Wait. I missed it. When did Kates mom show up?

She was the waitress in the diner where Sawyer and his partner were meeting.

I never caught that. Brilliant!

What may happen when the clock hits 0 is that communication in the hatch is opened and they can hear what the others are saying to each other via radios. The looped message from the French women is just a distraction so people can only pick that signal up every 108 minutes.

oh man... i just caught last weeks episode... some crazy stuff... i dont think sawyer will stay in power that long,definently an interesting turn of events.


school blocked bittorrent, makes it hard to download the eps since i have class during the tv airing... ... ... anyone help with that? send a pm ;)

Spoiler: So the numbers finally came up. From the best I could tell, they were egyptian hieroglyphics. The first visible letter (which was in the 3rd space) looked most like a sideways "R". http://www.egyptologyonline.com/HG_r.gif

Second one (4th space) looked like an "A". http://www.egyptologyonline.com/HG_a.gif

And third one (5th space) was tricky, and could either be an "F" http://www.egyptologyonline.com/HG_f.gif or an "TCH/DJ". http://www.egyptologyonline.com/HG_j.gif

Also, the preview for the upcoming episode showed a third hatch, this time with the staff of mercury in the dharma symbol. Which brings it to a swan, an arrow, and the staff of mercury.

I don't have any theories or anything, just trying to sort some facts out.

You were pretty good at catching all those symbols.

Another intense episode, but we received more information about Sayid and his ways as a "torturer".

The hatch did not implode, the island did not explode, and no communication from the outside world and the crazy balloonist might be an other.

I like how Sayid concluded with Charlie about how everyone forgot the ways of how insane and ruthless the others can really be.

loved the episode, the number countdown freaked me out a bit also, another long week of waiting until the next episode.

Sweet frustration!

We get more of Sayeed's backstory (next to Eko, he is my favourite) and discover how he came to be a tourturer. Still plenty there to dig up.

My wife was marking her grade six classes papers while watching the episode. As the countdown flickered and the hieroglyphs appeared she looked into her lap and lo, she was just in the middle of marking some hieroglyphs from a school project she assigned. The syncronicity wierded her out.

When it reached zero, did anyone else hear the whine of machinery starting up and then shut off when Locke pressed enter?

The final scene with Sayeed and Charlie... Sayeed knows what Charlie did.

I most definitely did. So, at least we kind of know the countdown isn't just busy work. It was obviously fixing to do something, right?

Sayid, is perhaps my favorite character on the show. Locke is interesting, Hurley is funny and Sawyer quite a guy, but Sayid....just such a wonderful character.

What a great way to end the episode on the beach.
"So, tell me Charlie....have you forgotten?"

Here's a screenshot of those symbols. Click it to make it larger.
http://img35.imagevenue.com/loc179/th_52398_symbols.jpg

You can almost make out the final symbol. Maybe someone with better photoshop skills than I can take a look at it.

that guy is a "other" that evil look on his face when jack took sayid away just gave it away...i want sayid to go back and find out some info

According to my the TV listings, next week they are rerunning the 2-hour Pilot episode, 2 weeks until the next new episode.

When Sayid asked Charlie "Have you forgotten", what is his actual meaning behind those words?

I assumed this was in reference to Charlie’s own capture when he went after Clair when she was abducted by the traitor-in-their-midst - and his subsequent hanging and close-call resuscitation.

Explain how you connected Sayid's and Charlies conversation with Sayid knowing what Charlie did?

just now caught it... i really gotta figure out a faster way to get the episodes...

good stuff... i immediatly recognized the symbols as egyptian... when I was a kid I was really into egypt stuff...

It's more of a gut feeling. It's just the way that Sayid asked the question and the fact that Sayid is a very observant man. Of course, Sayid may have meant something else entirely and the question was put there by the writers to make Charlie reflect (more intensely) on what he did to Sun.

Got this from another forum I visit ( which was taken from yet another forum) and is quite interesting....


http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ieroglyphs.jpg


Found this on the fark.com thread, of all places. They're discussing what the hieroglyphics mean.

Quote:
"caus." means causative, ie a commanding word. hence the translation is "Die" as in "die, you bastard".

The person who posted this claims to have scanned it out of her Middle Egyptian dictionary, and further evidence appears to indicate that this is indeed the case.

Also, the 'alien' symbol we saw means "young child".



From the same site:
Also, I realized something during the episode but forgot to mention at the end: Dorothy's last name in "The Wizard of Oz" is Gale, and her uncle's name is Henry. Not only that, but Dorothy attempted to escape Oz by balloon.

can't seem to get the pic to post.

Anyway, interesting stuff

I can't believe I still watch this show. Almost every time I get pissed off with the amount of questions it raising while answering very few.

I thought tonight's episode was good, gave a little bit of insight, but nothing groundbreaking. The Others either are.. or believe they will be.. infected (virus from one of the Dharma compounds?), and are using some vaccine that seems to be in short supply. This was the same stuff Desmond injected himself with when he woke up, I assume.

I dunno, lots of possibilities, no real direct clue. Lost does this to me almost every week.. and there's no end in sight.

I actually really liked this episode.

I liked how the flashback of the episode was back to a time on the island, instead of back to something before the crash. A fresh idea there. And they made good use of Claire's amnesia... instead of just writing it off, they came back and did something interesting with it.

And I thought the theatrical materials/clothing was a great twist. So being the "others" is all just an act? Didn't see that coming. At first I assumed they exiled themselves from the compound (who knows why), forcing them to live in the jungle, which would explain their appearance. But now we see they're dressing themselves up like that intentionally... so were they really forced to leave that facility? Or did they leave it behind for it to be found?

And the guy that Ethan was talking to outside of Claire's room: was that Zeke sans beard?

My biggest dislike was the very end, with the guy they have imprisoned in the hatch pissing Locke off. It made no sense. What he said to Locke didn't apply to anything, then Locke overreacts.... I didn't follow it.

I liked this episode a lot, except for the ending where the prisoner is trying to spur dissension by appealing Locke's ego. This is the sort of thing Lock is too smart for, and personally, a power struggle for leadership storyline is a dull one for me.

Has anyone read the Brothers Karamozof? How could you apply its themes to the show and its characters?

Also, did anyone get a screencap of the drug label as it was being pulled out of the fridge?

I thought this was one of the best episodes of the season.

I agree that the theatrical costumes was a good twist. And yes, that was Zeke sans beard that Ethan was talking to.

However, I don't understand what was wrong with Claire in the flashback. Was she drugged or something to not remember that she had been kidnapped? And why was she so willing so just hang around without putting up any kind of fight - and then why was she willing to give up her child? I know she wanted to put the baby up for adoption in Los Angeles, but I don't think that's a strong enough reason to give her baby up to the people who kidnapped her.

I think it's safe to assume that the girl who helped Claire escape is Rousseau's daughter. That will be an interesting storyline to explore. After the episode where John, Jack and Sawyer were looking for Michael -- and Kate was being held captive by the Others -- someone mentioned that when Zeke said "Alex" they might be referring to Rousseau's daughter. Maybe now that can be explored a little more.

I wasn't sure what to make of that either. I agree that Locke is too smart to be lead along, as the last poster pointed out. I thought then that maybe Locke was angry because he realized what the prisoner was trying to do and that confirmed that he was an Other. But then, in the preview for next week's episode, we see that Locke conspires with Anna-Lucia to get the prisoner out of the hatch. So now I'm not sure what to make of it...

-Tamerlain

Yea, I think it's pretty clear that Claire was drugged. Explains why she was so.... (word escaping me....) willing to do what she was told. I guess it also explains why she had no memory of any of it.

I agree that this was one of the best episodes of the season so far.

The whole Locke thing at the end... I now no longer doubt that Gale is an Other (also that his name is the same as the guy from the Wizard of OZ). He was playing with Locke.

I am puzzled by Locke's reaction as well.

1) This the first crack in his heretofore zen exterior.
2) He knows the door is thin and that Gale will hear his outburst. He is playing Gale by giving Gale what he expects to hear. Locke is too clever to fall for those types of tricks again (i.e. his Father).


I like the latter.

Good call on #2 Charlatan.

I missed the episode where they captured Gale, but assumed he was an Other based on his clothing. It looks as artificially broken down as the costume found by Kate in the locker.

a great episode this week, i think they are starting to answer alot of questions, a bit of a twist with the others clothing in the hatch tho, they must still use that hatch often then?
makes me think demond is with them now for some reason, he cant have just dissapeared..

Great episode. Raises more questions, than answers.
The Others have to have a way off the island. They have to replenish supplies from some where.
Can you tell me that the "leader" of the Others keeps a huge quantity of spirit gum around? Ha! :D

Also, I wonder who the real leader of the Others is, if it isn't Fakebeard.

Double also-- Who else was turning the volume down just about every time Clare was screaming? That girl is starting to annoy me.

Why did Mr Eko cut off part of his beard after telling Gale of his story?

My assumption was that he had two little clumps of hair that represented the two men he killed.

Maybe he's going to play some mind games of his own...Let him go and follow him to where ever he goes.

Screen shot of the drug Ethan injected into Claire....common consensus seems to be RX-1 is simply a prenatal vitamin. I browsed around on a few medical sites and it seems to be "designed to reduce gastric upset by releasing iron over an extended period of time." I should mention that that little bit there refers to pills taken by the mother. I couldn't find anything concerning babies still in the womb.

I wish I could make out more...Kind of looks like "CND" or "GND" after rx-1, but I can't be sure....again, maybe someone with some photoshopping skills can make it clearer...

CLICK ON ME...
http://img44.imagevenue.com/loc15/th...Drugs_copy.jpg

Yeah, perhaps that's it. Whatever happens, it will be interesting.

I was surprised she was getting injections directly into her womb. I admit that I don't know too much about prenatal care, but it does strike me as odd that an injection would be given right into the womb.

-Tamerlain

Perhaps iron and magnetism have something to do with it... The iron might allow for combat with the theorized nanoprobes or it might make the child more suseptable to mind control (via some as yet unexplained electromagnetic thingy).

Not sure.

i loved this episode

so the others may in fact be living the "good life" on the island. its a good twist that they were dresed up...its like they are experimenting on the losties

i wonder if we have seen "mr. firendly" without the beard before

http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/9...gale1fn2qf.jpg
this is a interesting pic it seems gale was with the doctors :eek:

That's amazing Blar, and he looks hot in that little 'off the shoulder' number too. ;)

wow Blar that is a good observation. I swear everyone in this thread has eyes sharper than an eagle. With all the clues we may break down the entire season before the writers even finish the scripts :).

i finally downloaded last week's episode and viewed it. So now the "others" aren't really just grimy looking people...its all make up. What if dharma organization owned Oceanic Air....

Also, at the end of last week's episode i thought they were going to show Gale's face after he heard Locke throw all the dishes on the floor....like a little smirk to show that its all part of his plan

Blar... that's cool.

That would have been too much of a tip off. Better to leave it somewhat ambiguous.

I'm getting really frustrated by the fact that when they venture into the jungle and find something, they come back and don't tell anyone about it. If they do tell someone, it's not until the story absolutely needs it.

Spoiler: Example: Claire and Kate finding the site that the Others were holding Claire before she gave birth.

Also; Rousseau has a lot of useful information. They should listen to her, even if she's crazy sometimes. And Locke > Jack.

I believe tonight's episode is a new one...

I thought it was a worthless episode, if I'd have skipped to the last minute I'd have been happy.

Good news is the next episode looks exciting.

This week's episode acted as a good set-up for next week's, I think.

Plus Sun's pregnancy gave a nice, positive focus for the episode -- that was a nice change.

-Tamerlain