Sorry Nintendo DS, PSP is a portible ps2, not a portible n64
 

the PSP is going to be the fucking shit. its a portible ps2. Why would we want a portible N64, that system wasnt that good anyways.


enjoy.

http://www.1up.com/article2/0,2053,1590675,00.asp

yeah but itsnt it going to cost like a gajillion dollars compared to the DS?

I got to touch it today. Yes, it's a portable ps2. Although talking to one of the Sony people he said it's a notch below a PS2.

That thing was amazing. They had it playing movie trailers for Spiderman 2. The game demos were very impressive. They ony had 3 playable demos which I didn't get to see first hand but some ran previews of some upcomming titles.

When it comes out it's gonna be just like when the PS2 first came out. Hard to find. I can see the demand for this becomming very extreme.

I didn't get to see the DS yet so I don't have an opinion on it yet.

I'd post pictures but I don't have hosting atm.

It may be a portable PS2 (or a level below it...I've read that it's not quite up to PS2 standards), but it's also rumored to launch at $250. The Nintendo DS is rumored to launch for $150.

After seeing the new Metroid Prime game run on the DS, I can say that it's definitely above N64 standards. Not Gamecube-quality, but pretty damned close.

Of course, I want both of them. :)

-Lasereth

Said it in all the other DS/PSP threads that have run amok in Tilted Gaming, so I might as well say it here: Screw the DS, the PSP is going to rock the house.

are you gonna back it up or is that just a fanboy comment?

For me, the real questions are "how long can it last on battery power?" and "how well can it fit in my pocket?" If it doesn't measure up well to these two criteria then I object to the use of the adjective "portable" to describe them.

Really, if either system ends up being a laptop, I'll keep my GameBoy Advance SP, thank you very much...

Having had extensive hands on time with both, I can say you're partially right. The PSP will indeed rock, but don't underestimate the DS. It's a kick-ass device and offers more innovation than any game machine I've seen in 9 years of covering this industry professionally. I had 45 minutes of hands on time with it today behind closed doors and it was incredible. I can't wait to get my hands on one with no restrictions.

The only concern I have is the demos I got all took place where the DS was bolted down. I'm afraid the experience will change when it's in the palm of your hand.

check out the original PSP thread made long ago(by yours truly) for video of the PSP in action.

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=19892

STFU and Buy Both! I am.

Sure the PSP is a superior machine in terms of graphics an aestetics but the DS seems to offering a whole lot more in terms of diverse gameplay, I for one cannot wait to use the touch screen.

On the PSP I seriously want METAL GEAR ACID.

On the DS I seriously want METROID HUNTERS.

hey i was wondering.....


DO THESE BACK IT UP, SUCK THIS NINTENDO. Sorry, i love nintendo, i love the gamecube, and i bet ill love the DS, BUT sony is going to win this portable battle. Look at the quality of these screenies. JUST LOOK!

EDIT: Shit, i cant direct link the pictures, here is the koren website. These mother fuckers get all the images first. enjoy.

http://ruliweb.intizen.com/data/ruli...chine&ftext=ps

i wouldn't assume that the psp will win the portable battles from just the superior hardware alone.

don't forget about the gamegear. it was color, better graphics engine and had a tv tuner for the system... yet it made limited inroads against the gameboy. there is a limited market for a $250 dollar portable device... and a large portion of the portable market is skewed towards the younger crowd where 250 is out of price range.

i'm not against sony... but i really would like to see the psp fail, it goes against a lot of what i hope for the game industry. i'm wary of all these convergence devices sony is trying to push. on top of that, it is basically an extention of the regular console platforms... the DS is an attempt at something new and fresh.

Higher quality doens't mean jack, remember, the Dreamcast was miles ahead of the Playstation and N64.

Hulk makes an excellent point. Also we've had Nintendo for portables for a while, thus we know their games, and getting venders for them isn't too hard. You say PSP has better hardware, but the DS goes beyond just simple hardware. Its potential beats just a simple handheld...

Its more than that....

As a FanBoy response...

Fuck the PSP up its ass... The DS shall own you!... :D

Yeah both sounds good to me, but I'm getting the DS first.

gak you whore... did you see the psp demo thing at e3 is fucking sweet.!! fucking eh !!


allthough when ever i hear psp i will think paint shop pro since they claimed that abrieviation first

Glad ya asked! :D

PSP:
http://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/ar...5110828930.jpg

DS:
http://images.1up.com/imageapp/large..._sid126852.jpg

As mentioned above, PSP is literally a notch below PS2. The DS screenshots and movies I've seen so far have been UGLY and outdated when compared to the PSP.

However, the DS will have built in wireless, so that's a plus.

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Also remember, Sony is still #1 in terms of home consoles, so they have more game developers ready to roll on the PSP. Until now, the only handheld console you had was Gameboy. Developers will LOVE the things they can do w/ the PSP vs. the DS.

RE: Dreamcast being better... Sega was doomed from Saturn days. Yes, the DC was a good system, but what good is it if you're the poorest performing home console (in terms of companies developing games for you)?

Why's it always gotta be "PSP pwns and DS sux!!" Why not just accept that both companies kick ass, and both companies are sure to deliver great handhelds? Both systems look excellent. Each has advantages and disadvantages over each other, but remember the companies behind both of them: Nintendo and Sony. The only thing that can result from two handhelds is better games for the players.

-Lasereth

Hmm. I wonder if Sony's techies were good enough to get anything over an hour's worth of battery life?

I have been a Nintendo fan all my life, but I'm excited about both systems. They will each fill my gaming needs. As I've stated before though, your system is only as good as the games you put out for it. We all know Nintendos track record of late.

The PSP has the advantage in that it will do more than play games. I guess we'll find out in a few months!

yes it says 10 hours on the lith ion battery

according to thier e3 press confrence thing

Well, the GBA has a battery life of 18 hours, but if you use the backlit screen (which is basically required) then the life goes down to 10 hours. I'm betting that Sony's 10 hour lifespan is with no backlighting or something like that. If it really is 10 hours, then I applaud them!

-Lasereth

uhmm i dont think sony's has backlighting, i think its a defferent kind of screen, yeah know like a game gear or something


woah! im an addict? when did this happen

oh btw this things going to have need for speed underground... :D

the gamegear was sidelit.

i think that for the portable market... hardware supremacy isn't as important as it is for the home consoles.

the gameboy has smashed all competing handhelds... all of which have superior hardware (neo-geo pocket, ngage, gamegear, wonderswan, lynx etc.). still, i think the psp is the stiffest competition since the gamegear.

i'm just not interested in watching movies on a psp... it's a neat feature, but i know that if i had a psp i wouldn't use that very often. i've got a portable dvd player that doesn't get much use. also (i'm probably in the minority on this), but insanely detailed 3-D graphics aren't a big selling point either. other than the "gee-whiz" appeal... i just don't see myself trying to play halo or mgs on such a little screen for extended periods.

maybe all that'll change... but when i think of how i use portable systems and how i want videogames to progress, the DS seems like the more enjoyable system.

irateplatypus makes an excellent point. Fancy high-detailed 3D graphics are absolutely NOT suited for small, portable screens. If I want to play a game like MGS, I want to sit down and enjoy it on a decent sized television for a few hours at a time. Just thinking about staring at a small screen with 3D graphics on it for an hour or so makes my eyes hurt.

I'm sorry to everyone out there that swears alligance to their Gameboys, I really think the PSP will dominate the market within two years. Think about what the PSone did to the N64. It's going to be the same slaughter all over again.

The PSP will cost $149. I saw it on the E3 live preview on TechTV.

MY though exactly, what is the battery life on a a portable PS2.

nanofever

If you read the above post. You'll know its 10 hour.

huh, that's weird. everywhere else i've read says sony hasn't announced a price point but speculates it won't be any cheaper than 250.

IGN reported on the 11th...

http://psp.ign.com/articles/513/513479p1.html

(last paragraph)

JUST MY OPINION: 10 hours of battery life coming from a company that is a year away from releasing this hardware sounds a lot like 4-5 hours when i'm actually using the unit. it's just the way it works... nearly all companies wildly inflate battery life estimates. they use theoretical figures under the most ideal conditions.

damn you guys are just as bad as the kids and teens in forums dedicated to gaming.

"the PSP will rock just because"
"the DS will suck because it will"

and i love it when people post the BEST screens of their favorite and then the WORST screens of the one that they think will be crap.

i personally think that the DS has the possibilities to entertain gamers much more than the PSP. having two screens will give developers so many more ways to change gameplay around. and a touchpad might not be as gimmicky as people think. add in the fact that you get built in wireless for wireless lan and internet gaming, and you've got something special.

for me, the PSP is just what it says PORTABLE PLAYSTATION. sure it has great graphics, but i can get great graphics on my console. and i really dont have much use for a portable DVD player. and i really think that console gaming and portable gaming are completely different in terms of the types of games.

but what i dont want to see happen is people turn the DS into the kiddy portable, while the PSP is for mature gamers. but i think it'll happen. people always have shit to fight about, they need it. we will never see the day when people actually enjoy gaming....

I think the DS will be great in its own respects. I like Nintendo and I will own both. But the DS so far does not have near the power the PSP has. Not to mention Playstation has lots more third party developers than Nintendo. Hell I still say the Neo Geo Pocket Color rules.

Sony is notorious about fudging statistics on hardware yet to be released. I was talking about the real "everything on playing a game taking the psp to its limit battery life" battery life, not the best possible situation. I'm thing about six to eight hours is what it will actually get.

A picture we took:

http://www.clanidm.com/files/Modifie...s/102_0226.JPG

This shows the Spiderman movie playing. If you look at the top corners you see the trigger buttons. That yellow button on the lower left is the analog joystick and you know the rest.

Cool, a joystick. Nice color, too.
Am I right in that the 8 direction and action buttons are see-through? They look great, either way.

Thanks, Krycheck. :)

There we goo! Nice to see other prototype colours!

Okay, PSP is a not exactly a PS2, its a

PS1.7!!!

oh and to put it into prospective it's about 3 inches longer than a typical pda and just as wide. Colors I saw were this one, white, black and a black and white one that had some sort of zebra-esc stripes on it.

oh and psp does have wireless. bluetooth bitches.

good they both are wireless.. how is it a plus for the PSP?

I hear people talking about wireless like crazy for the DS, how is it a plus for the DS?

More DS pics then to be fair!

It's not that it's the best of/worst of... it's that the DS is an N64 vs. a PS2. Naturally, everything is more polygonal and jaggedy.

For those who want to see for themselves, check out the video demos for the DS and PSP at ign.com:

DS - http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/515/515497p1.html

PSP - http://media.psp.ign.com/articles/51...32/vids_1.html

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Not to say N64 was a bad system for it's time... but c'mon, that was 8 years ago. Sony has made the leap into the handheld market by pretty much introducing a portable PS2. You're tellin me Nintendo couldn't crank out anything beyond an N64? Big mistake there. It doesn't make sense to me that if you're gonna compete with the top dog that you'd release something sub-par (graphics wise) to their product.

Remember, this is the video game industry. Graphics are not icing on the cake... it's pretty much the WHOLE cake.

While it's true that the games themselves will make or break the system in the long run in terms of how fun they are, graphics DO play an integral part. Ask someone to pick the original Gameboy's graphics vs. GBA. GameCube vs. N64? PS1 vs. PS2? Ever play THPS for GBA? Horrid. Remember Mortal Kombat for the original Gameboy? *shudders* It might be a fun way to waste 20 minutes, but given the choice over that or a portable version of the REAL thing, I'd take the latter.

Yeah, you could get the same graphics on your console, but remember, that the latest console technology is already 4 years old (if not older, counting the development time). The fact that it's now portable makes it that much better, IMO.

I'm not a Sony zealot that wants the demise of Nintendo, but man, Nintendo is sure making some silly mistakes. Not to say the DS won't be any fun, but graphics WILL make a huge factor in how well a system (portable or not) sells.

Why would that change now, after all those 'suprerior' competitors came and went without any fuss? And remember, this isn't the sequel to the GBA. That's still in the works. The new system that will coincide with the N5 will very probably blow the PSP out of the water.

as far as the third party developers....you are so wrong its not even funny. the GBA has so many games from so many developers.....actually EVERY developer makes games for the GBA. and all those who supported the GBA have jumped on the DS bandwagon. you simply cannot say that nintendo has no support. the GC has no support, but the GBA and DS are on another leve..

Activision: Spiderman 2
Atari: Project TBA
Bandai: One Piece, other games TBA
Banpresto: Dragon Ball Z
Capcom: Megaman Battle Network, Viewtiful Joe DS, Gyakuten Saiban
Electronic Arts: Need for Speed
From Software Project TBA
Hudson: Bomberman, other projects TBA
Koei: Dynasty Warriors
Konami: Frogger 2005, Yu-Gi-Oh: Nightmare Troubadour
Majesco: Project TBA
Namco: Mr. Driller, TBA RPG
Sega: Project Rub
Square Enix: Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, Egg Monster Hero, Dragon Quest Monsters
Tecmo: Monster Rancher
THQ: Spongebob Squarepants
Ubisoft: Rayman
Vivendi: Project TBA

just look at the games coming out for the DS, and these are just the big names. Viewtful Joe, FF, DRAGON QUEST, Dynasty Warriors.

Indeed. Plus it plays all existing GBA games, so number of titles sure as hell ain't an issue.

HI-RES LINK

STREAMING LINK

some guy took a video camera around and played some of the DS games. i must say it looks pretty damn impressive.

i have also just been informed that the PSP will play movies........but not dvds. yeah, thats right. any movies that you want to watch have to be first put on one of those UMD discs. and as far as that goes i dont think we'll see anybody start selling movies like that.

and then i also found this article....


LINK

Id be sold if I could watch movies on the PSP, or atleast have an add on for it.

Well, you can, but you need to buy the minidiscs for the movies. There's a movie watching thang for the GBA, so it's not a new innovation from Sony.

Damn Sorry man, I just saw the rerun of the E3 Live on TechTv today again. I heard it wrong, the guy say ps2 will cost 149, not psp. :(

Portable Porn, I'm digging it.

but it is actually good quaility from sony

problems with the DS. THe guy in the video says "great 3-d engine, great 3d graphics", but lets face it, psp looks a thousand times better....anyways, also, who wants to play metroid with a stick? i mean, you point at the bad guy, and he dies, there is no aiming, just shove the stick in his face....its cool they have come up with new ideas, and i think the touch screen will be really cool and fun, but i dont want to play metroid prime with a stick, anyways, how do you jump if your left hand moves, and your right is holding the pointer? Psp has an analog stick, that sells me right there.

Square has already annouced that FF7:Advent Children, the movie, will be released on UMD format, and DVD. Lets hope that we will beable to burn or download information onto a blank UMD disc, or at least illegally do it :)

Well there you go, color me stupid. Ya i was mostly talking about the GC for some dumb reason. dont get me wrong i love my GBA and I still like Nintendo, and you telling me that Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest will be on the DS makes me oh so very very happy. Now i will own a PSP and a DS. weeee

show me an annoucement that ff and dq will be on DS. im not saying its true, but i havent read that yet.

http://www.gamespot.com/psp/strategy...cid_e3_103.asx


Sign up, its free. Check out these PSP hands on videos. Very very awesome.

I'm pretty sure that they've managed to get a decent control scheme out. Just because it looks like MP doesn't mean it has to control the exact same way, does it?

I'm sold on the DS. There's a few things I'm worried about on the PSP: size, the screen being scratchtastic, and battery life. Not to mention proprietary movie discs and such. The DS already has a library of GBA games, most importantly MY library of GBA games, and if it has backwards compatibility, also Flash GBA carts for all your retro NES gaming needs, too. Now if those emulator kids figure out a way to use the WiFi with some old NES games, that's pure hotness.

Why would you want to watch a movie on like a 4 inch screen?

Doesn't seem that enjoyable to me.

I HOPE THIS IS SUFFICE

i think IGN is as reliable as anyone else when it came to E3 coverage, so i doubt that they are pulling this out of their ass.

show me a gameplay vid of the PSP, then we'll talk....cuzz pretty much every pic and vid that i've seen is just CG and FMV's running on the PSP, nothing is in-game play footage.

but i do agree with you on the stick thing. i really hope that when this game comes out the stick will be optional.

This is the kind of shot that scares the crap out of me with the PSP:

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/6563/lolpsp.jpg

The main reason I love my GBA SP is the size. Grant it, the DS will be larger, but for integrated Wifi and the like, I know the size has to increase....But, this doesn't easily slip into my work bag.

Actually i already linked to a site with live footage. Why dont you read the thread first.


http://www.gamespot.com/psp/strateg...acid_e3_103.asx

Well I have to say that both handhelds should be awesome... but I will have to agree that if the PSP's only advantage is its extra power, it is not going to last. The Gameboy has a ton of support for it... and thats not to say that the PSP is not going to be great but I think that relying on graphics alone will become its doom.

That said I will most likely buy both as soon as a good game comes out for it.

I have no plans on getting either one of them; I'm sure they'll both kick ass, but I'm not really a hand-held portable gamer. The only thing I really wanted to say was this: N64 was awesome, in my humble opinion, so the DS sounds good to me, plus it strikes me as more innovative.

link's dead my friend

but i did some searching of my own and found some. their is no doubt that the PSP is impressive. but i do have a concern. trying to show that much detail on a small screen will do wonders for the eyes. imagine playing Halo or Metroid Prime or GTA3 on a 9 inch screen. that would suck ass.....now half the size again. i know that my eyes would be killing me in not too long at all.

what kind of movies is this thing (psp) going to play?

is it a proprietary format where movie studios are going to have to make a psp version of their film? is it going to have a pc interface to write files to it? divx? mpeg2?

if sony thinks that people are going to buy movies that will only play on their psp... i think they're sorely mistaken. hopefully there is some way to watch the movies you already have by re-encoding them.

Yeah, would you rather pay to buy a movie to watch on a TV or a 4 inch screen?

To me, people who get handhelds just want games.

Here's something I found with a quick google search:

Jeez, look at the screen on that PSP compared to gamegear. Makes me want a PSP even more.

Fanboy comments aside, I think the PSP is definitely a superior console. No need to call me biased, look at the screenshots. Look at the specs. Look at the screen size. Look at the features. The only things that the DS excel in are the touchscreen, and the fact that games will run faster on cartriges than on the CD media that PSP uses. Nintendo also has its popular franchises to milk while the Sony/PSP doesn't really have any big name franchises to milk. I guess we'll see how it turns out after they're both out... I think nintendo will be safe as long as they keep releasing pokemons and remakes of old games that have already been made.

Stop fucking flaming each other you mother fucking fanboys. Accept each as it is and shut up

Although its true that NDS is not an N64, it is considerably cheaper than PSP, plus it can be used as a palm type computer. Also, PSP will be MSRP $699 USD, and NDS MSRP $299. So now that you know the prices, you can decide again. :lol:

Looks like it will snap quite nicely if you hit it in the right place. :)

The cost of the psp could be its downfall. Parents arent going to spend 250-600 dollars on a system there kid could easly lose or break

Funny, the screen is exactly why I have no interest. The thing is enormous. The thing is anything but "portable".

SONY just fucked up royally.....i guess you could say the pwned themselves.


LINK


i now ask the question....what's the point?

i'm just going to take a quote that i found from someone concerning this and just give him the credit.

I wonder how one will be able to mod these systems. Those zany modders are always coming up with some insane methods ;)

GBA is easy because you just make a 512 meg flash cart and store the ROMs on it. GameCube has the Phantasy Star exploit. These two systems will be interesting.. anyone know if the DS is a cart or a CD-based system?

I'm not sure, but I heard its going to be cd based with a 1.8 gig minidisc.

its a flash card type thing....like the ones for digital cameras. the PSP uses Ultra Mini Discs

I think they're both going to pnz and will probably buy both of them. I've always loved me some handheld gaming and I play my GBA almost everyday.

DS and PSP how I love thee let me count the ways.

DS:
1.Touchscreen: Best idea ever.
2. Wireless onlineplay: I know PSP has this too but this is a big plus considering its coming from Nintendo. Does it mean they will be bringing some Gamecube games online too? I hope so.

PSP:
1.Graphics: All I have to say is wow.
2. UMD: The DS cards are supposed to have a large capacity but they probably won't be as large as this.

Conclusion:
I want them both.

Hmmmmmmmmm.

PS2 games on a little handheld, or on my HDTV?

my buddy has a Sony handheld dvd player.. it barely gets through 2 average-length movies on full battery. And it doesnt have a cpu, graphic processor, or wireless connectivity ;)

Until I see some battery-life stats, and how many original titles it will have, DS plz

The big problems I have with the PSP are battery life and utmost god damn durability. I've dropped my GBA countless times and it still works fine. You're going to need a good case to carry that thing around in and I'll be damned if im going to wear that thing around my neck. Flava Flav may be able to rock that look, not a skinny white guy. The DS will be a little easier to take around and play games. Im really interested in what developers will do with the Wi-Fi?? It adds a huge new direction for portable gaming, if implented well you can do a lot of cool stuff. for a little bonus.

The PSP is a fine system, but to me is more a media device than a gaming unit bit I guess that is the general direction of the industry though. I'll defiinitely have a DS before a psp.

jeez, all because the PSP has better graphics doesnt mean its gonna bring better quality games. Hell, id prefer playing Zelda LTTP on my SNES then any game on the PS2.

Plus, who the hell will wanna carry around the PSP? Jeez, all because its "portable", doesnt mean its actually gonna be portable. I bet you that its gonna be a bitch to lug that thing around.

Also, for gamers who actually have friends...... the GB DS will utilize blue tooth technology with its games....so playing with buds will be easy. No link to carry, and you can sit comfortably a decent distance away.

o yea, you cant forget about how the second screen is a touch screen. It might not be such a big deal now, but thats cause its really one if the first of its kind for a hand held system. I guess its all up to the ingenuity of the game designers.

Heh, all good points and all have been covered to death in this thread =)

Um, as far as i know, nor nintendo or sony relased ANY prices on either system. people like you spreading rumors is how these lies get on the internet.

Neither Sony nor Nintendo have released prices, but they both *have* suggested prices for both systems. Electronic Gaming Monthly and IGN both have info highly suggesting that the DS will retail for $150 with the PSP retailing for $250.

-Lasereth

wow... hmmm... after reading this whole thread...

i'd have to say DS. many reasons.

and you shouldn't compare the dreamcast to the ps and n64....
it was released WAY after those two. Sega had all their timing screwed up.

ps predates the Dreamcast...

That's what he said =)

this is straight from President And CEO Of SCEA Kaz Hirai

LINK

2-3 hours? What the hell! I play my Gameboy Advance SP for like 10 hours straight with no AC adapter nearby. That's not nearly long enough.

-Lasereth

OMG 2-3 Hour?! Thats fucking stupid!! PSP is gonna fail if they don't change the battery life.

It's possible, they did after all change the amount of system RAM after rampant concern from the developers about it.