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Tully Mars · 06-24-2009, 06:55 PM

No. Be ernest follow your trek and you'll find me.

BadNick · 06-24-2009, 07:16 PM

might you be on Gough Island aka Diego Alvarez

Tully Mars · 06-24-2009, 07:26 PM

No, think you missed the clue of being ernest.

BadNick · 06-24-2009, 07:38 PM

I saw that clue but haven't figured it out yet. I'm figuring.

---------- Post added at 11:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:29 PM ----------

ok, I figured you might be where Ernest Shackleton is buried, on South Georgia Island.

Xplore Expeditions : : galerie of photos of antarctica, tierra del fuego, cap horn, chile south georgia, falklands

uncle phil · 06-25-2009, 02:27 AM

isla navarino?

Tully Mars · 06-25-2009, 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNick

I saw that clue but haven't figured it out yet. I'm figuring.

---------- Post added at 11:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:29 PM ----------

ok, I figured you might be where Ernest Shackleton is buried, on South Georgia Island.

Xplore Expeditions : : galerie of photos of antarctica, tierra del fuego, cap horn, chile south georgia, falklands

Right island, right guy, checking to see if his grave is in the town I'm in.

Edit: Nope looking for a different town or station. Absolutely connected to Shackleton.

---------- Post added at 06:03 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:57 AM ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle phil

isla navarino?

See above.

uncle phil · 06-25-2009, 03:54 AM

grytviken?

Tully Mars · 06-25-2009, 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle phil

grytviken?

No that's where Shackleton's grave is, which was Nick's guess. I'm not at his grave site nor in that town.

Shackleton was alive when he was here, though probably just barely.

uncle phil · 06-25-2009, 04:25 AM

elephant island?

Tully Mars · 06-25-2009, 04:35 AM

No I'm on South Georgia Island, just not the location you guys keep coming up with.

I'm in a location Shackleton just walked into one day. Much to the surprise of the station manager.

uncle phil · 06-25-2009, 08:10 AM

stromness?

BadNick · 06-25-2009, 08:35 AM

damn, I was expecting to check in today and see that I won with my guess of his burial site. Anyway, I like that your location is less obvious than that, Tul.

So reading quite a bit about Shackleton, I think unc is most likely correct since E.S. apparently walked into the whaling station there and surprised everybody.

Tully Mars · 06-25-2009, 09:08 AM

Yes Sir Phil, you found me. Made you do some reading. Really wasn't my intent. I thought Shackleton was buried in England.

I assume you guys read the Wiki page on Shackleton. I did a paper on him in school years back (ya think I'd know where he was buried, D'oH!) The whole open boat through a hurricane force storm and the trek over South Georgia Island blows me away. He's the original "Yeah, well in my day..." Too bad he didn't live long enough to use that line on his grandchildren.

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Elephant Island was an inhospitable place, far from any shipping routes. Consequently, Shackleton decided to risk an open-boat journey to the distant South Georgia whaling stations, where he knew help was available. The strongest of the lifeboats, christened James Caird after the expedition's chief sponsor, was chosen for the trip. Ship's carpenter Harry McNish made various improvements, including raising the sides, strengthening the keel, building a makeshift deck of wood and canvas, and sealing the work with oil paint and seal blood. Shackleton chose five companions for the journey: Frank Worsley, Endurance's captain, who would be responsible for navigation; Tom Crean, who had "begged to go"; two strong sailors in John Vincent and Timothy McCarthy, and finally the carpenter McNish. Shackleton had clashed with McNish during the time when the party was stranded on the ice but, while he would not forgive the carpenter's earlier insubordination, Shackleton recognised his value for this particular job.

Shackleton refused to pack supplies for more than four weeks, knowing that if they did not reach South Georgia within that time, the boat and its crew would be lost. The James Caird was launched on 24 April 1916; during the next fifteen days it sailed through the waters of the southern ocean, at the mercy of the stormy seas, in constant peril of capsizing. On 8 May, due to Worsley's navigational skills, the cliffs of South Georgia came into sight, but hurricane-force winds prevented the possibility of landing. The party were forced to ride out the storm offshore, in constant danger of being dashed against the rocks. They would later learn that the same hurricane had sunk a 500-ton steamer bound for South Georgia from Buenos Aires. On the following day they were able, finally, to land on the unoccupied southern shore. After a period of rest and recuperation, rather than risk putting to sea again to reach the whaling stations on the northern coast, Shackleton decided to attempt a land crossing of the island. Although it is likely that Norwegian whalers had previously crossed at other points on ski, no one had attempted this particular route before. Leaving McNish, Vincent and McCarthy at the landing point on South Georgia, Shackleton travelled with Worsley and Crean over mountainous terrain for 36 hours to reach the whaling station at Stromness.

The next successful crossing of South Georgia was in October 1955, by the British explorer Duncan Carse, who travelled much of the same route as Shackleton's party. In tribute to their achievement he wrote: "I do not know how they did it, except that they had to—three men of the heroic age of Antarctic exploration with 50 feet of rope between them—and a carpenter's adze".

Rescue-

"All Safe, All Well", allegedly depicting Shackleton's return to Elephant Island, August 1916. However, a photograph of the departure of the James Caird in April was doctored by photographer Frank Hurley to create this image.

Shackleton immediately sent a boat to pick up the three men from the other side of South Georgia while he set to work to organise the rescue of the Elephant Island men. His first three attempts were foiled by sea ice, which blocked the approaches to the island. He appealed to the Chilean government, which offered the use of Yelcho, a small seagoing tug from its navy. Yelcho reached Elephant Island on 30 August, and Shackleton quickly evacuated all 22 men.

Yer up Phil.

BadNick · 06-25-2009, 10:04 AM

While reading stuff about Shackleton, I found this interesting map and time line of his "Endurance Voyage" where he ended up in Stomness whaling station

I also find it hard to believe that they managed to get photos of a lot of this stuff

As time wore on it became more and more evident that the ship was doomed. Endurance among ice pinnacles, February 1915

The long, long night the Endurance in the Antarctic winter darkness, trapped in the Weddell Sea, 27th August 1915

Endurance crushed to death by the icepacks of the Weddell Sea, the sinking ship, watched by the dogs, 1st November 1915.

Frank Wild (probably) by the wreckage of the Endurance before she slipped beneath the ice.

That the men kept going during this time was a tribute to Shackleton's leadership skills and his abilities and understanding of the importance of keeping up morale. The whole group were kept together in the monotonous and strenuous task of pulling laden lifeboats across broken up and ridged ice floes. It was now 14 months since the Endurance had become frozen into the ice and nearly 5 months since she had sank marooning them in a featureless icy wilderness. On April 12th Shackleton found that instead of making good progress westwards, they had actually traveled 30 miles to the east as a result of the drifting ice. They did however spot Elephant Island, part of the South Shetlands group and headed that way in seas that were by now largely open for navigation. They made landfall on Elephant Island being ecstatic to do so. It had been 497 days since they had last set foot on land.

Shackleton realised that in order to effect a rescue, he was going to have to travel to the nearest inhabited place which was the whaling station back on South Georgia, some 800 miles distant and across the most stormy stretch of ocean in the world. They expected to encounter waves that were 50 feet from tip to trough "Cape Horn Rollers" in a 22 foot long boat. Their navigation was by a sextant and a chronometer of unknown accuracy, they were dependent on sightings of the sun that could sometimes not be seen for weeks in the overcast weather so characteristic of these latitudes.

uncle phil · 06-25-2009, 11:39 AM

ok, where am i?

BadNick · 06-25-2009, 12:29 PM

uncle phil · 06-25-2009, 12:35 PM

US...

BadNick · 06-25-2009, 12:39 PM

east o' miss?

uncle phil · 06-25-2009, 01:04 PM

west o' miss...

Tully Mars · 06-25-2009, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNick

I also find it hard to believe that they managed to get photos of a lot of this stuff

There's even film footage too. I own this one but it's up north in storage-

Sometimes when I'm sailing (or even diving) when something goes wrong or the seas pick up I think about what Shackleton managed and think "Oh yeah, he'd really think this is a pickle. Probably laugh his ass off at me."

Of course now days most people won't walk to the store two blocks away. My house up north is a few miles away from where Lewis and Clark spent the winter in 1805-1806. They spent the winter there after walking pretty much 3/4 of the way across the continent. That spring they turned around and walked back.

So Phil, ya tough old bastard, are you north of 40?

Jetée · 06-25-2009, 01:24 PM

Pacific time?

uncle phil · 06-25-2009, 01:29 PM

tul - south of 40

jet - pac time

Jetée · 06-25-2009, 01:35 PM

Does your state's name end in a vowel?

Tully Mars · 06-25-2009, 01:52 PM

California?

uncle phil · 06-25-2009, 02:39 PM

jet - yes

tully - yes

Tully Mars · 06-25-2009, 02:53 PM

Looking for a town or city?

Jetée · 06-25-2009, 03:26 PM

If you are indeed in a specific city, park service, or K-Mart in California, can we find you in a county that begins with 'S'? (e.g. Shasta, San Joaquin, Sacramento counties, and all that jazz)

uncle phil · 06-25-2009, 03:38 PM

tully - no

jet - yes s

Jetée · 06-25-2009, 03:44 PM

edited: population under 800,000 residents?

Tully Mars · 06-25-2009, 04:05 PM

Park?

BadNick · 06-25-2009, 07:54 PM

within 50 miles of the coast?

Shell · 06-26-2009, 12:31 AM

...Southern California?
(south of, and including, San Louis Obispo county where Hearst Castle is)

...that's a sneaky way of throwing a guess in with my question

`

uncle phil · 06-26-2009, 02:55 AM

jet - yes

tully - not currently

nick - yes

shell - yes

Tully Mars · 06-26-2009, 03:02 AM

Geographical feature?

uncle phil · 06-26-2009, 03:23 AM

no...

Tully Mars · 06-26-2009, 03:36 AM

Historical building?

uncle phil · 06-26-2009, 03:40 AM

no...

Tully Mars · 06-26-2009, 03:42 AM

Military base?

Shell · 06-26-2009, 03:52 AM

...san diego county?

uncle phil · 06-26-2009, 04:32 AM

tully - no

shell - no

06-24-2009, 06:55 PM	#6681 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	No. Be ernest follow your trek and you'll find me. __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

06-24-2009, 07:26 PM	#6683 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	No, think you missed the clue of being ernest. __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

06-24-2009, 07:38 PM	#6684 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	I saw that clue but haven't figured it out yet. I'm figuring. ---------- Post added at 11:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:29 PM ---------- ok, I figured you might be where Ernest Shackleton is buried, on South Georgia Island. Xplore Expeditions : : galerie of photos of antarctica, tierra del fuego, cap horn, chile south georgia, falklands Last edited by BadNick; 06-24-2009 at 07:41 PM..

06-25-2009, 02:27 AM	#6685 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	isla navarino? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

06-25-2009, 03:54 AM	#6687 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	grytviken? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

06-24-2009, 07:16 PM	#6682 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	might you be on Gough Island aka Diego Alvarez

06-25-2009, 04:25 AM	#6689 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	elephant island? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

06-25-2009, 04:35 AM	#6690 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	No I'm on South Georgia Island, just not the location you guys keep coming up with. I'm in a location Shackleton just walked into one day. Much to the surprise of the station manager. __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

06-25-2009, 08:10 AM	#6691 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	stromness? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

06-25-2009, 08:35 AM	#6692 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	damn, I was expecting to check in today and see that I won with my guess of his burial site. Anyway, I like that your location is less obvious than that, Tul. So reading quite a bit about Shackleton, I think unc is most likely correct since E.S. apparently walked into the whaling station there and surprised everybody.

06-25-2009, 10:04 AM	#6694 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	While reading stuff about Shackleton, I found this interesting map and time line of his "Endurance Voyage" where he ended up in Stomness whaling station I also find it hard to believe that they managed to get photos of a lot of this stuff As time wore on it became more and more evident that the ship was doomed. Endurance among ice pinnacles, February 1915 The long, long night the Endurance in the Antarctic winter darkness, trapped in the Weddell Sea, 27th August 1915 Endurance crushed to death by the icepacks of the Weddell Sea, the sinking ship, watched by the dogs, 1st November 1915. Frank Wild (probably) by the wreckage of the Endurance before she slipped beneath the ice. That the men kept going during this time was a tribute to Shackleton's leadership skills and his abilities and understanding of the importance of keeping up morale. The whole group were kept together in the monotonous and strenuous task of pulling laden lifeboats across broken up and ridged ice floes. It was now 14 months since the Endurance had become frozen into the ice and nearly 5 months since she had sank marooning them in a featureless icy wilderness. On April 12th Shackleton found that instead of making good progress westwards, they had actually traveled 30 miles to the east as a result of the drifting ice. They did however spot Elephant Island, part of the South Shetlands group and headed that way in seas that were by now largely open for navigation. They made landfall on Elephant Island being ecstatic to do so. It had been 497 days since they had last set foot on land. Shackleton realised that in order to effect a rescue, he was going to have to travel to the nearest inhabited place which was the whaling station back on South Georgia, some 800 miles distant and across the most stormy stretch of ocean in the world. They expected to encounter waves that were 50 feet from tip to trough "Cape Horn Rollers" in a 22 foot long boat. Their navigation was by a sextant and a chronometer of unknown accuracy, they were dependent on sightings of the sun that could sometimes not be seen for weeks in the overcast weather so characteristic of these latitudes. Last edited by BadNick; 06-25-2009 at 10:16 AM..

06-25-2009, 11:39 AM	#6695 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	ok, where am i? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

06-25-2009, 12:29 PM	#6696 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	US?

06-25-2009, 12:35 PM	#6697 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	US... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

06-25-2009, 12:39 PM	#6698 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	east o' miss?

06-25-2009, 01:24 PM	#6701 (permalink)
Jetée The Reforms Location: Rarely, if ever, here or there, but always in transition	Pacific time? __________________ As human beings, our greatness lies not so much in being able to remake the world (that is the myth of the Atomic Age) as in being able to remake ourselves. —Mohandas K. Gandhi

06-25-2009, 01:35 PM	#6703 (permalink)
Jetée The Reforms Location: Rarely, if ever, here or there, but always in transition	Does your state's name end in a vowel? __________________ As human beings, our greatness lies not so much in being able to remake the world (that is the myth of the Atomic Age) as in being able to remake ourselves. —Mohandas K. Gandhi

06-25-2009, 01:04 PM	#6699 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	west o' miss... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

06-25-2009, 01:29 PM	#6702 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	tul - south of 40 jet - pac time __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

06-25-2009, 01:52 PM	#6704 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	California? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

06-25-2009, 02:39 PM	#6705 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	jet - yes tully - yes __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

06-25-2009, 02:53 PM	#6706 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Looking for a town or city? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

06-25-2009, 03:26 PM	#6707 (permalink)
Jetée The Reforms Location: Rarely, if ever, here or there, but always in transition	If you are indeed in a specific city, park service, or K-Mart in California, can we find you in a county that begins with 'S'? (e.g. Shasta, San Joaquin, Sacramento counties, and all that jazz) __________________ As human beings, our greatness lies not so much in being able to remake the world (that is the myth of the Atomic Age) as in being able to remake ourselves. —Mohandas K. Gandhi

06-25-2009, 03:38 PM	#6708 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	tully - no jet - yes s __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

06-25-2009, 03:44 PM	#6709 (permalink)
Jetée The Reforms Location: Rarely, if ever, here or there, but always in transition	edited: population under 800,000 residents? __________________ As human beings, our greatness lies not so much in being able to remake the world (that is the myth of the Atomic Age) as in being able to remake ourselves. —Mohandas K. Gandhi

06-25-2009, 04:05 PM	#6710 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Park? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

06-25-2009, 07:54 PM	#6711 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	within 50 miles of the coast?

06-26-2009, 12:31 AM	#6712 (permalink)
Shell Cheers Location: Eastcoast USA	...Southern California? (south of, and including, San Louis Obispo county where Hearst Castle is) ...that's a sneaky way of throwing a guess in with my question ` __________________ ..."Say what you think. Those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind" ~ Dr. Seuss Last edited by Shell; 06-26-2009 at 12:42 AM..

06-26-2009, 02:55 AM	#6713 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	jet - yes tully - not currently nick - yes shell - yes __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

06-26-2009, 03:02 AM	#6714 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Geographical feature? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

06-26-2009, 03:23 AM	#6715 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	no... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

06-26-2009, 03:36 AM	#6716 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Historical building? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

06-26-2009, 03:40 AM	#6717 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	no... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

06-26-2009, 03:42 AM	#6718 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Military base? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

06-26-2009, 03:52 AM	#6719 (permalink)
Shell Cheers Location: Eastcoast USA	...san diego county? __________________ ..."Say what you think. Those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind" ~ Dr. Seuss

06-26-2009, 04:32 AM	#6720 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	tully - no shell - no __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.