E3 2006®™
 

Wow. It started today and some crazy sights have already been shown.

FFXIII trailer shown at E3 -- In-game footage: http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/826/8...g_3578256.html

PS3 launches November 11 for $500 with 20 GB HDD and $600 for 60 GB HDD

Did I mention that FFXIII looks incredible?

Post links, pictures, and videos from E3 here!!!

New Alliance race in the World of Warcraft Burning Crusade expansion mostly confirmed to be the Draenei: http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/world-of-wa.../705785p1.html

Whoa hey wait I'm out of the tech/gaming loop for just a day and there's a price-point and release date for the PS3 now?

Damn things move fast.

Damn, I might just have to pick up a 360 after this. I'm disappointed in the PS3.

Why the disappointment in the PS3? It looks like it will be a solid (albeit pricey) gaming machine.

I dont understand how you can say the PS3 is a disappointment, so it's pricey, save up a little money and by November you could easily afford it.

I guess I just don't think it has the edge over the Xbox 360 that I thought it would.

Several hundred dollars more, same controller (Minus the rumble,plus the motion sensing), negligable graphic difference, untested online support.

We'll see though, I'd like to see how the console war's sort out once this is released.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150521


Personally i think this is a major flub on Sony's part, why cut out hardware for the price, I know the hdd is smaller but knocking out integral parts of the system that they plan on using as a selling point just seems a bit stupid to me. Also in regards to the new controller design "ripoff" it does not have any feedback like a dual shock? If this is also true, I am REALLY doubting on buying a PS3 at all now. Please Sony don't do this.

The most disappointing thig, for me, is that I'm going to have to wait a massive amount of time before I get to play FFXIII. It's a shame.

I don't care how awesome the PS3 is, there's no way I would consider paying $500 for a console. Granted, I'm not a big console purchaser anyway (I waited until the PS2 had been out for two years before getting a used one for $120), but I certainly know what I think is reasonable. Sony bit off way more than they could chew with this. They're losing money on the console sales, even at the $500-600 price, and the high price is going to deter people from getting it, especially since the HD selling point only applies to people who have already shelled out money for HDTVs. If Blu-Ray fails, they're REALLY screwed.

And, come on, first Sony calls the Wii controller a gimmick and now they're poorly ripping it off? Stupid.

I really hope Nintendo is the one to pick up the pieces from Sony's fall and not Microsoft. I'd hate to see the XBox become the dominant console, but that's the way it's looking. On the other hand, if Sony can fall as far as I think they will between the PS2 and PS3, perhaps Nintendo can climb just as much :) Wii'll just have to wait and see ;) (hehe, I had to)

Hmm. The PS3 motion sensing appears different to what Nintendo is trying to do. You won't be able to point the PS3 controller at the screen, for instance. I don't see it being used much outside of flight sims, to be honest. Other than that, business as usual, I suppose. Happened last time with Microsoft revealing the true details about the 360. Once the marketing crap falls away it's not as exciting. I'm very curious about the big N, though. I imagine they've something up their sleeve to counteract the PSWii, er, 3.

The NES cost $450 when it launched in the early 1980s (adjusted for inflation). The "videogames have become soo expensive" argument is simply null. These things come with a hard drive, play DVDs, play music CDs and music DVDs, have wireless Internet, AND play videogames designed for them. The XBox 360 and Wii are actually cheaper than the NES, with the PS3 being slightly more expensive.

Any word from Spore at e3?

Boom, there we have nintendo's great ideas for change vindicated before it even came out :D
Sony decided to add a tilt sensor to their controller, something which i'd imagine microsoft won't be too far behind.

Major coup for ninty!

Damned expensive PS3 though...

But the NES had R.O.B.!

after seeing the cell CPU technology in action that is the heart othe PS3 engine, I'm quite impressed.

If you recall the ipod album art going into the ipod, imagine all those as videos, moving and streaming at the same time in real time, able to be morphed, pushed, pulled, rotated, by the user in real time. I was thoroughly impressed by the technology. Will it be the end all be all gaming system? Doubtful, but I don't like to pay $500 for a console and then $80 per game. But what the marketers have always known is that console buyers generally have an average of 5-10 games for the lifetime of the console. Think of the inflation of games in cost of production and sale, but it's still a bargain as far as time to play. Too bad I personally don't have that kind o ftime to play.

That's absolutely right.


However, I'd have to argue why we (the gaming community) need all that shit in the first place? Playing DVDs and ripping music to the hard-drive are great, but it's superfluous. I mean, the average gamer isn't dropping $400 dollars on a 360 to watch their worn out copy of Serenity on DVD and they ain't going to drop $600 on a PS3 to watch it in fantabulous Blu-Ray'O'Vision either.

They buy it for the games...all that other stuff is just icing on the...pudding?
And that's great, as long as it doesn't affect the price tag.

Why is Sony going Blu-Ray anyway? Is it for gaming purposes? I don't think so. Has the dual-layer DVD discs been used to their fullest potential? And don't you think that by the time game developers get around to using the space (200GB for the rumored eight-layered Blu-Ray discs) available that it'll be time for a new round of consoles anyway?*

Movies? Sure, but here's the thing...they're still renting VHS tapes at the Blockbuster down the street. So, no worries about Blu-Ray becoming the de facto standard overnight assuming that it wins the format war in the first place and doesn't become just another footnote in Sony's history. coughAhemUMDcough*

I'd gladly pay $500 for a PS3 if I was solely paying for the quintessential gaming console and not supporting Sony's attempt to thumb their nose at....well, everybody.




*What's the lifespan on a console anyway? I bet my PS2 won't be running 15 years from now unlike the SNES I bought for my niece a couple of weeks ago from a gameswap place, which seems to run just fine.

Blu-ray has a definate advantage over rumoured 4-DVD games coming for the 360. They're definately pushing the boundaries of the medium now.

How so? Bigger? So what? It's my understanding that while movie content (extras and such) may be pushing the limits of the DVD-9 format, games aren't. And if they are so what? HD-DVD is cheaper and comes in 15, 30 and 45GB flavors, which, I would think would be more than enough to see the gaming industry through it's next cycle of consoles. But Sony wanted to support Blu-Ray, so Blu-Ray they supported even when it's addition drove up the price tag of the PS3. That'll show Microsoft!

Are PS3 games even using the Blu-Ray format? I've seen a lot of shit about Blu-Ray and the PS3 games kind of thrown together in context, but can't remember reading anything about PS3 games using the Blu-Ray format. So...if they aren't...isn't that just adding insult to injury?

"Here, consumer. You won't need this Blu-Ray optical drive to play games and there's a good chance you won't need them for movies, but we're going to slap one in anyway. Now, it will probably drive the price up, up, up, but if you want to play our games...well, you'll have no choice. So, I guess...screw you?"

I think this is one instance where Microsoft got it right, which is great because Microsoft has a tendency to get things wrong. HD-DVD as an add-on and then only for movies.

Its another weapon in the format war.

Neither microsoft or sony want to be the betamax of the current generation, so they line up their consoles with the same things as more ammo.

I hope microsoft fails, that way we can get around to have ninty back as the big boys in console gaming again.

I think its november 17th in America.
I agree that the stripped down $500 is a bitch thing to do.
Did you guys see the conference live last night? I caught the stream, most of it was crap (EA's presentation was aweful), and of course they put Konami last to save their ass.
Other than that, today was Nintendo's conference on the Wii, which looks like a ton of fun. the ones that stayed in my mind were
the new Zelda: Twilight(or midnight?) Princess: freaking awesome.. I'll hunt the video later. Basically beautiful, and looks like hardcore fun with the nunchuk (the new controller).EDIT: video: here
the new Super Mario: Galaxy. Basically you really take advantage of all 3 dimensions, upside down, etc..you have to see it to understand.
Both games seem awesome, as well as the new Metroid.

Also, the Wii's controller has a speaker on it which, for example, if u shoot in an FPS, you'll hear the gunshot from there...which gives a much more immersive feel to the game.
I'm sort of glad that the PS3 controller kept the original shape...I always loved the dual shock.. And it seems they copied Nintendo with the vertical and tilt motion detectors. oh well. I've seen the way Warhawk plays with the tilt feature, and it's amazing.

Well, I'm glad I decided to wait on the XBOX 360... It's basically a cheap version of the PS3. But then again, since I'm a sucker for all things gaming, I don't really care how much the consoles cost... it's still cheaper than trying to keep an updated gaming PC. And people who say that they don't care about all the other features... I know I care, and I know there are a lot of people who care. My PS2 was always the hub of my home entertainment system, and I have no doubt my PS3 will serve the same purpose... I mean, c'mon, it's about the same price as a standalone Blu-Ray player.

Moving on... The Wii is also a must-have system. The pointer is proving itself to me as being an extremely cool gameplay idea, and I will definitely be buying a Wii. Xbox 360? Other than Halo 3, I don't see what it has going for it... I mean, PS3 is more powerful, comes with a built-in hard drive (so no crippled Oblivion games), has amazing load times courtesy of Blu-Ray and hard drive (see GT:HD). It really has only price point advantage, and even that is diminished when you figure the Sony Online will be free. PS3 will get all the ports, and now that it has limited motion sensing, it may even be getting select few Wii ports, and it will have truly amazing first-party games... anybody see the trailer for Eight Days? Man, that looks intense.

The PS3, from what I've read anyway, is going to be a bit cheaper than a standalone Blu-Ray player, which is about the only way for me to justify spending $600 on one and only then if Blu-Ray becomes the industry standard.

But enough of that. :)

I have to say the more I see from Nintendo, the more I'm impressed. I know Nintendo is usually considered the slow child of the gaming industry, but damn if their new console doesn't look like fun.

Anybody catch the Halo 3 trailer?

It looked nice and I think the story is going to be a bit better this go around, but no actual gameplay, at least, as far as I know. Not that it matters, right? :D

Edit: Turns out the trailer was running real-time on a 360 and that during the scene Master Chief was 'controllable'.

Here's another link....

I'm just not feeling the Wii controller, even after the tech demos. I've read a couple of write-ups on Metroid 3: Corruption for Wii, and both reviewers said that the controller kept you from doing what you really wanted to do in the game and that it couldn't keep up with your hand signals. The new Zelda looks great as usual, but again, the trailer for it makes it seem like a chore. I have MUCH more precision in my wrist than with my hand and I'm not sure if aiming and the combat system is gonna be "fun" if it's really a chore.

That is why there's also a "classic" controller available..it looks like a SNES controller, more or less.

Nintendo have said that the sword combat in Zelda, for the most part, will still be with the A button. It's still a few months away from completion, so reserve judgement on it, Las, until then ;) You use a mouse, right? If you can work one of those then you can work the Wii.

Solid Snake is gonna be featuring in the next Smash Bros. Neat!

Oh, this looks fucking awesome.

Wait a minute.....

Duck Hunt?

for Wii?

omg.

After seeing some of the trailers from E3, I have to say that the Wii looks like the system to buy.

Why? GAMEPLAY, that's really all that I have to say about that. It's not a 600 dollar machine (at the cost of 250) and it has games that, to me, look far more interesting than what the PS3 has to offer.

Smash Bros: Brawl is what did it in for me. I'm a sucker for the Smash Bros. Games.

That lightgun could be f'ing sweet!

Edit: they've got a rumble feature, woo!

I am still pumped for Halo3. Seeing that trailor has the juices flowing again. Too bad it says 2007 at the end of it though. I was hoping to get my hands on it sooner than that...

DUCK HUNT!

Really, I think that's all I have to say, except that I want to make sweet, sweet love to Nintendo. The name is growing on me, and the games look outstanding from what I've seen. I hope it's as good as I think it will be.

I personally think that $500-600 is a LOT to spend on a gaming machine. If one were to go with the premium system and get one game, they are already pushing $700 total investment. Thats a lot of cash.

That being said, Sony has wrapped up many exclusive titles that I do want to play (e.g., MGS4, FFXIII). I'll end up buying one. But I'm definitely waiting for a price drop or two or three.

Yea not to mention that they'll just have a bigger better system out in a couple years anyway. I'm certainly not gonna spend that much cash on something that will end up collecting dust most of hte time. Computer games beat the hell out of any consol game made recently anyway. Or if there are good consol games out they are also out for the comp anyway and look/play/run a whole lot better on my PC than they would on the consol.

It would appear Microsoft agrees with you.

Whodathunk it, eh?

Didn't the NES come with Duck Hunt?
It would be quite cool of Nintendo if they bundled it with the Wii, as well.

well, the graphics are catching up rather quickly with the next gen stuff. I will agree though that some games are just much better suited to have on the PC. But then again, many games are much better suited on a console.

And also, the Playstation 2 was released in 2000 and the original Playstation was released in was launched in 1994. So, following the same 6 years between release times, the Playstaion 4 will not be out until 2012. I think in the 6 years between the release of the Playstation 2 and 3, I have upgraded my computer at least 3 times and probably 4. Each time costed me at least $700, so in 6 years I have spent at least $2100 and probably closer to $3000 (not counting buying new monitors or other such shit) on my computer just so I could run the latest games which my desktop can hardly do now. Dropping $600 on the Playstation 3 which will more than likely last me 6 years is not that bad of a deal in my opinion.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend :lol:

That is the reason why I stopped playing PC games and moved to console games. I hated having to continue to upgrade on the curve.

Same here. It's just too much work/time/money to keep my PC current. I am very happy with my 360 and HDTV. I'm set for a few years. No more worrying about the latest graphics card, or more RAM, or whatever. Besides I work on computers all day. I'm sick of them when I get home...

Buying a new console IS upgrading, people! You need a new console to play the next gen games just like you'll need new PC components to play next gen games. This argument is really, really tired now. Can we get back to the E3 discussion, perhaps? Please resurrect one of those other threads if you must discuss.

You can get a 360 and a couple of games for the price of a top-line video card, and you only need it once every five years or so. There is massive a difference.