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zz0011 · 02-07-2006, 03:43 AM

Wasn't sure where else this story would fit, from ~ http://www.nbc5.com/entertainment/66...=entertainment

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NBC5.com
Experts Blame Cop Show For Educating Criminals

POSTED: 11:32 am CST January 31, 2006

CLEVELAND -- When Tammy Klein began investigating crime scenes eight years ago, it was virtually unheard of for a killer to use bleach to clean up a bloody mess.

Today, the use of bleach, which destroys DNA, is not unusual in a planned homicide, said the senior criminalist from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.

Klein and other experts attribute such sophistication to television crime dramas like "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation," which give criminals helpful tips on how to cover up evidence.

Prosecutors have complained for years about "the CSI effect" on juries -- an expectation in every trial for the type of high-tech forensic evidence the show's investigators uncover. It also appears the popular show and its two spinoffs could be affecting how some crimes are committed.

"They're actually educating these potential killers even more," said Capt. Ray Peavy, also of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department and head of the homicide division. "Sometimes I believe it may even encourage them when they see how simple it is to get away with on television."

A man charged in a recent double-homicide in northeast Ohio was a "CSI" fan and went to great lengths to cover his tracks, according to an affidavit filed by Trumbull County prosecutors.

Jermaine "Maniac" McKinney, 25, allegedly broke into a house, killed a mother and daughter and used bleach to remove their blood from his hands, prosecutors said. He also allegedly covered the interior of a getaway car with blankets to avoid transferring blood.

Prosecutors said McKinney burned the bodies, his clothing and removed his cigarette butts -- which would contain his DNA -- from the crime scene.

According to the affidavit, he also tried to throw some evidence into a lake, including a crowbar used to bludgeon one of the victims. The lake was frozen though and he shouted a profanity when the crowbar remained on the surface.

Investigators later recovered the evidence. McKinney, who was indicted this month on two counts of aggravated murder, aggravated burglary and other charges, could face the death penalty if convicted.

Cases where suspects burn and tamper with evidence seem to be increasing, said Chuck Morrow, chief of the criminal division in the Trumbull County Prosecutor's office.

"People are getting more sophisticated with making sure they're not leaving trace evidence at crime scenes," Morrow said.

Klein said most crimes aren't well planned and that detailed attention to prevent leaving trace evidence typically occurs in cases where someone has killed a family member or business partner.

"For the most part, our killings involve gang bangers who for the most part are pretty stupid," she said.

Sophisticated planning and concealment of evidence are aberrations, not the norm, said Larry Pozner, former president of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.

"Most people who commit crimes are not very bright and don't take many precautions," Pozner said. "CSI and all the other crime shows will make no difference."

Yet, in the six years since CBS, which did not return phone calls seeking comment, introduced "CSI," there's been a trend of fewer clues like hair, cigarette butts and the killer's blood left behind at crime scenes, Peavy said.

The more sophisticated the television story lines get, the better equipped criminals will be, Peavy said, adding that he never watches "CSI" because it's too unrealistic.

LazyBoy · 02-07-2006, 09:49 AM

I don't say its TV's fault....IMHO, if people were gonna mess up, then they were gonna mess up....Stupid people still commit stupid crimes and get caught...But, sadly enough, the population is getting smarter...

I'll admit though, I've watched CSI multiple times, and I could have never told you that bleach kills DNA...

-Will

SirLance · 02-07-2006, 10:07 AM

TV is a convenient scapgoat for a host of ills, from bullying to murder. Haven't really seen any serious statistical evidence supporting it, however.

Jinn · 02-07-2006, 10:23 AM

That's an absolute jabberwocky substitution. Twenty years ago, we didn't have the forensic technology to test what we can test now. Likewise, twenty years ago, criminals didn't worry about it.

As technological security advances, so will technological avoidance of security.

DUH! (It has nothing to do with CSI)

Rodney · 02-12-2006, 09:25 PM

I don't know whether it's a serious problem, but criminals have been getting ideas from TV for years. I remember reading an article, oh 35 years back, about criminals who lifted ideas from the original "Mission: Impossible!" TV series to carry out break-ins and safecrackings. And sometimes, it worked.

canadiankamikaz · 02-13-2006, 04:06 PM

what about amonia? they used that in "The Boondock Saints" right? wonder if that still works today. anyways I blame the real CSI people. how are the secrets of the trade actually getting out?

02-07-2006, 09:49 AM	#2 (permalink)
LazyBoy Insane Location: Memphis Area	I don't say its TV's fault....IMHO, if people were gonna mess up, then they were gonna mess up....Stupid people still commit stupid crimes and get caught...But, sadly enough, the population is getting smarter... I'll admit though, I've watched CSI multiple times, and I could have never told you that bleach kills DNA... -Will __________________ Life is nothing, everything.....and something in between...

02-07-2006, 10:07 AM	#3 (permalink)
SirLance Junkie Location: In the middle of the desert.	TV is a convenient scapgoat for a host of ills, from bullying to murder. Haven't really seen any serious statistical evidence supporting it, however. __________________ DEMOCRACY is where your vote counts, FEUDALISM is where your count votes.

02-07-2006, 10:23 AM	#4 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	That's an absolute jabberwocky substitution. Twenty years ago, we didn't have the forensic technology to test what we can test now. Likewise, twenty years ago, criminals didn't worry about it. As technological security advances, so will technological avoidance of security. DUH! (It has nothing to do with CSI) __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

02-12-2006, 09:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
Rodney Observant Ruminant Location: Rich Wannabe Hippie Town	I don't know whether it's a serious problem, but criminals have been getting ideas from TV for years. I remember reading an article, oh 35 years back, about criminals who lifted ideas from the original "Mission: Impossible!" TV series to carry out break-ins and safecrackings. And sometimes, it worked.

02-13-2006, 04:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
canadiankamikaz Upright Location: Peterborough, Ontario	what about amonia? they used that in "The Boondock Saints" right? wonder if that still works today. anyways I blame the real CSI people. how are the secrets of the trade actually getting out?