5 things others don't know about Canada
 

I was asked by Nancy, over in the Europe forum, to create a 5 things people don't know about Canada... She (and apparently others) want to know more about us...


Here are mine, what are yours?


1) Canada's head of state is the Queen of England (but she's only a figurehead).
2) Canada didn't get its official flag until the 1960s and it was really hot political debate. Oddly, for such a cool design, it was choosen by committee.
3) The price of the average home in downtown Toronto is C$260,000, the average price of a home in Winnipeg C$88,500...
4) Some interestng Canadian inventions: Film Colourization, IMAX film, Insulin, MacIntosh Apples, Odometer, the Robertson Screw (best screw ever IMO - I hate slotted and phillips screws), Standard Time, Trivial Pursuit, the Television Camera, the Zipper...
5) Our official national sport is not hockey but rather Lacrosse.http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Lacrosse

very interesting facts Charlatan!

Can't wait to learn more about Canada! :D

Yay facts!

I love the official sport one, able to get most people with that one

Dun ferget the telephone..

Same here. :D

Even tricked me. Damnit. Well, no it didn't. I just rushed through a tshirt quiz :lol:

Learn me more about Canada guys :D

Some more interesting facts:

1) We have productive wine regions in BC and Southwestern Ontario and are best know internationally for our Ice Wine (made from grapes left on the vine until after the first frost - the cold concentrates the sugars making a very sweet dessert wine)
2) Approximately 90% of total population is concentrated within 300km of the US border
3) Canada spends more of its gross domestic product (GDP) on education and less on health care than the United States.
4) Canadians consume more Kraft Dinner (aka Kraft Macaroni & Cheese) per capita than any other nationality on earth.
5) Canada is really big! Canada is the world's second-largest country (9 970 610 km2), surpassed only by the Russian Federation.

By the way... hockey is our official "winter" sport and lacrosse is our official "summer" sport.

I just double checked. ;)

:lol:

how about your mounties? what's the story of those guys?

Ah..beat me to it. I was looking into that a while back and noticed that it had changed. In my opinion that is the way to do it...winter and summer sports (although with the Stanley cup going into June and the World Cup in August...you could almost consider hockey a summer sport :p )

OK, I am going to try to come up with 5 things off the top of my head that Charlatan has not already mentioned...

1. (to Nancy) Every member of the RCMP (the mounties) has been trained in Regina, Saskatchewan since their inception in the early 1900's.
2. Canada and the US have the longest undefended border in the world (the 45th Parallel).
3. Canada has North America's oldest street in Quebec City, PQ.
4. Our national animal is the beaver (seriously).
5. During the second world war the CDN goverment interred (locked up) almost every Canadian citizen of Japanese heritage. We're not really proud of that fact, but we're not afraid to admit our mistakes.

I did all this drunk and w/o google so I gladly invite any corrections.

**Edit...49th parallel---doh!**

Hope these aren't repeats:

1) Canada has more fresh water than any other nation on earth. That is why the US wants to invade!

2) The last province to join the nation was Newfoundland, in 1949, when that bastion of the British Empire narrowly voted to join in the fun

3) The tallest free standing structure in the world is the CN Tower, in Toronto (which also happens to be the centre of the universe). It is over 1800 feet high!

4) Canada is golf crazy. More per capita golfers in this country than any other, despite the short playing season.

5) The largest French speaking city in the world other than Paris is Montreal!

I see. But are they like rangers or like the police or what?

The RCMP or Royal Canadian Mounted Police are a national police force. They conduct regular police duties in towns and areas without their own force and also do a lot of work on a national scale - fighting smuggling, terrorism, counterfeiting, and international trafficing.

The Mounties are an excellent force, and well trained.

isnt the border on the 49th parralel???

Did you know that the Bluenose Schooner, Built here in NS was never beaten in a race.

1) Yonge Street (pronounced Young) is the longest street in the world at 1,896 km
2) Toronto is as far south as the French Riviera (but sadly not as warm all year)
3) More people live in Toronto than in all the four Atlantic Provinces combined (Newfoundland and Labrador, Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick)
4) Toronto has the fifth largest government in Canada
5) Toronto is one of the most racially diverse cities in the world:

Population of 2.48 million in the City and roughly 5 million in the Greater Toronto Area

Over 100 languages and dialects are spoken here

43 per cent of Toronto's population (1,051,125 people) reported themselves as being part of a visible minority, up from 37 per cent (882,330) in 1996.

The top four visible minority groups in Toronto were:
Chinese at 259,710 or 10.6 per cent of our population
South Asian at 253,920 or 10.3 per cent
Black at 204,075 or 8.3 per cent
Filipino at 86,460 or 3.5 per cent

49 per cent of Toronto's population was born outside of Canada, up from 48 per cent in 1996

New immigrants to Toronto since 1991 number 516,635, representing 21 per cent of our population.

Fully one in five Toronto residents arrived in this country during the 1990s

One in four children between 5 and 16 in the City of Toronto are new immigrants having arrived between 1991 and 2001

While the City of Toronto had 48.7 per cent of the GTA's population in 2001, we were home to:
57.8 per cent of all GTA immigrants (1,214,625)
64.4 per cent of all new immigrants that arrived in the GTA during the 1990s (516,635)
60.4 per cent of all GTA residents identified as belonging to a visible minority (1,051,125)

Toronto has 79 ethnic publications

Found this website, it hasn't been updated in quite sometime but hopefully it is of some help. http://www.icomm.ca/emily/facts.html

Thank's for the link silent_jay :)

Now I know how to get the middle part out of a toonie. And I'm damn sure going to try!

1. Hey, we're not lumberjacks, or fur traders....

2. We don't live in an igloo or eat blubber, or own a dogsled....

3. We don't know Jimmy, Sally or Suzy from Canada, although I'm certain they're really really nice.

4. We have a Prime Minister, not a president.

5. We speak English and French, not American.

6. We pronounce it 'about', not 'a boot'.

7. We can proudly sew our country's flag on our backpacks.

8, We believe in peace keeping, not policing, diversity, not assimilation,

9. The beaver is a truly proud and noble animal.

10. A toque is a hat, a chesterfield is a couch.

11. And it is pronounced 'zed' not 'zee', w. 'zed' !!!!

12. Canada is the second largest landmass!

13. The first nation of hockey!

14. And the best part of North America

My name is Daval!!
And I am Canadian!!!




(modified the rant a bit, but all you Canadians know where its from :)

Actually I know all of you guys are going to hate this, but the US actually has the oldest known record of hockey being played.
I remember reading that in the Calgary Sun.
Do I need to google it?

Definately google that. I thought we invented that.,

The whole "we invented hockey" thing has been debated for years. There are at least 3 towns in Canada who claim to be the home of hockey and probably just as many US towns.

In my mind "the first nation of hockey" doesn't really refer to the birthplace of hockey, rather it refers to the current center of the hockey universe.

(Basketball was invneted by a Canadian tho, there is no debate on that one)

Ill get around to googling it later.
I just remember reading an article that said right after the Hall of fame put a picture on display supposed to be the first record of hockey being played I forget where (Canada)
a new picture 43 years older was found in vermont showing hockey being played.
This article was printed around 6 months or so ago.
???

You know, that sounds familar...

And basketball may have been invented by a Canadian, but he invented it in the States :D

Take that Canada :p

I really dont care about the sports and where they were invented.. I'll concentrate on the whole Insulin thing..

I think once people started taking out the middle part of the toonie, the Mints made it so that it can't happen again. I don't know why I'm thinking that though. Must have been something I read. Give it a try though.

Here's some good info on Banting and insulin @

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Banting

Here's a small history of hockey, hope it helps, but it doesn't really matter where it was invented because Canadians perfected it. http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/s/...60/hockey.html

Thats illegal you know... you want to deface Canadian government property... for shame

for shame.

The bay of fundy has the largest tides in the world, swelling over forty feet in a period of 8 hours.

1) We don't pay taxes on lottery winnings. That's right, we get to keep it all.
2) Our junk food consists of such oddities as Smarties (kinda like M&M's, only better), and Coffee Crisp (think of a cup of chocolate coffee, only in bar form). We also buy our milk in 1 litre plastic bags (3 1-litre bags sold in one big bag), which we place in plastic milk bag containers, cut open the plastic bag at the corner with scissors, and put it back into the fridge unsealed. Ew.
3) The Trans-Canada highway (Highway 1) is the longest highway in the world. It starts on one coast, remains at least a double lane highway all the way to the other coast and travels 4860 km.
4) The actual North Magnetic Pole currently resides in Canadian Territory, although the Russians are poised to take it from us any day now.
5) Canada's capital was originally going to be either Kingston, Ontario (too English), or Quebec City, Quebec (too French), before they decided on making Ottawa our capital.

As for the RCMP, think of them as Canada's version of the FBI. The only difference, as was mentioned above, is that the RCMP act as a municipal police force for areas that don't have their own police.

[edit:] Oh yeah, and we have a really big mall in Edmonton called the West Edmonton Mall. How big is it? It's so big, it has its own rollercoaster, aquarium with sub ride, waterslides, and hockey rink, and still has room for stores.

By the by, Edmonton was recently hit by a major storm that broke through the glass ceiling at the mall, and flooded the place. Last I heard, crews were dealing with the problem by extending the sub ride to the rest of the mall. :D

I can drink a liter of milk before scum forms on the opening anyway, so no worries there. :p

will repost some other time....

And you should go river rafting in it when the tides come in..what a blast...

River Rafting


The day we were out last year the Bore was about 8 feet or so
and the waves in the river were about 20 to 25'.

They stop on a sand bar that is as big as 10 football fields.. You stand on it and see how long u can stand there before the rush of water is too much..in about 30 seconds, its shin high and u can't stand there anymore..its amazing

my milk comes in a plastic 4 l jug... you people are strange...

Smarties are only in Canada? Man I had no idea the rest of the world didn't get to try these tasty treats.

Milk in Jugs

http://www.ansc.purdue.edu/dairy/graphics/filljug2.jpg

Milk in a bags and in a pitcher...

http://www.perth.igs.net/~ianlloyd/milksys.JPG

Created a need for these devices used to cut the tip off the bag...

http://www.perth.igs.net/~ianlloyd/cutters.JPG

We can get our milk in either cartons, bags or jugs... though jugs are not as common as they used to be...

Wow.... that milk in a bag looks so repulsive. I believe I'll be taking a trip to a Canadian grocery store this weekend :D

I took a trip to an american grocery store to get cinamon and brown sugar pop tarts



Isnt that a letter opener next to that crazy bag of milk?

btw, my milk comes straight from the cow, saves on transportation and refrigeration.. lol (Im kidding, I Hardly drink milk anyways)

I think the white thing is a letter opener... the yellow thing is a "clip it" milk bag opener... they either clip to the pitcher or you can stick them to the fridge with the handily attached magnet... I suppose you could put them in your drawers as well, but that's your business...

I was there when it happened. It was so cool seeing this ceiling collapse when this water pipe burst trying to get rid of the water and hail on the roof. Mall was evacuated, and there was a ton of damage.

1) The world's longest covered bridge was completed in Hartland in 1899. It's 390 metres ( 1,282 feet ) long and spans the Saint John River. There are 62 covered bridges in the province. Many of them are in the Sussex area of Kings County- the Covered Bridge Capital of Atlantic Canada. Be sure to make a wish as you drive through. (Oh, and ask one of the locals to tell you why covered bridges are called Kissing Bridges) !

2) Arthur Ganong returned from fishing expeditions with a sticky gooey mess in his pockets. It seems that Arthur, the son of the founder of Ganongs Chocolates of St. Stephen, had a sweet tooth and would never leave on a fishing trip without a handful of chocolates in his pockets. In 1910 tired of cleaning up the melted mess, young Arthur began wrapping his chocolates in a tin foil. Soon after, Ganongs made individually-wrapped bars of chocolate and sold them for a nickel. They became the world's first chocolate bar!

3) Approximately 40% of Canada's landmass and freshwater is north of 60 degrees North latitude. Between them, the Northwest Territories and Nunavut contains 9.2% of the world's total freshwater. The area of Canada north of the treeline is 2 728 800 square kilometres or 27.4% of the total area of the country.

4) The world's largest island in a freshwater lake is Manitoulin Island in Lake Huron, 2765 square kilometres.

5) The highest mountain in Canada is Mount Logan, Yukon Territory, 5959 metres. It was almost renamed Mount Trudeau when former Prime-Minister Pierre Trudeau died... but after some protests they renamed a Montreal Airport after him instead.

1) The only walled city north of Mexico is Québec; it was also the first city in North America to be placed on UNESCO's World Heritage Sites list.

2) The baseball glove was invented in Canada in 1883.

3) The world's smallest jail is believed to be in Rodney, Ontario, Canada. It is only 24.3 square meters (about 270 square feet).

4) Contrary to popular opinion, Canada does not own the North Pole. In fact, the North Pole is not owned by any country. It is believed, however, that Santa Claus is from Canada.

5) Canada is the fifth largest energy producer.

I never said Canada owns the North Pole. I only said the Pole currently resides in Canada. The Magnetic North Pole is ever moving and shifting, which is why eventually it will end up back in Russia.

Do you actually measure your milk containers in litres? I would have thought you would measure them in quarts or gallons.

Yep, 4 litres written right next to the brand name

Canada also has the world's largest comedy festival (Just for Laughs held annually in Montreal), and the world's largest oil deposits. Yes, it's even larger than Saudi Arabia, and larger than Iraq. The only catch is that our oil is trapped in sand, which makes extraction and refinery very difficult, and very expensive.

Milk looks disgusting in pictures, its just how it is..

When they used to do movies, or tv, or commercials with milk, they wouldnt use milk.. Sometimes it would even be glue :(

Now they can video edit it or use milk like substitutes so Im told

finally some sensible people who uses the Metric system! :D

well i dont drink milk... so not i...

Metric rocks!

We started learing Metric when I was in Grade one... but because so many people still use the old system we still have mixed uses... for example:

I drive in km/h
I weigh myself in pounds (don't even know how many Kilos I weigh)
I buy my fluids in litres but bake using cups rather than mililitres
I measure in feet but only for short distances like my height or when I'm building something... but larger distances like the distance to my cottage are in kilometres...

My brother, who is four years older than me, doesn't even use the metric system at all...

The reason for all of this is that when we converted to metric in the 70s, the government initially spent some money promoting metric. However, they soon lost political interest in this and stopped promoting it... People fell into old habits.

Oh, I see you changed your Location. You used to have "Little America". I didn't see the wit in that, so I was asking you as though you were from the States.

What he said


aye, sorry yeah, i figured it made sense but im wierd

Sifting through the European '5 things you didn't know about my country" thread, I just remembered another thing about Canada.

The death penalty was removed from the Criminal Code of Canada in 1976. Despite this, Canada still had had the death penalty as part of the Canada National Defense Act. It was only reserved for military members who committed treason or mutiny. No one was ever sentenced to death under this law, but in 1998, the law was changed to match the Criminal Code of Canada.

Little known fact by some aswell. Superman was created by Joe Shuster a canadian. Though when he later moved to the US another fellow Jerry Seigel helped develop him. Thus why he lives in Metropolis and was found in smallvile. Neither which is an actual Amercian city.

Smallville is cloverdale... not to far from where I am... and one episode where they blew up a greenhouse, I knew the owners son, though hes now dead since he was in a motorcycle/car accident

I went to a Canadian grocery store this weekend. I held a bag of milk and had my picture taken. I was so grossed out. It was MILK! In a BAG! So weird.

and Im so going to get that picture blown up ;)

Damnit. I knew I should have taken that camera back with me!

bwa ha ha.. I hid it for a reason ;)

- Heres a fact! - Canada tried a German officer after world war 2 for war crimes after it was proved he was responsible for the execution of several Canadian soldiers. Can anyone answer the trivia with the officers name?

Kurt Meyer

Good job.. Mr. SS himself

I guess reading all those history books wasn't a waste of time. Here's a link to his charge sheet, it's rather depressing when you see the terrible things the man did.

http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/WCC/meyercharge.htm

Other useful facts:

1. Brightly coloured balloons are illegle in Toronto.

2. There are no donuts in Toronto, only edible oil products.

3. Children don't have names in Toronto, they have numbers. Also, they have to wear suits.

4. I don't want to go to Toronto.

5. People don't have faces in Toronto.

(go find the song, you'll be happy you did)

6. Toronto sucks (different song, still good)

see:
Radio Free Vestibule
and
Three dead trolls in a baggie
http://www.deadtroll.com/index2.html

The point of your post was, oh yeah nothing. Try making an actual useful contribution, unless that is all you can contribute.

illegle? Is proper spelling illegal where you come from?

My children... 2345 and 9343211 don't like those songs... it makes them cry and the tears stain their worsted pin-stripes.

All that is very true, those examples apply to a lot of people in Canada. We'll likely never be totally free of the imperial system however. All of the rural roads across the prairies were layed out on a grid system using miles. For example directions to someones farm in Saskatchewan will always be like 5 miles North Climax, then 2 miles East and 1/2 mile South.

And, yes Climax is an actual town in Saskatchewan. ;)

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3) The price of the average home in downtown Toronto is C$260,000, the average price of a home in Winnipeg C$88,500...

that cannot be more wrong, or perhaps your average home is like a one bedroom apartment,

a freehold house in Toronto, never mind downtown is around $350G CAD

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Charlatan
[B]1) Yonge Street (pronounced Young) is the longest street in the world at 1,896 km
2) Toronto is as far south as the French Riviera (but sadly not as warm all year)
3) More people live in Toronto than in all the four Atlantic Provinces combined (Newfoundland and Labrador, Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick)
4) Toronto has the fifth largest government in Canada
5) Toronto is one of the most racially diverse cities in the world:

Toronto and the cities near by is a very diversified, it has the second largest greek population outside of greece (largest being Queens, NY), it has the second largest chinatown and chinese population outside of San Fran, Kitchener-Waterloo (120km away) is the largest Germanic settlement outside of continental europe, this city also has a massive population of Italians, Protugeses, and Jews

5) Canada's capital was originally going to be either Kingston, Ontario (too English), or Quebec City, Quebec (too French), before they decided on making Ottawa our capital.


the Capitals were Quebec City (under the french rule), Montreal, Toronto, Kingston, then Ottawa (half the city was in Quebec)

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3) The price of the average home in downtown Toronto is C$260,000, the average price of a home in Winnipeg C$88,500...

that cannot be more wrong, or perhaps your average home is like a one bedroom apartment,

a freehold house in Toronto, never mind downtown is around $350G CAD

Yikes......my bad. I'll remember my <humour></humour> tags next time. O.K., how about these:

1. Canada is a first world country with a third world economic model based on the extraction and exportation of natural resources with little or no value added.

2. Vancouver, B.C. is home to the worst (most homeless, drug use, etc.) intersection in Canada (Hastings and Main).

3. Canada has two distinct French speaking populations (Quebecois and Acadian).

4. One of the internment camps that housed people of Japanese decent in WWII (in Silverton, B.C.) was later used to hold the children of Doukabour families (a sect of Russian immigrants) that were removed from their homes by force (by the RCMP) to ensure they received a "proper" education from the Canadian government.

5. By law, Rick Mercer must appear on every new comedy on CBC.

(Uh, the last one is a joke….)

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I though it was a bit low too BUT I did get it from a real estate website... I also spoke with my real estate agent about it and she figures the number is arrived at by factoring in all the lower priced housing in the suburbs...

I would have guessed somewhere in the 325,000 to 350,000 range myself based on looking for a home...

slimpiggy, good to see you back, care to back up your stance on this thread you started earlier and then ignored. I'm sure people are still waiting to hear your responses, or your arguments to back up what was said.


http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...0&pagenumber=1

Don't get too close to one, or you'll find out why they're called "mounties" :eek:

Really? Hrmm, never noticed when I was there I guess I should pay more attention

It's all right, I make no attempt to convince anybody, it's just how I feel

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350 is about right anywhere near the GTA

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Do they take condos into the equation? That would drive the price down a lot. Are they using assessed value, which almost always lower than real value, especially in Toronto...

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That's probably it... slimpiggy is factoring on freehold homes.

Just one thing that we need to know as Canadians.

1) How to save money on Taxes.

And I know how - and pulled it off last year.
PM me if you want to know. It does take money to do, but the returns are incredible.

Thanks, everyone, for all the information I need for my residency test!

Canada has the only Railway (CNR) in North America that runs from the Atlantic Ocean right on through to the Pacific Ocean.

Canada building the railway in the 1860's would be akin to us putting a man on the moon today.

The world record for steel production for a single day was set by Stelco Hilton works in Hamilton.

Of all the G-7 nations, we have the coldest most inhospitable climate.

Quebec city is the oldest walled city in North America. In fact, it is the oldest city period I think.

There is more oil in the tar sands of Alberta than there is in all of Saudi Arabia.

Ok, now that I have read all the posts, some others already posted the tar sands bit and the Quebec City thing.

sigh.

Anyway, the price of a house in Toronto is insane I will agree. I can't afford to buy my own house anymore. I don't know if it's going to pop or not to tell you the truth.

yeah and CN is owned by an american company (or maybe it was CP, but i think it was CN)

Cndjeepin.Another Truroian.

The Halifax Explosion occurred on December 6, 1917, in Halifax, Nova Scotia. It was the largest man-made explosion until the first atomic bomb explosion on Hiroshima on August 6, 1945

When the Mont Blanc(which contained 2400 metric tonnes of explosives, and the Norwegian cargo ship Imo collided in the narrows of Halifax harbour.

Over 2.5 km2 of Halifax were levelled and windows were shattered as far as Truro, Nova Scotia, 100 kilometres away. An anchor from the Mont Blanc was found five kilometres from the harbour. The disaster resulted in approximately 1635 deaths (approx. 1000 died instantaneously from the blast),



Sidenote: The most celebrated and most complete effort came from the Boston Red Cross and the Massachusetts Public Safety Committee. To this day the citizens of Halifax still donate a large Christmas tree to Boston each year.

I saw a special on that awhile back, Fohur2. I had never heard of the explosion before. Being American I guess it's no wonder why I hadn't. I found it facinating though.


I hadn't heard of the connection with Boston though. They did mention help coming from the US, but I never knew that Halifax donates a Christmas tree each year :)

I can't believe no one brought this up yet.

CANADA BURNED DOWN THE WHITE HOUSE

Yes its true on Wednesday, August 24, 1814 biritsh occupational troops set fire to the white house (although it had been evacuated earlier) the glow was said to be so strong that it was visible from up to fifty miles away.

Info from: http://www.whitehousehistory.org/08/subs/08_b04.html

Although this was acredited to the british military it was burned down by the occupational troops who were residents of Canada. Although Canada was not its own country back then (Canada was officlay formed in 1871) Canadians were and still are the only nations to burn down The White House

TAKE THAT!

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I also haven not seen anyone mention Canada's victory at Vimy Ridge although it may be well know I've found that most people didnt know taht both the americans and the british tried to take the ridge and failed misserably.

Info from: http://collections.ic.gc.ca/turner/ar_vimy.html

Yeah well, like the article said Canada wasn't even Canada when Canada burned down the White House. So Take That! :lol:

They were British folks who were in the area that would become Canada. So :p

I know people in the Praires who never heard of the Halifax Explosion.It's sad really,a big piece of history only Maritimers know about mostly.

Isnt the reason why they call it the white house is because after you guys burnt it down they had to repaint (whitewash) it, hence the name?

We can't get milk in bags out west anymore :( At least I haven't seen it in Alberta and BC for probably 10 years.

Wha? Mac and Cheese? Interesting...

1. winnie the pooh was named after a bear which was named winnipeg the bear which was visited by the creator of the winnie the poo stories and by his son christopher robin in WINNIPEG, Manitoba

2. A Canadian invented Basketball

3. A Canadian invented the JAVA computer language

4. a very important one...a canadian invented TELEVISION!

5. a canadian invented zippers

One thing I don't know about Canadia:

Britain is right here, beneath my feet, and Columbia is over there and down a bit.

So where did British Columbia get it's name?

They are national police force but there are area's of Canada that they don't police and they're Quebec and Ontario. Both province have their own provinical police.

Each province has a contract with the RCMP to "police" their own province. Each major city of Canada has their own police force, some even small cities, say compared to Red Deer or Camrose AB, they also have their own police force.

In comparsion to USA, RCMP is like FBI, and state police

hey Daval, excellent reference to the beer commerical :thumbsup: golden!

deleteing a duplicate post. (note to self, don't be impatient with the slow forum site)

:|

same with the telephone. something about the US being more liberal about funding projects. I bet this is still the case (the awful brain drain to the south) But at least we can co-exist and (insert favourite strains of patriotic ferver here) leverage our relationship to better the world!!!!

House prices in Vancouver or worse yet, West Vancouver are even more insane. My sister just bought a house on north Lonsdale (off a side street)for 780,000. It has a nice view of the downtown, but really, it is no bigger than my toronto Beaches house (about 1500 sq feet) and almost twice the price!!!