If you can't connect to them then the problem is deeper than a simple DNS issue.

If your laptop is on the same wLAN then the problem isn't the router; rather, it's something specific to the PS3's connection. Unfortunately this is where I leave you to your own devices, as I have zero experience with setting up PS3's for wireless connections.

Connecting your PS3 through your laptop should be technically possible, but is a great deal more complicated. You're better to get the PS3 connecting properly to your router.

Would you mind telling me the settings you have enabled on the PS3 connection screens and we can work from there?

Sure. I'm going with the easy method, Scan for WLAN, enter my WEP, manual IP setting, automatic MTU, no on proxy, enabled UPnP.



What kind of issue(s)?

The reason that I think my router can't deal with two wireless connections at the same time is because that seemed to be the deal when I had my PS-3 at my friend's place. He just got a wireless surround system and whenever he activated, the PS-3's internet connection didn't like it and it would boot us off.

That makes no sense at all that either a surround sound system or another wireless device would boot the PS3 offline. I do wonder though if there is an issue with your PS3 possibly since it had problems at someone else's house.

Something that crossed my mind too, is that whoever set up your router could have possibly enabled mac filtering which is why your PS3 is not able to make a connection?

Wireless speakers don't use Wifi. They are in the 2.4 GHz range, however, which is the same general frequency used by Wifi connections; that explains why they were interfering with each other. A great many home devices are using that band these days, which can lead to problems. Wireless access points are capable of handling multiple devices.

The router is able to establish a connection with your laptop and your laptop is able to connect to the internet. From this we can conclude that your internet connection is okay and the wireless function of the router is working properly. Your PS3 was unable to resolve 4.2.2.x DNS servers which are pretty much always available (and which I'm using as I type this), so your PS3 isn't connecting properly. Simple logic tells us that the problem is related to your PS3, then.

What are you setting as your PS3's IP address? It should be 192.168.0.x (probably between 10 and 100). If that's okay you can try temporarily disabling WEP and connecting that way to see if you can further isolate the problem. For reasons listed above I strongly recommend against running an unencrypted wLAN, so if the PS3 is able to connect without WEP further troubleshooting will be required.

If in fact, he is using DHCP as stated above then he would have to see via the router if it is assigning an IP addy to the PS3 when it attempts to login or get online at all. Mine is running via a static IP so I have an addy listed even when I am offline, however, with DHCP it probably only gets assigned an IP when trying to get online.

That's what I've been thinking, too. I am going to go see my friend later today. He was able to get it to connect at his place. I'm going to ask him exactly what he did.

The last set of the code's 64. So that's fine. How do I temporarily disable WEP?

Also, how would I find out if there's a mac filter enabled, and if the router's trying to assign an IP for my PS-3?

Again, I am not familiar with your model of router so I cannot give you exact details but somewhere in your wireless security setting on the router you should have an option for mac address filtering or something similar. It is a wireless security feature that will have the router allow or block access to the internet based on the device trying to connects mac address.

As for the router trying to assign an IP it would have to have DHCP server enabled, most likely in the main router settings page, or very close to it. Also with the PS3 set to auto to get online for the most part the router would assign the IP addy as well as a DNS server so you shouldn't have a problem there.

Please report back with exactly what your friend did, as well as the model of router and settings they used.

To disable WEP you'll have to turn it off on your router and on all connected device. Instead of selecting WEP for encryption just set it to none.

A MAC filter shouldn't be enabled unless you or whoever set up your wLAN initially did so. You can check in your router's wireless options and see if you can find it there.

DHCP is selective and non-error correcting. If you've set your PS3 to a fixed IP address it will use that address as long as it's available. If it's unavailable your connection will not work.

Is there an option to allow the PS3 to set it's IP automatically via DHCP?

EDIT - I've dug out the 2Wire my ISP sent me and had a look at it's web interface. Within the wireless setup is a button labelled "Edit MAC Filtering". If you think MAC filtering may be enabled, try clicking on that button and making sure the checkbox there is empty.

So. I've found out what my friend did. He's connected to the internet without a WEP key, and he didn't use one when mine was at his place.

Martian - there is an option to automatically scan, but I don't have the option to use it. It says that I need to press a button on my router to do so, but when I look for it, the router doesn't have it. It is an older router, tho. I'm going to rassle with it tomorrow. I have found this site that should help:

http://playstation.custhelp.com/cgi-...hp?p_faqid=261

note: there's a link to wi-fi on the bottom of the page.

Something that it mentions is that my 2Wire may not support wifi. I may need to get a WAP in order to get it to work. But I'll figure all that out tomorrow.

If your laptop is connected wirelessly, then the problem isn't wifi.

honestly, it sounds to me like the PS3's wifi implementation is just shoddy.

Have you tried following these instructions?

I wouldn't say it is a shoddy attempt on the PS3's part, while I am sure that people have issues, I personally have none as well as 4 other people I know so it very well could be a combination of the router in conjunction with the PS3.

I did, but it didn't work. So I went through the troubleshooting portion, and found that the "reset the network" option worked.

Thanks a lot, you two! I really appreciate the help.